The truth on the Renee Good shooting lies in the middle

[Correll]

The party of free speech! lol.

What they did was not "speech".

It was the use of force to fight a government policy.

Technically, this is rebellion or sedition.

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

Ah, fascism. Slavish obedience to LEO is one's only way to live.

Disrespect is a death sentence.

Seems reasonable in today's America.

There’s a lot of disrespectin going on in Chicago everyday.

 

[OODA_Loop]

No she was not above the law, and I think most people would agree that she should have just complied instead of trying to flee. Her fleeing is not reason for her to be executed though.

Fleeing was not.

Striking a law enforcement with her vehicle was however grounds for lawful lethal response from the law enforcement officer.

It is truly unfortunate. But not an execution.

 

[RedrickTheCoat]

How sure are you that Mr. Gomez-Guerroro would not have backed up and finished the job, if Officer Vilafuerte had done the matador move you are so sure you would have done in the same situation instead of defending himself with his firearm?

He was slowly pushing his car forward. Like I said about the 2nd video, that was a clear justified use of force. What reason do you have to believe that Gomez-Guerroro would have backed up his card and 'finished the job'. Do you think, from that video, that Gomez-Guerroro was actually trying to kill the officer? Is that you think?

 

[Correll]

You want people to abdicate freedom.

Submit to the thugs.

I want to see illegals deported back to their homes.

You want to use force to stop the enforcement of those laws.


You are the one fighting "freedom" in that you are fighting against OUR right to engage in the political process and advocate for our interests.

 

[Stann]

^^^^^ sappy drama queen.

You shouldn't talk about trump like that. This is his show after all

 

[Seymour Flops]

Here's the bad news for the left:

Making this crazy ***** who never worked a day in her life and abandoned her children to play amateur Brownshirt with her wife into some kind of anti-ICE martyr will not force Trump and Noem to give up their efforts to enforce the laws that the Autopen administration actively violated for four years.

2K more ICE agents are on their way. They had to be hired very quickly, due to the immigration disaster that Biden created, and I doubt that crowd control took up too much of that limited training time.

So, when they are attaced with deadly force, they will go the simplest defense, which is their issued firearm. Since all the members of this board can at least read and write, I'm sure you are smart enough to know not to go there and start harassing LEO's. But you might tell Cousin Pookie, Cousin Sylvia, or Cousin Cletus that Minneapolis is not a good place for them to go and act a foll.

 

[RedrickTheCoat]

Fleeing was not.

Striking a law enforcement with her vehicle was however grounds for lawful lethal response from the law enforcement officer.

It is truly unfortunate. But not an execution.

Do you think that she intentionally and deliberately was trying to hit the officer with her vehicle? Out of the following choices what do you think her primary goal was:

a. Leave the area to avoid the officers trying to get her out her car.
b. Strike down the officer that put themselves in front of her car?
c. Escape the immediate officers, and then turn her car around and try and run them down in her car

In 2022, when the DOJ updated their policy (this gets updated EXTREMELY rarely btw, the last update to it was in 2004), it included an update to the policy of 'Moving out the way of vehicles'.

"Firearms may not be discharged solely to disable moving vehicles. Specifically, firearms may not be discharged at a moving vehicle unless: (1) a person in the vehicle is threatening the officer or another person with deadly force by means other than the vehicle; or (2) the vehicle is operated in a manner that threatens to cause death or serious physical injury to the officer or others, and no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle. Firearms may not be discharged from a moving vehicle except in exigent circumstances. In these situations, an officer must have an articulable reason for this use of deadly force."

Alongside this, the Biden Executive Order 14074 (May 25, 2022), means that this DOJ update applies to all federal law enforcemnt agencies. Whether this was actually implemented by ICE is the question (The DHS has recently redacted the Use of Force policy -- how's that for transparency?). But I think this policy of moving out the way (when the driver has not given justifiable reason for the officer to believe that the person is a threat to other people if they are allowed to continue driving) is a good one.

And in terms of police departments around the US, any that don't yet have this policy, should enact it. I don't think there is any reason not to. Do you agree?

 

[Marener]

This isnt accurate though. The every day experience of law abiding versus those that are negative is vastly different.

Negative law enforcement encounters are almost always, not always, the result of disrespectful interaction by the citizen.

Citizens have the right to be disrespectful of cops.

We all know that cops will treat us poorly if we exercise protected speech. This is an admission that they’ve intimidated us into silence and that we don’t actually have free speech.

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

ICE needs to respect life. There’s no ‘both sides’ to this. What happened was an extra-judicial execution.

Naaawww…. Some crazy Dyke FAFO.

 

[Stann]

Here's the bad news for the left:

Making this crazy ***** who never worked a day in her life and abandoned her children to play amateur Brownshirt with her wife into some kind of anti-ICE martyr will not force Trump and Noem to give up their efforts to enforce the laws that the Autopen administration actively violated for four years.

2K more ICE agents are on their way. They had to be hired very quickly, due to the immigration disaster that Biden created, and I doubt that crowd control took up too much of that limited training time.

So, when they are attaced with deadly force, they will go the simplest defense, which is their issued firearm. Since all the members of this board can at least read and write, I'm sure you are smart enough to know not to go there and start harassing LEO's. But you might tell Cousin Pookie, Cousin Sylvia, or Cousin Cletus that Minneapolis is not a good place for them to go and act a foll.

And trump is fostering this climate of fear and division throughout the whole country with crazy actions like this.

 

[RedrickTheCoat]

Here's the bad news for the left:

Making this crazy ***** who never worked a day in her life and abandoned her children to play amateur Brownshirt with her wife into some kind of anti-ICE martyr will not force Trump and Noem to give up their efforts to enforce the laws that the Autopen administration actively violated for four years.

2K more ICE agents are on their way. They had to be hired very quickly, due to the immigration disaster that Biden created, and I doubt that crowd control took up too much of that limited training time.

So, when they are attaced with deadly force, they will go the simplest defense, which is their issued firearm. Since all the members of this board can at least read and write, I'm sure you are smart enough to know not to go there and start harassing LEO's. But you might tell Cousin Pookie, Cousin Sylvia, or Cousin Cletus that Minneapolis is not a good place for them to go and act a foll.

Here's some bad news for the right:

Reasonable people who watch this video will cringe at the fact the officer discharged their weapon.

Reasonable people will be disgusted at the fact that there are illegal immigrants being caught up in ICE's crackdown that were bought to this country as a young child. Imagine this, imagine being bought to this country as a 4 year old, or as a 5 year old, through no fault of your own. All you've ever known is America as far as your memories go. You might not even know the language of the country that ICE is trying to deport you to. You grow up in the US, all your memories, relationships, friendships, culture is American. And then ICE takes you and is trying to deport you to a country you don't know.

Why don't you take this video and go to some forums that are European based, and post the video, and ask them what they think of it? If it's as reasonable as you say it is. You must be shocked to find that many European countries navigate law enforcement without even being armed with a gun. But you snowflakes are too scared to move out the way of a car that is fleeing and not even intentionally trying to hit someone.

 

[Correll]

Citizens have the right to be disrespectful of cops.

We all know that cops will treat us poorly if we exercise protected speech. This is an admission that they’ve intimidated us into silence and that we don’t actually have free speech.

In this instance, the "verbal disrespect" led the woman to not only NOT get out of the car, but to drive towards an officer, putting his life at risk.

You are encouraging people to engage in a very dangerous activity, that puts lots of people's lives at risk.

This woman DIED, because of this little game of obstruction your side is playing.

Clearly that is a price you are willing to spend, if it gets you useful pr points.


How many more are you willing to get killed?

 

[Correll]

And trump is fostering this climate of fear and division throughout the whole country with crazy actions like this.

"crazy actions"?

He is enforcing the law. Our democratically enacted laws.

Your side is the one trying to stop the duly elected President from enforcing hte law, with a program of RESIST adn obstruction.


Even though people are literally dying in the streets, because of your actions.

 

[Stann]

Hopefully not a lot hop

In this instance, the "verbal disrespect" led the woman to not only NOT get out of the car, but to drive towards an officer, putting his life at risk.

You are encouraging people to engage in a very dangerous activity, that puts lots of people's lives at risk.

This woman DIED, because of this little game of obstruction your side is playing.

Clearly that is a price you are willing to spend, if it gets you useful pr points.


How many more are you willing to get killed?

Hopeully trump hasn't radicalized too many people on the left. GOD knows he's radicalized far too.many on the right already.
.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Immediately after shooting her, he said "fuckin *****".... which doesn't look good for him, at all

You might tend to say that when you get hit by a car. From what I understand he got hit before and had 38:stitches in his leg

Here's the video

 

[Stann]

You might tend to say that when you get hit by a car. From what I understand he got hit before and had 38:stitches in his leg

Here's the video

If he said that he just screwed himself.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Do you think that she intentionally and deliberately was trying to hit the officer with her vehicle? Out of the following choices what do you think her primary goal was:

a. Leave the area to avoid the officers trying to get her out her car.
b. Strike down the officer that put themselves in front of her car?
c. Escape the immediate officers, and then turn her car around and try and run them down in her car

In 2022, when the DOJ updated their policy (this gets updated EXTREMELY rarely btw, the last update to it was in 2004), it included an update to the policy of 'Moving out the way of vehicles'.

"Firearms may not be discharged solely to disable moving vehicles. Specifically, firearms may not be discharged at a moving vehicle unless: (1) a person in the vehicle is threatening the officer or another person with deadly force by means other than the vehicle; or (2) the vehicle is operated in a manner that threatens to cause death or serious physical injury to the officer or others, and no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle. Firearms may not be discharged from a moving vehicle except in exigent circumstances. In these situations, an officer must have an articulable reason for this use of deadly force."

Alongside this, the Biden Executive Order 14074 (May 25, 2022), means that this DOJ update applies to all federal law enforcemnt agencies. Whether this was actually implemented by ICE is the question (The DHS has recently redacted the Use of Force policy -- how's that for transparency?). But I think this policy of moving out the way (when the driver has not given justifiable reason for the officer to believe that the person is a threat to other people if they are allowed to continue driving) is a good one.

And in terms of police departments around the US, any that don't yet have this policy, should enact it. I don't think there is any reason not to. Do you agree?

ICE is not under the DOJ, Redrick.

Even if it were, this sentence:

(2) the vehicle is operated in a manner that threatens to cause death or serious physical injury to the officer or others,

is exactly what happened and forced the ICE Officer to defend himself.

 

[Stann]

IF that is accurate...it's yet more evidence that he shot her out of anger, not because he genuinely believed she was a threat to his life.

Immediately after shooting her, he said "fuckin *****".... which doesn't look good for him, at all.

As for all those saying she should have obeyed orders and gotten out of the car in the first place... I'm not condoning what she did. Maybe because she was familiar with their track record of excessive force, she didn't want to get beaten or pepper sprayed or worse. But even if her decision to flee was a bad one, fleeing alone is not a capital crime.

Makes him look more and more guilty. Too many officers are bigots. That is no.part of a good officers makeup.

 

[Hollie]

You shouldn't talk about trump like that. This is his show after all

Nonsense. This is the democrat Clown Show.