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[Rigby5]

Ah, so you support the terrorists.

No worries, that isn't a view social media objects to, no one is going to suspend you for being a Taliban

When did the Taliban ever commit terrorism?

 

[Rogue AI]

Only an idiot would take your word for it. You're obviously extremely undereducated about how this works.

Yet you have to ask questions about everything that should be common knowledge to everyone who is even moderately literate. Are you from Oregon? That would explain some things. All indications point to you being an idiot, not sure what your point is.

 

[Asclepias]

Yet you have to ask questions about everything that should be common knowledge to everyone who is even moderately literate.

Just trying to get you to use your brain. Sorry if that angers you.

 

[JustAGuy1]

Yet you have to ask questions about everything that should be common knowledge to everyone who is even moderately literate. Are you from Oregon? That would explain some things. All indications point to you being an idiot, not sure what your point is.

Naa, he is in Oakland, that is just as jut as bad.

 

[OKTexas]

I am an Irish citizen, living in Ireland

I am an American too and can say straight up that Biden is a good man and not a POS.

Funny, all I'm seeing is a fucking liar.

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[kaz]

Biden is prez. If he doesnt want any more american military killed thats his prerogative.

Yes, and he gets the blame for the consequences of how ineptly he handled it. Of course as a Taliban you love it

 

[kaz]

Its not a question of right or wrong. Its a question of reality. If you helped the invaders the Taliban is going to kill your ass or imprison you. Everyone that has 2 brain cells to rub together knows that.

Which is why we should have taken them out before taking out the military rather than leaving them there to get what terrorists like you think is justice

 

[kaz]

When did the Taliban ever commit terrorism?

You mean besides 9/11? Or don't you think the driver of the car is guilty of bank robbery?

Beyond that, there is no military value to all the people they kill, it's a warning. Which means by definition it's terrorism as it's just to scare others into compliance

 

[Rogue AI]

Just trying to get you to use your brain. Sorry if that angers you.

Yeah, I see the problem now. You ask questions because you don't know, and expect me to use my brain to answer them for you. It doesn't anger me, but it certainly makes me pity such an ignorant fool as you.

 

[Asclepias]

Which is why we should have taken them out before taking out the military rather than leaving them there to get what terrorists like you think is justice

How would you have done that if you didnt know where they were or even how many there were?

 

[Asclepias]

You ask questions because you don't know, and expect me to use my brain to answer them for you.

No I ask you questions so you can think instead of being a drama queen.

 

[georgephillip]

The Taliban offered up OBL three times.. The first was in 1998 after the bombing of the USS Cole.

There's an Afghan-American who was retained as a Taliban intermediary by both the Clinton and Bush Administration who agrees with you:

How Bush Was Offered Bin Laden and Blew It - CounterPunch.org

"Kabir Mohabbat is a 48-year businessman in Houston, Texas.

"Born in Paktia province in southern Afghanistan, he’s from the Jaji clan (from which also came Afghanistan’s last king).

"Educated at St Louis University, he spent much of the 1980s supervising foreign relations for the Afghan mujahiddeen, where he developed extensive contacts with the US foreign policy establishment, also with senior members of the Taliban..."

"Kabir Mohabbat’s final trip to Afghanistan on the US government payroll took place on September 3, 2001.

"On September 11 Mohabbat acted as translator for some of the Taliban leadership in Kabul as they watched tv coverage of the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

"Four days later the US State Department asked Mohabbat to set up a meeting with the Taliban. Mohabbat says the Taliban were flown to Quetta in two C-130s.

"There they agreed to the three demands sought by the US team: 1. Immediate handover of bin Laden; 2. Extradition of foreigners in Al Qaeda who were wanted in their home countries; 3. shut-down of bin Laden’s bases and training camps.

"Mohabbat says the Taliban agreed to all three demands."

 

[surada]

There's an Afghan-American who was retained as a Taliban intermediary by both the Clinton and Bush Administration who agrees with you:

How Bush Was Offered Bin Laden and Blew It - CounterPunch.org

"Kabir Mohabbat is a 48-year businessman in Houston, Texas.

"Born in Paktia province in southern Afghanistan, he’s from the Jaji clan (from which also came Afghanistan’s last king).

"Educated at St Louis University, he spent much of the 1980s supervising foreign relations for the Afghan mujahiddeen, where he developed extensive contacts with the US foreign policy establishment, also with senior members of the Taliban..."

"Kabir Mohabbat’s final trip to Afghanistan on the US government payroll took place on September 3, 2001.

"On September 11 Mohabbat acted as translator for some of the Taliban leadership in Kabul as they watched tv coverage of the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

"Four days later the US State Department asked Mohabbat to set up a meeting with the Taliban. Mohabbat says the Taliban were flown to Quetta in two C-130s.

"There they agreed to the three demands sought by the US team: 1. Immediate handover of bin Laden; 2. Extradition of foreigners in Al Qaeda who were wanted in their home countries; 3. shut-down of bin Laden’s bases and training camps.

"Mohabbat says the Taliban agreed to all three demands."

Thank you, george.

 

[Rogue AI]

No I ask you questions so you can think instead of being a drama queen.

You calling anyone a drama queen is the height of hypocrisy. You ask questions so you can throw a TDS tantrum when you don't like the answer.

 

[surada]

There's an Afghan-American who was retained as a Taliban intermediary by both the Clinton and Bush Administration who agrees with you:

How Bush Was Offered Bin Laden and Blew It - CounterPunch.org

"Kabir Mohabbat is a 48-year businessman in Houston, Texas.

"Born in Paktia province in southern Afghanistan, he’s from the Jaji clan (from which also came Afghanistan’s last king).

"Educated at St Louis University, he spent much of the 1980s supervising foreign relations for the Afghan mujahiddeen, where he developed extensive contacts with the US foreign policy establishment, also with senior members of the Taliban..."

"Kabir Mohabbat’s final trip to Afghanistan on the US government payroll took place on September 3, 2001.

"On September 11 Mohabbat acted as translator for some of the Taliban leadership in Kabul as they watched tv coverage of the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

"Four days later the US State Department asked Mohabbat to set up a meeting with the Taliban. Mohabbat says the Taliban were flown to Quetta in two C-130s.

"There they agreed to the three demands sought by the US team: 1. Immediate handover of bin Laden; 2. Extradition of foreigners in Al Qaeda who were wanted in their home countries; 3. shut-down of bin Laden’s bases and training camps.

"Mohabbat says the Taliban agreed to all three demands."

 

[Nostra]

Such is the art of the deal.

Trump Administration Has Drastically Dropped Visas For Afghan And Iraqi Interpreters
May 1, 2019 5:10 AM ET

In light of the sacrifice made by Iraqis and Afghans who assisted U.S. forces, Congress created the Special Immigrant Visa Program to get them and their families to safety in the U.S. Farley says it was about gratitude and also an incentive for local nationals to help U.S. troops. Now veterans such as Farley, as well as dozens of lawmakers, say they're afraid the promise they made is being broken. Under the Trump administration, the number coming to the U.S. has dropped drastically.



Trump Attacks Biden For Afghanistan Chaos After Giving Taliban The Deal That Ensured It
Trump referred to the terrorist group as great “warriors” and even suggested they have a right to rule the country.
08/19/2021

“We had a good long conversation today and, you know, they want to cease the violence. They’d like to cease violence also,” Trump said on March 3, 2020, just days after the agreement ― which was made with the Taliban but not the U.S.-allied Afghan government ― was signed.

He told reporters he’d had a 35-minute phone call with the Taliban leader and had told him: “It is a pleasure to talk to you. You are a tough people and have a great country, and I understand that you are fighting for your homeland.”

Six months later, Trump said at a news conference: “They’re very tough, they’re very smart, they’re very sharp.”

Even now, with the Taliban having overrun the Afghan government and taken back control, Trump continued praising the group, known for its murderous, theocratic tactics. “I will tell you they’re good fighters. You have to give them credit for that. They’ve been fighting for a thousand years. That’s what they do is they fight,” Trump told Fox Business on Tuesday.

At one point, Trump even claimed that the Taliban would take over the counterterrorism operation the United States had been basing out of Afghanistan. “They will be killing terrorists. They will be killing some very bad people. They will keep that fight going,” Trump said.

In fact, by the time of the February 2020 agreement, the Taliban had essentially merged with al Qaeda, the terrorist group it had harbored leading up to the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on America. The Taliban’s refusal to hand over Osama bin Laden and other al Qaeda leaders to the U.S. was the basis for the U.S. invasion and removal of the Taliban from power in the first place.

“I was at a loss as to where he got a lot of his information,” a Trump White House official said on condition of anonymity.

Indeed, as Trump and some of his top aides attack Biden for the chaotic departure from Kabul that threatens to leave Americans as well as Afghan nationals who helped the U.S. to the mercy of the Taliban regime, they do so despite having set up the conditions that made a smooth evacuation and withdrawal nearly impossible without yet another troop surge.

That the deal was negotiated with the Taliban, without the Afghan government, immediately sent signals about their future. The Taliban’s lead negotiator, in fact, was released from a Pakistan prison at Trump’s request.

And in one of his final acts before leaving office, Trump reduced the U.S. military presence in the country to just 2,500 troops ― not nearly enough to maintain control of Kabul, let alone all the major cities and military installations, including Bagram Air Base, without the help of the Afghan government’s police force and army.

Those security units, however, largely surrendered or simply vanished as a Taliban sweep of the country looked ever more inevitable.

Trump Attacks Biden For Afghanistan Chaos After Giving Taliban The Deal That Ensured It

Trump referred to the terrorist group as great "warriors" and even suggested they have a right to rule the country.

www.huffpost.com

Trump's deal with the Taliban set the stage for the Afghan collapse

History will mark Aug. 15, 2021, as the date that the Afghan government collapsed and the Taliban retook control over this troubled and war-torn country. But the real date that the Taliban's victory was assured is Feb. 29, 2020, the day the Trump administration signed what it characterized as a "peace" deal with the Taliban. Once this agreement was signed - the tragic collapse we witnessed this weekend was inevitable.

Of course, the agreement was not, and could not possibly have been, a "peace" deal since one of the parties currently at war - the Afghan government - was not a signatory. Rather, this was a "withdrawal" agreement between the U.S. and the Taliban that set the terms for the complete departure of American troops from Afghanistan by May 2021.

What did the United States gain in exchange for this withdrawal, for which the Taliban had been fighting for 20 years? Nothing but vague, unenforceable promises that the Taliban would not engage in hostilities against the departing U.S. troops and would "send a clear message" to al Qaeda that it "had no place" in Afghanistan. So eager Trump was to withdraw, we did not even hold out for a clear, firm commitment that the Taliban would not provide aid, safe harbor or weaponry to al Qaeda and like-minded groups. The agreement contained no enforcement mechanisms and included no penalties on the Taliban for failing to comply with its terms.

The fact that the United States entered into negotiations and then an agreement with the Taliban, without even inviting the Afghan government to the table, undercut the power and legitimacy of the government. The citizenry, including those in the national armed services and police, could plainly see that its own government was being ignored, a helpless bystander in critical discussions about the country's future. After we had cut the legs out from under this government and rendered it a paper tiger, it is no wonder that when those serving in the Afghan army and police were asked to fight, most said, "No, thanks."

Trump's deal with the Taliban set the stage for the Afghan collapse

Clusterfuck Joe has a message for the families of the thousands of Americans he left to the mercy of the "Tollybon".

 

[NoNukes]

Funny, all I'm seeing is a fucking liar.

.

I have dual citizenship. You should think before calling names.

 

[kaz]

How would you have done that if you didnt know where they were or even how many there were?

I'd have left them there along with the majority of people who I did know where they were and just pulled out and lef them there.

No wait, that isn't my strategy, it was Biden's ...

What you committed is a false premise fallacy.

 

[Lesh]

Biden has gotten over 40,000 people out since July

 

[kaz]

Biden has gotten over 40,000 people out since July

Well, there you go then. So the tens of thousands Biden left to be beaten, harassed and murdered is OK then.

Jackass ...