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Trump Administration Has Drastically Dropped Visas For Afghan And Iraqi Interpreters
May 1, 2019 5:10 AM ET

In light of the sacrifice made by Iraqis and Afghans who assisted U.S. forces, Congress created the Special Immigrant Visa Program to get them and their families to safety in the U.S. Farley says it was about gratitude and also an incentive for local nationals to help U.S. troops. Now veterans such as Farley, as well as dozens of lawmakers, say they're afraid the promise they made is being broken. Under the Trump administration, the number coming to the U.S. has dropped drastically.


Trump Attacks Biden For Afghanistan Chaos After Giving Taliban The Deal That Ensured It
Trump referred to the terrorist group as great “warriors” and even suggested they have a right to rule the country.
08/19/2021

“We had a good long conversation today and, you know, they want to cease the violence. They’d like to cease violence also,” Trump said on March 3, 2020, just days after the agreement ― which was made with the Taliban but not the U.S.-allied Afghan government ― was signed.

He told reporters he’d had a 35-minute phone call with the Taliban leader and had told him: “It is a pleasure to talk to you. You are a tough people and have a great country, and I understand that you are fighting for your homeland.”

Six months later, Trump said at a news conference: “They’re very tough, they’re very smart, they’re very sharp.”

Even now, with the Taliban having overrun the Afghan government and taken back control, Trump continued praising the group, known for its murderous, theocratic tactics. “I will tell you they’re good fighters. You have to give them credit for that. They’ve been fighting for a thousand years. That’s what they do is they fight,” Trump told Fox Business on Tuesday.

At one point, Trump even claimed that the Taliban would take over the counterterrorism operation the United States had been basing out of Afghanistan. “They will be killing terrorists. They will be killing some very bad people. They will keep that fight going,” Trump said.

In fact, by the time of the February 2020 agreement, the Taliban had essentially merged with al Qaeda, the terrorist group it had harbored leading up to the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on America. The Taliban’s refusal to hand over Osama bin Laden and other al Qaeda leaders to the U.S. was the basis for the U.S. invasion and removal of the Taliban from power in the first place.

“I was at a loss as to where he got a lot of his information,” a Trump White House official said on condition of anonymity.

Indeed, as Trump and some of his top aides attack Biden for the chaotic departure from Kabul that threatens to leave Americans as well as Afghan nationals who helped the U.S. to the mercy of the Taliban regime, they do so despite having set up the conditions that made a smooth evacuation and withdrawal nearly impossible without yet another troop surge.

That the deal was negotiated with the Taliban, without the Afghan government, immediately sent signals about their future. The Taliban’s lead negotiator, in fact, was released from a Pakistan prison at Trump’s request.

And in one of his final acts before leaving office, Trump reduced the U.S. military presence in the country to just 2,500 troops ― not nearly enough to maintain control of Kabul, let alone all the major cities and military installations, including Bagram Air Base, without the help of the Afghan government’s police force and army.

Those security units, however, largely surrendered or simply vanished as a Taliban sweep of the country looked ever more inevitable.


Trump's deal with the Taliban set the stage for the Afghan collapse

History will mark Aug. 15, 2021, as the date that the Afghan government collapsed and the Taliban retook control over this troubled and war-torn country. But the real date that the Taliban's victory was assured is Feb. 29, 2020, the day the Trump administration signed what it characterized as a "peace" deal with the Taliban. Once this agreement was signed - the tragic collapse we witnessed this weekend was inevitable.

Of course, the agreement was not, and could not possibly have been, a "peace" deal since one of the parties currently at war - the Afghan government - was not a signatory. Rather, this was a "withdrawal" agreement between the U.S. and the Taliban that set the terms for the complete departure of American troops from Afghanistan by May 2021.

What did the United States gain in exchange for this withdrawal, for which the Taliban had been fighting for 20 years? Nothing but vague, unenforceable promises that the Taliban would not engage in hostilities against the departing U.S. troops and would "send a clear message" to al Qaeda that it "had no place" in Afghanistan. So eager Trump was to withdraw, we did not even hold out for a clear, firm commitment that the Taliban would not provide aid, safe harbor or weaponry to al Qaeda and like-minded groups. The agreement contained no enforcement mechanisms and included no penalties on the Taliban for failing to comply with its terms.

The fact that the United States entered into negotiations and then an agreement with the Taliban, without even inviting the Afghan government to the table, undercut the power and legitimacy of the government. The citizenry, including those in the national armed services and police, could plainly see that its own government was being ignored, a helpless bystander in critical discussions about the country's future. After we had cut the legs out from under this government and rendered it a paper tiger, it is no wonder that when those serving in the Afghan army and police were asked to fight, most said, "No, thanks."

You're wasting your time trying blame Trump for this disaster. No one is swallowing it. The idea that Biden couldn't done anything about it if he didn't like the terms doesn't pass the laugh test. The fact is he ignored the terms of the deal when he changes the date for the American military to leave.
 

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Trump Administration Has Drastically Dropped Visas For Afghan And Iraqi Interpreters
These people don't fit in with the rest of America and you know it.
 

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Wow!
The Democrats care?
The Democrats deserted them in the middle of the night!


Democrats care? Yet they did nothing but run away like cowards in the middle of the night.
 

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What must really be said, is the Democrats used this all they could as a poltical hit piece, got as much press out of it as they could, and then turned their backs on the Afghanistan people.
 

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Over two years ago I started reading reports about our Afghan supporters given papers and told to get in line for removal. With little to no movement. WHY?
With Americans having notice over a year ago that we were withdrawing Why were they still there last month?
Name me one war that we had a nice clean withdraw from.
No one is saying mistakes were not made, History/ Reality tells us that war is about death destruction and disorder. We are out that's what every one wanted Yes???
 

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Have you ever had a US Passport?


I fail to see how that's relevant to a piece of eurotrash that can't figure out where his allegiance lies, but yes.

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Trump had no plan
Trump wasn't the president that fucked up AFG, that was Putin's Whore, Joe Xiden.
Stupid Xiden is a catastrophe, a disaster, a moron. Stop blaming Trump for Joe's disaster.
AFG happened on Joe's watch, he managed it, he is 100% responsible for the AFG disaster.
Hell, even the Brits hold Joe in CONTEMPT.
 

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What must really be said, is the Democrats used this all they could as a poltical hit piece, got as much press out of it as they could, and then turned their backs on the Afghanistan people.
20 years in country is hardly turning a back.
 

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you are right, but retreating in the middle of the night and allowing terrorists to take over the country while leaving behind americans is
We didn't retreat in the middle of the night. President Biden didn't deal with terrorists the former president did and any American left behind either didn't follow the news or didn't want to leave.
 

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We didn't retreat in the middle of the night. President Biden didn't deal with terrorists the former president did and any American left behind either didn't follow the news or didn't want to leave.
You could be right, President does have dementia, so it is possible he simply does not what is going on as you said.

That is why I like to state Democrats.

Democrats deserted, surrendered, and retreated from Afghanistan in the middle of the night leaving women and children behind.
 

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You could be right, President does have dementia, so it is possible he simply does not what is going on as you said.

That is why I like to state Democrats.

Democrats deserted, surrendered, and retreated from Afghanistan in the middle of the night leaving women and children behind.
President Biden stated that he was ending the occupation, set a date and stuck to it. We brought out 124,000 people.

The former president negotiated a surrender with terrorists and kicked leaving to the next president. Where was his fucking spine?
 

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President Biden stated that he was ending the occupation, set a date and stuck to it. We brought out 124,000 people.

The former president negotiated a surrender with terrorists and kicked leaving to the next president. Where was his fucking spine?
The Democrats set a date? The democrats surrendered military equipment and a fortified air base to terrorists leaving behind women and children.

The Taliban then gave Biden a second chance at getting some Americans out, dictating when Biden will be out.

That takes a lot of spine and balls, to do the wrong thing when you know better.
 

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The Democrats set a date? The democrats surrendered military equipment and a fortified air base to terrorists leaving behind women and children.

The Taliban then gave Biden a second chance at getting some Americans out, dictating when Biden will be out.

That takes a lot of spine and balls, to do the wrong thing when you know better.
Yes, you surely realize that 8/31/2021 is a date. Yes, we withdrew from our bases and left some equipment (most with the Afgan Army) because we were leaving.

Is that a fucking hard thing for you to understand?

If it doesn't take a lot of spine, why did your maga fuckup leader kick the can on the end of the occupation?
 

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