The Troops are concerned about gays serving openly.

[ABikerSailor]

the commander and chief has the only ward that counts ,you can whine all you please or just shut up and serve .
just like integration in the military .

OK, you proved that you know nothing about the military. Did you maybe mean Commander in Chief?

oh **** you, you know who I meant ,
and your right its been a long time since I served , but it seems to me you so called professionals are vary whiny .

maybe now you have rights , but it wasn't always so , you did what you were told served alongside who you were told ,

we had a better attitude .

Actually, yes. We did. I remember a DP onboard the ship who was queer as a 3 dollar bill. We were all sitting around at chow when someone started talking about someone who got a shot glass stuck in their ass. Landphier didn't even blink......he stated that he could shove something like that UP his ass and would also be able to pass it back out again. We all knew he was gay, but because he was such a decent dude (as well as knew more about the computers onboard than ANYONE), he was allowed to finish his enlistment.

Nobody bitched about working with him, because we were all professionals and recognized that Landphier was the best computer tech on the waterfront.

Besides, wanna talk about Lt. Dan Cho? He was a FLUENT ARABIC SPEAKER, as well as was out on the front lines calling down airstrikes. Highly decorated, loved by his unit (who also knew he was gay), but kicked out because someone caught a rumor that he was gay.

Same deal with an Air Force pilot who received a DFC (Distinguished Flying Cross) with a V for valor for being in combat. Know what he did? He saved an entire squad by laying down cover fire for them. That unit would have been killed if it wasn't for him. Oh yeah.....somone saw one of his e-mails, figured out he was gay, and then they kicked him out.

Sure........tell me gays don't contribute SIGNIFICANTLY to combat operations.

 

[Dot Com]

 

[Steve Hanson]

What were you saying about my many **** ups around here? based on your criteriea, you are the troll.

they could have always let the gay guys do the womens jobs

After I retired in 2002, I didn't see the inside of anything Navy until around 2008. Why? Because I didn't need to go to the base. I finally got to talk to someone when I had to take care of some stuff and used the Reservist station to make my phone calls.

Like I said, they changed it over in 2003 after I left. You don't make mistakes? You sure as **** have all over these boards.

Hey Spoonertard.......**** off ya goddamn pedant, go please purists.

mmmmm care to point out some of my mistakes?

Well that's what happens when you spend your career in the bowls of a ship.

Dude, I'm telling you. He rides a Vespa.

 

[Steve Hanson]

Both. The target is n the other direction.

 

[Spoonman]

After I retired in 2002, I didn't see the inside of anything Navy until around 2008. Why? Because I didn't need to go to the base. I finally got to talk to someone when I had to take care of some stuff and used the Reservist station to make my phone calls.

Like I said, they changed it over in 2003 after I left. You don't make mistakes? You sure as **** have all over these boards.

Hey Spoonertard.......**** off ya goddamn pedant, go please purists.

mmmmm care to point out some of my mistakes?

Well that's what happens when you spend your career in the bowls of a ship.

Dude, I'm telling you. He rides a Vespa.

Worse, I think it's a Schwin

 

[Spoonman]

Tell ya what you retarded colon jousting goo gobbling cock monster, I'll give you a name........LT Roux who served at the Naval War College in the mid 90's, was my OIC at the PSD. Because during that summer, I'd ridden a bicycle from Jacksonville Fl to Newport RI in 12 days (1100 miles in 12 days, average was 93 miles/day), he called me into his office and asked me if I'd be the PRT Coordinator. I told him yes, but during the time that I was supposed to be in charge (positional authority), he had to follow what I instructed.

He was cool with that.

Prior to my taking over? We had a couple of outstandings, one or two excellents, with mostly sat, with maybe 2 unsats. 6 months after I took over? Several outstandings (of which the LT and I competed for bragging rights to be the highest command score, and it usually ended up being only separated by 1 or 2 points. Most of the others were excellents, with one or two sats. After my performance on the first cycle, the PRT job was mine until I left Newport. On occasion, some of his fellow OIC's would come around and ask him how he turned his whole PRT program around. If he liked them, he'd bring 'em by my desk and introduce me as his "secret weapon".

So tell ya what chumpsteak, go beat your chest (or whatever it is that you usually beat), and quit bugging me. You ain't impressing anyone here.

50 bucks says you removed the seat from the seat mounting tube before riding

Really? I'd like to see ya cover that bet asshole.

I used to race, and yeah........I've had a seat post bolt explode from under me.

No. You can't ride a bike without a seat.

Where's my fifty bucks asshole?

100 bucks says you had it set up so every time you pedaled the seat rod rose up and down, or should I say in and out.

 

[Spoonman]

Tell ya what ya retarded little troll..........based on the many **** ups you've posted around here, I'd be willing to bet your knowledge of the military is only what you can get from Google.

And yeah........FWIW, many people considered secretary work (which means admin work), is a chicks job. Only thing is........people still gotta get paid and service records still gotta have entries, as well as the EPAD needs to be kept up to date, and women used to not be allowed on combat vessels until around 1985 or so. They still can't go on subs either.

PS? I stand corrected. The reservist I was talking to at the station here out in Amarillo called 'em PK's, I guess because he saw they'd combined PN and DK and thought that's what it was.

You on the other hand are still totally screwed about your views on military readiness being impacted by repeal of DADT.

What were you saying about my many **** ups around here? based on your criteriea, you are the troll.

they could have always let the gay guys do the womens jobs

After I retired in 2002, I didn't see the inside of anything Navy until around 2008. Why? Because I didn't need to go to the base. I finally got to talk to someone when I had to take care of some stuff and used the Reservist station to make my phone calls.

Like I said, they changed it over in 2003 after I left. You don't make mistakes? You sure as **** have all over these boards.

Hey Spoonertard.......**** off ya goddamn pedant, go please purists.

You know what GayBIkerSailor you are the biggest biggoted POS here. You really are the typical liberal. So full of shit. You sit here arguing you are all pro gay and pising down on everyone who has a disagreement with DADT. But in typical liberal fashion with your hypocritical mind you piss and shit on gays with your ignorance. Why is it that every pro gay liberal is the first one to use a derogatory gay reference as a slight to the person they are arguing with? Like calling them a ***.

Really, let's take a look at afew excerpts of your pro gay position

Quotes I might add -

Either put up or shut up you penis puffing tea bagging colon jouster from hell

I already told ya once you sperm drooling cock monkey.......I was a PN.

Like I said you colon jousting retard, it's the ENGINEERS who hang out in the bowels of the ship.

Tell ya what you retarded colon jousting goo gobbling cock monster

I haven't made one derogatory comment about gays in my argument. I've just dissagreed and stated I don't feel the military is the place to be fighting the gay agenda. Do that in congress. Fight for gay rights on a full scale level. Don't pick the military where lives are on the line. don't force soldiers who are being asked to fight and have each others backs to make a decision which side of the fence they are on. i've stated my point with out attacking the person or the lifestyle.

You on the other hand reek of hypocriscy. You can't even make a point with out throwing a smear at the lifestyle you say you are fighting for. Obviously you loath and detest it if your most degrading insults spit in the face of their sexual activities. You are a real piece of work. But such a typical liberal. Textbook, classic. I see it all the time.

I think I'll take a page out of your book by going and defending civil rights issues by calling everyone spear chucking, watermellon eating nappy headed ho's.

I'm sure you are just the sort of fair weather friend the gay movement in this country needs.

Another point of view you can unec me for.

 

[ABikerSailor]

mmmmm care to point out some of my mistakes?

Well that's what happens when you spend your career in the bowls of a ship.

Dude, I'm telling you. He rides a Vespa.

Worse, I think it's a Schwin

Actually, it's a Lemond Zurich with Campagnolo Mirage Ergo power shifters and Mavic Cosmic rims with a 2 inch rim.

I've had it up to 65 mph. What about you?

 

[Seawytch]

BTW, You are dreaming if you think everything is all rainbows and kids today just love the gays. You can't legislate tolerance. It didn't work with the blacks a half century later.

Not saying that everyone does, but "kids today" are a damn site more tolerant than the bigots of yesterday. A look at gay marriage polling tells you that. Opposition to gay marriage practically disappears with those under 30.

Removing DADT isn't legislating tolerance, it is no longer legislating intolerance. HUGE difference.

The day of the homophobe is gone. I'm not sad to see it go...

 

[Seawytch]

Top NCO: Marines Stay Despite DADT’s End

The next Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps says repealing the ban on gays serving openly hasn't caused leathernecks to head for the exits.

In an interview today with Military.com, Sgt. Maj. Michael Barrett said he has seen no evidence that Marines are leaving because of the repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell.

"I have not. You know, we have our direction and like the Marine Corps has always done we will carry out the mission at hand," Barrett said in a telephone interview. "It is important that we value the diversity and background and the culture and the skills that all the Marines bring to the service of the nation."

So his boss is against it

Marine chief: 'don't ask, don't tell' repeal could be deadly 'distraction'
Gen. James Amos, commandant of the Marines, defended his position that 'don't ask, don't tell' should not be repealed, saying a repeal could cause problems among combat troops.

Marine chief: 'don't ask, don't tell' repeal could be deadly 'distraction' - CSMonitor.com

And yet this is what General Amos had to say recently:

When asked "What is your current professional military judgement about the risk to military effectiveness?", the four military Chiefs said:


- GEN. JAMES AMOS – CHIEF OF THE MARINE CORPS: “And I’m looking for specifically for issues coming out of the Tier II and Tier III training and to be honest with you, Chairman, we’ve not seen it…there hasn’t been the recalcitrant push back, there hasn’t been the anxiety over it from the forces in the field.”

 

[Seawytch]

IDK. I still believe the reason you go into the military is to serve you country. Not to further a personal cause.

Gays and lesbians join the service for the EXACT same reasons anybody joins. They join to serve their country, to get college money, because the job market sucks, etc. Nobody is joining to "further a personal cause". Gays join for the EXACT SAME reason straights do...soon they will be able to serve under the EXACT SAME rules too. YAY!

 

[Seawytch]

Interestingly enough, most of the people who state that gays should not be allowed to serve are people who have never served, nor will they, because they are too cowardly to put their own butts on the line.

Most people who are active duty today, really don't care if gays serve or not.

Dude you hung out in the bowels of a ship. Put your ass on the line and join the real fighting.

Service is service. With our current all volunteer military, anyone who has taken the oath to serve deserves that their service be respected. Don't be a douche.

 

[Seawytch]

Interestingly enough, most of the people who state that gays should not be allowed to serve are people who have never served, nor will they, because they are too cowardly to put their own butts on the line.

Most people who are active duty today, really don't care if gays serve or not.

I'm not so certain that can be proven to be true.

It can if you read the Pentagon study. It can if you look at ANY US poll on the issue of DADT. Those opposed are a small minority these days.

 

[yota5]

My son is visiting from Huston. He is an OIF vet with the 101st. ABN. He has reviewed this thread. While his unit was mobilizing to go to Iraq his unit had an up-spike in self outing gays. Even when their commanders refused their request for immediate discharge the gays persisted. These self confessed rump rangers would turn in pics of themselves riding, or being ridden dirty. That worked every time. The feeling of the troops is that sexual deviants can't be trusted. Sexual deviants will damage unit cohesiveness, and combat readiness. The troops have been ordered silent.

Many of you who've responded to this thread are self confessed gays. All of you consider serving in the military a right. Yet you ignore your own experience which tells you that serving is an earned privilege. If this wasn't so we would see many more incompetent pilots, surgeons, and commanders. The SOP that is in place compliments the military as a whole. Individual feelings aren't considered. Team is the first concept that a new recruit is taught. Team's first requirement is trust. With out trust everything falls apart.

This socialistic social engineering process is doomed for failure, and can only hurt this country. That is why many believe that the true enemy to this country lurks within. Our enemies are in the communist democratic party. It is well documented that these people are doing everything that they can to hurt, and destroy the USA.

 

[Seawytch]

Yota, DADT is soon going the way of the dodo bird. Your views and the views you claim your son also has are no longer the majority. The law is going to change and your son is going to have to deal with it or get out. You can't keep us out anymore just because you think they way we have sex is icky. Get over it.

 

[yota5]

Seawytch, you did not understand what the above statement said, nor do you actually read it. The commanders of many units did not care of the individual soldiers sexual preference. " THE MISSION WOULD BE COMPLETED AND EVERY SOLDIER WAS GOING ON DEPLOYMENT ". Many homosexuals manipulated the UCMJ so they would not have to go on deployment and a free ticket out with a general discharge. Its funny to me that you would argue with what my father just posted. You did not serve in the Army and definitely did not serve in the 101st Airborne Division. So how can you argue with what I told my father. In fact during my time in service, we deployed 4 times in 8 years. Before every deployment, my unit would receive a warning order 90 day before we would deploy. I'm sure the Navy has something similar to our SOP's. By the third deployment we would joke around and playfully wager how many soldiers would try to get kicked out for being a homosexual just so they did not have to be deployed to a war zone.

 

[CountofTuscany]

What were you saying about my many **** ups around here? based on your criteriea, you are the troll.

they could have always let the gay guys do the womens jobs

After I retired in 2002, I didn't see the inside of anything Navy until around 2008. Why? Because I didn't need to go to the base. I finally got to talk to someone when I had to take care of some stuff and used the Reservist station to make my phone calls.

Like I said, they changed it over in 2003 after I left. You don't make mistakes? You sure as **** have all over these boards.

Hey Spoonertard.......**** off ya goddamn pedant, go please purists.

You know what GayBIkerSailor you are the biggest biggoted POS here. You really are the typical liberal. So full of shit. You sit here arguing you are all pro gay and pising down on everyone who has a disagreement with DADT. But in typical liberal fashion with your hypocritical mind you piss and shit on gays with your ignorance. Why is it that every pro gay liberal is the first one to use a derogatory gay reference as a slight to the person they are arguing with? Like calling them a ***.

Really, let's take a look at afew excerpts of your pro gay position

Quotes I might add -

Either put up or shut up you penis puffing tea bagging colon jouster from hell

I already told ya once you sperm drooling cock monkey.......I was a PN.

Like I said you colon jousting retard, it's the ENGINEERS who hang out in the bowels of the ship.

Tell ya what you retarded colon jousting goo gobbling cock monster

I haven't made one derogatory comment about gays in my argument. I've just dissagreed and stated I don't feel the military is the place to be fighting the gay agenda. Do that in congress. Fight for gay rights on a full scale level. Don't pick the military where lives are on the line. don't force soldiers who are being asked to fight and have each others backs to make a decision which side of the fence they are on. i've stated my point with out attacking the person or the lifestyle.

You on the other hand reek of hypocriscy. You can't even make a point with out throwing a smear at the lifestyle you say you are fighting for. Obviously you loath and detest it if your most degrading insults spit in the face of their sexual activities. You are a real piece of work. But such a typical liberal. Textbook, classic. I see it all the time.

I think I'll take a page out of your book by going and defending civil rights issues by calling everyone spear chucking, watermellon eating nappy headed ho's.

I'm sure you are just the sort of fair weather friend the gay movement in this country needs.

Another point of view you can unec me for.

Excellent post.

 

[CountofTuscany]

IDK. I still believe the reason you go into the military is to serve you country. Not to further a personal cause.

Gays and lesbians join the service for the EXACT same reasons anybody joins. They join to serve their country, to get college money, because the job market sucks, etc. Nobody is joining to "further a personal cause". Gays join for the EXACT SAME reason straights do...soon they will be able to serve under the EXACT SAME rules too. YAY!

Good, then drop it and serve honorably snd stfu about it.

 

[rightwinger]

Seawytch, you did not understand what the above statement said, nor do you actually read it. The commanders of many units did not care of the individual soldiers sexual preference. " THE MISSION WOULD BE COMPLETED AND EVERY SOLDIER WAS GOING ON DEPLOYMENT ". Many homosexuals manipulated the UCMJ so they would not have to go on deployment and a free ticket out with a general discharge. Its funny to me that you would argue with what my father just posted. You did not serve in the Army and definitely did not serve in the 101st Airborne Division. So how can you argue with what I told my father. In fact during my time in service, we deployed 4 times in 8 years. Before every deployment, my unit would receive a warning order 90 day before we would deploy. I'm sure the Navy has something similar to our SOP's. By the third deployment we would joke around and playfully wager how many soldiers would try to get kicked out for being a homosexual just so they did not have to be deployed to a war zone.

Well then it looks like repealing DADT will increase your units readiness. Once DADT is gone, being a homosexual will no longer be an excuse for not deploying

 

[Gadawg73]

Seawytch, you did not understand what the above statement said, nor do you actually read it. The commanders of many units did not care of the individual soldiers sexual preference. " THE MISSION WOULD BE COMPLETED AND EVERY SOLDIER WAS GOING ON DEPLOYMENT ". Many homosexuals manipulated the UCMJ so they would not have to go on deployment and a free ticket out with a general discharge. Its funny to me that you would argue with what my father just posted. You did not serve in the Army and definitely did not serve in the 101st Airborne Division. So how can you argue with what I told my father. In fact during my time in service, we deployed 4 times in 8 years. Before every deployment, my unit would receive a warning order 90 day before we would deploy. I'm sure the Navy has something similar to our SOP's. By the third deployment we would joke around and playfully wager how many soldiers would try to get kicked out for being a homosexual just so they did not have to be deployed to a war zone.

Well then it looks like repealing DADT will increase your units readiness. Once DADT is gone, being a homosexual will no longer be an excuse for not deploying

You beat me to it.