The Unconstitutional Presidency

[TemplarKormac]

Do you have any evidence Obama is going to enact an immigration bill, a budget, or lunge for more borrowing without Congress?

Didn't think so.

That's your problem. You rarely think so. Have a look:

“We’re not just going to be waiting for legislation in order to make sure that we’re providing Americans the kind of help they need. I’ve got a pen and I’ve got a phone ... And I can use that pen to sign executive orders and take executive actions and administrative actions that move the ball forward in helping to make sure our kids are getting the best education possible, making sure that our businesses are getting the kind of support and help they need to grow and advance, to make sure that people are getting the skills that they need to get those jobs that our businesses are creating.”

-President Barack Obama, January 14, 2014

Please bold and magnify the parts about enacting an immigration bill, a budget, and lunging for more borrowing without Congress for me, would you? I can't seem to find them.

Read again. In no certain terms he wants to "advance the mission." I have all ideas what that "mission" is.

 

[NYcarbineer]

9. ....all the big items on his agenda — including, say, an immigration bill, a budget, a lunge for more borrowing — do require Congressional action. Even the big items already enacted — Obamacare, intelligence gathering — are awaiting review by the Supreme Court.

Obamacare is awaiting review by the Supreme Court?

"U.S. Supreme Court asked by Priests for Life to hear Obamacare challenge"
U.S. Supreme Court asked by Priests for Life to hear Obamacare challenge | SILive.com


"Supreme Court May Review Obamacare Contraception Mandate"
Supreme Court May Review Obamacare Contraception Mandate - ABC News


"Supreme Court Issues Stay in Obamacare Birth-Control Case"
Supreme Court Issues Stay in Obamacare Birth-Control Case - NationalJournal.com

Pass the news on to Jakal.

So?

Suddenly you're FOR unelected judges tyrannically overruling the will of the People and their elected representatives?

lol, how fickle you rightwingers are.

 

[TemplarKormac]

9. ....all the big items on his agenda — including, say, an immigration bill, a budget, a lunge for more borrowing — do require Congressional action. Even the big items already enacted — Obamacare, intelligence gathering — are awaiting review by the Supreme Court.

Do you have any evidence Obama is going to enact an immigration bill, a budget, or lunge for more borrowing without Congress?

Didn't think so.

That's your problem. You rarely think so. Have a look:

“We’re not just going to be waiting for legislation in order to make sure that we’re providing Americans the kind of help they need. I’ve got a pen and I’ve got a phone ... And I can use that pen to sign executive orders and take executive actions and administrative actions that move the ball forward in helping to make sure our kids are getting the best education possible, making sure that our businesses are getting the kind of support and help they need to grow and advance, to make sure that people are getting the skills that they need to get those jobs that our businesses are creating. One of the things that I’m going to be talking to my Cabinet about is how do we use all the tools available to us, not just legislation, in order to advance a mission that I think unifies all Americans. ... The belief that everybody’s got to take responsibility, everybody’s got to work hard, but if you do, that you can support a family and meet the kinds of obligations that you have to yourself and your family, but also to your communities and your neighbors."

-President Barack Obama, January 14, 2014

As ordered.

 

[g5000]

"I am going to be working with Congress where I can to accomplish this, but I am also going to act on my own if Congress is deadlocked. I've got a pen to take executive actions where Congress won't, and I've got a telephone to rally folks around the country on this mission."

-President Barack Obama.

Oh my God! He's going to use the phone to rally folks! I told you he was HITLER!!!

 

[TemplarKormac]

"I am going to be working with Congress where I can to accomplish this, but I am also going to act on my own if Congress is deadlocked. I've got a pen to take executive actions where Congress won't, and I've got a telephone to rally folks around the country on this mission."

-President Barack Obama.

Oh my God! He's going to use the phone to rally folks! I told you he was HITLER!!!

Godwin thanks you for your contribution.

Godwin's Law is now in effect.

 

[g5000]

I suggest you rubes study what powers a President has with Executive Orders. But most particulary study what past Presidents have accomplished with them before you continue to make incredible fools of yourselves.

 

[NYcarbineer]

You called Reagan a "rapist"

Argument invalid.

The investigation absolved Reagan of any wrongdoing. I've read the Tower Commission report more than once.

Well no it didn't.

People went to jail for that. And Ronnie had to apologize.

And as to Reagan being a rapist?

Gipper the Ripper?

Reagan????"....The press ridiculed this...." (from your link)

Just one more attempt by low-lives like you to support the rapist Clinton, whose whole record is replete with similar behavior.


Clinton Misogyny - Sex
Juanita Broaddrick (AR)- rape
Eileen Wellstone (Oxford) - rape
Elizabeth Ward Gracen - rape - quid pro quo, post incident intimidation
Regina Hopper Blakely - "forced himself on her, biting, bruising her"
Kathleen Willey (WH) - sexual assault, intimidations, threats
Sandra Allen James (DC) - sexual assault
22 Year Old 1972 (Yale) - sexual assault
Kathy Bradshaw (AK) - sexual assault
Cristy Zercher - unwelcomed sexual advance, intimidations
Paula Jones (AR) - unwelcomed sexual advance, exposure, bordering on sexual assault
Carolyn Moffet -unwelcomed sexual advance, exposure, bordering on sexual assault
1974 student at University of Arkansas - unwelcomed physical contact
1978-1980 - seven complaints per Arkansas state troopers
Monica Lewinsky - quid pro quo, post incident character assault
Gennifer Flowers - quid pro quo, post incident character assault
Dolly Kyle Browning - post incident character assault
Sally Perdue - post incident threats
Betty Dalton - rebuffed his advances, married to one of his supporters
Denise Reeder - apologetic note scanned
CLINTON'S ROGUES GALLERY:

Clinton Misogyny - Other
Linda Tripp - coerce, intimidate, deny - Bob Bennett calls her a liar, release her job application, transfer her.
Julia Hiatt-Steele - Willey's friend and neighbor - used the machine to change her story.
Hillary Rodham Clinton - used as a cover humiliated
Chelsea Clinton - ignored
Betty Currie - used as cover and enabler
Donna Shalala - used as cover, used as whipping post in Cabinet meeting
Madeline Albright - used as cover
Secret Service - female agent complaints
Kathy Ferguson – unwelcome advances

Clinton as a Ladies' Man?
Marsha Scott - claimed an affair
Connie Hamzy - claimed sex
Bobbie Ann Williams - claimed paid sex, paternity

Following are names of ladies rumored to have had sexual relations with Bill Clinton. We of course do not have information to support these rumors and do not intend the reader to think that we believe any of them to be true. Some could be true, some could be false and some could be intentionally spread rumors so absurd as to make the ones listed above and all other rumors look absurd as well. As always, please draw your own conclusions:
Clinton as a Ladies' Man - Rumors
Marilyn Jo Jenkins - rumored
Susan Coleman - rumored (suicide 7.5 months pregnant)
Robyn Dickey -rumored, staffer
Lenora Steinkamp - rumored - mystery jogger on video tape entering the "infamous hallway" with Clinton
Kimba Wood - rumored, judge
Kelley Craighead - rumored, staffer to Bill and Hillary
Sharline Wilson - rumored, claimed drug association
Dee Dee Myers - rumored, staffer
Suzie Whitacre - rumored
Catherine Cornelius - rumored, "distant cousin".
Cheryl Mills - rumored, WH attorney
Current Secret Paramour (per Tripp/King interview) - rumored

Clinton as a Ladies' Man - Rumors with quid pro quo?
Beth Gladden Coulson - rumored - young judicial appointment
Eleanor Mondale - rumored - celebrity daughter, dated Ron Perelman (see Jordan)
Shelia Lawrence - rumored - Widow of Ambassador
Deborah Mathis - rumored - reporter/WH advancements
Debra Schiff - rumored - ex flight attendant, now staffer
Susan McDougal - rumored - business connections
Benazir Bhutto - rumored - current opposition leader in, and former prime minister of Pakistan

Clinton as a wanna be Ladies' Man or intended disinformation? - Rumors High Profile
Barbara Streisand - rumored - celebrity
Markie Post - rumored - actress
Sharon Stone - rumored - actress
Lencola Sullivan - rumored - beauty queen
Martha Stewart - rumored - celebrity
Diana Wiley Pietsch - rumored - sex therapist - Oxford.
Princess Di - rumored - royalty, deceased
NewsMax 12/29/00 Carl Limbacher ".....Before her death, Princess Diana claimed privately that a "very flirtatious" Bill Clinton made a pass at her during one of several meetings; and that she considered accepting -- according to close friends who recently shared Diana's confidences with noted royal author Judy Wade. Wade conducted "scores" of interviews with confidantes to the late Princess of Wales for her soon-to-be released biography, "Diana: The Truth," which is excerpted in next week's National Enquirer. After one Clinton encounter Diana reportedly said, "We were a little naughty with each other," according to one confidante who talked to the tabloid directly. ......"
CLINTON'S ROGUES GALLERY:

Clinton was never found guilty of any crime.

Perhaps you should investigate the constitutional interpretation of that fact.

 

[Kosh]

It's too bad the rightwing nuts on this forum have given up making arguments, and now only make excessively dramatic, baseless proclamations.

I guess they just got tired of losing arguments.

Says the far left Obama drone loaded with far left propaganda.

 

[TemplarKormac]

And uh, g5, are you drunk or stoned? Looks like you're in the early stages of a liberal meltdown.

 

[g5000]

You ignorant fools seems to think the words "bypass Congress" came from Obama's mouth. But try to find a speech where he said those exact words.

It is an old and tried-and-true media tactic, and you fell for it like the rubes you are. Your ignorance is absolutely depended on by the people manipulating you.

Here. Look at another example: Bush's Newest Tack: Bypass Congress

Since the start of his administration, President Bush has disdained what he calls "small ball," preferring to confront big problems with big solutions. Not anymore. As he tries to end-run a balky Congress, Bush is taking a page from Bill Clinton's playbook by adopting a series of mini-initiatives to change policy through executive orders and administration actions that don't require legislation.

Almost identical language.

Get it now?


Dumbasses.

 

[g5000]

And uh, g5, are you drunk or stoned? Looks like you're in the early stages of a liberal meltdown.

Sorry I made your ass hurt.

 

[Kosh]

And uh, g5, are you drunk or stoned? Looks like you're in the early stages of a liberal meltdown.

Give'em time and they will prove it.

 

[g5000]

Do you have any evidence Obama is going to enact an immigration bill, a budget, or lunge for more borrowing without Congress?

Didn't think so.

That's your problem. You rarely think so. Have a look:

“We’re not just going to be waiting for legislation in order to make sure that we’re providing Americans the kind of help they need. I’ve got a pen and I’ve got a phone ... And I can use that pen to sign executive orders and take executive actions and administrative actions that move the ball forward in helping to make sure our kids are getting the best education possible, making sure that our businesses are getting the kind of support and help they need to grow and advance, to make sure that people are getting the skills that they need to get those jobs that our businesses are creating. One of the things that I’m going to be talking to my Cabinet about is how do we use all the tools available to us, not just legislation, in order to advance a mission that I think unifies all Americans. ... The belief that everybody’s got to take responsibility, everybody’s got to work hard, but if you do, that you can support a family and meet the kinds of obligations that you have to yourself and your family, but also to your communities and your neighbors."

-President Barack Obama, January 14, 2014

As ordered.

Nope. Nothing about enacting immigration reform, a budget, or lunging for more borrowing without Congress. You are clearly hallucinating.

I see now why you asked if I was drugged. You were projecting!

 

[L.K.Eder]

Conservatives will vigorously oppose the notion of a powerful chief executive right up until about one nano-second AFTER a Republican gets nominated president.

Exactly. They had no problem while Bush was doing all this shit. I have concluded there were all in comas for eight years and awakened on January 20, 2009.

All these police powers Obama has were handed to him by George "Patriot Act" Bush.

And Executive Orders have been around for over a century. They seem to be oblivious to this.


"Oh. My. Gah-awd! Hussein sez he haz a pen! This can only mean...HITLER!!!"

damn right. hitler had a pen. it is known.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Understanding Executive Orders And The Powers They Grant

https://www.votetocracy.com/blog/79/understanding-executive-orders-and-the-powers-they-grant

Now you've done it. No one questions the self awarded authority of PoliticalChic; all attempts to offer alternative opinions which hint that Ms. Narcissistic is full of digested bull food will be met with a swift personal attack on their character, intelligence and appearance.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Obamacare is awaiting review by the Supreme Court?

"U.S. Supreme Court asked by Priests for Life to hear Obamacare challenge"
U.S. Supreme Court asked by Priests for Life to hear Obamacare challenge | SILive.com


"Supreme Court May Review Obamacare Contraception Mandate"
Supreme Court May Review Obamacare Contraception Mandate - ABC News


"Supreme Court Issues Stay in Obamacare Birth-Control Case"
Supreme Court Issues Stay in Obamacare Birth-Control Case - NationalJournal.com

Pass the news on to Jakal.

So?

Suddenly you're FOR unelected judges tyrannically overruling the will of the People and their elected representatives?

lol, how fickle you rightwingers are.

You questioned the reference to the Supreme Court and ObamaCare......and your retreat is
"So?

Suddenly you're FOR blah blah blah...."



I'll count that as just one more form of lying for which you are infamous.

 

[HenryBHough]

Some day you'll look back fondly on Obama's years. Just as people now look back fondly on Adolph Hitler's year recalling how he conquered unemployment and made sure the trains ran on time. All the rest? Petty detail; unimportant in light of the his two major achievements.

Still, many feel Joe Stalin did faster, more thorough work on reducing unemployment.

 

[TemplarKormac]

That's your problem. You rarely think so. Have a look:

As ordered.

Nope. Nothing about enacting immigration reform, a budget, or lunging for more borrowing without Congress. You are clearly hallucinating.

I see now why you asked if I was drugged. You were projecting!

You just came here to troll didn't you?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Oh..I thought this was going to be about Bill “Shechem” Clinton.

Who really did operate outside the Legislative Branch.

Iran?Contra affair - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"....Bill “Shechem” Clinton."

What a truly disgusting way to try to mitigate the record of a real rapist.....Bill “Shechem” Clinton....by slandering a great American, whose economic policies benefited every American, and whose foreign policy benefited every human being.

Only a low-life Liberal would behave in such a manner.

Tell us how Reagan's foreign policy benefited the Marines who were killed in the Beirut barracks bombing.

Be specific.

"Many forces contributed to the fall of the "Evil Empire", but foremost among them was the deployment of those 464 cruise and 108 Pershing II missiles slated to offset triple-warhead Soviet SS-20s and Backfire bombers that could reach all of Western Europe (but not the American homeland).

Needless to say, it was not the "theo-logic" of deterrence that drove the counter-deployment. The drama was not really about "circular-errors probable" or "hard-target kill capabilities." The name of the game was as old as Thucydides' disquisitions on Peloponnesian power politics. It was a pure test of will and strength, and on its outcome hung, as it turned out, history. Yet what a slender thread it was.

Summer of 1982:… Millions were marching against NATO and America; pacifism and neutralism were given a new name: "Hollanditis." The Soviets were playing missile angst to the hilt, predicting that Western Europe would crack under the pressure.

Enter Ronald Reagan, a president who, whatever else he was and did, was an extraordinary exemplar of "Only in America." He was an ingenue even by American standards, but as tough and hard-bitten as any Soviet general-secretary (post-Stalin, that is). He hated communism, but embraced Mikhail Gorbachev. He presided over the greatest peace-time military buildup in American history, but loathed nuclear weapons, confiding in An American Life that his "dream became a world free of nuclear weapons." He elevated supply-side economics from Arthur Laffer's back-of-the-envelope doodles to the reigning dogma of the White House and radically cut taxes--only to pragmatically raise them again in 1982 and 1983 when a "decent respect" for the opinions of Congress so demanded."
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2751/is_77/ai_n6353166/pg_3/?tag=content;col1


...and won the cold war without firing a shot.


Sticks in your craw, huh, bird-brain.

 

[g5000]

So what have we learned today, kids? Notice I generously give you the benefit of doubt that you learn things.

We learned that Presidents have executive powers which enable them to "change policy through executive orders and administration actions that don't require legislation."

We learned people who manipulate your fragile, ignorant minds call this "bypassing Congress" when it is a President of the opposing party.

We learned every President does these things from time to time when confronted by a deadlocked Congress, and that these things are not illegal in any way, shape, or form.

New fact: There have been 8,580 Executive Orders issued in the past 85 years. We are currently up to 13,655 Executive Orders issued by our Presidents.

New fact: Only two Executive Orders have ever been found to be unconstitutional by the Supreme Court in our entire history! And neither are from Obama.

Feel free to copy and paste this information into any of the innumerable "pen and phone" topics.