Zone1 The Ten Commandments don't apply to us.

[Hafar1014]

As long as it states it is Sharia Law, I have no problem with that at all. It can be among other faith posts.

Its misogyny and incp0mpatible with civil law

 

[Bad Bob]

Bad Bob thinks that's what the story says.

Doesn't it?

Bible Gateway passage: Genesis 7 - New International Version

The LORD then said to Noah, “Go into the ark, you and your whole family, because I have found you righteous in this generation. Take with you seven pairs of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and one pair of every kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, and also seven pairs of...

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19 They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered.
20 The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than fifteen cubits.
21 Every living thing that moved on land perished—birds, livestock, wild animals, all the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind.
22 Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died.
23 Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; people and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds

 

[Hafar1014]

What the constitution actually states as far as religion is concerned is the fact that every citizen has the right OF religion, any religion they choose......not the right FROM everyone else's religious choice. Everyone, regardless of religion has FREEDOM OF SPEECH. Attempting to silence anyone in public, regardless of faith.......is not a form of democracy, its a form of radical despotic tyranny. They do not want religion forced upon them........but they want their minority non-religious opinions forced upon EVERYONE.

The radicals who attempt to redefine the 1st amendment replace OF as a myth with FROM. Their logic, as with most leftist's logic fails to read the entire context of the 1st amendment, which directly follows freedom OF religion by explaining that no one can force any one religion upon you, making it a law of the land.....i.e., ESTABLISHING any one faith over another.

I challenge anyone to find the words FROM religion in the entire 1st amendment text. As always.........the word FROM is not stated in the constitution, FROM came about by a radical interpretation at the sound of a gavel, not any words written on the contract among the states known as the United States Constitution.

Precedence is the favorite word of leftists.........but as demonstrated, legal precedence can be removed just as easily as it was OPINED into law. Example: Roe v. Wade, Voting Gerrymandering.......etc.,

This is why the left attempts to load the federal court system with radical judges who often ignore the contextual integrity of the Constitution.

It doesnt need the word from I can slam the door in the face of Mormons and JWs and get them off my property. Freedom from religions is implied and the natural result

 

[rightwinger]

Have you read my posts? I am insisting every/any religion signs (and even atheist quotes/information) should be allowed. That is what freedom of religion is all about.

You know, if politicians did that they would have a better chance of it being allowed.
But these a hole politicians think other religions are blasphemy and would never consider it. My religion is good and children benefit from learning it

Either way, I dont think public schools are the proper place to teach religion
To do so, you need to allow atheists to post that the Bible is made up stories and there is no evidence of God or Jesus

 

[Meriweather]

One Nation under God
In God We Trust
Forced prayer before public meetings
Mandating posting of the Ten Commandments

All from politicians

One Nation under God: Meaning we are not a nation under a dictator or any government official.
In God we Trust: Again, we are a nation not under any person, but under what is divine. Later, an anti-communist statement.
Forced prayer before public meetings: Prayers may be offered, but no one is forced to participate.
Mandating posting of the Ten Commandments: It's been noted that the Commandments have historical and cultural significance. Personally, I think the law should have been worded, "May be posted" not mandated. However, I may be influenced by the fire marshal who checks classrooms every year and says for fire-safety reasons only so much paper can be on any one wall. This particularly irritated me when I was teaching art with wonderfully talented students, and it was ruled only a very few works of art could be displayed. That would be a situation where I would insist the Ten Commandments come down before student work.

 

[rightwinger]

One Nation under God: Meaning we are not a nation under a dictator or any government official.
In God we Trust: Again, we are a nation not under any person, but under what is divine. Later, an anti-communist statement.
Forced prayer before public meetings: Prayers may be offered, but no one is forced to participate.
Mandating posting of the Ten Commandments: It's been noted that the Commandments have historical and cultural significance. Personally, I think the law should have been worded, "May be posted" not mandated. However, I may be influenced by the fire marshal who checks classrooms every year and says for fire-safety reasons only so much paper can be on any one wall. This particularly irritated me when I was teaching art with wonderfully talented students, and it was ruled only a very few works of art could be displayed. That would be a situation where I would insist the Ten Commandments come down before student work.

All are evidence of politicians mandating Religion

 

[Meriweather]

It's a public wall, which taxpayers did pay for. Are the poster hangers paying rent or can anyone hang up any poster they like? Something like the one below?

Sorry, I haven't been reading all of your posts, but I agree that if one religious poster is allowed, then all should be allowed.
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Of course a poster like the one above should be allowed!

And, what are you saying? That all public walls must remain blank? Remember, we have freedom of expression in this country. so let people express themselves.

 

[Bad Bob]

so anything put on a wall is an endorsement? Do you really think that?

If I put a quote from any religious text, that is a governmenta; endorsement of that religion? Really?

Yes.

You as a teacher, principal or other official or you as a student? If the former, yes, it's an endorsement by authority figures. If the latter, God bless America! It's your freedom to do so.

 

[Meriweather]

Its misogyny and incp0mpatible with civil law

So? Post American Civil Law on a wall as well.

 

[Bad Bob]

Of course a poster like the one above should be allowed!

And, what are you saying? That all public walls must remain blank? Remember, we have freedom of expression in this country. so let people express themselves.

No. I think you and I are agreed that authorities showing favoritism to any particular religion or political party is a very bad idea if not unconstitutional.

 

[Meriweather]

Doesn't it?

The original Hebrew presents another picture. For example, the word for 'earth' did not signify the planet, but the local ground within sight. The flood waters did cover the ground. There is also the suggestion that the rain itself (the vertical downpour) is what "covered" sight of even the highest mountains in that location. It also seems likely that the animals gathered were those living on the local earth/ground--not all animals living on the entire planet.

This was pointed out to me years ago by an atheist Jew whose first language was Hebrew. If I remember correctly, as my usual practice, I followed what he taught me with commentary by at least one other Hebrew Rabbi or scholar. Whatever people believe about Noah's Ark, this may be worth considering. What interests me more is the theme/lessons the story presents.

 

[Meriweather]

You know, if politicians did that they would have a better chance of it being allowed.
But these a hole politicians think other religions are blasphemy and would never consider it. My religion is good and children benefit from learning it

Either way, I dont think public schools are the proper place to teach religion
To do so, you need to allow atheists to post that the Bible is made up stories and there is no evidence of God or Jesus

I am sure my personal belief will come as a huge shock to you. I think all public schools should have any religion classes. Private schools should be for those who do not want their children exposed to religion at all.

 

[Hafar1014]

One Nation under God: Meaning we are not a nation under a dictator or any government official.
In God we Trust: Again, we are a nation not under any person, but under what is divine. Later, an anti-communist statement.
Forced prayer before public meetings: Prayers may be offered, but no one is forced to participate.
Mandating posting of the Ten Commandments: It's been noted that the Commandments have historical and cultural significance. Personally, I think the law should have been worded, "May be posted" not mandated. However, I may be influenced by the fire marshal who checks classrooms every year and says for fire-safety reasons only so much paper can be on any one wall. This particularly irritated me when I was teaching art with wonderfully talented students, and it was ruled only a very few works of art could be displayed. That would be a situation where I would insist the Ten Commandments come down before student work.

The constitution says their creator it never uses the word god. That way athiets can claim nature as their creator. The point is rights are inherent not from the state or peers.

• General Rule (Classroom Mandates): Federal courts, including the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit, have blocked state laws requiring the posting of the Ten Commandments in every classroom. Judges have ruled that these blanket requirements are overtly religious and violate the First Amendment's Establishment Clause.
  American Civil Liberties Union +2

In god we trust isnt law its a slogan.

 

[BreezeWood]

Purity is attainable through Christ and His perfect sacrifice. But the purity is His. We're simply partakers.

again you are speaking for desert dwellers -

those that rely on unverified literary documents of forgeries lies and fallacies ... as the commandments in discussion that are not witnesses by anyone or their stone tablets in existence for verification - madeup by a liar and murderer found in all three desert religions.

used by all three religions to persecute and victimize the innocent

there has never been or ever will be a messiah made in the heavens for any particular group of people over others or for any other reason as contrary to the parable of noah for heavenly intervention to ever occur again till final judgement.

 

[Meriweather]

All are evidence of politicians mandating Religion

I disagree. It is affirming that our freedoms are established by a higher authority than mankind.

 

[rosends]

Yes.

You as a teacher, principal or other official or you as a student? If the former, yes, it's an endorsement by authority figures. If the latter, God bless America! It's your freedom to do so.

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I sense you don't fully appreciate the subtlety of the law and are reducing it to over simplified binaries which don't actually exist. Best of luck.

 

[rosends]

No. I think you and I are agreed that authorities showing favoritism to any particular religion or political party is a very bad idea if not unconstitutional.

so a quote from a democrat would be equally problematic?

 

[Meriweather]

You as a teacher, principal or other official or you as a student? If the former, yes, it's an endorsement by authority figures. If the latter, God bless America! It's your freedom to do so.

As I've posted earlier, endorsements do not establish a religion. Years ago, one of my daughter's high school English teachers endorsed the Wiccan religion. So what? Over dinner it made for a great discussion of Wiccan beliefs and Christian beliefs.

As far as your poster: Since I am a teacher, may I change it to read, "Jesus loves you, but I think you are all exasperating"? (Seriously, I love my students, but along with being lovable, students can also be exasperating.)

 

[Meriweather]

The constitution says their creator it never uses the word god. That way athiets can claim nature as their creator. The point is rights are inherent not from the state or peers.

• General Rule (Classroom Mandates): Federal courts, including the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit, have blocked state laws requiring the posting of the Ten Commandments in every classroom. Judges have ruled that these blanket requirements are overtly religious and violate the First Amendment's Establishment Clause.
  American Civil Liberties Union +2

In god we trust isnt law its a slogan.

Recall recent rulings have been that States can actually mandate hanging The Ten Commandments in every classroom. The Ten Commandments do not establish a religion.

 

[Bad Bob]

The original Hebrew presents another picture. For example, the word for 'earth' did not signify the planet, but the local ground within sight. The flood waters did cover the ground. There is also the suggestion that the rain itself (the vertical downpour) is what "covered" sight of even the highest mountains in that location. It also seems likely that the animals gathered were those living on the local earth/ground--not all animals living on the entire planet.

This was pointed out to me years ago by an atheist Jew whose first language was Hebrew. If I remember correctly, as my usual practice, I followed what he taught me with commentary by at least one other Hebrew Rabbi or scholar. Whatever people believe about Noah's Ark, this may be worth considering. What interests me more is the theme/lessons the story presents.

So it was only a local flood where all the critters of the planet were not on the boat and not really killed? That certainly makes more sense.

Noah simply built a small boat for local domesticated critters, the valley flooded, he and his family survived. End of story. That's much more believable.