The Troops are concerned about gays serving openly.

[iggy pop]

I'm not the one who insists we must deny equality to gays and lesbians so that the homophobes don't have to know there are "gheys in the midst".

I lived through DADT and I know the constant fear of someone finding out you are gay. I know what it is like to worry that someone is going to call your CO and turn you in for who you love. I know what is it like to have to change pronouns so nobody will suspect. Do you?

I march to a different drum myself (not sexually) and i take a lot of shit for it at times, professionally. But I am who i am and I'm not changing. So I have an understanding of not quite fitting the mold. My best friend is a lesbian. I've been trying to convert her for years but she'll have none of it. lol Now her best friend is the love of her life, and i can really see that. No one stirs up the passion in her like she does and it is very apparent to me. Now each one will end up marrying a guy, her friend is now engaged, because they feel thats what the expectations of them are. It does bug the shit out of me becasue I know that isn't what is going to make them truly happy.

I guess on the openness of gays in the military I have mixed points of view. I do think it shouldn't matter. but on the other hand I don't thin the military should be a battle ground for sexual freedom and preference. Gay or straight. I know that's going to be a difficult point for you to understand because you've had a negative experience with it. I don't know what the right answer is.

The point is that it doesn't matter. Most people simply don't care if you are gay and think it is ludicrous that someone would be discharged from the military for it. Allowing gays, who are already serving to serve under the exact same rules as everyone else does not make the military a "battle ground". The battle is over and nobody gives a shit. The 18-24 year old new recruit, who has gone to a US Public High School, knows gay people. He showered in gym in HS with them. He (or she, of course), potentially went to a school with a gay/straight alliance. These "kids" grew up watching Will and Grace, MTV, Ellen, etc. and they don't see gay people as this unknown "other".

BTW, You are dreaming if you think everything is all rainbows and kids today just love the gays. You can't legislate tolerance. It didn't work with the blacks a half century later.

 

[rightwinger]

I march to a different drum myself (not sexually) and i take a lot of shit for it at times, professionally. But I am who i am and I'm not changing. So I have an understanding of not quite fitting the mold. My best friend is a lesbian. I've been trying to convert her for years but she'll have none of it. lol Now her best friend is the love of her life, and i can really see that. No one stirs up the passion in her like she does and it is very apparent to me. Now each one will end up marrying a guy, her friend is now engaged, because they feel thats what the expectations of them are. It does bug the shit out of me becasue I know that isn't what is going to make them truly happy.

I guess on the openness of gays in the military I have mixed points of view. I do think it shouldn't matter. but on the other hand I don't thin the military should be a battle ground for sexual freedom and preference. Gay or straight. I know that's going to be a difficult point for you to understand because you've had a negative experience with it. I don't know what the right answer is.

The point is that it doesn't matter. Most people simply don't care if you are gay and think it is ludicrous that someone would be discharged from the military for it. Allowing gays, who are already serving to serve under the exact same rules as everyone else does not make the military a "battle ground". The battle is over and nobody gives a shit. The 18-24 year old new recruit, who has gone to a US Public High School, knows gay people. He showered in gym in HS with them. He (or she, of course), potentially went to a school with a gay/straight alliance. These "kids" grew up watching Will and Grace, MTV, Ellen, etc. and they don't see gay people as this unknown "other".

BTW, You are dreaming if you think everything is all rainbows and kids today just love the gays. You can't legislate tolerance. It didn't work with the blacks a half century later.

No, you can't legislate tolerance

But could we have even had a discussion about gay marriage twenty years ago?

 

[iggy pop]

The point is that it doesn't matter. Most people simply don't care if you are gay and think it is ludicrous that someone would be discharged from the military for it. Allowing gays, who are already serving to serve under the exact same rules as everyone else does not make the military a "battle ground". The battle is over and nobody gives a shit. The 18-24 year old new recruit, who has gone to a US Public High School, knows gay people. He showered in gym in HS with them. He (or she, of course), potentially went to a school with a gay/straight alliance. These "kids" grew up watching Will and Grace, MTV, Ellen, etc. and they don't see gay people as this unknown "other".

BTW, You are dreaming if you think everything is all rainbows and kids today just love the gays. You can't legislate tolerance. It didn't work with the blacks a half century later.

No, you can't legislate tolerance

But could we have even had a discussion about gay marriage twenty years ago?

You mean back in the days when we actually had some morals?

 

[iggy pop]

Top NCO: Marines Stay Despite DADT’s End

The next Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps says repealing the ban on gays serving openly hasn't caused leathernecks to head for the exits.

In an interview today with Military.com, Sgt. Maj. Michael Barrett said he has seen no evidence that Marines are leaving because of the repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell.

"I have not. You know, we have our direction and like the Marine Corps has always done we will carry out the mission at hand," Barrett said in a telephone interview. "It is important that we value the diversity and background and the culture and the skills that all the Marines bring to the service of the nation."

So his boss is against it

Marine chief: 'don't ask, don't tell' repeal could be deadly 'distraction'
Gen. James Amos, commandant of the Marines, defended his position that 'don't ask, don't tell' should not be repealed, saying a repeal could cause problems among combat troops.

Marine chief: 'don't ask, don't tell' repeal could be deadly 'distraction' - CSMonitor.com

 

[rightwinger]

BTW, You are dreaming if you think everything is all rainbows and kids today just love the gays. You can't legislate tolerance. It didn't work with the blacks a half century later.

No, you can't legislate tolerance

But could we have even had a discussion about gay marriage twenty years ago?

You mean back in the days when we actually had some morals?

What morals did we have twenty years ago that we don't have today?

 

[Gadawg73]

I march to a different drum myself (not sexually) and i take a lot of shit for it at times, professionally. But I am who i am and I'm not changing. So I have an understanding of not quite fitting the mold. My best friend is a lesbian. I've been trying to convert her for years but she'll have none of it. lol Now her best friend is the love of her life, and i can really see that. No one stirs up the passion in her like she does and it is very apparent to me. Now each one will end up marrying a guy, her friend is now engaged, because they feel thats what the expectations of them are. It does bug the shit out of me becasue I know that isn't what is going to make them truly happy.

I guess on the openness of gays in the military I have mixed points of view. I do think it shouldn't matter. but on the other hand I don't thin the military should be a battle ground for sexual freedom and preference. Gay or straight. I know that's going to be a difficult point for you to understand because you've had a negative experience with it. I don't know what the right answer is.

The point is that it doesn't matter. Most people simply don't care if you are gay and think it is ludicrous that someone would be discharged from the military for it. Allowing gays, who are already serving to serve under the exact same rules as everyone else does not make the military a "battle ground". The battle is over and nobody gives a shit. The 18-24 year old new recruit, who has gone to a US Public High School, knows gay people. He showered in gym in HS with them. He (or she, of course), potentially went to a school with a gay/straight alliance. These "kids" grew up watching Will and Grace, MTV, Ellen, etc. and they don't see gay people as this unknown "other".

BTW, You are dreaming if you think everything is all rainbows and kids today just love the gays. You can't legislate tolerance. It didn't work with the blacks a half century later.

You are the one that wants the government to legislate tolerance.
Tolerance of rules and regulations that discriminate against those other than heterosexual.
I want to keep you and the moral police the hell out of my life. Seen enough folks like you for all 56 years of my life and am tired of the BS.
I vote Republican since 1972. American by birth. Southern by the Grace of God.
Let the gay folks sink oR swim based on their ability. I have heard no other reason other than "they are gay" to deny them the ability to serve.
And that is BULL SHIT.
We are in a damn shooting war and you want a witch hunt on gay folks. Makes no damn sense whatsoever.

 

[iggy pop]

The point is that it doesn't matter. Most people simply don't care if you are gay and think it is ludicrous that someone would be discharged from the military for it. Allowing gays, who are already serving to serve under the exact same rules as everyone else does not make the military a "battle ground". The battle is over and nobody gives a shit. The 18-24 year old new recruit, who has gone to a US Public High School, knows gay people. He showered in gym in HS with them. He (or she, of course), potentially went to a school with a gay/straight alliance. These "kids" grew up watching Will and Grace, MTV, Ellen, etc. and they don't see gay people as this unknown "other".

BTW, You are dreaming if you think everything is all rainbows and kids today just love the gays. You can't legislate tolerance. It didn't work with the blacks a half century later.

You are the one that wants the government to legislate tolerance.
Tolerance of rules and regulations that discriminate against those other than heterosexual.
I want to keep you and the moral police the hell out of my life. Seen enough folks like you for all 56 years of my life and am tired of the BS.
I vote Republican since 1972. American by birth. Southern by the Grace of God.
Let the gay folks sink oR swim based on their ability. I have heard no other reason other than "they are gay" to deny them the ability to serve.
And that is BULL SHIT.
We are in a damn shooting war and you want a witch hunt on gay folks. Makes no damn sense whatsoever.

They have the ability to serve. No one denies then that, never did

 

[Gadawg73]

BTW, You are dreaming if you think everything is all rainbows and kids today just love the gays. You can't legislate tolerance. It didn't work with the blacks a half century later.

You are the one that wants the government to legislate tolerance.
Tolerance of rules and regulations that discriminate against those other than heterosexual.
I want to keep you and the moral police the hell out of my life. Seen enough folks like you for all 56 years of my life and am tired of the BS.
I vote Republican since 1972. American by birth. Southern by the Grace of God.
Let the gay folks sink oR swim based on their ability. I have heard no other reason other than "they are gay" to deny them the ability to serve.
And that is BULL SHIT.
We are in a damn shooting war and you want a witch hunt on gay folks. Makes no damn sense whatsoever.

They have the ability to serve. No one denies then that, never did

Then what is wrong with letting be who they are as long as they go by the same rules and regs as us straight folks?

 

[CountofTuscany]

IDK. I still believe the reason you go into the military is to serve you country. Not to further a personal cause.

 

[Gadawg73]

IDK. I still believe the reason you go into the military is to serve you country. Not to further a personal cause.

The former high school soft ball star down the road is in Afghanistan as I post. She is gay and is an interpreter. Known her and her folks for 20 years.
They would throw her out if known she is gay.
And that is fucked up and anyone with a brain knows it.
Is her service a "personal cause"?
Where is this person that is gay and is serving for their "personal cause"?
What is their name?

 

[ABikerSailor]

Interestingly enough, most of the people who state that gays should not be allowed to serve are people who have never served, nor will they, because they are too cowardly to put their own butts on the line.

Most people who are active duty today, really don't care if gays serve or not.

 

[Spoonman]

Interestingly enough, most of the people who state that gays should not be allowed to serve are people who have never served, nor will they, because they are too cowardly to put their own butts on the line.

Most people who are active duty today, really don't care if gays serve or not.

Dude you hung out in the bowels of a ship. Put your ass on the line and join the real fighting.

 

[JerkInTheBox]

Interestingly enough, most of the people who state that gays should not be allowed to serve are people who have never served, nor will they, because they are too cowardly to put their own butts on the line.

Most people who are active duty today, really don't care if gays serve or not.

Dude you hung out in the bowels of a ship. Put your ass on the line and join the real fighting.

He served just as much as anyone who took the oath. The nature of his service isn't germane to the discussion.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Interestingly enough, most of the people who state that gays should not be allowed to serve are people who have never served, nor will they, because they are too cowardly to put their own butts on the line.

Most people who are active duty today, really don't care if gays serve or not.

I'm not so certain that can be proven to be true.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Interestingly enough, most of the people who state that gays should not be allowed to serve are people who have never served, nor will they, because they are too cowardly to put their own butts on the line.

Most people who are active duty today, really don't care if gays serve or not.

Dude you hung out in the bowels of a ship. Put your ass on the line and join the real fighting.

I already told ya once you sperm drooling cock monkey.......I was a PN.

BT's, HT's, MM's and other engineers are who hangs out in the bowels of a ship.

Apparently, as a (supposed) sailor, you don't know that. Shocking......really.......

 

[Mr Natural]

I suspect those who are concerned might be just a bit too close to trying it out for themselves.

 

[Spoonman]

Interestingly enough, most of the people who state that gays should not be allowed to serve are people who have never served, nor will they, because they are too cowardly to put their own butts on the line.

Most people who are active duty today, really don't care if gays serve or not.

I'm not so certain that can be proven to be true.

He values his opinion as fact

 

[Spoonman]

Interestingly enough, most of the people who state that gays should not be allowed to serve are people who have never served, nor will they, because they are too cowardly to put their own butts on the line.

Most people who are active duty today, really don't care if gays serve or not.

Dude you hung out in the bowels of a ship. Put your ass on the line and join the real fighting.

I already told ya once you sperm drooling cock monkey.......I was a PN.

BT's, HT's, MM's and other engineers are who hangs out in the bowels of a ship.

Apparently, as a (supposed) sailor, you don't know that. Shocking......really.......

Where do you get I was a supposed sailor? Making shit up again?

 

[ABikerSailor]

Dude you hung out in the bowels of a ship. Put your ass on the line and join the real fighting.

I already told ya once you sperm drooling cock monkey.......I was a PN.

BT's, HT's, MM's and other engineers are who hangs out in the bowels of a ship.

Apparently, as a (supposed) sailor, you don't know that. Shocking......really.......

Where do you get I was a supposed sailor? Making shit up again?

There was another thread where you questioned my service, and volunteered that you'd been a former sailor as well.

Like I said you colon jousting retard, it's the ENGINEERS who hang out in the bowels of the ship.

The titless Waves (like I was) are usually placed on the main deck or above.

 

[Spoonman]

I already told ya once you sperm drooling cock monkey.......I was a PN.

BT's, HT's, MM's and other engineers are who hangs out in the bowels of a ship.

Apparently, as a (supposed) sailor, you don't know that. Shocking......really.......

Where do you get I was a supposed sailor? Making shit up again?

There was another thread where you questioned my service, and volunteered that you'd been a former sailor as well.

Like I said you colon jousting retard, it's the ENGINEERS who hang out in the bowels of the ship.

The titless Waves (like I was) are usually placed on the main deck or above.

No i didn't. And it was on this thread. Like I said, you are clueless what you are talking about. Get your facts straight