"The United States of America is in need of a strong third political party"

[White 6]

Yep.
Clinton and Bush after him were both my fault
for voting for Ross Perot in 1992 and Ralph Nader in 2000.

I will never understand going to a game and rooting for a team that is not playing.

I will never understand thinking it is just a game. We do not need a third party. Those who support that position are just disillusioned with the two presently showing their face. Two main parties are enough and always have been. What we need is more patriotic honesty and integrity in the leadership in place in both parties. We need you bastards to work together to find and implement long term solutions for the country as you used to, not your little myopic tribes. Your "game" is the problem, not the people you have select as the opposing "team", and certainly not any different race or economic strata. The last 3 years has not been about the body politic involved in what is best for the country. It has been a junior high food fight, wrecking the cafeteria, without care of who or what is destroyed, and basically threatening to burn down the whole damn school if the little bastards don't get 100% of their way today. Getting 100% today ain't the way it works. To start we need to get rid of clown-faced, fight huckster, get some more professional minded adults in there and go back to doing the job of governance for the whole country, you lazy political fucks.

It is difficult to do these things when the system is rigged. When the TV mouthpieces are lying to you 24 hours a day. This morning Mika of Morning Joe was trying not to smile on a propaganda comment by one of the panelists. Its just bullshit day after day after day. The extermination of these people would be a good start. They are now putting fear into people over the Coronavirus. We do not need that.

No. We do not. Very few public or private utterances of Trump are worth supporting. I really liked his press conference yesterday. He may not have given accurate number (dividing them between those that brought it back before he correctly locked down incoming, and those he brought back, quarantined in a planned approach) but his plan has the best chance of working. He listened to his experts. He presented a professional management team approach, not based on political sycophants. I generally think he sucks, (as you probably are aware), but when he is right, he's right. He presented in a professional manor. Took questions too long. You never know what will come out of his mouth if he takes question very long. But, he pulled it off, as if he did it for a living. Nice job.

We are in this position in our history because of men and women who have given us measured responses with disastrous results. So if you believe Trump not a man who gives those types of responses, that is your belief. He is what he is. He also has his own inner circle who keeps him rooted whether he changes his mind or not. We are not at war. And we were supposed to be destroyed as soon as he took office. Our economy is still humming along. and we were supposed to be in a massive depression as soon as he took office. These are just two of the armegeddon type events that were supposed to happen just due to him being elected. The shills and the propagandists giving time in the media to promote things like this need to be muted. Teh first amendment is not about spouting falsehoods using propaganda as a crutch.

I never knew or suspected he would tank the economy when he came in or that we would be destroyed upon his entering office. Maybe I skated, just doing my job, paying my way and looking out for my family's long term interests. I do not and never have or will support anyone of such horrible character, lack of self control, and intentionally nationally, unabashedly divisive. He isn't smart enough for top down rule and never has been, even in his private enterprises. His big projects have always been big failures. I expected nothing more or less from him in office. Overall he is bad for the country and does not believe in government, generally and conceitedly does not make use of or care about other opinions or ideas if he cannot brand it a his own brilliance. He ain't brilliant. I never saw a long term effective management team composed of a dumb ass surrounded by sycophants who openly sounded like he hated half or more of the stake holder or stock holders.

 

[M14 Shooter]

M'kay.. how do we create a "strong third party"?

 

[the other mike]

OP Title: "The United States of America is in need of a strong third political party"
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The last time that happened we ended up with the Clinton Cabal for 8 years.

Yep.
Clinton and Bush after him were both my fault
for voting for Ross Perot in 1992 and Ralph Nader in 2000.

I will never understand going to a game and rooting for a team that is not playing.

Being patriotic is not a game to some of us who want the best for this country.

Bush and Clinton ruined this country.

 

[Billiejeens]

OP Title: "The United States of America is in need of a strong third political party"
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The last time that happened we ended up with the Clinton Cabal for 8 years.

Yep.
Clinton and Bush after him were both my fault
for voting for Ross Perot in 1992 and Ralph Nader in 2000.

I will never understand going to a game and rooting for a team that is not playing.

Being patriotic is not a game to some of us who want the best for this country.

Bush and Clinton ruined this country.

So choosing to not be involved - helps how?

 

[the other mike]

So choosing to not be involved - helps how?

I've been spreading the truth about the Bush's and Clinton's for decades.
How is that not being involved ?

 

[the other mike]

 

[Billiejeens]

I laugh

 

[Billiejeens]

So choosing to not be involved - helps how?

I've been spreading the truth about the Bush's and Clinton's for decades.
How is that not being involved ?

Ron Paul

One of the biggest frauds in USA Politics.

 

[the other mike]

I laugh

It's borderline treasonous, laughing about the shit Bill and Hill have pulled off..

Ron Paul

One of the biggest frauds in USA Politics.

You probably don't want to hear what my opinion is
of people like you who attack the honest ones like Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, Tulsi Gabbard, Jesse Ventura.....

I trust honest kooks over lying gooks all the time.

 

[HappyJoy]

The problem with most Americans is they only want a third party system for president. They don't do anything in between those 4 years to help create a third party. They mostly don't care about electing local or state politicians from third parties to help them be more viable on the national stage. They do absolutely nothing about creating a voting system that would be beneficial for third parties and negate some of the negatives about having a third party such as the party with the minority point of view would now have a better chance of winning since the other two parties which may be more popular would split the vote.

I have zero respect for anyone who bitches about a lack of choice when voting for president and literally did nothing to change the system. Don't like a 2 party system, tough shit you're not going to do anything about it anyway.

 

[the other mike]

I laugh

The problem with most Americans is they only want a third party system for president. They don't do anything in between those 4 years to help create a third party. They mostly don't care about electing local or state politicians from third parties to help them be more viable on the national stage. They do absolutely nothing about creating a voting system that would be beneficial for third parties and negate some of the negatives about having a third party such as the party with the minority point of view would now have a better chance of winning since the other two parties which may be more popular would split the vote.

I have zero respect for anyone who bitches about a lack of choice when voting for president and literally did nothing to change the system. Don't like a 2 party system, tough shit you're not going to do anything about it anyway.

Every Democrat sounds like a broken record* when it comes to this subject.


Green Party of Colorado

For the millennials...
* Broken record ;
noun

1. used, especially in similes, to refer to a person's constant and annoying repetition of a particular statement or opinion.
   "at the risk of sounding like a broken record, let me repeat: it will be difficult to do well without attending classes regularly"

 

[HappyJoy]

I laugh

The problem with most Americans is they only want a third party system for president. They don't do anything in between those 4 years to help create a third party. They mostly don't care about electing local or state politicians from third parties to help them be more viable on the national stage. They do absolutely nothing about creating a voting system that would be beneficial for third parties and negate some of the negatives about having a third party such as the party with the minority point of view would now have a better chance of winning since the other two parties which may be more popular would split the vote.

I have zero respect for anyone who bitches about a lack of choice when voting for president and literally did nothing to change the system. Don't like a 2 party system, tough shit you're not going to do anything about it anyway.

Every Democrat sounds like a broken record* when it comes to this subject.


Green Party of Colorado

For the millennials...
* Broken record ;
noun

1. used, especially in similes, to refer to a person's constant and annoying repetition of a particular statement or opinion.
   "at the risk of sounding like a broken record, let me repeat: it will be difficult to do well without attending classes regularly"

How is that? I see third party wannabes on all sides.

 

[the other mike]

How is that? I see third party wannabes on all sides.

Name one person who has publicly mentioned 'third party' at all
recently and I'll give you one guess. Give up already ?

 

[SAYIT]

I agree. And when the Dimsocialist Party screws Commie Bernie again he should run on the Communist Party ticket and take all his moron minions with him.

Or the "progressives" should take their "new & improved" Democrat Socialist Party and run to the left while some big-money Dem centrist bankrolls a new party. Current Dem "leadership" can scream "big tent" and "party unity" all they like but no far-lefty can energize the centrists and vice versa. The divide is much too wide.

 

[flacaltenn]

That was Bernie Sanders in 1988, but it's still true today.
Sadly not much has changed in that respect.

Presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders speaks with C-SPAN in 1988 while mayor of Burlington, Vermont. The interview reveals more of Sanders' man-of-the people worldview and political positions, and how little those positions have changed over his 30+ year political career.

1988


2019

Not sure there isn't a SIMPLER BETTER solution.. There's NOTHING about our govt or Constitution that DEPENDS on party.. 2 parties in opposition so long have WARPED our government to THEIR needs...

It's EASIER to get on ballots as Independents in most states than as a party supported candidate.. And if you take from the ample supply of well known, and qualified people that CAN do the job and who the public recognizes, you have an UNLIMITED field of better choices..

If you took a "retiring" Congress critter and they RAN as Independent, they would IMMEDIATELY appear smarter, more likeable and more capable than when they were "just a prop" for a party... The party bosses RUN Congress and they STIFLE free and open discussion.. So even just a DOZEN TRUE Independents would change the ENTIRE process in Washington and make the "media interface" much more fair...

 

[Billiejeens]

That was Bernie Sanders in 1988, but it's still true today.
Sadly not much has changed in that respect.

Presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders speaks with C-SPAN in 1988 while mayor of Burlington, Vermont. The interview reveals more of Sanders' man-of-the people worldview and political positions, and how little those positions have changed over his 30+ year political career.

1988


2019

Not sure there isn't a SIMPLER BETTER solution.. There's NOTHING about our govt or Constitution that DEPENDS on party.. 2 parties in opposition so long have WARPED our government to THEIR needs...

It's EASIER to get on ballots as Independents in most states than as a party supported candidate.. And if you take from the ample supply of well known, and qualified people that CAN do the job and who the public recognizes, you have an UNLIMITED field of better choices..

If you took a "retiring" Congress critter and they RAN as Independent, they would IMMEDIATELY appear smarter, more likeable and more capable than when they were "just a prop" for a party... The party bosses RUN Congress and they STIFLE free and open discussion.. So even just a DOZEN TRUE Independents would change the ENTIRE process in Washington and make the "media interface" much more fair...

Why would leaving our political system, make a candidate seem smarter, more likable and capable?

 

[the other mike]

Not sure there isn't a SIMPLER BETTER solution.. There's NOTHING about our govt or Constitution that DEPENDS on party.. 2 parties in opposition so long have WARPED our government to THEIR needs...

It's EASIER to get on ballots as Independents in most states than as a party supported candidate.. And if you take from the ample supply of well known, and qualified people that CAN do the job and who the public recognizes, you have an UNLIMITED field of better choices..

If you took a "retiring" Congress critter and they RAN as Independent, they would IMMEDIATELY appear smarter, more likeable and more capable than when they were "just a prop" for a party... The party bosses RUN Congress and they STIFLE free and open discussion.. So even just a DOZEN TRUE Independents would change the ENTIRE process in Washington and make the "media interface" much more fair...

Fair enough.
I think Bernie missed the best opportunity in 2016 by
endorsing Hillary Clinton. Although I personally believe that was not so much a reflection on his character, but a glaring peek into how powerful those in charge are...

A picture can say a thousand words.

 

[SAYIT]

That's been true for a long time, at least insofar as political parties have clout. But the Duopoly is entrenched and bends over backward to make sure it stays entrenched, right down to controlling the Presidential debates which if anyone doesn't know are under the strict control of the Demoplican-Republicrat Party -- which means no questions, and no candidates, will show up in them without the approval of the Duopoly.

How much racketeering is THAT.

And their most useful tool in keeping any third party shut out is the Electoral College with its WTA scheme. That's why the vast majority of us vote not FOR one candidate but to BLOCK another, it's why we've been given the perpetual choice of "Bad" or "Worse". In 2016 three states famously swung the outcome, Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. NONE of those states voted in the majority for the candidate that got ALL of their electoral votes. And that's a racket.

Gore Vidal famously noted, "as for a third party, we tried that in 1972, the People's Party. Unfortunately we hadn't remembered that in order to have a third party you must first have two other parties". We haven't had that for over a century.

Don't you think if Bernie Sanders, Tulsi Gabbard, Jill Stein, Gary Johnson and others got together and joined forces that they would be immediately taken seriously ?

I support Trump right now....he's taking on the shadow government like no other president has in a very long time. With our back, he would work for us, not those puppet masters pulling his strings now. When the truth comes out in the Durham indictments people will see.

Nice shirt. Moderates need a party.

Given the mess the "progressives" have made of the Dem Party, the less-irrational lefties certainly need a viable option.

https://www.usnews.com/news/electio...t-vote-for-a-socialist-presidential-candidate

 

[the other mike]

Given the mess the "progressives" have made of the Dem Party, the less-irrational lefties certainly need a viable option.

https://www.usnews.com/news/electio...t-vote-for-a-socialist-presidential-candidate

That's just confusing and divisive language, and those far -left socialists are not true progressives. The 2 big parties hijacked these words liberal, progressive, conservative to suit their own self-interests when it's convenient.

 

[the other mike]

We actually have a third party in Donald Trump
if we can just get everyone onboard.

The only thing is, Donald Trump needs our help. He didn't even know who Frederick Douglas was before he got in the White House. I believe he said " That Fredereck Douglas...he's a great man." or something to that effect,...As if he was running for governor of Missouri.,