The Troops are concerned about gays serving openly.

[slukasiewski]

i want a straight pride parade so i can ride down the street in the back of a pickup truck in coveralls, drinking beer, scratching my nuts and belching. of course I'll have two day stubble as well

Isn't Mardi Gras billed as a "Straight" parade?

LOL !!!!

I never saw so many transvestite freakshows in my life as that one.

Thank God there are some "family value" based events in communities across the country.

Leave the filth at home, in the bedroom - or behind the dumpster.

I work for a company that has a lot of gays. we have a very well defined dress code. People have been warned, even written up about innapropriate dress. I don't understand how they get away with what they wear. some of them anyway.

what do they wear?
like "pasties" and shit?

 

[bodecea]

"Powned"? That's a new one.

Actually it's like 10 years old. stop pushing the gay agenda and pay attention to the real world

I'm STRAIGHT
I'm STRAIGHT
I'm STRAIGHT !!!!!

Gee - wouldn't that be an idiotic thing to drumbeat.

Particularly for you.

 

[bodecea]

Actually it's like 10 years old. stop pushing the gay agenda and pay attention to the real world

I'm STRAIGHT
I'm STRAIGHT
I'm STRAIGHT !!!!!

Gee - wouldn't that be an idiotic thing to drumbeat.

i want a straight pride parade so i can ride down the street in the back of a pickup truck in coveralls, drinking beer, scratching my nuts and belching. of course I'll have two day stubble as well

Mardi Gras then?

 

[bodecea]

i want a straight pride parade so i can ride down the street in the back of a pickup truck in coveralls, drinking beer, scratching my nuts and belching. of course I'll have two day stubble as well

Isn't Mardi Gras billed as a "Straight" parade?

LOL !!!!

I never saw so many transvestite freakshows in my life as that one.

Thank God there are some "family value" based events in communities across the country.

Leave the filth at home, in the bedroom - or behind the dumpster.

I work for a company that has a lot of gays. we have a very well defined dress code. People have been warned, even written up about innapropriate dress. I don't understand how they get away with what they wear. some of them anyway.

Some of "them"?

 

[bodecea]

Isn't Mardi Gras billed as a "Straight" parade?

LOL !!!!

I never saw so many transvestite freakshows in my life as that one.

Thank God there are some "family value" based events in communities across the country.

Leave the filth at home, in the bedroom - or behind the dumpster.

I work for a company that has a lot of gays. we have a very well defined dress code. People have been warned, even written up about innapropriate dress. I don't understand how they get away with what they wear. some of them anyway.

what do they wear?
like "pasties" and shit?

 

[ABikerSailor]

You were an Admin puke who jerked off in the Ship's Office to service records all day and kept your nose up the CO/XO's ass all day. No surprised you were attracted to/met all the shipboard freaks. Most Admin pukes were indeed faggots.

Do you know why the Navy created the RP rating?

So faggots like you would have someone to date at the Navy Ball.

Yeah.....sure.........PN is also one of the few rates allowed into the SEALs, which is why I chose it, however, I didn't qualify for SEALs because my vision wasn't able to be corrected to standards.

My other qualifications are as such.......At Sea fire party (nozzleman), NBC Warfare Team (was decontamination station monitor), Security Force qualified, PRT Coordinator, DAPA, and have had 2 fully independent duty stations onboard an MSC vessel, as well as LPO of Amarillo MEPS Navy office.

I still ride 10 plus miles/day (at 46) and am quite confident that some chump steak such as yourself probably separated after their first enlistment, due to not being able to hack it.

Try again ya sperm slurpling retarded cock monkey. Go find someone else's butt to sniff around, because you sure as **** ain't impressing me.

I'm guessing that you went back to your parent's basement when you got out, and are still living there rent free.

PN is certainly one of the rates permitted in the Seals. The boys need SOMEONE to dance with. I think RPs are allowed to. Your quals are "mediocre." I too was on at At-Sea Fireparty - but was the on-scene leader - was also (when in khaki's, which you never achieved) on some damned DC team - don't remember what we called it - that went around evaluating NBC teams and other flunkies like you who were non-essential, so we put them on repair party duties. You know - sitting around all day at GQ with their thumbs up their ass. I didn't coordinate the PT program - I managed it, served countless independent duty tours (including two OIC tours) and at 48 - still manage to run 100 miles a week.

So, stick a cork in it junior.

Tell ya what you retarded colon jousting goo gobbling cock monster, I'll give you a name........LT Roux who served at the Naval War College in the mid 90's, was my OIC at the PSD. Because during that summer, I'd ridden a bicycle from Jacksonville Fl to Newport RI in 12 days (1100 miles in 12 days, average was 93 miles/day), he called me into his office and asked me if I'd be the PRT Coordinator. I told him yes, but during the time that I was supposed to be in charge (positional authority), he had to follow what I instructed.

He was cool with that.

Prior to my taking over? We had a couple of outstandings, one or two excellents, with mostly sat, with maybe 2 unsats. 6 months after I took over? Several outstandings (of which the LT and I competed for bragging rights to be the highest command score, and it usually ended up being only separated by 1 or 2 points. Most of the others were excellents, with one or two sats. After my performance on the first cycle, the PRT job was mine until I left Newport. On occasion, some of his fellow OIC's would come around and ask him how he turned his whole PRT program around. If he liked them, he'd bring 'em by my desk and introduce me as his "secret weapon".

So tell ya what chumpsteak, go beat your chest (or whatever it is that you usually beat), and quit bugging me. You ain't impressing anyone here.

 

[Spoonman]

Yeah.....sure.........PN is also one of the few rates allowed into the SEALs, which is why I chose it, however, I didn't qualify for SEALs because my vision wasn't able to be corrected to standards.

My other qualifications are as such.......At Sea fire party (nozzleman), NBC Warfare Team (was decontamination station monitor), Security Force qualified, PRT Coordinator, DAPA, and have had 2 fully independent duty stations onboard an MSC vessel, as well as LPO of Amarillo MEPS Navy office.

I still ride 10 plus miles/day (at 46) and am quite confident that some chump steak such as yourself probably separated after their first enlistment, due to not being able to hack it.

Try again ya sperm slurpling retarded cock monkey. Go find someone else's butt to sniff around, because you sure as **** ain't impressing me.

I'm guessing that you went back to your parent's basement when you got out, and are still living there rent free.

PN is certainly one of the rates permitted in the Seals. The boys need SOMEONE to dance with. I think RPs are allowed to. Your quals are "mediocre." I too was on at At-Sea Fireparty - but was the on-scene leader - was also (when in khaki's, which you never achieved) on some damned DC team - don't remember what we called it - that went around evaluating NBC teams and other flunkies like you who were non-essential, so we put them on repair party duties. You know - sitting around all day at GQ with their thumbs up their ass. I didn't coordinate the PT program - I managed it, served countless independent duty tours (including two OIC tours) and at 48 - still manage to run 100 miles a week.

So, stick a cork in it junior.

Tell ya what you retarded colon jousting goo gobbling cock monster, I'll give you a name........LT Roux who served at the Naval War College in the mid 90's, was my OIC at the PSD. Because during that summer, I'd ridden a bicycle from Jacksonville Fl to Newport RI in 12 days (1100 miles in 12 days, average was 93 miles/day), he called me into his office and asked me if I'd be the PRT Coordinator. I told him yes, but during the time that I was supposed to be in charge (positional authority), he had to follow what I instructed.

He was cool with that.

Prior to my taking over? We had a couple of outstandings, one or two excellents, with mostly sat, with maybe 2 unsats. 6 months after I took over? Several outstandings (of which the LT and I competed for bragging rights to be the highest command score, and it usually ended up being only separated by 1 or 2 points. Most of the others were excellents, with one or two sats. After my performance on the first cycle, the PRT job was mine until I left Newport. On occasion, some of his fellow OIC's would come around and ask him how he turned his whole PRT program around. If he liked them, he'd bring 'em by my desk and introduce me as his "secret weapon".

So tell ya what chumpsteak, go beat your chest (or whatever it is that you usually beat), and quit bugging me. You ain't impressing anyone here.

50 bucks says you removed the seat from the seat mounting tube before riding

 

[ABikerSailor]

PN is certainly one of the rates permitted in the Seals. The boys need SOMEONE to dance with. I think RPs are allowed to. Your quals are "mediocre." I too was on at At-Sea Fireparty - but was the on-scene leader - was also (when in khaki's, which you never achieved) on some damned DC team - don't remember what we called it - that went around evaluating NBC teams and other flunkies like you who were non-essential, so we put them on repair party duties. You know - sitting around all day at GQ with their thumbs up their ass. I didn't coordinate the PT program - I managed it, served countless independent duty tours (including two OIC tours) and at 48 - still manage to run 100 miles a week.

So, stick a cork in it junior.

Tell ya what you retarded colon jousting goo gobbling cock monster, I'll give you a name........LT Roux who served at the Naval War College in the mid 90's, was my OIC at the PSD. Because during that summer, I'd ridden a bicycle from Jacksonville Fl to Newport RI in 12 days (1100 miles in 12 days, average was 93 miles/day), he called me into his office and asked me if I'd be the PRT Coordinator. I told him yes, but during the time that I was supposed to be in charge (positional authority), he had to follow what I instructed.

He was cool with that.

Prior to my taking over? We had a couple of outstandings, one or two excellents, with mostly sat, with maybe 2 unsats. 6 months after I took over? Several outstandings (of which the LT and I competed for bragging rights to be the highest command score, and it usually ended up being only separated by 1 or 2 points. Most of the others were excellents, with one or two sats. After my performance on the first cycle, the PRT job was mine until I left Newport. On occasion, some of his fellow OIC's would come around and ask him how he turned his whole PRT program around. If he liked them, he'd bring 'em by my desk and introduce me as his "secret weapon".

So tell ya what chumpsteak, go beat your chest (or whatever it is that you usually beat), and quit bugging me. You ain't impressing anyone here.

50 bucks says you removed the seat from the seat mounting tube before riding

Really? I'd like to see ya cover that bet asshole.

I used to race, and yeah........I've had a seat post bolt explode from under me.

No. You can't ride a bike without a seat.

Where's my fifty bucks asshole?

 

[Seawytch]

Does it add to it?

Yes.

How? I'd love to hear someone give a executional advantage rather than a feel good reason why.

If you can't see how NOT discharging a qualified individual for the non-familial consenting adult they have relations with adds to combat readiness, then we can't help you. We are an ALL VOLUNTEER military. Someone willing to volunteer and serve adds to combat readiness.

 

[Seawytch]

Currently the United States military is the benchmark by which all others are measured. Our all volunteer military is the most respected, disciplined, competent, combat ready force in the world. Gays are not part of this equation because gays can not serve openly in our military. Adding gays to this equation can only negatively impact the US Military. If an explanation of how openly serving gays can add to a units combat readiness were available the gay community would have been offered it with great gusto. Yet not one person has come forth. The reason is that a valid explanation doesn't exist. The silence of the gay community on this matter validates this assumption.

This makes four or five...


Please provide evidence that honestly serving gays and lesbians has a negative affect on combat readiness. Here's a list of the countries with no gay ban. Please tell us how their combat readiness has been negatively affected by their lifting their bans.

Austria
Belgium
Canada
Czech Republic
Denmark
Estonia
Finland
France
Germany
Ireland
Israel
Italy
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
Slovenia
South Africa
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
Taiwan
UK
Uruguay

 

[Seawytch]

What actually amazes me is that I spent 22 years on active duty and I didn't see or know about all these Gays I was serving with.

Granted I'm no Einstein, But I am fairly educated and fairly decorated and I didn't spend those 22 years with my head in the sand or up anyones ass.

Trying really hard to remember the incidents with gays and I can only remember 3. Two females who I was sorry to lose (They were the best repair personnel I had at the time)

And one kid in AIT who we caught with a dozen X rated Gay VCR tapes. I just never saw or knew about all these gays that so many describe here....

(2 child molesters over the years, they were gone really fast, both caught with their own kids.)

I think some numbers are inflated......

You served prior to and during DADT...when gays and lesbians, whose sexual orientation was found out, were discharged (sometimes with dishonorable depending how long ago you served)...and you are surprised that you didn't know of more? Seriously?

Guess what? You can't tell by looking at them if someone is gay.

What I found, in my 20 years of service, is that about 2% of the units where I've been station, were comprised of gays and lesbians. From the smallest station to the largest training center, 2% held steady.

 

[yota5]

What actually amazes me is that I spent 22 years on active duty and I didn't see or know about all these Gays I was serving with.

Granted I'm no Einstein, But I am fairly educated and fairly decorated and I didn't spend those 22 years with my head in the sand or up anyones ass.

Trying really hard to remember the incidents with gays and I can only remember 3. Two females who I was sorry to lose (They were the best repair personnel I had at the time)

And one kid in AIT who we caught with a dozen X rated Gay VCR tapes. I just never saw or knew about all these gays that so many describe here....

(2 child molesters over the years, they were gone really fast, both caught with their own kids.)

I think some numbers are inflated......

You served prior to and during DADT...when gays and lesbians, whose sexual orientation was found out, were discharged (sometimes with dishonorable depending how long ago you served)...and you are surprised that you didn't know of more? Seriously?

Guess what? You can't tell by looking at them if someone is gay.

What I found, in my 20 years of service, is that about 2% of the units where I've been station, were comprised of gays and lesbians. From the smallest station to the largest training center, 2% held steady.

My experience parallels SFC Ollie's. I don't doubt that there were that 2 % of the units that you served with were comprised of gays, and lesbians. Although I would have considered those units compromised. The fact that you knew of this population isn't surprising. The gay community's attraction for one another is well documented. You folks are aware of the telling signs. Heterosexuals aren't as aware.

The key here is that you folks didn't serve openly. Therefore you didn't have an impact on unit cohesion, and combat readiness. DADT took care of the ones who weren't as discrete as you were.

Combat readiness, seawtch, it's all about combat readiness. Not everyone has the right to serve in the military.

 

[bodecea]

What actually amazes me is that I spent 22 years on active duty and I didn't see or know about all these Gays I was serving with.

Granted I'm no Einstein, But I am fairly educated and fairly decorated and I didn't spend those 22 years with my head in the sand or up anyones ass.

Trying really hard to remember the incidents with gays and I can only remember 3. Two females who I was sorry to lose (They were the best repair personnel I had at the time)

And one kid in AIT who we caught with a dozen X rated Gay VCR tapes. I just never saw or knew about all these gays that so many describe here....

(2 child molesters over the years, they were gone really fast, both caught with their own kids.)

I think some numbers are inflated......

You served prior to and during DADT...when gays and lesbians, whose sexual orientation was found out, were discharged (sometimes with dishonorable depending how long ago you served)...and you are surprised that you didn't know of more? Seriously?

Guess what? You can't tell by looking at them if someone is gay.

What I found, in my 20 years of service, is that about 2% of the units where I've been station, were comprised of gays and lesbians. From the smallest station to the largest training center, 2% held steady.

My experience parallels SFC Ollie's. I don't doubt that there were that 2 % of the units that you served with were comprised of gays, and lesbians. Although I would have considered those units compromised. The fact that you knew of this population isn't surprising. The gay community's attraction for one another is well documented. You folks are aware of the telling signs. Heterosexuals aren't as aware.

The key here is that you folks didn't serve openly. Therefore you didn't have an impact on unit cohesion, and combat readiness. DADT took care of the ones who weren't as discrete as you were.

Combat readiness, seawtch, it's all about combat readiness. Not everyone has the right to serve in the military.

So..what you are telling us is that the problem IS NOT with gay soldiers and sailors, it's with the straight soldiers and sailors' perceptions. Really? That's OUR problem?

 

[Dot Com]

You served prior to and during DADT...when gays and lesbians, whose sexual orientation was found out, were discharged (sometimes with dishonorable depending how long ago you served)...and you are surprised that you didn't know of more? Seriously?

Guess what? You can't tell by looking at them if someone is gay.

What I found, in my 20 years of service, is that about 2% of the units where I've been station, were comprised of gays and lesbians. From the smallest station to the largest training center, 2% held steady.

My experience parallels SFC Ollie's. I don't doubt that there were that 2 % of the units that you served with were comprised of gays, and lesbians. Although I would have considered those units compromised. The fact that you knew of this population isn't surprising. The gay community's attraction for one another is well documented. You folks are aware of the telling signs. Heterosexuals aren't as aware.

The key here is that you folks didn't serve openly. Therefore you didn't have an impact on unit cohesion, and combat readiness. DADT took care of the ones who weren't as discrete as you were.

Combat readiness, seawtch, it's all about combat readiness. Not everyone has the right to serve in the military.

So..what you are telling us is that the problem IS NOT with gay soldiers and sailors, it's with the straight soldiers and sailors' perceptions. Really? That's OUR problem?

Agreed. They need to do like Angle said and "man up". The only ones who seem to have a problem are usually the closeted ones I was in the military and people did their f'ing jobs as opposed to trying to guess who swings which way.

 

[ABikerSailor]

What actually amazes me is that I spent 22 years on active duty and I didn't see or know about all these Gays I was serving with.

Granted I'm no Einstein, But I am fairly educated and fairly decorated and I didn't spend those 22 years with my head in the sand or up anyones ass.

Trying really hard to remember the incidents with gays and I can only remember 3. Two females who I was sorry to lose (They were the best repair personnel I had at the time)

And one kid in AIT who we caught with a dozen X rated Gay VCR tapes. I just never saw or knew about all these gays that so many describe here....

(2 child molesters over the years, they were gone really fast, both caught with their own kids.)

I think some numbers are inflated......

You served prior to and during DADT...when gays and lesbians, whose sexual orientation was found out, were discharged (sometimes with dishonorable depending how long ago you served)...and you are surprised that you didn't know of more? Seriously?

Guess what? You can't tell by looking at them if someone is gay.

What I found, in my 20 years of service, is that about 2% of the units where I've been station, were comprised of gays and lesbians. From the smallest station to the largest training center, 2% held steady.

You know........I was a PN, and because of my job, I knew just about everything that was in everyone's service record, and, because I knew how to keep my mouth shut, everyone on the ship trusted me. I generally knew who was gay in every command that I was at. Some of the best friends I've had in the military have been gay, and know what? It was a great relief to many of them to be able to have someone they could talk with when shit was going wonky at home who wouldn't judge them for being anything other than human and a fellow sailor.

If a person is unable to contact their SO while they are deployed, or if something goes seriously wrong back home, gays have no recourse other than to suck it up. Have any of you been on deployment and a family member or your SO is sick, or about ready to leave you? I have, and it SUCKS. My ex wife Donna decided to start cheating on me while I was on a 2 1/2 month shakedown cruise on the USS GEORGE WASHINGTON (CVN-73) , and that was probably one of the toughest dets I ever went on, because I got mail for the first 2 weeks, and in the second week of mail, I knew something was going on, and then, no mail.

Additionally, SFC Ollie brought up an interesting point about the 2 lesbians he worked with. He said that they were some of the best people he'd had working for him and he was sorry to lose them.

Guess what? Because I was the PN, and generally did all the advancement worksheets every cycle, I knew who had the most awards and the highest eval averages. And, because I knew who was gay in the command, I noticed something........gays almost ALWAYS had more awards, with higher eval averages than most straights. Wanna know why? Because they grew up practicing attention to detail and covering their bases.

No. Letting gays serve openly will NOT impact readiness or effectiveness. When the knuckle draggers who believe they will are either kicked out for being bigoted assholes or get out because they can't stomach the thought of serving with them, well.....the military will be better off.

Incidentally, did you know that the US is the only NATO country that bans gays?

 

[SFC Ollie]

Gee, seems like the only people who could tell if a person was gay are the people advocating the repeal of DADT. The rest of us haven't a clue. Strange!

 

[CountofTuscany]

Gee, seems like the only people who could tell if a person was gay are the people advocating the repeal of DADT. The rest of us haven't a clue. Strange!

I think too much is being made of something best left alone.

 

[yota5]

Currently the United States military is the benchmark by which all others are measured. Our all volunteer military is the most respected, disciplined, competent, combat ready force in the world. Gays are not part of this equation because gays can not serve openly in our military. Adding gays to this equation can only negatively impact the US Military. If an explanation of how openly serving gays can add to a units combat readiness were available the gay community would have been offered it with great gusto. Yet not one person has come forth. The reason is that a valid explanation doesn't exist. The silence of the gay community on this matter validates this assumption.

This makes four or five...


Please provide evidence that honestly serving gays and lesbians has a negative affect on combat readiness. Here's a list of the countries with no gay ban. Please tell us how their combat readiness has been negatively affected by their lifting their bans.

Austria
Belgium
Canada
Czech Republic
Denmark
Estonia
Finland
France
Germany
Ireland
Israel
Italy
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
Slovenia
South Africa
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
Taiwan
UK
Uruguay

Seawtch, not one of the countries listed is even close to being on the same level as the U.S. Military. As I've already stated the U.S. Military is the benchmark from which all others are judged. One only has to look at NATO's performance in Libya since they've accepted command and control from the USA. They really fell flat on their faces didn't they. You and your minions of rump rangers want to drag the U.S. Military down to the standards of the countries that you listed. I can't see how that would be in the best interests of the USA.

That little sexually deviant brain of yours asked me a specific question that you know the data isn't available for. Gays didn't affect combat readiness for one reason. They were all discharge dishonorably, or as undesirable where they were found. Even at MEPS during the induction physical if evidence were found that you'd been letting another sexual deviant ride dirty you weren't allowed to enlist.

Only a sexual deviant can tell if another lurks nearby. The rest of us don't know the telling signs to look for. Under DADT if you didn't tell, dressed right dressed, and held on center mass everything was cool. If you weren't discreet and you were found out you were gone before you could affect unit cohesion, and combat readiness. Again, that is why the numbers that your requested don't exist. You already know this.

I will ask you this question again. Show credible evidence of how openly serving gays will add to a units combat readiness. These numbers don't exist either. I'll bet you know the reason for that too.

It is not a right to serve in the armed forces of the USA. Serving is an earned privilege. This privilege is earned by meeting or exceeding accepted standards. Sexual deviance isn't an accepted standard. I'll bet that you knew this too.

 

[Seawytch]

What actually amazes me is that I spent 22 years on active duty and I didn't see or know about all these Gays I was serving with.

Granted I'm no Einstein, But I am fairly educated and fairly decorated and I didn't spend those 22 years with my head in the sand or up anyones ass.

Trying really hard to remember the incidents with gays and I can only remember 3. Two females who I was sorry to lose (They were the best repair personnel I had at the time)

And one kid in AIT who we caught with a dozen X rated Gay VCR tapes. I just never saw or knew about all these gays that so many describe here....

(2 child molesters over the years, they were gone really fast, both caught with their own kids.)

I think some numbers are inflated......

You served prior to and during DADT...when gays and lesbians, whose sexual orientation was found out, were discharged (sometimes with dishonorable depending how long ago you served)...and you are surprised that you didn't know of more? Seriously?

Guess what? You can't tell by looking at them if someone is gay.

What I found, in my 20 years of service, is that about 2% of the units where I've been station, were comprised of gays and lesbians. From the smallest station to the largest training center, 2% held steady.

My experience parallels SFC Ollie's. I don't doubt that there were that 2 % of the units that you served with were comprised of gays, and lesbians. Although I would have considered those units compromised. The fact that you knew of this population isn't surprising. The gay community's attraction for one another is well documented. You folks are aware of the telling signs. Heterosexuals aren't as aware.

ROFLMAO! You couldn't be more wrong. We are just a clueless about our "own kind" as the rest of the population. I didn't know who was gay by looking at them and was quite often very surprised at who turned out to actually be gay. I was often even more shocked at who wasn't.

What usually DID happen is that we would run into each other in places often frequented by gays and lesbians. Once you knew one or two people at the base, they usually knew one or two other people and pretty soon you knew who was and who wasn't. There is no secret handshake.

The key here is that you folks didn't serve openly. Therefore you didn't have an impact on unit cohesion, and combat readiness. DADT took care of the ones who weren't as discrete as you were.

Combat readiness, seawtch, it's all about combat readiness. Not everyone has the right to serve in the military.

And you have yet to show how honestly serving gays and lesbians will have any impact on combat readiness. Zero, zip, nada.

 

[Seawytch]

Gee, seems like the only people who could tell if a person was gay are the people advocating the repeal of DADT. The rest of us haven't a clue. Strange!

That's the point Ollie, you usually CAN'T tell if someone is gay. They have to TELL you. If you don't want to know, don't ask. Most gays and lesbian will not just walk up to you and say "Hi, I'm Al and I'm gay".