The Stock Market Myth: Good News...Stocks Plunge!

[Rambunctious]

The market always goes up and down. Despite that, the Dow is still down 1000 points since last month

In 2008 the market went into free fall...its not in free fall today...tomorrow it could break 27000 and you will look like the tool that you are...so be careful....

 

[Faun]

The market always goes up and down. Despite that, the Dow is still down 1000 points since last month

In 2008 the market went into free fall...its not in free fall today...tomorrow it could break 27000 and you will look like the tool that you are...so be careful....

Lying cuck -- I said nothing about "freefall."

Thanks for admitting even you know you lost this argument.

 

[Pilot1]

The Left views the Stock Market like they do the Weather with Climate Change. Idiots.

 

[Rambunctious]

The market always goes up and down. Despite that, the Dow is still down 1000 points since last month

In 2008 the market went into free fall...its not in free fall today...tomorrow it could break 27000 and you will look like the tool that you are...so be careful....

Lying cuck -- I said nothing about "freefall."

Thanks for admitting even you know you lost this argument.

I know you said nothing about freefall because we are not experiencing one...idiot....I said a free fall would be a sign of a looming recession and we are not in a free fall...damn you are dumb....thanks for making my point that a recession is not on our horizon....

 

[edward37]

A falling dollar and a good economy do NOT go together

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

"Buybacks were illegal throughout most of the 20th century because they were considered a form of stock market manipulation.

If a corporation was intentionally releasing bad news to depress the shares for a buyback and then selling more shares after releasing good news, this might be relevant.

Simply buying back shares rather than paying higher dividends isn't manipulation.

If a corporation was intentionally releasing bad news to depress the shares for a buyback and then selling more shares after releasing good news, this might be relevant.

Simply buying back shares rather than paying higher dividends isn't manipulation.

It's artificially raising share price.

"What exactly is a stock buyback? Stock 'buybacks' are when companies buy back their own stock from shareholders on the open market. When a share of stock is bought back, the company reduces the number of shares left in the market, which raises the price of remaining shares."

Stock Buybacks aren’t Boring Finance Jargon…They’re Deadly. It’s Time to End Them.

It's artificially raising share price.

Why are the higher prices "artificial"?
Raising the price of something by government mandate.....that's artificial.
Not stock buybacks. Sorry.

Over the last 15 years, 94 percent of corporate profits have gone to shareholders in the form of buybacks and dividends, instead of to workers and their families.

Oh no!!!
Profits going to owners, the humanity!!
FYI, worker wages and benefits are much, much higher than profits.

Over the last 15 years, 94 percent of corporate profits have gone to shareholders in the form of buybacks and dividends, instead of to workers and their families.

Oh no!!!
Profits going to owners, the humanity!!

How much labor do the owners perform?
Only capitalism rewards parasites before productive workers.
Maybe that's why useless eaters celebrate exploitation?

Look, Karl.

You and the rest of the commies love to ignore the fact that "exploitation" is a two-way street. The "exploited" have no risk or responsibility. They get a paycheck, regardless of the bottom line. Their entire financial future has not been risked or sacrificed. They are exploiting the employer.

We already know you commies want to steal and redistribute everything to the "collective" but that is just maniacal nonsense that never works and will only enrich a VERY small group of powerful people and force poverty and misery on everyone else.

You know it's true.

The only fair system is the oldest system, natural system.

A very wise man once said:
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.” —Winston Churchill

.

You know it's true.

The only fair system is the oldest system, natural system.

You're pining for the oldest economic system, Winnie?

Churchill wasn't wise; he was among the most vile war criminals who ever lived which probably explains your devotion, right?

You ungrateful little commie ****. Churchill was FIGHTING a war criminal. You wanted a Sunday School teacher for your PM?



Thank Odin you were not in control. English would be the language of the past.

You have no business deciding anything. You're a ******* child.

You commies will never win as long as America exists as it is. That's why we will fight your goose-stepping commie asses to your bloody death to keep your ignorant commie shit the **** out of here.

.Kill a commie for mommy.

.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

A falling dollar and a good economy do NOT go together

That is entirely situational. Don't oversimplify a complex issue.

.

 

[Andylusion]

Why is a measure of future corporate profits taken as a measure of economic well-being?

Good News: The Stock Market is Plunging | Beat the Press | CEPR

"If there is one item about the economy that we can be sure will be repeated every day, it is the movement in the Dow or the S&P 500. And, needless to say, an upward movement is good news and a downward movement is bad news,,,"

"This view that the stock market is a measure of economic well-being is bizarre, because it is so completely at odds with what the stock market is.

"The stock market is a measure of the expectations of future profits of companies that are listed in the exchange: full stop.

"That is not some left-wing radical analysis of stock prices, this is the textbook definition.

"The stock market is not going to rise because people are getting better health care and living longer lives. It won’t rally because workers are getting paid family leave and guaranteed vacation.

"And, it certainly won’t rise because workers find it easier to organize and union membership soars."

Investors in GE, Microsoft, and other corporations will only ask how each of the above mentioned benefits will affect future profit margins of the companies they hold stock in.

If they are likely to lead to lower future profits (rising union memberships or paid family leave), they would expect stock prices to fall.

"It is important that people be clear on this point as the 2020 elections draw closer.

"Many of the policies being proposed by the leading Democratic candidates would be expected to reduce after-tax corporate profits.

"This means that they should be expected to lead to lower stock prices.

"For example, most of the Democratic presidential candidates are advocating strong measures to address climate change.

"These measures will almost by definition mean sharply lower demand for oil and natural gas.

"This will mean sharply lower profits for a major sector of the economy, which will surely depress the stock price of fossil fuel companies."

Here's the kicker.... what happens when the companies close, because they can't make a profit? You talking about better health care and family leave, and paid vacation and living longer.....

But well they get family leave, if they don't have a job? Will they get a vacation, if the company closes? Will they live a longer life, if the country has no companies?

No. People will be starving, and cutting up their family pets to eat, like in Venezuela.

This is what is baffling to me. You support destroying companies... because profits don't show health and vacations and whatever.

But then you look at the countries that have all that, you see the French having massive protests across the entire country. Why are they not super happy with all their government regulated stuff? Why don't they have the utopia you idiots here, claim they should with all their family leave and vacations?

Here's the answer..... because every single benefit you get.... costs something, and the company doesn't have magic money trees.

When the company pays for your benefit.... it has to pay YOU the workers LESS MONEY... to pay for that benefit.

That's why French people are paid less than Americans... so much less that what would be a middle class job in the US, is almost poverty in France. I was reading that a commercial carpet installer in France.... a job that would earn $44K a year here in Ohio, in France they were earning just over $25K (rough conversion from Euros). That's why they were protesting when the government said they needed to jack up gasoline taxes even higher to pay for health care.

Your system does not work. You believe in a myth, that if you just tell government to give you stuff, that magically you'll get it, and those evil wealthy people are going to pay for it.

They are not. The wealthy in France do not pay for it. The workers pay for it in lower wages. That's how life works. You need to get over it.

 

[Faun]

The market always goes up and down. Despite that, the Dow is still down 1000 points since last month

In 2008 the market went into free fall...its not in free fall today...tomorrow it could break 27000 and you will look like the tool that you are...so be careful....

Lying cuck -- I said nothing about "freefall."

Thanks for admitting even you know you lost this argument.

I know you said nothing about freefall because we are not experiencing one...idiot....I said a free fall would be a sign of a looming recession and we are not in a free fall...damn you are dumb....thanks for making my point that a recession is not on our horizon....

LOL

Spits the idiot who doesn't know 26K is less than 27K.

 

[georgephillip]

It's artificially raising share price.

"What exactly is a stock buyback? Stock 'buybacks' are when companies buy back their own stock from shareholders on the open market. When a share of stock is bought back, the company reduces the number of shares left in the market, which raises the price of remaining shares."

Stock Buybacks aren’t Boring Finance Jargon…They’re Deadly. It’s Time to End Them.

It's artificially raising share price.

Why are the higher prices "artificial"?
Raising the price of something by government mandate.....that's artificial.
Not stock buybacks. Sorry.

Over the last 15 years, 94 percent of corporate profits have gone to shareholders in the form of buybacks and dividends, instead of to workers and their families.

Oh no!!!
Profits going to owners, the humanity!!
FYI, worker wages and benefits are much, much higher than profits.

Over the last 15 years, 94 percent of corporate profits have gone to shareholders in the form of buybacks and dividends, instead of to workers and their families.

Oh no!!!
Profits going to owners, the humanity!!

How much labor do the owners perform?
Only capitalism rewards parasites before productive workers.
Maybe that's why useless eaters celebrate exploitation?

Look, Karl.

You and the rest of the commies love to ignore the fact that "exploitation" is a two-way street. The "exploited" have no risk or responsibility. They get a paycheck, regardless of the bottom line. Their entire financial future has not been risked or sacrificed. They are exploiting the employer.

We already know you commies want to steal and redistribute everything to the "collective" but that is just maniacal nonsense that never works and will only enrich a VERY small group of powerful people and force poverty and misery on everyone else.

You know it's true.

The only fair system is the oldest system, natural system.

A very wise man once said:
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.” —Winston Churchill

.

You and the rest of the commies love to ignore the fact that "exploitation" is a two-way street. The "exploited" have no risk or responsibility. They get a paycheck, regardless of the bottom line. Their entire financial future has not been risked or sacrificed. They are exploiting the employer.

But they are not exporting their employers' means of subsistence to China and Mexico, are they, Rockefeller?

https://www.citizen.org/wp-content/uploads/nafta_factsheet_deficit_jobs_wages_feb_2018_final.pdf

That is more of a taxation and regulation problem than anything else. You want to enslave everyone with your commie shit because past politicians fucked up business in America?

That's like killing a mosquito with bazooka.

It sure doesn't help when we have at least 11 million illegal workers driving down the job market and ******* Americans right in the ass, but commies seem to love that problem and will do anything to protect it.

.

That is more of a taxation and regulation problem than anything else. You want to enslave everyone with your commie shit because past politicians fucked up business in America?

That's like killing a mosquito with bazooka.

This is your idea of a mosquito?

https://www.citizen.org/wp-content/uploads/nafta_factsheet_deficit_jobs_wages_feb_2018_final.pdf

"The Economic Policy Institute (EPI) estimates that the rising U.S. trade deficit with Mexico and Canada under NAFTA had already eliminated about one million net jobs in the United States by 2004.10

"EPI estimates that about one third of the jobs lost due to the rising trade deficit under NAFTA’s first decade were in non-manufacturing sectors of the economy, including service sector jobs, which suffered as closed factories no longer demanded services.11

"EPI further calculated that the ballooning trade deficit with Mexico alone destroyed about 850,000 net U.S. jobs between NAFTA’s implementation and 2013.12 This toll has likely grown since 2013, as the non-fossil fuel U.S. trade deficit with Mexico has risen further.13"

Favorable tax and trade policies obtained from political bribes are how capitalists acquire and maintain their fortunes. When their greed makes them hollow out the manufacturing base in one country, they move on to another part of the world. In a socialist economy, workers would have voting members sitting on the boards of directors of the major corporations they work for; do you think they would vote to send their jobs overseas?

 

[georgephillip]

Why is a measure of future corporate profits taken as a measure of economic well-being?

Good News: The Stock Market is Plunging | Beat the Press | CEPR

"If there is one item about the economy that we can be sure will be repeated every day, it is the movement in the Dow or the S&P 500. And, needless to say, an upward movement is good news and a downward movement is bad news,,,"

"This view that the stock market is a measure of economic well-being is bizarre, because it is so completely at odds with what the stock market is.

"The stock market is a measure of the expectations of future profits of companies that are listed in the exchange: full stop.

"That is not some left-wing radical analysis of stock prices, this is the textbook definition.

"The stock market is not going to rise because people are getting better health care and living longer lives. It won’t rally because workers are getting paid family leave and guaranteed vacation.

"And, it certainly won’t rise because workers find it easier to organize and union membership soars."

Investors in GE, Microsoft, and other corporations will only ask how each of the above mentioned benefits will affect future profit margins of the companies they hold stock in.

If they are likely to lead to lower future profits (rising union memberships or paid family leave), they would expect stock prices to fall.

"It is important that people be clear on this point as the 2020 elections draw closer.

"Many of the policies being proposed by the leading Democratic candidates would be expected to reduce after-tax corporate profits.

"This means that they should be expected to lead to lower stock prices.

"For example, most of the Democratic presidential candidates are advocating strong measures to address climate change.

"These measures will almost by definition mean sharply lower demand for oil and natural gas.

"This will mean sharply lower profits for a major sector of the economy, which will surely depress the stock price of fossil fuel companies."

Here's the kicker.... what happens when the companies close, because they can't make a profit? You talking about better health care and family leave, and paid vacation and living longer.....

But well they get family leave, if they don't have a job? Will they get a vacation, if the company closes? Will they live a longer life, if the country has no companies?

No. People will be starving, and cutting up their family pets to eat, like in Venezuela.

This is what is baffling to me. You support destroying companies... because profits don't show health and vacations and whatever.

But then you look at the countries that have all that, you see the French having massive protests across the entire country. Why are they not super happy with all their government regulated stuff? Why don't they have the utopia you idiots here, claim they should with all their family leave and vacations?

Here's the answer..... because every single benefit you get.... costs something, and the company doesn't have magic money trees.

When the company pays for your benefit.... it has to pay YOU the workers LESS MONEY... to pay for that benefit.

That's why French people are paid less than Americans... so much less that what would be a middle class job in the US, is almost poverty in France. I was reading that a commercial carpet installer in France.... a job that would earn $44K a year here in Ohio, in France they were earning just over $25K (rough conversion from Euros). That's why they were protesting when the government said they needed to jack up gasoline taxes even higher to pay for health care.

Your system does not work. You believe in a myth, that if you just tell government to give you stuff, that magically you'll get it, and those evil wealthy people are going to pay for it.

They are not. The wealthy in France do not pay for it. The workers pay for it in lower wages. That's how life works. You need to get over it.

Here's the kicker.... what happens when the companies close, because they can't make a profit? You talking about better health care and family leave, and paid vacation and living longer.....

Has it ever occurred to you the profit motive might be the problem?

FDR provided millions of Americans with jobs when the profit-motive failed spectacularly. Capitalism in an inherently unstable economic system that CRASHES regularly; it is exceptionally efficient at creating wealth and equally inefficient at distributing the spoils of that wealth creation. Capitalism no longer works for at least 90% of Americans, and it deserves retirement.

 

[georgephillip]

Why is a measure of future corporate profits taken as a measure of economic well-being?

Good News: The Stock Market is Plunging | Beat the Press | CEPR

"If there is one item about the economy that we can be sure will be repeated every day, it is the movement in the Dow or the S&P 500. And, needless to say, an upward movement is good news and a downward movement is bad news,,,"

"This view that the stock market is a measure of economic well-being is bizarre, because it is so completely at odds with what the stock market is.

"The stock market is a measure of the expectations of future profits of companies that are listed in the exchange: full stop.

"That is not some left-wing radical analysis of stock prices, this is the textbook definition.

"The stock market is not going to rise because people are getting better health care and living longer lives. It won’t rally because workers are getting paid family leave and guaranteed vacation.

"And, it certainly won’t rise because workers find it easier to organize and union membership soars."

Investors in GE, Microsoft, and other corporations will only ask how each of the above mentioned benefits will affect future profit margins of the companies they hold stock in.

If they are likely to lead to lower future profits (rising union memberships or paid family leave), they would expect stock prices to fall.

"It is important that people be clear on this point as the 2020 elections draw closer.

"Many of the policies being proposed by the leading Democratic candidates would be expected to reduce after-tax corporate profits.

"This means that they should be expected to lead to lower stock prices.

"For example, most of the Democratic presidential candidates are advocating strong measures to address climate change.

"These measures will almost by definition mean sharply lower demand for oil and natural gas.

"This will mean sharply lower profits for a major sector of the economy, which will surely depress the stock price of fossil fuel companies."

Here's the kicker.... what happens when the companies close, because they can't make a profit? You talking about better health care and family leave, and paid vacation and living longer.....

But well they get family leave, if they don't have a job? Will they get a vacation, if the company closes? Will they live a longer life, if the country has no companies?

No. People will be starving, and cutting up their family pets to eat, like in Venezuela.

This is what is baffling to me. You support destroying companies... because profits don't show health and vacations and whatever.

But then you look at the countries that have all that, you see the French having massive protests across the entire country. Why are they not super happy with all their government regulated stuff? Why don't they have the utopia you idiots here, claim they should with all their family leave and vacations?

Here's the answer..... because every single benefit you get.... costs something, and the company doesn't have magic money trees.

When the company pays for your benefit.... it has to pay YOU the workers LESS MONEY... to pay for that benefit.

That's why French people are paid less than Americans... so much less that what would be a middle class job in the US, is almost poverty in France. I was reading that a commercial carpet installer in France.... a job that would earn $44K a year here in Ohio, in France they were earning just over $25K (rough conversion from Euros). That's why they were protesting when the government said they needed to jack up gasoline taxes even higher to pay for health care.

Your system does not work. You believe in a myth, that if you just tell government to give you stuff, that magically you'll get it, and those evil wealthy people are going to pay for it.

They are not. The wealthy in France do not pay for it. The workers pay for it in lower wages. That's how life works. You need to get over it.

But then you look at the countries that have all that, you see the French having massive protests across the entire country. Why are they not super happy with all their government regulated stuff? Why don't they have the utopia you idiots here, claim they should with all their family leave and vacations?

Yellow Vests are motivated by a disproportionate burden of their government's tax reforms falling on the middle and working classes which is exactly what you would expect if you examine Macron's pedigree:

French Pres. Elections: "Unknown" Macron Isn't Unknown, Ties to Rothschild

Here's another kicker, your rich, White comrade in Moscow worries about Yellow Vests coming to his state-capitalist fiefdom:

Putin Tells Macron: 'I Don't Want Yellow Vests in Russia' - The Moscow Times

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

It's artificially raising share price.

Why are the higher prices "artificial"?
Raising the price of something by government mandate.....that's artificial.
Not stock buybacks. Sorry.

Over the last 15 years, 94 percent of corporate profits have gone to shareholders in the form of buybacks and dividends, instead of to workers and their families.

Oh no!!!
Profits going to owners, the humanity!!
FYI, worker wages and benefits are much, much higher than profits.

Over the last 15 years, 94 percent of corporate profits have gone to shareholders in the form of buybacks and dividends, instead of to workers and their families.

Oh no!!!
Profits going to owners, the humanity!!

How much labor do the owners perform?
Only capitalism rewards parasites before productive workers.
Maybe that's why useless eaters celebrate exploitation?

Look, Karl.

You and the rest of the commies love to ignore the fact that "exploitation" is a two-way street. The "exploited" have no risk or responsibility. They get a paycheck, regardless of the bottom line. Their entire financial future has not been risked or sacrificed. They are exploiting the employer.

We already know you commies want to steal and redistribute everything to the "collective" but that is just maniacal nonsense that never works and will only enrich a VERY small group of powerful people and force poverty and misery on everyone else.

You know it's true.

The only fair system is the oldest system, natural system.

A very wise man once said:
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.” —Winston Churchill

.

You and the rest of the commies love to ignore the fact that "exploitation" is a two-way street. The "exploited" have no risk or responsibility. They get a paycheck, regardless of the bottom line. Their entire financial future has not been risked or sacrificed. They are exploiting the employer.

But they are not exporting their employers' means of subsistence to China and Mexico, are they, Rockefeller?

https://www.citizen.org/wp-content/uploads/nafta_factsheet_deficit_jobs_wages_feb_2018_final.pdf

That is more of a taxation and regulation problem than anything else. You want to enslave everyone with your commie shit because past politicians fucked up business in America?

That's like killing a mosquito with bazooka.

It sure doesn't help when we have at least 11 million illegal workers driving down the job market and ******* Americans right in the ass, but commies seem to love that problem and will do anything to protect it.

.

That is more of a taxation and regulation problem than anything else. You want to enslave everyone with your commie shit because past politicians fucked up business in America?

That's like killing a mosquito with bazooka.

This is your idea of a mosquito?

https://www.citizen.org/wp-content/uploads/nafta_factsheet_deficit_jobs_wages_feb_2018_final.pdf

"The Economic Policy Institute (EPI) estimates that the rising U.S. trade deficit with Mexico and Canada under NAFTA had already eliminated about one million net jobs in the United States by 2004.10

"EPI estimates that about one third of the jobs lost due to the rising trade deficit under NAFTA’s first decade were in non-manufacturing sectors of the economy, including service sector jobs, which suffered as closed factories no longer demanded services.11

"EPI further calculated that the ballooning trade deficit with Mexico alone destroyed about 850,000 net U.S. jobs between NAFTA’s implementation and 2013.12 This toll has likely grown since 2013, as the non-fossil fuel U.S. trade deficit with Mexico has risen further.13"

Favorable tax and trade policies obtained from political bribes are how capitalists acquire and maintain their fortunes. When their greed makes them hollow out the manufacturing base in one country, they move on to another part of the world. In a socialist economy, workers would have voting members sitting on the boards of directors of the major corporations they work for; do you think they would vote to send their jobs overseas?

In a socialist economy, workers would have voting members sitting on the boards of directors of the major corporations they work for; do you think they would vote to send their jobs overseas?

Exactly, Venezuela would never outsource their oil sector jobs, they'd just stop paying the oil workers.

How's their grocery store sector lately?
Now that they outlawed "hoarding" and profits?
Price controls are awesome, eh comrade?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Why is a measure of future corporate profits taken as a measure of economic well-being?

Good News: The Stock Market is Plunging | Beat the Press | CEPR

"If there is one item about the economy that we can be sure will be repeated every day, it is the movement in the Dow or the S&P 500. And, needless to say, an upward movement is good news and a downward movement is bad news,,,"

"This view that the stock market is a measure of economic well-being is bizarre, because it is so completely at odds with what the stock market is.

"The stock market is a measure of the expectations of future profits of companies that are listed in the exchange: full stop.

"That is not some left-wing radical analysis of stock prices, this is the textbook definition.

"The stock market is not going to rise because people are getting better health care and living longer lives. It won’t rally because workers are getting paid family leave and guaranteed vacation.

"And, it certainly won’t rise because workers find it easier to organize and union membership soars."

Investors in GE, Microsoft, and other corporations will only ask how each of the above mentioned benefits will affect future profit margins of the companies they hold stock in.

If they are likely to lead to lower future profits (rising union memberships or paid family leave), they would expect stock prices to fall.

"It is important that people be clear on this point as the 2020 elections draw closer.

"Many of the policies being proposed by the leading Democratic candidates would be expected to reduce after-tax corporate profits.

"This means that they should be expected to lead to lower stock prices.

"For example, most of the Democratic presidential candidates are advocating strong measures to address climate change.

"These measures will almost by definition mean sharply lower demand for oil and natural gas.

"This will mean sharply lower profits for a major sector of the economy, which will surely depress the stock price of fossil fuel companies."

Here's the kicker.... what happens when the companies close, because they can't make a profit? You talking about better health care and family leave, and paid vacation and living longer.....

But well they get family leave, if they don't have a job? Will they get a vacation, if the company closes? Will they live a longer life, if the country has no companies?

No. People will be starving, and cutting up their family pets to eat, like in Venezuela.

This is what is baffling to me. You support destroying companies... because profits don't show health and vacations and whatever.

But then you look at the countries that have all that, you see the French having massive protests across the entire country. Why are they not super happy with all their government regulated stuff? Why don't they have the utopia you idiots here, claim they should with all their family leave and vacations?

Here's the answer..... because every single benefit you get.... costs something, and the company doesn't have magic money trees.

When the company pays for your benefit.... it has to pay YOU the workers LESS MONEY... to pay for that benefit.

That's why French people are paid less than Americans... so much less that what would be a middle class job in the US, is almost poverty in France. I was reading that a commercial carpet installer in France.... a job that would earn $44K a year here in Ohio, in France they were earning just over $25K (rough conversion from Euros). That's why they were protesting when the government said they needed to jack up gasoline taxes even higher to pay for health care.

Your system does not work. You believe in a myth, that if you just tell government to give you stuff, that magically you'll get it, and those evil wealthy people are going to pay for it.

They are not. The wealthy in France do not pay for it. The workers pay for it in lower wages. That's how life works. You need to get over it.

Here's the kicker.... what happens when the companies close, because they can't make a profit? You talking about better health care and family leave, and paid vacation and living longer.....

Has it ever occurred to you the profit motive might be the problem?

FDR provided millions of Americans with jobs when the profit-motive failed spectacularly. Capitalism in an inherently unstable economic system that CRASHES regularly; it is exceptionally efficient at creating wealth and equally inefficient at distributing the spoils of that wealth creation. Capitalism no longer works for at least 90% of Americans, and it deserves retirement.

Capitalism in an inherently unstable economic system that CRASHES regularly;

How is stable East German Communism doing?
What color is your Trabant?

Has it ever occurred to you the profit motive might be the problem?

Who gets the Venezuelan oil profits?
How's that working out?

 

[georgephillip]

How much labor do the owners perform?
Only capitalism rewards parasites before productive workers.
Maybe that's why useless eaters celebrate exploitation?

Look, Karl.

You and the rest of the commies love to ignore the fact that "exploitation" is a two-way street. The "exploited" have no risk or responsibility. They get a paycheck, regardless of the bottom line. Their entire financial future has not been risked or sacrificed. They are exploiting the employer.

We already know you commies want to steal and redistribute everything to the "collective" but that is just maniacal nonsense that never works and will only enrich a VERY small group of powerful people and force poverty and misery on everyone else.

You know it's true.

The only fair system is the oldest system, natural system.

A very wise man once said:
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.” —Winston Churchill

.

You and the rest of the commies love to ignore the fact that "exploitation" is a two-way street. The "exploited" have no risk or responsibility. They get a paycheck, regardless of the bottom line. Their entire financial future has not been risked or sacrificed. They are exploiting the employer.

But they are not exporting their employers' means of subsistence to China and Mexico, are they, Rockefeller?

https://www.citizen.org/wp-content/uploads/nafta_factsheet_deficit_jobs_wages_feb_2018_final.pdf

That is more of a taxation and regulation problem than anything else. You want to enslave everyone with your commie shit because past politicians fucked up business in America?

That's like killing a mosquito with bazooka.

It sure doesn't help when we have at least 11 million illegal workers driving down the job market and ******* Americans right in the ass, but commies seem to love that problem and will do anything to protect it.

.

That is more of a taxation and regulation problem than anything else. You want to enslave everyone with your commie shit because past politicians fucked up business in America?

That's like killing a mosquito with bazooka.

This is your idea of a mosquito?

https://www.citizen.org/wp-content/uploads/nafta_factsheet_deficit_jobs_wages_feb_2018_final.pdf

"The Economic Policy Institute (EPI) estimates that the rising U.S. trade deficit with Mexico and Canada under NAFTA had already eliminated about one million net jobs in the United States by 2004.10

"EPI estimates that about one third of the jobs lost due to the rising trade deficit under NAFTA’s first decade were in non-manufacturing sectors of the economy, including service sector jobs, which suffered as closed factories no longer demanded services.11

"EPI further calculated that the ballooning trade deficit with Mexico alone destroyed about 850,000 net U.S. jobs between NAFTA’s implementation and 2013.12 This toll has likely grown since 2013, as the non-fossil fuel U.S. trade deficit with Mexico has risen further.13"

Favorable tax and trade policies obtained from political bribes are how capitalists acquire and maintain their fortunes. When their greed makes them hollow out the manufacturing base in one country, they move on to another part of the world. In a socialist economy, workers would have voting members sitting on the boards of directors of the major corporations they work for; do you think they would vote to send their jobs overseas?

In a socialist economy, workers would have voting members sitting on the boards of directors of the major corporations they work for; do you think they would vote to send their jobs overseas?

Exactly, Venezuela would never outsource their oil sector jobs, they'd just stop paying the oil workers.

How's their grocery store sector lately?
Now that they outlawed "hoarding" and profits?
Price controls are awesome, eh comrade?

Exactly, Venezuela would never outsource their oil sector jobs, they'd just stop paying the oil workers.

Why would Venezuela use its world's reserve currency to sanction its oil exports?

"WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Treasury Department on Thursday tightened its pressure on Venezuela’s state-owned oil company by making clear that exports of diluents by international shippers could be subject to U.S. sanctions."

U.S. tightens Venezuela oil sanctions, indicates more actions to come - Reuters

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Look, Karl.

You and the rest of the commies love to ignore the fact that "exploitation" is a two-way street. The "exploited" have no risk or responsibility. They get a paycheck, regardless of the bottom line. Their entire financial future has not been risked or sacrificed. They are exploiting the employer.

We already know you commies want to steal and redistribute everything to the "collective" but that is just maniacal nonsense that never works and will only enrich a VERY small group of powerful people and force poverty and misery on everyone else.

You know it's true.

The only fair system is the oldest system, natural system.

A very wise man once said:
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.” —Winston Churchill

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You and the rest of the commies love to ignore the fact that "exploitation" is a two-way street. The "exploited" have no risk or responsibility. They get a paycheck, regardless of the bottom line. Their entire financial future has not been risked or sacrificed. They are exploiting the employer.

But they are not exporting their employers' means of subsistence to China and Mexico, are they, Rockefeller?

https://www.citizen.org/wp-content/uploads/nafta_factsheet_deficit_jobs_wages_feb_2018_final.pdf

That is more of a taxation and regulation problem than anything else. You want to enslave everyone with your commie shit because past politicians fucked up business in America?

That's like killing a mosquito with bazooka.

It sure doesn't help when we have at least 11 million illegal workers driving down the job market and ******* Americans right in the ass, but commies seem to love that problem and will do anything to protect it.

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That is more of a taxation and regulation problem than anything else. You want to enslave everyone with your commie shit because past politicians fucked up business in America?

That's like killing a mosquito with bazooka.

This is your idea of a mosquito?

https://www.citizen.org/wp-content/uploads/nafta_factsheet_deficit_jobs_wages_feb_2018_final.pdf

"The Economic Policy Institute (EPI) estimates that the rising U.S. trade deficit with Mexico and Canada under NAFTA had already eliminated about one million net jobs in the United States by 2004.10

"EPI estimates that about one third of the jobs lost due to the rising trade deficit under NAFTA’s first decade were in non-manufacturing sectors of the economy, including service sector jobs, which suffered as closed factories no longer demanded services.11

"EPI further calculated that the ballooning trade deficit with Mexico alone destroyed about 850,000 net U.S. jobs between NAFTA’s implementation and 2013.12 This toll has likely grown since 2013, as the non-fossil fuel U.S. trade deficit with Mexico has risen further.13"

Favorable tax and trade policies obtained from political bribes are how capitalists acquire and maintain their fortunes. When their greed makes them hollow out the manufacturing base in one country, they move on to another part of the world. In a socialist economy, workers would have voting members sitting on the boards of directors of the major corporations they work for; do you think they would vote to send their jobs overseas?

In a socialist economy, workers would have voting members sitting on the boards of directors of the major corporations they work for; do you think they would vote to send their jobs overseas?

Exactly, Venezuela would never outsource their oil sector jobs, they'd just stop paying the oil workers.

How's their grocery store sector lately?
Now that they outlawed "hoarding" and profits?
Price controls are awesome, eh comrade?

Exactly, Venezuela would never outsource their oil sector jobs, they'd just stop paying the oil workers.

Why would Venezuela use its world's reserve currency to sanction its oil exports?

"WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Treasury Department on Thursday tightened its pressure on Venezuela’s state-owned oil company by making clear that exports of diluents by international shippers could be subject to U.S. sanctions."

U.S. tightens Venezuela oil sanctions, indicates more actions to come - Reuters

How Venezuela Ruined Its Oil Industry

Chavez, champion of the working man, fired striking unionized oil workers?
Who did he think he was, Reagan?

Stealing the foreign provided infrastructure........excellent idea, comrade!!!

What could go wrong?

 

[basquebromance]

"it just seems the economy does better under Democrats" - Trump told Blitzer in 2014

 

[Likkmee]

Want a secret ? Thanks to tRump .? Norfolk Southern

 

[Rambunctious]

The market always goes up and down. Despite that, the Dow is still down 1000 points since last month

In 2008 the market went into free fall...its not in free fall today...tomorrow it could break 27000 and you will look like the tool that you are...so be careful....

Lying cuck -- I said nothing about "freefall."

Thanks for admitting even you know you lost this argument.

I know you said nothing about freefall because we are not experiencing one...idiot....I said a free fall would be a sign of a looming recession and we are not in a free fall...damn you are dumb....thanks for making my point that a recession is not on our horizon....

LOL

Spits the idiot who doesn't know 26K is less than 27K.

You lost again Faun...go away....you are too easy...

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

It's artificially raising share price.

Why are the higher prices "artificial"?
Raising the price of something by government mandate.....that's artificial.
Not stock buybacks. Sorry.

Over the last 15 years, 94 percent of corporate profits have gone to shareholders in the form of buybacks and dividends, instead of to workers and their families.

Oh no!!!
Profits going to owners, the humanity!!
FYI, worker wages and benefits are much, much higher than profits.

Over the last 15 years, 94 percent of corporate profits have gone to shareholders in the form of buybacks and dividends, instead of to workers and their families.

Oh no!!!
Profits going to owners, the humanity!!

How much labor do the owners perform?
Only capitalism rewards parasites before productive workers.
Maybe that's why useless eaters celebrate exploitation?

Look, Karl.

You and the rest of the commies love to ignore the fact that "exploitation" is a two-way street. The "exploited" have no risk or responsibility. They get a paycheck, regardless of the bottom line. Their entire financial future has not been risked or sacrificed. They are exploiting the employer.

We already know you commies want to steal and redistribute everything to the "collective" but that is just maniacal nonsense that never works and will only enrich a VERY small group of powerful people and force poverty and misery on everyone else.

You know it's true.

The only fair system is the oldest system, natural system.

A very wise man once said:
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.” —Winston Churchill

.

You and the rest of the commies love to ignore the fact that "exploitation" is a two-way street. The "exploited" have no risk or responsibility. They get a paycheck, regardless of the bottom line. Their entire financial future has not been risked or sacrificed. They are exploiting the employer.

But they are not exporting their employers' means of subsistence to China and Mexico, are they, Rockefeller?

https://www.citizen.org/wp-content/uploads/nafta_factsheet_deficit_jobs_wages_feb_2018_final.pdf

That is more of a taxation and regulation problem than anything else. You want to enslave everyone with your commie shit because past politicians fucked up business in America?

That's like killing a mosquito with bazooka.

It sure doesn't help when we have at least 11 million illegal workers driving down the job market and ******* Americans right in the ass, but commies seem to love that problem and will do anything to protect it.

.

That is more of a taxation and regulation problem than anything else. You want to enslave everyone with your commie shit because past politicians fucked up business in America?

That's like killing a mosquito with bazooka.

This is your idea of a mosquito?

https://www.citizen.org/wp-content/uploads/nafta_factsheet_deficit_jobs_wages_feb_2018_final.pdf

"The Economic Policy Institute (EPI) estimates that the rising U.S. trade deficit with Mexico and Canada under NAFTA had already eliminated about one million net jobs in the United States by 2004.10

"EPI estimates that about one third of the jobs lost due to the rising trade deficit under NAFTA’s first decade were in non-manufacturing sectors of the economy, including service sector jobs, which suffered as closed factories no longer demanded services.11

"EPI further calculated that the ballooning trade deficit with Mexico alone destroyed about 850,000 net U.S. jobs between NAFTA’s implementation and 2013.12 This toll has likely grown since 2013, as the non-fossil fuel U.S. trade deficit with Mexico has risen further.13"

Favorable tax and trade policies obtained from political bribes are how capitalists acquire and maintain their fortunes. When their greed makes them hollow out the manufacturing base in one country, they move on to another part of the world. In a socialist economy, workers would have voting members sitting on the boards of directors of the major corporations they work for; do you think they would vote to send their jobs overseas?

Oh, I see. You don't ******* know what Socialism even is.

Sorry I wasted my time.

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