How does the Left use any tragedy to blame their adversaries?

[Dragonlady]

Do you REALLY believe the Democratic Party is financially responsible?

I haven't done a detailed analysis of their budgets, to opine with any certainly as to whether they meet a resonable definition of "fiscal responsibility", but they are certainly far more fiscally responsible than any Republican President in my lifetime, save Eisenhauer.

No Democrat has ever crashed the economy. Three of the last 4 Republican Presidents have crashed the economy. In all cases, a Democrat has come in, cleaned up the mess, pass laws to prevent it from happening again, and gotten the economy back on track.

Republicans have come in with a robust and healthy balance sheet, and repealled the consumer protection laws passed after the last Crash, cut taxes, increased spending, and crashed the economy, and we're back where we started.

Reagan repealled all of the New Deal tax and labour codes, and set up the current system, which has transferred 80% of the wealth of the nation to the top 10% of Americans. Every Republican tax cut has further impoverished working and middle class people to the benefit of the super wealthy.

Trump SHOULD have raised both taxes and interest rates, in the boom economy he was handed, while continuing to reduce the deficit, which was still $487 billion. Instead, he cut taxes, increased spending and put it all on the national credit card. Instead of workers being given raises, and "growth on steriods", the corporate tax cuts were used for share buybacks, increasing share values, and nothing else. Trump achieved 3% growth in 2018, but never had GDP growth of more than 2.5% in 2017 and 2019, with -2,2% for 2020.

When the pandemic hit, with revenues cut to the bone, income was insufficient to cover the increased expenditures, and the national crediit card limit spiralling ever upward, the economy crashed utterly and workers again saw their savings and equity depleted, while the super wealthy made billions through interest free loans and grants.

W did the same thing, except that the budget was balanced when he took office so the deficit effect was not as bad as it was under Trump. Unfortunately, the government bailed out banks, insurance companies, and the auto industry, but working and middle class Americans got screwed when the real estate bubble burst. A mistake that Biden Harris didn't repeat in 2021.

Now the economy is back on track but still fragile. The deficiit is coming down but still WAY to high, and the debt is still going up. Trump is promising to cut taxes for the wealthy, and screw over the working and middle class again.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different results. If you look at any economic number - job creation, balance of trade, stock market, GDP growth, federal budgets, from WWII until today, you have to be insane to continue to vote Republican.

 

[daveman]

I haven't done a detailed analysis of their budgets, to opine with any certainly as to whether they meet a resonable definition of "fiscal responsibility", but they are certainly far more fiscally responsible than any Republican President in my lifetime, save Eisenhauer.

No Democrat has ever crashed the economy. Three of the last 4 Republican Presidents have crashed the economy. In all cases, a Democrat has come in, cleaned up the mess, pass laws to prevent it from happening again, and gotten the economy back on track.

Republicans have come in with a robust and healthy balance sheet, and repealled the consumer protection laws passed after the last Crash, cut taxes, increased spending, and crashed the economy, and we're back where we started.

Reagan repealled all of the New Deal tax and labour codes, and set up the current system, which has transferred 80% of the wealth of the nation to the top 10% of Americans. Every Republican tax cut has further impoverished working and middle class people to the benefit of the super wealthy.

Trump SHOULD have raised both taxes and interest rates, in the boom economy he was handed, while continuing to reduce the deficit, which was still $487 billion. Instead, he cut taxes, increased spending and put it all on the national credit card. Instead of workers being given raises, and "growth on steriods", the corporate tax cuts were used for share buybacks, increasing share values, and nothing else. Trump achieved 3% growth in 2018, but never had GDP growth of more than 2.5% in 2017 and 2019, with -2,2% for 2020.

When the pandemic hit, with revenues cut to the bone, income was insufficient to cover the increased expenditures, and the national crediit card limit spiralling ever upward, the economy crashed utterly and workers again saw their savings and equity depleted, while the super wealthy made billions through interest free loans and grants.

W did the same thing, except that the budget was balanced when he took office so the deficit effect was not as bad as it was under Trump. Unfortunately, the government bailed out banks, insurance companies, and the auto industry, but working and middle class Americans got screwed when the real estate bubble burst. A mistake that Biden Harris didn't repeat in 2021.

Now the economy is back on track but still fragile. The deficiit is coming down but still WAY to high, and the debt is still going up. Trump is promising to cut taxes for the wealthy, and screw over the working and middle class again.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different results. If you look at any economic number - job creation, balance of trade, stock market, GDP growth, federal budgets, from WWII until today, you have to be insane to continue to vote Republican.

I'll admit I know little about economics -- it bores the ass off me -- but I can't help but think that the last 4 Republican Presidents had Democratic congresses for the most part.

You know the President doesn't craft financial law, right? He signs what he's sent, or he doesn't, but doesn't create law.

Are you sure you're blaming the right people?

 

[Dragonlady]

Conservatism is about small government leaving people alone to live their lives. (Note I am not talking about the GOP, which is Dem-Lite.)

Leftism is about government control over individual lives.

Which would you choose?

Leftism is not in any way about government control over individuals lives. Republicans are lying to you about this stuff and you continue to parrot the lies.

Until you stop believing Republicans, and start fact checking and verifying everything they tell you, you're completely fucked.

The Republican Party in Florida is trying to monitor the menstral periods of teenage girls. How much more "control" should women be prepared to give these men? At the same time they tell you that vaccine requirements are an "infringement on your freedom".

Are you fucking kidding me??????

 

[daveman]

Leftism is not in any way about government control over individuals lives. Republicans are lying to you about this stuff and you continue to parrot the lies.

Until you stop believing Republicans, and start fact checking and verifying everything they tell you, you're completely fucked.

You really have no understanding of leftism, do you? You just been told it's good, and that's all it takes.

The Republican Party in Florida is trying to monitor the menstral periods of teenage girls. How much more "control" should women be prepared to give these men? At the same time they tell you that vaccine requirements are an "infringement on your freedom".

Are you fucking kidding me??????

I've not looked into it, but I can almost guarantee you're completely misrepresenting what's going on in Florida.

 

[Dragonlady]

I'll admit I know little about economics -- it bores the ass off me -- but I can't help but think that the last 4 Republican Presidents had Democratic congresses for the most part.

You know the President doesn't craft financial law, right? He signs what he's sent, or he doesn't, but doesn't create law.

Are you sure you're blaming the right people?

I appreciate your patience in reading it. I know it's dense. My knowledge is relatively superficial in terms of government finances. I have more experience with corporate financial analysis because I did it for years. That's why I understood Harris' "price gouging" strategy the moment I heard about it. I just googled the profit margins for grocery stores for the relevant years, and there it was. 40% increase in net profit margins over costs, between 2019 and 2022.

Yeah I'm blaming the right people. Democrats are the "tax and spend: party, but notice that they "tax" before they "spend". Republicans "cut and spend".

Also note the the Republican Congress and Senate passed the banking reform law, weakening the consumer protections put in place in the wake of the 1929 Crash - the Financial Services Modernization Act, signed by Bill Clinton in 1999, which made the Subprime Mortgage Collapse, possible.

Obama immediately restored some of these protections when he took office, under the Dodd–Frank Act, which has improved financial stability and consumer protections. Of course Trump weakened Dodd-Frank it with the Economic Growth, Regulatory Relief and Consumer Protection Act from the Dodd–Frank Act's banking regulations in 2018. We've seen several bank failures tied to their exemption from Dodd-Frank.

When Trump was asked recently how he was going to pay for this tax cut he's proposing, he answered "Growth". Growth has NEVER paid for any tax cut ever. Republicans make this claim every time they've cut taxes, it's never happened. When revenues increase after they cut taxes, it's from their increased spending, not the tax cuts.

Reagan had a very tame Democractic Congress and there was bi-partisan cooperation, as well as the belief that a sitting President has a mandate.

W had a Republican Congress until 2006, and by then the die was already cast and the damage done. The economists already were warning about the dangerous housing bubble. But of course Republicans blamed Fannie Mae, Freddie and the Democrats for the crash. Fannie Mae and Freddie didn't even start making subprime loans until 2006.

Trump had a Republican House for half his term, and Republican Senate for all of his term. Democrats were only in the House for one year when covid hit.

 

[Dragonlady]

You really have no understanding of leftism, do you? You just been told it's good, and that's all it takes.

I've not looked into it, but I can almost guarantee you're completely misrepresenting what's going on in Florida.

I live in a leftist country. I've been offered multiple opportunities to move to the States but why would I move to a nation where women don't have equal rights under the law. I have a much better understanding of how a leftist country functions. You have Republican lies.

Canada is one of the highest ranking countries in the world for personal freedoms and on the best countries in the world to live. Every time I go to the USA, I'm stuck by how dirty and run down it looks. The air and water. Your infrastructure is really poorly maintained, and your cities are dirty, and run down looking.

Here I have tax funded universal health care - no copays There are no abortion laws in Canada. Abortion are a matter between a woman and her doctor, and they're free. Our abortion rate is half that of the USA, because we have mandated maternity leave, guaranteed job security for pregnant women, $10/day daycare, $500 per month child tax benefit,

Guaranteed income for seniors. New business incubators and income supports for new businesses, Retraining grants and income supports for the unemployed. One of the world's best education systems. Decent wages for teachers. Sensible gun control laws. Clean air and water.

Women have equal rights under the law and equal pay for work of equal value.

 

[john doe 101]

Did you watch the Dem convention?

No.

 

[Lisa558]

The IDF has only rescued like 8 hostages so the government shouldn't be surprised by protests

And there you have it.

This leftist is blaming the Jews for not being able to rescue more hostages from the bowels of the earth where the HAMAS monsters have hidden them INSTEAD of the HAMAS monsters for refusing to return them.

Just shows how extreme the pro-Muslim, anti-Jew sentiment is on the Left. Any Jew who votes for the Dem is an idiot.

 

[daveman]

I appreciate your patience in reading it. I know it's dense. My knowledge is relatively superficial in terms of government finances. I have more experience with corporate financial analysis because I did it for years. That's why I understood Harris' "price gouging" strategy the moment I heard about it. I just googled the profit margins for grocery stores for the relevant years, and there it was. 40% increase in net profit margins over costs, between 2019 and 2022.

Yeah I'm blaming the right people. Democrats are the "tax and spend: party, but notice that they "tax" before they "spend". Republicans "cut and spend".

Also note the the Republican Congress and Senate passed the banking reform law, weakening the consumer protections put in place in the wake of the 1929 Crash - the Financial Services Modernization Act, signed by Bill Clinton in 1999, which made the Subprime Mortgage Collapse, possible.

Obama immediately restored some of these protections when he took office, under the Dodd–Frank Act, which has improved financial stability and consumer protections. Of course Trump weakened Dodd-Frank it with the Economic Growth, Regulatory Relief and Consumer Protection Act from the Dodd–Frank Act's banking regulations in 2018. We've seen several bank failures tied to their exemption from Dodd-Frank.

When Trump was asked recently how he was going to pay for this tax cut he's proposing, he answered "Growth". Growth has NEVER paid for any tax cut ever. Republicans make this claim every time they've cut taxes, it's never happened. When revenues increase after they cut taxes, it's from their increased spending, not the tax cuts.

Reagan had a very tame Democractic Congress and there was bi-partisan cooperation, as well as the belief that a sitting President has a mandate.

W had a Republican Congress until 2006, and by then the die was already cast and the damage done. The economists already were warning about the dangerous housing bubble. But of course Republicans blamed Fannie Mae, Freddie and the Democrats for the crash. Fannie Mae and Freddie didn't even start making subprime loans until 2006.

Trump had a Republican House for half his term, and Republican Senate for all of his term. Democrats were only in the House for one year when covid hit.

Okay. Thanks. You've given me food for thought.

 

[daveman]

I live in a leftist country. I've been offered multiple opportunities to move to the States but why would I move to a nation where women don't have equal rights under the law. I have a much better understanding of how a leftist country functions. You have Republican lies.

Canada is one of the highest ranking countries in the world for personal freedoms and on the best countries in the world to live. Every time I go to the USA, I'm stuck by how dirty and run down it looks. The air and water. Your infrastructure is really poorly maintained, and your cities are dirty, and run down looking.

Here I have tax funded universal health care - no copays There are no abortion laws in Canada. Abortion are a matter between a woman and her doctor, and they're free. Our abortion rate is half that of the USA, because we have mandated maternity leave, guaranteed job security for pregnant women, $10/day daycare, $500 per month child tax benefit,

Guaranteed income for seniors. New business incubators and income supports for new businesses, Retraining grants and income supports for the unemployed. One of the world's best education systems. Decent wages for teachers. Sensible gun control laws. Clean air and water.

Women have equal rights under the law and equal pay for work of equal value.

That's all good stuff. But that doesn't tell the whole story of Canada, does it?

The government put people in jail for the truckers' protests. The government offers to help people kill themselves when their care is too expensive.

I don't think I'd want to live under a government that would kill me if I was inconvenient.

 

[daveman]

No.

Harris may read pretty good off a teleprompter, but she can't speak coherently without one.

You've had a real idiot pushed on you.

 

[john doe 101]

Harris may read pretty good off a teleprompter, but she can't speak coherently without one.

You've had a real idiot pushed on you.

Are you saying trump speaks coherently? LOL you're nuts. Harris can convey a clear thought. Trump can't. There is no comparison.

 

[daveman]

Are you saying trump speaks coherently? LOL you're nuts. Harris can convey a clear thought. Trump can't. There is no comparison.

Yes, yes, that's what you've been told to say. Rational people know it's trash.

 

[john doe 101]

Yes, yes, that's what you've been told to say. Rational people know it's trash.

My hearing is fully 100% functional. Perhaps yours isnt.

 

[Dragonlady]

That's all good stuff. But that doesn't tell the whole story of Canada, does it?

The government put people in jail for the truckers' protests. The government offers to help people kill themselves when their care is too expensive.

I don't think I'd want to live under a government that would kill me if I was inconvenient.

No, the Citizen of Ottawa sued the truckers and got an Court Order for them to cease and desist. The government didn't file charges, other public drunkeness, and the like.

The truckers arrived in Ottawa just as the lockdowns were lifted and people could go for the first time in two years. People couldn't go out on the streets at night, and the truckers would follow and harass people wearing masks and after being in lockdown for two years they were in no mood for these assholes.

They were drinking and partying all night long, just as people had to get up in the morning to go to work. The Citizens of Ottawa got a Court Order to shut down the demonstrations and then demanded the government enforce it.

The truckers refused to comply with the Court Orders, and they were jailed for that refusal. It was also determined that the money they raised was through fraud. The government seized the funds and returned them to the donors.

The Canadian people do not tolerate assholes. Government works for US, we'll damn well make sure they remember who pays their salaries.

80% of Canadians cheered when those assholes were arrested. Keep your MAGA bullshit to yourselves. We don't need your idiocy here.

 

[Dragonlady]

Yes, yes, that's what you've been told to say. Rational people know it's trash.

Rational people read it and say -

"It’s all right. We have to do what we have to do. Right? We have to do what we have to do, and now we have somebody that in theory should be easier to beat, in theory because she’s a radical left Marxist and everybody knows it, but we’re welcoming the support from millions of disaffected Democrats, independents, moderates, old-fashioned liberals who still believe in little things like borders. I was there yesterday. That’s a scary place. ” Sir, it’s about time that you get out of the sun. Sir, we’re going to have to get you out of here, sir. Let’s get the hell out of here.” She was the border czar. She presided over the worst border in history, not American history, world history, democracy, liberty, and of course, always the right of free speech. We don’t really have free speech right now. The press, look at all of them. Look at all of them. Look at that. Wow. Man. That’s a lot of press. That’s a lot of fake news. That’s a hell of a lot of fake news."

WHAT THE HELL IS THIS SHIT?????

I love the "look a squirrel" moment when he mentions the border and then rants off in another direction, and then veers how there's no more free speech.

And that is from the beginning of the speech - BEFORE HE WENT COMPLETELY OFF THE RAILS.

 

[candycorn]

You left out some context. Shocking, but completely in character.


Meanwhile, you refuse to hold responsible Fauci et. al. for weaponizing the COVID virus in contracted biolabs in China.

Makes you wonder why the blob kept him employed for his entire term.

Oh yeah...because it didn’t happen.

 

[Dragonlady]

You left out some context. Shocking, but completely in character.


Meanwhile, you refuse to hold responsible Fauci et. al. for weaponizing the COVID virus in contracted biolabs in China.

Why would we hold Faucci responsible for something the Gateway Pundit fabricated from whole cloth?

You keep asking people to apoligize or take repsonsibility for stuff that right wing media made up about them, or alternatively provide evidence that the allegations are false.

It is up to those making allegations to prove them true. You can't prove a negative, which is why the conspiracy theories around Faucci persist. Or the allegation that Joe Biden showered with his daughter. You cannot prove something didn't happen. Only that it did.

When did you stop beating your wife? If your wife denies you beat her, it's only because she's covering up for you. Thsi is why rumours are so insidious. You cannot prove you didn't do something, only that you did.

 

[daveman]

My hearing is fully 100% functional. Perhaps yours isnt.

Mine's fine. So's yours. You repeat exactly what your masters tell you to say.

 

[daveman]

No, the Citizen of Ottawa sued the truckers and got an Court Order for them to cease and desist. The government didn't file charges, other public drunkeness, and the like.

The truckers arrived in Ottawa just as the lockdowns were lifted and people could go for the first time in two years. People couldn't go out on the streets at night, and the truckers would follow and harass people wearing masks and after being in lockdown for two years they were in no mood for these assholes.

They were drinking and partying all night long, just as people had to get up in the morning to go to work. The Citizens of Ottawa got a Court Order to shut down the demonstrations and then demanded the government enforce it.

The truckers refused to comply with the Court Orders, and they were jailed for that refusal. It was also determined that the money they raised was through fraud. The government seized the funds and returned them to the donors.

The Canadian people do not tolerate assholes. Government works for US, we'll damn well make sure they remember who pays their salaries.

80% of Canadians cheered when those assholes were arrested. Keep your MAGA bullshit to yourselves. We don't need your idiocy here.

I think you're leaving something out.

Justin Trudeau invokes emergency powers to quell trucker protests in Canada​

Had nothing to do with Ottawans' lawsuit.