The Troops are concerned about gays serving openly.

[High_Gravity]

Jeez this thread will never die.

 

[Gadawg73]

Jeez this thread will never die.

Yeah, I am done here. Can't argue with yota's son. The young man has been in a combat zone fighting for us. One of my son's best friends just got back from Afgnanistan.

 

[High_Gravity]

Jeez this thread will never die.

Yeah, I am done here. Can't argue with yota's son. The young man has been in a combat zone fighting for us. One of my son's best friends just got back from Afgnanistan.

I'm just hoping in 10 years this won't even be a big issue anymore.

 

[Gadawg73]

Seawytch, you did not understand what the above statement said, nor do you actually read it. The commanders of many units did not care of the individual soldiers sexual preference. " THE MISSION WOULD BE COMPLETED AND EVERY SOLDIER WAS GOING ON DEPLOYMENT ". Many homosexuals manipulated the UCMJ so they would not have to go on deployment and a free ticket out with a general discharge. Its funny to me that you would argue with what my father just posted. You did not serve in the Army and definitely did not serve in the 101st Airborne Division. So how can you argue with what I told my father. In fact during my time in service, we deployed 4 times in 8 years. Before every deployment, my unit would receive a warning order 90 day before we would deploy. I'm sure the Navy has something similar to our SOP's. By the third deployment we would joke around and playfully wager how many soldiers would try to get kicked out for being a homosexual just so they did not have to be deployed to a war zone.

Good luck to you and thanks for your service. If you ever pass through Hartsfield airport in Atlanta go to Houlihans in the main pavilion area. It is a sports restaurant/bar and there is usually someone in there like me that feels honored to be able to buy active war vets like you a cold brew and a steak. Thanks for your service. You are doing a fine job.

 

[High_Gravity]

Seawytch, you did not understand what the above statement said, nor do you actually read it. The commanders of many units did not care of the individual soldiers sexual preference. " THE MISSION WOULD BE COMPLETED AND EVERY SOLDIER WAS GOING ON DEPLOYMENT ". Many homosexuals manipulated the UCMJ so they would not have to go on deployment and a free ticket out with a general discharge. Its funny to me that you would argue with what my father just posted. You did not serve in the Army and definitely did not serve in the 101st Airborne Division. So how can you argue with what I told my father. In fact during my time in service, we deployed 4 times in 8 years. Before every deployment, my unit would receive a warning order 90 day before we would deploy. I'm sure the Navy has something similar to our SOP's. By the third deployment we would joke around and playfully wager how many soldiers would try to get kicked out for being a homosexual just so they did not have to be deployed to a war zone.

Good luck to you and thanks for your service. If you ever pass through Hartsfield airport in Atlanta go to Houlihans in the main pavilion area. It is a sports restaurant/bar and there is usually someone in there like me that feels honored to be able to buy active war vets like you a cold brew and a steak. Thanks for your service. You are doing a fine job.

When me and my crew were coming back from our deployment to Kuwait we stopped in Baltimore for the night and never had to pay for anything, people saw us in uniform and bought our food, drinks etc everything, it was quite nice.

 

[CountofTuscany]

Seawytch, you did not understand what the above statement said, nor do you actually read it. The commanders of many units did not care of the individual soldiers sexual preference. " THE MISSION WOULD BE COMPLETED AND EVERY SOLDIER WAS GOING ON DEPLOYMENT ". Many homosexuals manipulated the UCMJ so they would not have to go on deployment and a free ticket out with a general discharge. Its funny to me that you would argue with what my father just posted. You did not serve in the Army and definitely did not serve in the 101st Airborne Division. So how can you argue with what I told my father. In fact during my time in service, we deployed 4 times in 8 years. Before every deployment, my unit would receive a warning order 90 day before we would deploy. I'm sure the Navy has something similar to our SOP's. By the third deployment we would joke around and playfully wager how many soldiers would try to get kicked out for being a homosexual just so they did not have to be deployed to a war zone.

Good luck to you and thanks for your service. If you ever pass through Hartsfield airport in Atlanta go to Houlihans in the main pavilion area. It is a sports restaurant/bar and there is usually someone in there like me that feels honored to be able to buy active war vets like you a cold brew and a steak. Thanks for your service. You are doing a fine job.

When me and my crew were coming back from our deployment to Kuwait we stopped in Baltimore for the night and never had to pay for anything, people saw us in uniform and bought our food, drinks etc everything, it was quite nice.

People respect what you do .

 

[bodecea]

Seawytch, you did not understand what the above statement said, nor do you actually read it. The commanders of many units did not care of the individual soldiers sexual preference. " THE MISSION WOULD BE COMPLETED AND EVERY SOLDIER WAS GOING ON DEPLOYMENT ". Many homosexuals manipulated the UCMJ so they would not have to go on deployment and a free ticket out with a general discharge. Its funny to me that you would argue with what my father just posted. You did not serve in the Army and definitely did not serve in the 101st Airborne Division. So how can you argue with what I told my father. In fact during my time in service, we deployed 4 times in 8 years. Before every deployment, my unit would receive a warning order 90 day before we would deploy. I'm sure the Navy has something similar to our SOP's. By the third deployment we would joke around and playfully wager how many soldiers would try to get kicked out for being a homosexual just so they did not have to be deployed to a war zone.

Well then it looks like repealing DADT will increase your units readiness. Once DADT is gone, being a homosexual will no longer be an excuse for not deploying

Exactly. I don't know if that was Yota's intent in posting that, but it is indeed going to be the end result. A loophole is being closed. End of subject.

 

[Spoonman]

Seawytch, you did not understand what the above statement said, nor do you actually read it. The commanders of many units did not care of the individual soldiers sexual preference. " THE MISSION WOULD BE COMPLETED AND EVERY SOLDIER WAS GOING ON DEPLOYMENT ". Many homosexuals manipulated the UCMJ so they would not have to go on deployment and a free ticket out with a general discharge. Its funny to me that you would argue with what my father just posted. You did not serve in the Army and definitely did not serve in the 101st Airborne Division. So how can you argue with what I told my father. In fact during my time in service, we deployed 4 times in 8 years. Before every deployment, my unit would receive a warning order 90 day before we would deploy. I'm sure the Navy has something similar to our SOP's. By the third deployment we would joke around and playfully wager how many soldiers would try to get kicked out for being a homosexual just so they did not have to be deployed to a war zone.

Well then it looks like repealing DADT will increase your units readiness. Once DADT is gone, being a homosexual will no longer be an excuse for not deploying

Exactly. I don't know if that was Yota's intent in posting that, but it is indeed going to be the end result. A loophole is being closed. End of subject.

so does that mean you will stop whining about it?

 

[bodecea]

Well then it looks like repealing DADT will increase your units readiness. Once DADT is gone, being a homosexual will no longer be an excuse for not deploying

Exactly. I don't know if that was Yota's intent in posting that, but it is indeed going to be the end result. A loophole is being closed. End of subject.

so does that mean you will stop whining about it?

I'm not whining....I'm celebrating the FACT that DADT is dead. Kindly look to who started this thread. Twasn't me, my friend.

 

[Spoonman]

Exactly. I don't know if that was Yota's intent in posting that, but it is indeed going to be the end result. A loophole is being closed. End of subject.

so does that mean you will stop whining about it?

I'm not whining....I'm celebrating the FACT that DADT is dead. Kindly look to who started this thread. Twasn't me, my friend.

i think the fact was also made that once homosexuals start coming out of the closet there will be a lot more repercussion against them. People will suffer in the process. They won't get kicked out of the military but their lives will take on a little more hell. Some of it will be straight on but the bulk of it will be covert.

 

[ABikerSailor]

so does that mean you will stop whining about it?

I'm not whining....I'm celebrating the FACT that DADT is dead. Kindly look to who started this thread. Twasn't me, my friend.

i think the fact was also made that once homosexuals start coming out of the closet there will be a lot more repercussion against them. People will suffer in the process. They won't get kicked out of the military but their lives will take on a little more hell. Some of it will be straight on but the bulk of it will be covert.

Ever hear of the UCMJ or the Code of Conduct for the Armed Forces? Well, since you've never served, maybe you should familiarize yourself with it Spoonertard.

It covers all the stuff necessary to maintain good order and discipline. And no, people will suffer LESS under the repeal than they ever did before DADT (if you claimed to be gay, you were discharged in 48 hours or less), or under DADT (which takes 6 months to process someone under, meaning it costs more) than you ever would have by allowing gays to serve openly.

 

[Spoonman]

I'm not whining....I'm celebrating the FACT that DADT is dead. Kindly look to who started this thread. Twasn't me, my friend.

i think the fact was also made that once homosexuals start coming out of the closet there will be a lot more repercussion against them. People will suffer in the process. They won't get kicked out of the military but their lives will take on a little more hell. Some of it will be straight on but the bulk of it will be covert.

Ever hear of the UCMJ or the Code of Conduct for the Armed Forces? Well, since you've never served, maybe you should familiarize yourself with it Spoonertard.

It covers all the stuff necessary to maintain good order and discipline. And no, people will suffer LESS under the repeal than they ever did before DADT (if you claimed to be gay, you were discharged in 48 hours or less), or under DADT (which takes 6 months to process someone under, meaning it costs more) than you ever would have by allowing gays to serve openly.

Hey look the gay basher has surfaced from the bowels of the ship

 

[ABikerSailor]

Apparently Spoonertard.......you've no experience with the military, know nothing about gays, yet feel fully justified in beating your gums about a subject you know jacked shit about. Way to go retard. We know you've got it in you to be as stupid as Big Reb in NC.

 

[Spoonman]

Apparently Spoonertard.......you've no experience with the military, know nothing about gays, yet feel fully justified in beating your gums about a subject you know jacked shit about. Way to go retard. We know you've got it in you to be as stupid as Big Reb in NC.

at least i'm not a hypocrite like you. BTW I'm not the one who screwed up my military facts, you are

 

[Seawytch]

IDK. I still believe the reason you go into the military is to serve you country. Not to further a personal cause.

Gays and lesbians join the service for the EXACT same reasons anybody joins. They join to serve their country, to get college money, because the job market sucks, etc. Nobody is joining to "further a personal cause". Gays join for the EXACT SAME reason straights do...soon they will be able to serve under the EXACT SAME rules too. YAY!

Good, then drop it and serve honorably snd stfu about it.

What is it we are supposed to "drop" and "stfu" about? If someone asks us about our weekend, marital status, etc., what would you like us to say?

 

[yota5]

Apparently Spoonertard.......you've no experience with the military, know nothing about gays, yet feel fully justified in beating your gums about a subject you know jacked shit about. Way to go retard. We know you've got it in you to be as stupid as Big Reb in NC.

Like Spoonman said, he isn't the one who mixed up his military facts. It is my experience with the military that caused me to start this thread. Gays will have a negative impact upon a units combat readiness. It is a shame when gays have to cite their groups cowardice in order to rationalize the implementation of a social engineering experiment.

If Obama's rump rangers can't be trusted to do their duty with DADT, why should I trust them in the foxhole. My son just made a profound statement. "Repealing DADT wont change a sexual deviant's integrity. If they can't use DADT as a way to shirk their duty they'll find another way." It all comes back to trust doesn't it.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Apparently Spoonertard.......you've no experience with the military, know nothing about gays, yet feel fully justified in beating your gums about a subject you know jacked shit about. Way to go retard. We know you've got it in you to be as stupid as Big Reb in NC.

Like Spoonman said, he isn't the one who mixed up his military facts. It is my experience with the military that caused me to start this thread. Gays will have a negative impact upon a units combat readiness. It is a shame when gays have to cite their groups cowardice in order to rationalize the implementation of a social engineering experiment.

If Obama's rump rangers can't be trusted to do their duty with DADT, why should I trust them in the foxhole. My son just made a profound statement. "Repealing DADT wont change a sexual deviant's integrity. If they can't use DADT as a way to shirk their duty they'll find another way." It all comes back to trust doesn't it.

Hey jackass........I mixed up a K with an S when I was referring to my old rate (which was phased out 1-2 years AFTER I retired), because that's what the Reservist told me it was (who also happened to be wearing a uniform).

I've served 20 years in the US Navy from 1982 until 2002, and saw action in no less than 4 different war zones, starting with Beruit in '83.

I've also known that there have been gays in the military since my first ship in 1983. Matter of fact, I'd never met a gay person until that time.

Speaking as a Personnelman (which is now Personnel Specialist), one of my main jobs in the command was to prepare examination work sheets for the advancement exam, which meant that I had to average their evals for the previous 3 years, as well as tally their personal awards that they got (Navy Achievment Medal, Good Conduct, etc.)

Based on that, combined with the fact that I knew who was and wasn't gay in my commands (people trusted me a lot), I can tell you this........

Gays in the military continually outperform their straight counterparts. They've got more awards and have higher eval averages.

No. I firmly believe that gays should be allowed to serve OPENLY. Try again shithead......and by the way.........you opinion don't mean much to me because you've not been in miltary, and the only news you get is secondhand from you kid, which means that he's gonna color his views and give you slanted information.

Most of the people I've served with had no problems with them either. It's only the bigoted asshole rednecks such as yourself that have the problem.

 

[yota5]

Apparently Spoonertard.......you've no experience with the military, know nothing about gays, yet feel fully justified in beating your gums about a subject you know jacked shit about. Way to go retard. We know you've got it in you to be as stupid as Big Reb in NC.

Like Spoonman said, he isn't the one who mixed up his military facts. It is my experience with the military that caused me to start this thread. Gays will have a negative impact upon a units combat readiness. It is a shame when gays have to cite their groups cowardice in order to rationalize the implementation of a social engineering experiment.

If Obama's rump rangers can't be trusted to do their duty with DADT, why should I trust them in the foxhole. My son just made a profound statement. "Repealing DADT wont change a sexual deviant's integrity. If they can't use DADT as a way to shirk their duty they'll find another way." It all comes back to trust doesn't it.

Hey jackass........I mixed up a K with an S when I was referring to my old rate (which was phased out 1-2 years AFTER I retired), because that's what the Reservist told me it was (who also happened to be wearing a uniform).

I've served 20 years in the US Navy from 1982 until 2002, and saw action in no less than 4 different war zones, starting with Beruit in '83.

I've also known that there have been gays in the military since my first ship in 1983. Matter of fact, I'd never met a gay person until that time.

Speaking as a Personnelman (which is now Personnel Specialist), one of my main jobs in the command was to prepare examination work sheets for the advancement exam, which meant that I had to average their evals for the previous 3 years, as well as tally their personal awards that they got (Navy Achievment Medal, Good Conduct, etc.)

Based on that, combined with the fact that I knew who was and wasn't gay in my commands (people trusted me a lot), I can tell you this........

Gays in the military continually outperform their straight counterparts. They've got more awards and have higher eval averages.

No. I firmly believe that gays should be allowed to serve OPENLY. Try again shithead......and by the way.........you opinion don't mean much to me because you've not been in miltary, and the only news you get is secondhand from you kid, which means that he's gonna color his views and give you slanted information.

Most of the people I've served with had no problems with them either. It's only the bigoted asshole rednecks such as yourself that have the problem.

Hello maggot, I was wondering when you'd surface with more of your deviant BS. My experience with the military is first hand. I knew my MOS, and attending job description. You seem to be having problems with your rating, and attending job description.

You've posted that you were doing evals for openly serving gays. You've said how these deviants out performed straights. Give me a break. Openly serving gays would be immediately discharged under DADT, or existing SOP prior to DADT.

The only place that your scenario plays out is between those deviant ears of yours. If you did don your personnel man cape, and fudged the record for your fellow rump rangers you should have found yourself in the stockade.

Again this all comes down to integrity doesn't it? You've just made my case that deviants are liars and can't be trusted to do their duty. You're a prime example maggot.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Fact is that if a senior NCO wants to screw with a troop there are hundreds if not thousands of ways that NCO can make the troops life a living hell. And they can do it without breaking the UCMJ. Do I expect this to happen? Hell yes, many many times in many many units. And in most cases it won't be reported and in 99% of those that are reported there will be no infraction of the UCMJ, at most the NCO will be told to lighten up.

Facts people.

 

[Spoonman]

Apparently Spoonertard.......you've no experience with the military, know nothing about gays, yet feel fully justified in beating your gums about a subject you know jacked shit about. Way to go retard. We know you've got it in you to be as stupid as Big Reb in NC.

Like Spoonman said, he isn't the one who mixed up his military facts. It is my experience with the military that caused me to start this thread. Gays will have a negative impact upon a units combat readiness. It is a shame when gays have to cite their groups cowardice in order to rationalize the implementation of a social engineering experiment.

If Obama's rump rangers can't be trusted to do their duty with DADT, why should I trust them in the foxhole. My son just made a profound statement. "Repealing DADT wont change a sexual deviant's integrity. If they can't use DADT as a way to shirk their duty they'll find another way." It all comes back to trust doesn't it.

Hey jackass........I mixed up a K with an S when I was referring to my old rate (which was phased out 1-2 years AFTER I retired), because that's what the Reservist told me it was (who also happened to be wearing a uniform).

I've served 20 years in the US Navy from 1982 until 2002, and saw action in no less than 4 different war zones, starting with Beruit in '83.

I've also known that there have been gays in the military since my first ship in 1983. Matter of fact, I'd never met a gay person until that time.

Speaking as a Personnelman (which is now Personnel Specialist), one of my main jobs in the command was to prepare examination work sheets for the advancement exam, which meant that I had to average their evals for the previous 3 years, as well as tally their personal awards that they got (Navy Achievment Medal, Good Conduct, etc.)

Based on that, combined with the fact that I knew who was and wasn't gay in my commands (people trusted me a lot), I can tell you this........

Gays in the military continually outperform their straight counterparts. They've got more awards and have higher eval averages.

No. I firmly believe that gays should be allowed to serve OPENLY. Try again shithead......and by the way.........you opinion don't mean much to me because you've not been in miltary, and the only news you get is secondhand from you kid, which means that he's gonna color his views and give you slanted information.

Most of the people I've served with had no problems with them either. It's only the bigoted asshole rednecks such as yourself that have the problem.

You mixed up a lot of shit, which is why you have no credibility. dude you are the biggest biggot here. who are you kidding. you've slandered gays more than anyone on this thread. you are just to pigheaded to realize it. you can't take your focus off the pinhead field of vision you have in front of you.