The U.S. Needs To Act Against Russian Threat To Ukraine!

[justoffal]

Conservative, to be clear - you think Russia prevails in a nuclear military confrontation vs the United States?

Nobody prevails....however we have 10 times more soft flesh exposed as a society....Russia is already a Spartan nation.

 

[Ringo]

Without US production, the Soviet Union would have collapsed. This was stated by no less than Stalin.

The main part of Lend-Lease began to go after Stalingrad. I hope you've heard about this city and know the importance of events for the war that took place in and around it? In Soviet history, the Battle of Stalingrad was the beginning of a radical turning point in the war. If you think that without lend-lease, the USSR would have lost the war, then be sure that without the USSR, the United States would have been conquered by the Germans and the Japanese.

 

[Mushroom]

This was the entire point. Your conservative brethren are just Russian cheerleaders.

Right.

I just love how people make things up without anything to back it up.

House Republicans tore into President Biden’s mixed messaging on the Ukraine crisis Thursday, describing it as the latest foreign policy fumble during his first year in office.

Biden suggested during a White House news conference Wednesday that the Western response to a Russian invasion of Ukraine would be less severe if it was a “minor incursion.” That statement caused alarm in Kiev and led the White House to try and walk back the remarks after critics argued they constituted a “green light” for Kremlin military action.

“The number one job, number one job of the commander in chief is to keep this country safe,” Rep. Michael Waltz (R-Fla.) told reporters Thursday. “Yesterday, Joe Biden literally threw the Ukrainian people under the bus by hedging and essentially, according to the Ukrainian foreign minister, giving the Russians a green light and giving Putin a green light if they only make a ‘minor incursion.'”

House GOP slams Biden Ukraine ‘weakness’ on inauguration anniversary

House Republicans tore into President Biden’s mixed messaging on the Ukraine crisis Thursday, describing it as the latest foreign policy fumble during his first year in office.

nypost.com

The top Republican on the House Foreign Affairs Committee warned Friday that Russian President Vladimir Putin will invade Ukraine in the coming weeks and urged Congress and President Biden to get tougher on Russia.

Rep. Michael McCaul, R-Texas, said he couldn't discuss classified briefings he's received on Russia, but said Putin is setting out a "very aggressive timetable" to send troops into Ukraine.

"My prediction is you're going to see Russia invading Ukraine in the next month," McCaul said Friday on a call with reporters to discuss Biden's foreign policy.

Republican congressional leader warns Russia will invade Ukraine 'in the next month'

The top Republican on the House Foreign Affairs Committee warned Friday that Russian President Vladimir Putin will invade Ukraine in the coming weeks and urged Congress and President Biden to get tougher on Russia.

www.foxnews.com

House Republicans introduced legislation on Monday targeting Russia over its military buildup near Ukraine as officials from Washington and Moscow meet to discuss the Kremlin's security demands.

The Guaranteeing Ukrainian Autonomy by Reinforcing its Defense Act, or GUARD Act, would move to bolster Kyiv’s defense capabilities and reject some of Russia’s demands.

House GOP members introduce legislation targeting Russia over Ukraine

House Republicans introduced legislation on Monday targeting Russia over its military buildup near Ukraine as officials from Washington and Moscow meet to discuss the Kremlin’s secu…

thehill.com

Real "Cheerleeders" there.

 

[TemplarKormac]

It has been reported in the Washington Post (on Dec. 3 of this year) that American intelligence is assessing the ultimate size of the Russian military force amassing on the Ukrainian border at one-hundred and seventy-five thousand troops the number is already over 100K, many people think this is an omen that the country of Russia will invade Ukraine and annex it. The world has already seen how Russian President Putin stole Ukrainian territory in Russia's military conquest of Crimea in the last ten years; the media has well reported that Vladimir Putin doesn't think of Ukraine as a sovereign country but rather as part of Mother Russia. Wisdom calls for acting like Russia's invasion of Ukraine is imminent. Now America has this segment of Americans that says we shouldn't funnel huge amounts of military equipment to the country of Ukraine to defend itself against Russian aggression because doing so will provoke Russian Vladimir Putin to attack Ukraine because he will argue that America massively arming the Ukrainian army poses a security threat to Russia because Ukraine is on Russia's border so Russia has to invade and conquer Ukraine to eliminate this military threat. The proper thinking on this issue is we're past the stage of worrying about provoking Putin his amassing 175K troops on Ukrainian border should be interpreted that he is intending to invade and conquer Ukraine.

I am not a military expert and have no background in the military but I believe that America should be outstandingly generous in giving military equipment to Ukraine in order to help that country defend itself, be outstandingly accommodating to the Ukraine military leadership's request for assistance in this area. My reasoning is that the Ukrainian people are a good people over the last ten years with this ongoing Russian conflict America has had many contacts with the Ukrainian people and learned they are a good people that deserve their sovereign rights that being the right to their own country. Further, with the world struggling to come out of the Covid 19 pandemic with European countries trying to rebuild their economies which took a terrible hit from this disease the last thing in the world Europe needs is Russia conducting military expansionism and taking over the huge European country of Ukraine. Plus, the world doesn't need to go backwards to Cold War times with a Russian Empire in Eastern Europe America needs to make an outstanding effort to not go back to this security nightmare!

In regards to the issue of whether or not U.S. military personnel should be utilized to defend the country of Ukraine from a military attack from Russia. Ordinarily, I would say no the country of Ukraine is the Ukrainian citizens country it is not the American citizens country American men and women should not give their life defending Ukraine sovereignty it is the Ukrainian citizens duty to make this sacrifice. If America had a Treaty or Treaty like obligation to Ukraine that would be a different story, obviously Ukraine isn't in the Nato alliance so there is no Nato Treaty obligation; there is a matter of an agreement between America in conjunction with a whole bunch of other countries and the country of Ukraine to get Ukraine to disarm all nuclear weapons after the Cold War ended, I don't know the details of that agreement so I have no comment on that issue. But I do think that at the present time the times are extraordinary which does warrant America getting involved in a military conflict related to Russia invading Ukraine albeit in a limited manner. The reasoning goes like this if Russia invades and conquers Ukraine that is going to create a gigantic tidal wave of refugees flooding into Europe, the refugee numbers will range in the hundreds of thousands if not millions not only will this cause grave economic hardship on European countries but this will cause division between these countries (because some countries will not take these refugees or as many that need to be taken) likely so severe that it could threaten the NATO military alliance this cannot be allowed to happen America needs NATO to exist and be a strong and reliable alliance, no other option can be tolerated, so America must act on this Russia invasion matter to protect and preserve the NATO alliance. Specifically what is meant here is not deploying U.S. ground troops on Ukrainian soil what is meant here is if the Russian military invades Ukraine, U.S. air power will be used to slow, weaken and hopefully stop the invasion. U.S. air planes should be used to bomb the advancing Russian tank and troop columns; the Ukrainian military is at least a respectable modern military (they've comported themselves well in the fighting on the Eastern Ukraine border against the Russian proxies over the last eight years) with U.S. air power assistance they should be able to at least stop any Russian military invasion if not repel it out of the country of Ukraine!

 

[Silver Cat]

Those "analysts" say what they are told to say...because I suspect it's bullshit. The most effective (and survivable) of the US nuclear arsenal is, of course, the fourteen Ohio-class missile submarines.

And only one or two of them are at hard duty (in fifteen-minute readiness) in North Atlantic at any given moment, ready to attack European part of Russia. Others need hours or days to prepare for the attack. Moscow region is covered by the proper ABD and ersatz-ABD which can effectively protect from the full launch of one SSBN, and with good chances - against simultaneous launch of two SSBNs.
Survivability of the SSBNs is discutable, highly depends on still unknown efficiency of the Russian Garmoniya (Harmony) Ocean Survey System and their strike underwater systems like Klavesin and Cephalopod.
As far as I know, the Russians believe that it is more safer to gamble with the first counter-force strike against the US nuclear forces, than gamble with the continues NATO expansion.

 

[Silver Cat]

Coward. Plain and simple, you chose the coward's approach.

But to attack Russia with only two SSBNs on hard duty in North Atlantic is not bravery. It is stupidity.

 

[Silver Cat]

So the Russian troops on the border are our imagination?

They are on their own border, not ours.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

america is the only country without troops on the border
Your borderless country has given false idea of what defense is.

Those Russian troops are NOT in Russia, dumbass!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I don't understand the kinds of shit or the difference between American politicians. for me, the whole political American sewer is a pile of shit. Stupid, evil shit. Everything is clear with the Democrats. but here's a Republican. it seems to be a military man, offering something that the last cretin would not have invented...

Senator brings up nuclear strikes when asked about possible US action against Russia

Mississippi senator and Armed Forces panel member suggests massive war with Russia

www.independent.co.uk

Great source! A no-name outfit hiding behind a pay wall!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

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With Russia Poised to Invade, Joe Biden's Caution Frustrates Ukraine​

With Russia Poised to Invade, Joe Biden's Caution Frustrates Ukraine

Current and former officials who spoke with Newsweek suggested the U.S. and its NATO allies are moving too slow to stop Russia.

www.newsweek.com

• Kyiv source accuses U.S. of "slow-balling emergency military supplies"
• Senior diplomat fears Ukraine "might become a victim" of U.S.-Russia deal
• "In a way, Putin already achieved what he wanted."

Commentary:
Indeed, Bai Dung gave Putin the tool to invade the Ukraine by his weakness and allowing the completion of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline.
"They have been hampered by American hesitance to provide more potent weaponry; conspiracy theories alleging Ukrainian involvement in disproved American electoral fraud claims; the U.S. failure to block Russia's Nord Stream 2 natural gas pipeline; and Kyiv's delayed bid to join NATO."

Interesting combination that was used there.

I have never heard "slow-balling". Is that a combination of "slow-walking" and "snow-balling"?

I'm just trying to learn a little here!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Private US military companies located in the Donetsk region are preparing a provocation with chemicals in eastern Ukraine, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said.

"Tanks with unidentified chemical components have been delivered to the cities of Avdiivka and Krasny Estuary to commit provocations," he said at an expanded meeting of the board of the Ministry of Defense with the participation of President Vladimir Putin.

According to the agency, about 120 representatives of American PMCs who train Ukrainian special forces arrived in the region.

The conflict in eastern Ukraine has lasted for more than seven and a half years, during which time, according to the UN, more than 13 thousand people have become victims. De-escalation is being discussed at a meeting of the contact group, based on the Minsk agreements, which imply a ceasefire and the withdrawal of heavy weapons from the contact line. At the same time, Ukraine has now concentrated half of the army personnel in the Donbass and is firing at the militia, including with the use of prohibited equipment.

Tensions in the region are being escalated by the United States and other NATO countries, which supply Kiev with weapons and military instructors, and have also increased the number of exercises in the Black Sea. Moscow believes that the West is trying to create a grouping of troops near the Russian borders.

No source, again!

What is with you?

 

[Silver Cat]

The leader of the ruling Russian party "United Russia" asked government for official military supplies for DPR and LPR and other measures necessary for defense of Russian citizens in those counties.

«Единая Россия» попросила отправить в Донбасс оружие

Партия «Единая Россия» просит руководство страны оказать помощь самопровозглашённым Донецкой и Луганской народным республикам (ДНР и ЛНР) в виде поставок военной продукции.

news.ru

According rumors, they mean, first of all, heavy flamethrowers, the best weapon for elimination of the light infantry in trenches.

Update: they suggest to send flamethrowers and other CBRN units according possibility of CW-provocations.

 

[Silver Cat]

Those Russian troops are NOT in Russia, dumbass!

Depends on your definition of the term "Russia". As well as America is not equal to the USA, and Yanks to Americans, Russia is not always equal to Russian Federation, and Russkiye is not always equal to Rossiyane.

 

[Mushroom]

According rumors, they mean, first of all, heavy flamethrowers, the best weapon for elimination of the light infantry in trenches.

Which would make them instant war criminals. Are you not aware that the use of flame weapons is banned under the Geneva Convention?

 

[Jarlaxle]

And only one or two of them are at hard duty (in fifteen-minute readiness) in North Atlantic at any given moment, ready to attack European part of Russia. Others need hours or days to prepare for the attack. Moscow region is covered by the proper ABD and ersatz-ABD which can effectively protect from the full launch of one SSBN, and with good chances - against simultaneous launch of two SSBNs.
Survivability of the SSBNs is discutable, highly depends on still unknown efficiency of the Russian Garmoniya (Harmony) Ocean Survey System and their strike underwater systems like Klavesin and Cephalopod.
As far as I know, the Russians believe that it is more safer to gamble with the first counter-force strike against the US nuclear forces, than gamble with the continues NATO expansion.

Why do you think the submarines have to be in the North Atlantic? The Trident missiles have a range of more than 7500 miles.

 

[Jarlaxle]

The main part of Lend-Lease began to go after Stalingrad. I hope you've heard about this city and know the importance of events for the war that took place in and around it? In Soviet history, the Battle of Stalingrad was the beginning of a radical turning point in the war. If you think that without lend-lease, the USSR would have lost the war, then be sure that without the USSR, the United States would have been conquered by the Germans and the Japanese.

Describe in detail how the Germans would have managed to cross the Atlantic. Be specific.

And note: while splitting their production and forces, the US defeated Japan with assistance only of Britain (mostly Australia), with the US Navy doing most of the heavy lifting except on New Guinea.

 

[Jarlaxle]

No source, again!

What is with you?

He's a paid shill for Putin.

 

[deplorable1]

If the fraudster and chief takes us into a war he will be run out of office...literally....

He will shuffle out of office if he can find the door. Why is Brandon and Kamila concerned about the Ukranian border? What about our southern border? Are they that fkn stupid.

 

[Ringo]

Describe in detail how the Germans would have managed to cross the Atlantic. Be specific.

There would be many willing people and countries in Latin America to help the germans. And of course the fifth column.

American Nazis in the 1930s—The German American Bund

In the United States, the German American Bund, an American Nazi organization, was formed in 1936, and soon grew to have tens of thousands of members.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[Mushroom]

There would be many willing people and countries in Latin America to help the germans.

One thing about most of South America is that they are highly nationalistic as well as Socialistic. Exactly the kind of thing that appeals to them. Exactly why countries like Mexico, Venezuela, and Argentina followed many of their beliefs. All of those and more have been both Nationalist and Socialist governments to one degree or another for the past century. Long before even the concept of Fascism was founded.