From your tone I can see that we are at opposite ends of this discussion. Although I can sense that you have a compelling urge to assess blame this isn't about discriminatory practices. Let me say this again serving in the military isn't a right. Serving is an earned privilege. If this were not the case no one would wash out during Ranger, or Sniper training.
Those who complete such a rigorous training regime form a special bond, and a profound trust. That aspect would be missing if standards were set low enough so that everyone could qualify. That in its self would hurt the military, and reduce combat readiness. There are those ugly words again; high standards, qualify, earned trust, respect, loyalty, personal courage. Gays serving openly will weaken us.
Yes Grace, I am fascinated with the word trust. Trust, and the value of team is instilled in everyone who has served. The only ones who disagree with these concepts are found with in the gay community.
Gaybikersailor, I'm continuously amused at the liberal practice of incoherent personal attacks when you folks can't make a credible argument. There is a long history of excluding gays from the ranks of the American armed forces. Gays can't qualify to serve for obvious reasons. That is why serving gays have been discharged where they have been found. Openly serving gays will undermine core military values such as trust, team, history, and traditions.
The CinC, as are most liberals is not a friend of the US Military. Obama's actions are about to undermine years of achievement and tradition. The only ones who will be happy about this are his rump rangers.
If you weren't so anally retentive you would admit to the fact that 6 month HIV screening is just a feel good, cover your ass measure (I hope that didn't excite you too much.) It doesn't solve the problem. Even you, "the personnel man", should know that HIV screening today wont stop you from engaging in unprotected, deviant sex tomorrow. The chances are great that you would become infected. How much damage could you do over the ensuing months before your next screening? Oops! Here is another reason why gays shouldn't be allowed to serve isn't it.
Because in some units the commanders did take action, and in others DADT was used by people to get out rather than deploy.
From your tone I can see that we are at opposite ends of this discussion. Although I can sense that you have a compelling urge to assess blame this isn't about discriminatory practices. Let me say this again serving in the military isn't a right. Serving is an earned privilege. If this were not the case no one would wash out during Ranger, or Sniper training.
Those who complete such a rigorous training regime form a special bond, and a profound trust. That aspect would be missing if standards were set low enough so that everyone could qualify. That in its self would hurt the military, and reduce combat readiness. There are those ugly words again; high standards, qualify, earned trust, respect, loyalty, personal courage. Gays serving openly will weaken us.
Yes Grace, I am fascinated with the word trust. Trust, and the value of team is instilled in everyone who has served. The only ones who disagree with these concepts are found with in the gay community.
Gaybikersailor, I'm continuously amused at the liberal practice of incoherent personal attacks when you folks can't make a credible argument. There is a long history of excluding gays from the ranks of the American armed forces. Gays can't qualify to serve for obvious reasons. That is why serving gays have been discharged where they have been found. Openly serving gays will undermine core military values such as trust, team, history, and traditions.
The CinC, as are most liberals is not a friend of the US Military. Obama's actions are about to undermine years of achievement and tradition. The only ones who will be happy about this are his rump rangers.
If you weren't so anally retentive you would admit to the fact that 6 month HIV screening is just a feel good, cover your ass measure (I hope that didn't excite you too much.) It doesn't solve the problem. Even you, "the personnel man", should know that HIV screening today wont stop you from engaging in unprotected, deviant sex tomorrow. The chances are great that you would become infected. How much damage could you do over the ensuing months before your next screening? Oops! Here is another reason why gays shouldn't be allowed to serve isn't it.
What cracks me up about gaybiker is he pretends to defend gays and gay rights but then his most vicious and derogatory attacks he can come up with to flame you are calling you gay or infering you engage in homosexual practices. he demeans gays more than anyone on this board
From your tone I can see that we are at opposite ends of this discussion. Although I can sense that you have a compelling urge to assess blame this isn't about discriminatory practices. Let me say this again serving in the military isn't a right. Serving is an earned privilege. If this were not the case no one would wash out during Ranger, or Sniper training.
Those who complete such a rigorous training regime form a special bond, and a profound trust. That aspect would be missing if standards were set low enough so that everyone could qualify. That in its self would hurt the military, and reduce combat readiness. There are those ugly words again; high standards, qualify, earned trust, respect, loyalty, personal courage. Gays serving openly will weaken us.
Yes Grace, I am fascinated with the word trust. Trust, and the value of team is instilled in everyone who has served. The only ones who disagree with these concepts are found with in the gay community.
Gaybikersailor, I'm continuously amused at the liberal practice of incoherent personal attacks when you folks can't make a credible argument. There is a long history of excluding gays from the ranks of the American armed forces. Gays can't qualify to serve for obvious reasons. That is why serving gays have been discharged where they have been found. Openly serving gays will undermine core military values such as trust, team, history, and traditions.
The CinC, as are most liberals is not a friend of the US Military. Obama's actions are about to undermine years of achievement and tradition. The only ones who will be happy about this are his rump rangers.
If you weren't so anally retentive you would admit to the fact that 6 month HIV screening is just a feel good, cover your ass measure (I hope that didn't excite you too much.) It doesn't solve the problem. Even you, "the personnel man", should know that HIV screening today wont stop you from engaging in unprotected, deviant sex tomorrow. The chances are great that you would become infected. How much damage could you do over the ensuing months before your next screening? Oops! Here is another reason why gays shouldn't be allowed to serve isn't it.
What cracks me up about gaybiker is he pretends to defend gays and gay rights but then his most vicious and derogatory attacks he can come up with to flame you are calling you gay or infering you engage in homosexual practices. he demeans gays more than anyone on this board
Yeah, I am sure you find vicious, demeaning and derogatory attacks against gays and lesbians insulting.
You are full of shit.
If that doesn't close the book on your dumb ass nothing will.
I thought we were talking about happy people here?
