The Stock Market Myth: Good News...Stocks Plunge!

[edward37]

Like I've said before Ram I'm doing great in this economy but somewhere down the line there has to be some clarity This moron reminds me of the song "first you say you do ,and then you don't ,your undecided now so what are you going to do" Now besides that the man is a bully a blathering bigoted perverted piece of humanity

 

[Faun]

Of course the economy is sliding. The president doesn't give tax breaks in a good economy. The fed doesn't cut the federal fund rate in a good economy. The stock market doesn't turn flat in a good economy.

Trump hasn't cut the income tax rate and the fed is not racing to cut the interest rate so what are you talking about?....if anything clowns like you will talk us into greater inflation....lol

As always, you have no idea what you're talking about....

Fed Cuts Interest Rates for First Time Since 2008 Crisis

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...ab28ec-c2bd-11e9-b72f-b31dfaa77212_story.html

You dishonest little prick...you know that cut was not large enough to have been done with any concern of a coming recession.....nice try asswipe...

LOLOL

You dumbfuck, tax cuts are meant to fire up a failing economy.

What tax cut? dumbfuck.....the market is back over 26000 and people are very happy with Trump's economy...there is nothing you and your anti American libs in the media can do about that....the economy is too strong to talk it down....so sit back and enjoy.....

The one he's contemplating. Did you not read the link I gave you or did you not understand it?

And 26,000? It was over 27,000 last month. Aside from proving you're a trump fluffier, you also prove you don't know up from down.

 

[Rambunctious]

Trump hasn't cut the income tax rate and the fed is not racing to cut the interest rate so what are you talking about?....if anything clowns like you will talk us into greater inflation....lol

As always, you have no idea what you're talking about....

Fed Cuts Interest Rates for First Time Since 2008 Crisis

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...ab28ec-c2bd-11e9-b72f-b31dfaa77212_story.html

You dishonest little prick...you know that cut was not large enough to have been done with any concern of a coming recession.....nice try asswipe...

LOLOL

You dumbfuck, tax cuts are meant to fire up a failing economy.

What tax cut? dumbfuck.....the market is back over 26000 and people are very happy with Trump's economy...there is nothing you and your anti American libs in the media can do about that....the economy is too strong to talk it down....so sit back and enjoy.....

The one he's contemplating. Did you not read the link I gave you or did you not understand it?

And 26,000? It was over 27,000 last month. Aside from proving you're a trump fluffier, you also prove you don't know up from down.

So now you are arguing that the market above 26000 is a bad thing?....wow you really want to see a recession don't ya?....well you are not going to get one....just like Flynn will never go to jail....Flynn will walk....who's your daddy?...

 

[Faun]

As always, you have no idea what you're talking about....

Fed Cuts Interest Rates for First Time Since 2008 Crisis

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...ab28ec-c2bd-11e9-b72f-b31dfaa77212_story.html

You dishonest little prick...you know that cut was not large enough to have been done with any concern of a coming recession.....nice try asswipe...

LOLOL

You dumbfuck, tax cuts are meant to fire up a failing economy.

What tax cut? dumbfuck.....the market is back over 26000 and people are very happy with Trump's economy...there is nothing you and your anti American libs in the media can do about that....the economy is too strong to talk it down....so sit back and enjoy.....

The one he's contemplating. Did you not read the link I gave you or did you not understand it?

And 26,000? It was over 27,000 last month. Aside from proving you're a trump fluffier, you also prove you don't know up from down.

So now you are arguing that the market above 26000 is a bad thing?....wow you really want to see a recession don't ya?....well you are not going to get one....just like Flynn will never go to jail....Flynn will walk....who's your daddy?...

LOLOL

No, I didn't say 26K was bad ... I said it was down from 27K. You seem to be under the delusion that the market is going up when it's down from last month.

As far as Flynn, he hasn't walked yet and in fact had to ask a judge recently for permission to travel to Atlanta. The only way he walks is if trump pardons him.

 

[Rambunctious]

No, I didn't say 26K was bad ... I said it was down from 27K. You seem to be under the delusion that the market is going up when it's down from last month.

You insinuated that a drop from 27000 to 26000 is somehow indicative of a coming recession which is balderdash...

 

[georgephillip]

Why is a measure of future corporate profits taken as a measure of economic well-being?

Good News: The Stock Market is Plunging | Beat the Press | CEPR

"If there is one item about the economy that we can be sure will be repeated every day, it is the movement in the Dow or the S&P 500. And, needless to say, an upward movement is good news and a downward movement is bad news,,,"

"This view that the stock market is a measure of economic well-being is bizarre, because it is so completely at odds with what the stock market is.

"The stock market is a measure of the expectations of future profits of companies that are listed in the exchange: full stop.

"That is not some left-wing radical analysis of stock prices, this is the textbook definition.

"The stock market is not going to rise because people are getting better health care and living longer lives. It won’t rally because workers are getting paid family leave and guaranteed vacation.

"And, it certainly won’t rise because workers find it easier to organize and union membership soars."

Investors in GE, Microsoft, and other corporations will only ask how each of the above mentioned benefits will affect future profit margins of the companies they hold stock in.

If they are likely to lead to lower future profits (rising union memberships or paid family leave), they would expect stock prices to fall.

"It is important that people be clear on this point as the 2020 elections draw closer.

"Many of the policies being proposed by the leading Democratic candidates would be expected to reduce after-tax corporate profits.

"This means that they should be expected to lead to lower stock prices.

"For example, most of the Democratic presidential candidates are advocating strong measures to address climate change.

"These measures will almost by definition mean sharply lower demand for oil and natural gas.

"This will mean sharply lower profits for a major sector of the economy, which will surely depress the stock price of fossil fuel companies."

Because of international markets, what’s good for Wall Street investors is not always good for Main Street USA. Average working class Americans...in fact most Americans...can’t afford an “investment portfolio.”

Because of international markets, what’s good for Wall Street investors is not always good for Main Street USA. Average working class Americans...in fact most Americans...can’t afford an “investment portfolio.”

Both major US political parties seem to target their economic policies in ways that benefit their donor class (richest ten percent of voters) often at the expense of the other 90% of Americans.

Do you have a picture of the bird with the Communist Party wings?

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Is this it?

Do you have a picture of the bird with the Communist Party wings?

Why do you have so much trouble defending capitalism?

"The lack of economic opportunity for low-wage and middle-class American families is not an accident of history, not a nameless economic force against which we find ourselves powerless.

"Rather, the highly unequal distribution of resources and opportunities within our society is a direct result of a series of policy choices that, together, have had the effect of weakening the power of workers to defend their rights in the workplace and in the political arena, thereby tilting the playing field in favor of moneyed and corporate interests."

Let’s not give up on the American Dream: Testimony before the Economic Policy Subcommittee of the U.S. Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs

"The lack of economic opportunity for low-wage and middle-class American families is not an accident of history, not a nameless economic force against which we find ourselves powerless.

Exactly!

Just look at the economic opportunity in Cuba and Venezuela, eh comrade?

Exactly!

Just look at the economic opportunity in Cuba and Venezuela, eh comrade?

How's the economic opportunity in US inner cities, Kulak?

Do you think prison sweat shops represent economic opportunities?
Maybe Trump will pull himself upright by his own bootstraps

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

WOW.

Regardless of the measures taken or consequences to individual liberty?

Everyone would be much safer, sheltered, fed, and protected, if we were all put in jail. Is that the measure?

.

 

[georgephillip]

What effects did Reagan's legalization of stock buy-backs have on the rising market?

Stock Buybacks Were Once Illegal. Why Are They Legal Now? - The Intellectualist

"The SEC changed policy during the Reagan administration in 1982.

"The notion of stock buybacks has gained increased attention in recent years, primarily in light of America's growing wealth and income inequality but also for the Republican tax plan that President Donald Trump signed last year."

Stock buybacks raise the price of the stock and the CEO whose salary is based on stock price makes a killing

Stock buybacks raise the price of the stock and the CEO whose salary is based on stock price makes a killing

Buybacks were illegal during a time when corporations were not committed to advancing shareholder interests at the expense of all other considerations, i.e., labor and consumer rights, environmental degradation, and ever-widening gaps in income and wealth.

Stock Buybacks Were Once Illegal. Why Are They Legal Now? - The Intellectualist

"Buybacks were illegal throughout most of the 20th century because they were considered a form of stock market manipulation. But in 1982, the Securities and Exchange Commission passed rule 10b-18, which created a legal process for buybacks and opened the floodgates for companies to start repurchasing their stock en masse.

"The SEC's decision to make this shift came against the backdrop of President Ronald Reagan's era of deregulation and coincided with the rise of 'free market' economists preaching a new type of social responsibility for business: increasing profits.

"This shift in corporate mentality is well appreciated in statements on social responsibility from the Business Roundtable, a politically conservative association of chief executive officers of top American companies, as they differ from 1981 to 1997.

"The 1981 statement still held that companies were obligated to consider their social impact alongside making profits"

Perhaps some enlightened capitalists are now rethinking shareholder value?

Shareholder Value Is No Longer Everything, Top C.E.O.s Say

"Buybacks were illegal throughout most of the 20th century because they were considered a form of stock market manipulation.

If a corporation was intentionally releasing bad news to depress the shares for a buyback and then selling more shares after releasing good news, this might be relevant.

Simply buying back shares rather than paying higher dividends isn't manipulation.

If a corporation was intentionally releasing bad news to depress the shares for a buyback and then selling more shares after releasing good news, this might be relevant.

Simply buying back shares rather than paying higher dividends isn't manipulation.

It's artificially raising share price.

"What exactly is a stock buyback? Stock 'buybacks' are when companies buy back their own stock from shareholders on the open market. When a share of stock is bought back, the company reduces the number of shares left in the market, which raises the price of remaining shares."

Stock Buybacks aren’t Boring Finance Jargon…They’re Deadly. It’s Time to End Them.

It's artificially raising share price.

Why are the higher prices "artificial"?
Raising the price of something by government mandate.....that's artificial.
Not stock buybacks. Sorry.

Over the last 15 years, 94 percent of corporate profits have gone to shareholders in the form of buybacks and dividends, instead of to workers and their families.

Oh no!!!
Profits going to owners, the humanity!!
FYI, worker wages and benefits are much, much higher than profits.

Over the last 15 years, 94 percent of corporate profits have gone to shareholders in the form of buybacks and dividends, instead of to workers and their families.

Oh no!!!
Profits going to owners, the humanity!!

How much labor do the owners perform?
Only capitalism rewards parasites before productive workers.
Maybe that's why useless eaters celebrate exploitation?

 

[georgephillip]

WOW.

Regardless of the measures taken or consequences to individual liberty?

Everyone would be much safer, sheltered, fed, and protected, if we were all put in jail. Is that the measure?

.

Regardless of the measures taken or consequences to individual liberty?

Everyone would be much safer, sheltered, fed, and protected, if we were all put in jail. Is that the measure?

Not. Even. Close.
It's hard to see how denying individual and economic freedoms to everyone comports with the greatest good for the greatest number?

Jeremy Bentham - Wikipedia

"Bentham defined as the 'fundamental axiom' of his philosophy the principle that 'it is the greatest happiness of the greatest number that is the measure of right and wrong.'[5][6]

"He became a leading theorist in Anglo-American philosophy of law, and a political radical whose ideas influenced the development of welfarism.

"He advocated for individual and economic freedoms, the separation of church and state, freedom of expression, equal rights for women, the right to divorce, and (in an unpublished essay) the decriminalising of homosexual acts.[7][8]

"He called for the abolition of slavery, of the death penalty, and of physical punishment, including that of children.[9]

"He has also become known as an early advocate of animal rights.[10][11][12][13]

"Though strongly in favour of the extension of individual legal rights, he opposed the idea of natural law and natural rights (both of which are considered 'divine' or 'God-given' in origin), calling them 'nonsense upon stilts'.[3][14]"

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Stock buybacks raise the price of the stock and the CEO whose salary is based on stock price makes a killing

Stock buybacks raise the price of the stock and the CEO whose salary is based on stock price makes a killing

Buybacks were illegal during a time when corporations were not committed to advancing shareholder interests at the expense of all other considerations, i.e., labor and consumer rights, environmental degradation, and ever-widening gaps in income and wealth.

Stock Buybacks Were Once Illegal. Why Are They Legal Now? - The Intellectualist

"Buybacks were illegal throughout most of the 20th century because they were considered a form of stock market manipulation. But in 1982, the Securities and Exchange Commission passed rule 10b-18, which created a legal process for buybacks and opened the floodgates for companies to start repurchasing their stock en masse.

"The SEC's decision to make this shift came against the backdrop of President Ronald Reagan's era of deregulation and coincided with the rise of 'free market' economists preaching a new type of social responsibility for business: increasing profits.

"This shift in corporate mentality is well appreciated in statements on social responsibility from the Business Roundtable, a politically conservative association of chief executive officers of top American companies, as they differ from 1981 to 1997.

"The 1981 statement still held that companies were obligated to consider their social impact alongside making profits"

Perhaps some enlightened capitalists are now rethinking shareholder value?

Shareholder Value Is No Longer Everything, Top C.E.O.s Say

"Buybacks were illegal throughout most of the 20th century because they were considered a form of stock market manipulation.

If a corporation was intentionally releasing bad news to depress the shares for a buyback and then selling more shares after releasing good news, this might be relevant.

Simply buying back shares rather than paying higher dividends isn't manipulation.

If a corporation was intentionally releasing bad news to depress the shares for a buyback and then selling more shares after releasing good news, this might be relevant.

Simply buying back shares rather than paying higher dividends isn't manipulation.

It's artificially raising share price.

"What exactly is a stock buyback? Stock 'buybacks' are when companies buy back their own stock from shareholders on the open market. When a share of stock is bought back, the company reduces the number of shares left in the market, which raises the price of remaining shares."

Stock Buybacks aren’t Boring Finance Jargon…They’re Deadly. It’s Time to End Them.

It's artificially raising share price.

Why are the higher prices "artificial"?
Raising the price of something by government mandate.....that's artificial.
Not stock buybacks. Sorry.

Over the last 15 years, 94 percent of corporate profits have gone to shareholders in the form of buybacks and dividends, instead of to workers and their families.

Oh no!!!
Profits going to owners, the humanity!!
FYI, worker wages and benefits are much, much higher than profits.

Over the last 15 years, 94 percent of corporate profits have gone to shareholders in the form of buybacks and dividends, instead of to workers and their families.

Oh no!!!
Profits going to owners, the humanity!!

How much labor do the owners perform?
Only capitalism rewards parasites before productive workers.
Maybe that's why useless eaters celebrate exploitation?

Look, Karl.

You and the rest of the commies love to ignore the fact that "exploitation" is a two-way street. The "exploited" have no risk or responsibility. They get a paycheck, regardless of the bottom line. Their entire financial future has not been risked or sacrificed. They are exploiting the employer.

We already know you commies want to steal and redistribute everything to the "collective" but that is just maniacal nonsense that never works and will only enrich a VERY small group of powerful people and force poverty and misery on everyone else.

You know it's true.

The only fair system is the oldest system, natural system.

A very wise man once said:
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.” —Winston Churchill

.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Because of international markets, what’s good for Wall Street investors is not always good for Main Street USA. Average working class Americans...in fact most Americans...can’t afford an “investment portfolio.”

Because of international markets, what’s good for Wall Street investors is not always good for Main Street USA. Average working class Americans...in fact most Americans...can’t afford an “investment portfolio.”

Both major US political parties seem to target their economic policies in ways that benefit their donor class (richest ten percent of voters) often at the expense of the other 90% of Americans.

Do you have a picture of the bird with the Communist Party wings?

View attachment 275347
Is this it?

Do you have a picture of the bird with the Communist Party wings?

Why do you have so much trouble defending capitalism?

"The lack of economic opportunity for low-wage and middle-class American families is not an accident of history, not a nameless economic force against which we find ourselves powerless.

"Rather, the highly unequal distribution of resources and opportunities within our society is a direct result of a series of policy choices that, together, have had the effect of weakening the power of workers to defend their rights in the workplace and in the political arena, thereby tilting the playing field in favor of moneyed and corporate interests."

Let’s not give up on the American Dream: Testimony before the Economic Policy Subcommittee of the U.S. Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs

"The lack of economic opportunity for low-wage and middle-class American families is not an accident of history, not a nameless economic force against which we find ourselves powerless.

Exactly!

Just look at the economic opportunity in Cuba and Venezuela, eh comrade?

Exactly!

Just look at the economic opportunity in Cuba and Venezuela, eh comrade?

How's the economic opportunity in US inner cities, Kulak?

Do you think prison sweat shops represent economic opportunities?
Maybe Trump will pull himself upright by his own bootstraps

It's true, Democrats fuck up inner cities.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Stock buybacks raise the price of the stock and the CEO whose salary is based on stock price makes a killing

Stock buybacks raise the price of the stock and the CEO whose salary is based on stock price makes a killing

Buybacks were illegal during a time when corporations were not committed to advancing shareholder interests at the expense of all other considerations, i.e., labor and consumer rights, environmental degradation, and ever-widening gaps in income and wealth.

Stock Buybacks Were Once Illegal. Why Are They Legal Now? - The Intellectualist

"Buybacks were illegal throughout most of the 20th century because they were considered a form of stock market manipulation. But in 1982, the Securities and Exchange Commission passed rule 10b-18, which created a legal process for buybacks and opened the floodgates for companies to start repurchasing their stock en masse.

"The SEC's decision to make this shift came against the backdrop of President Ronald Reagan's era of deregulation and coincided with the rise of 'free market' economists preaching a new type of social responsibility for business: increasing profits.

"This shift in corporate mentality is well appreciated in statements on social responsibility from the Business Roundtable, a politically conservative association of chief executive officers of top American companies, as they differ from 1981 to 1997.

"The 1981 statement still held that companies were obligated to consider their social impact alongside making profits"

Perhaps some enlightened capitalists are now rethinking shareholder value?

Shareholder Value Is No Longer Everything, Top C.E.O.s Say

"Buybacks were illegal throughout most of the 20th century because they were considered a form of stock market manipulation.

If a corporation was intentionally releasing bad news to depress the shares for a buyback and then selling more shares after releasing good news, this might be relevant.

Simply buying back shares rather than paying higher dividends isn't manipulation.

If a corporation was intentionally releasing bad news to depress the shares for a buyback and then selling more shares after releasing good news, this might be relevant.

Simply buying back shares rather than paying higher dividends isn't manipulation.

It's artificially raising share price.

"What exactly is a stock buyback? Stock 'buybacks' are when companies buy back their own stock from shareholders on the open market. When a share of stock is bought back, the company reduces the number of shares left in the market, which raises the price of remaining shares."

Stock Buybacks aren’t Boring Finance Jargon…They’re Deadly. It’s Time to End Them.

It's artificially raising share price.

Why are the higher prices "artificial"?
Raising the price of something by government mandate.....that's artificial.
Not stock buybacks. Sorry.

Over the last 15 years, 94 percent of corporate profits have gone to shareholders in the form of buybacks and dividends, instead of to workers and their families.

Oh no!!!
Profits going to owners, the humanity!!
FYI, worker wages and benefits are much, much higher than profits.

Over the last 15 years, 94 percent of corporate profits have gone to shareholders in the form of buybacks and dividends, instead of to workers and their families.

Oh no!!!
Profits going to owners, the humanity!!

How much labor do the owners perform?
Only capitalism rewards parasites before productive workers.
Maybe that's why useless eaters celebrate exploitation?

How much labor do the owners perform?

When?

Only capitalism rewards parasites before productive workers.

If that were true, you'd be a lot less whiney.

Why'd you leave this out?

FYI, worker wages and benefits are much, much higher than profits.

Is it because you're a whiney twat?

 

[georgephillip]

Buybacks were illegal during a time when corporations were not committed to advancing shareholder interests at the expense of all other considerations, i.e., labor and consumer rights, environmental degradation, and ever-widening gaps in income and wealth.

Stock Buybacks Were Once Illegal. Why Are They Legal Now? - The Intellectualist

"Buybacks were illegal throughout most of the 20th century because they were considered a form of stock market manipulation. But in 1982, the Securities and Exchange Commission passed rule 10b-18, which created a legal process for buybacks and opened the floodgates for companies to start repurchasing their stock en masse.

"The SEC's decision to make this shift came against the backdrop of President Ronald Reagan's era of deregulation and coincided with the rise of 'free market' economists preaching a new type of social responsibility for business: increasing profits.

"This shift in corporate mentality is well appreciated in statements on social responsibility from the Business Roundtable, a politically conservative association of chief executive officers of top American companies, as they differ from 1981 to 1997.

"The 1981 statement still held that companies were obligated to consider their social impact alongside making profits"

Perhaps some enlightened capitalists are now rethinking shareholder value?

Shareholder Value Is No Longer Everything, Top C.E.O.s Say

"Buybacks were illegal throughout most of the 20th century because they were considered a form of stock market manipulation.

If a corporation was intentionally releasing bad news to depress the shares for a buyback and then selling more shares after releasing good news, this might be relevant.

Simply buying back shares rather than paying higher dividends isn't manipulation.

If a corporation was intentionally releasing bad news to depress the shares for a buyback and then selling more shares after releasing good news, this might be relevant.

Simply buying back shares rather than paying higher dividends isn't manipulation.

It's artificially raising share price.

"What exactly is a stock buyback? Stock 'buybacks' are when companies buy back their own stock from shareholders on the open market. When a share of stock is bought back, the company reduces the number of shares left in the market, which raises the price of remaining shares."

Stock Buybacks aren’t Boring Finance Jargon…They’re Deadly. It’s Time to End Them.

It's artificially raising share price.

Why are the higher prices "artificial"?
Raising the price of something by government mandate.....that's artificial.
Not stock buybacks. Sorry.

Over the last 15 years, 94 percent of corporate profits have gone to shareholders in the form of buybacks and dividends, instead of to workers and their families.

Oh no!!!
Profits going to owners, the humanity!!
FYI, worker wages and benefits are much, much higher than profits.

Over the last 15 years, 94 percent of corporate profits have gone to shareholders in the form of buybacks and dividends, instead of to workers and their families.

Oh no!!!
Profits going to owners, the humanity!!

How much labor do the owners perform?
Only capitalism rewards parasites before productive workers.
Maybe that's why useless eaters celebrate exploitation?

Look, Karl.

You and the rest of the commies love to ignore the fact that "exploitation" is a two-way street. The "exploited" have no risk or responsibility. They get a paycheck, regardless of the bottom line. Their entire financial future has not been risked or sacrificed. They are exploiting the employer.

We already know you commies want to steal and redistribute everything to the "collective" but that is just maniacal nonsense that never works and will only enrich a VERY small group of powerful people and force poverty and misery on everyone else.

You know it's true.

The only fair system is the oldest system, natural system.

A very wise man once said:
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.” —Winston Churchill

.

You and the rest of the commies love to ignore the fact that "exploitation" is a two-way street. The "exploited" have no risk or responsibility. They get a paycheck, regardless of the bottom line. Their entire financial future has not been risked or sacrificed. They are exploiting the employer.

But they are not exporting their employers' means of subsistence to China and Mexico, are they, Rockefeller?

https://www.citizen.org/wp-content/uploads/nafta_factsheet_deficit_jobs_wages_feb_2018_final.pdf

 

[georgephillip]

Buybacks were illegal during a time when corporations were not committed to advancing shareholder interests at the expense of all other considerations, i.e., labor and consumer rights, environmental degradation, and ever-widening gaps in income and wealth.

Stock Buybacks Were Once Illegal. Why Are They Legal Now? - The Intellectualist

"Buybacks were illegal throughout most of the 20th century because they were considered a form of stock market manipulation. But in 1982, the Securities and Exchange Commission passed rule 10b-18, which created a legal process for buybacks and opened the floodgates for companies to start repurchasing their stock en masse.

"The SEC's decision to make this shift came against the backdrop of President Ronald Reagan's era of deregulation and coincided with the rise of 'free market' economists preaching a new type of social responsibility for business: increasing profits.

"This shift in corporate mentality is well appreciated in statements on social responsibility from the Business Roundtable, a politically conservative association of chief executive officers of top American companies, as they differ from 1981 to 1997.

"The 1981 statement still held that companies were obligated to consider their social impact alongside making profits"

Perhaps some enlightened capitalists are now rethinking shareholder value?

Shareholder Value Is No Longer Everything, Top C.E.O.s Say

"Buybacks were illegal throughout most of the 20th century because they were considered a form of stock market manipulation.

If a corporation was intentionally releasing bad news to depress the shares for a buyback and then selling more shares after releasing good news, this might be relevant.

Simply buying back shares rather than paying higher dividends isn't manipulation.

If a corporation was intentionally releasing bad news to depress the shares for a buyback and then selling more shares after releasing good news, this might be relevant.

Simply buying back shares rather than paying higher dividends isn't manipulation.

It's artificially raising share price.

"What exactly is a stock buyback? Stock 'buybacks' are when companies buy back their own stock from shareholders on the open market. When a share of stock is bought back, the company reduces the number of shares left in the market, which raises the price of remaining shares."

Stock Buybacks aren’t Boring Finance Jargon…They’re Deadly. It’s Time to End Them.

It's artificially raising share price.

Why are the higher prices "artificial"?
Raising the price of something by government mandate.....that's artificial.
Not stock buybacks. Sorry.

Over the last 15 years, 94 percent of corporate profits have gone to shareholders in the form of buybacks and dividends, instead of to workers and their families.

Oh no!!!
Profits going to owners, the humanity!!
FYI, worker wages and benefits are much, much higher than profits.

Over the last 15 years, 94 percent of corporate profits have gone to shareholders in the form of buybacks and dividends, instead of to workers and their families.

Oh no!!!
Profits going to owners, the humanity!!

How much labor do the owners perform?
Only capitalism rewards parasites before productive workers.
Maybe that's why useless eaters celebrate exploitation?

Look, Karl.

You and the rest of the commies love to ignore the fact that "exploitation" is a two-way street. The "exploited" have no risk or responsibility. They get a paycheck, regardless of the bottom line. Their entire financial future has not been risked or sacrificed. They are exploiting the employer.

We already know you commies want to steal and redistribute everything to the "collective" but that is just maniacal nonsense that never works and will only enrich a VERY small group of powerful people and force poverty and misery on everyone else.

You know it's true.

The only fair system is the oldest system, natural system.

A very wise man once said:
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.” —Winston Churchill

.

You know it's true.

The only fair system is the oldest system, natural system.

You're pining for the oldest economic system, Winnie?

Churchill wasn't wise; he was among the most vile war criminals who ever lived which probably explains your devotion, right?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

"Buybacks were illegal throughout most of the 20th century because they were considered a form of stock market manipulation.

If a corporation was intentionally releasing bad news to depress the shares for a buyback and then selling more shares after releasing good news, this might be relevant.

Simply buying back shares rather than paying higher dividends isn't manipulation.

If a corporation was intentionally releasing bad news to depress the shares for a buyback and then selling more shares after releasing good news, this might be relevant.

Simply buying back shares rather than paying higher dividends isn't manipulation.

It's artificially raising share price.

"What exactly is a stock buyback? Stock 'buybacks' are when companies buy back their own stock from shareholders on the open market. When a share of stock is bought back, the company reduces the number of shares left in the market, which raises the price of remaining shares."

Stock Buybacks aren’t Boring Finance Jargon…They’re Deadly. It’s Time to End Them.

It's artificially raising share price.

Why are the higher prices "artificial"?
Raising the price of something by government mandate.....that's artificial.
Not stock buybacks. Sorry.

Over the last 15 years, 94 percent of corporate profits have gone to shareholders in the form of buybacks and dividends, instead of to workers and their families.

Oh no!!!
Profits going to owners, the humanity!!
FYI, worker wages and benefits are much, much higher than profits.

Over the last 15 years, 94 percent of corporate profits have gone to shareholders in the form of buybacks and dividends, instead of to workers and their families.

Oh no!!!
Profits going to owners, the humanity!!

How much labor do the owners perform?
Only capitalism rewards parasites before productive workers.
Maybe that's why useless eaters celebrate exploitation?

Look, Karl.

You and the rest of the commies love to ignore the fact that "exploitation" is a two-way street. The "exploited" have no risk or responsibility. They get a paycheck, regardless of the bottom line. Their entire financial future has not been risked or sacrificed. They are exploiting the employer.

We already know you commies want to steal and redistribute everything to the "collective" but that is just maniacal nonsense that never works and will only enrich a VERY small group of powerful people and force poverty and misery on everyone else.

You know it's true.

The only fair system is the oldest system, natural system.

A very wise man once said:
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.” —Winston Churchill

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You and the rest of the commies love to ignore the fact that "exploitation" is a two-way street. The "exploited" have no risk or responsibility. They get a paycheck, regardless of the bottom line. Their entire financial future has not been risked or sacrificed. They are exploiting the employer.

But they are not exporting their employers' means of subsistence to China and Mexico, are they, Rockefeller?

https://www.citizen.org/wp-content/uploads/nafta_factsheet_deficit_jobs_wages_feb_2018_final.pdf

That is more of a taxation and regulation problem than anything else. You want to enslave everyone with your commie shit because past politicians fucked up business in America?

That's like killing a mosquito with bazooka.

It sure doesn't help when we have at least 11 million illegal workers driving down the job market and fucking Americans right in the ass, but commies seem to love that problem and will do anything to protect it.

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[Faun]

No, I didn't say 26K was bad ... I said it was down from 27K. You seem to be under the delusion that the market is going up when it's down from last month.

You insinuated that a drop from 27000 to 26000 is somehow indicative of a coming recession which is balderdash...

Actually, what I said was a falling stock market ... along with federal fund rate cuts and tax cuts is indicative of a looming recession. Leave it to an idiot like you to leave that out.

 

[Rambunctious]

No, I didn't say 26K was bad ... I said it was down from 27K. You seem to be under the delusion that the market is going up when it's down from last month.

You insinuated that a drop from 27000 to 26000 is somehow indicative of a coming recession which is balderdash...

Actually, what I said was a falling stock market ... along with federal fund rate cuts and tax cuts is indicative of a looming recession. Leave it to an idiot like you to leave that out.

But the market is not falling...a continually falling market is indicative of a looming recession...but our market does not fit that description no matter how badly you want it to....and once again the rate cut made was not done with a recession in mind or it would have been larger...stop trying to pull a calamity out of thin air....TDS is strong in this one...

 

[Faun]

No, I didn't say 26K was bad ... I said it was down from 27K. You seem to be under the delusion that the market is going up when it's down from last month.

You insinuated that a drop from 27000 to 26000 is somehow indicative of a coming recession which is balderdash...

Actually, what I said was a falling stock market ... along with federal fund rate cuts and tax cuts is indicative of a looming recession. Leave it to an idiot like you to leave that out.

But the market is not falling...a continually falling market is indicative of a looming recession...but our market does not fit that description no matter how badly you want it to....and once again the rate cut made was not done with a recession in mind or it would have been larger...stop trying to pull a calamity out of thin air....TDS is strong in this one...

Idiot.

The market is down 1000 points since last month. Less than before -- that's the definition of falling.

 

[Rambunctious]

No, I didn't say 26K was bad ... I said it was down from 27K. You seem to be under the delusion that the market is going up when it's down from last month.

You insinuated that a drop from 27000 to 26000 is somehow indicative of a coming recession which is balderdash...

Actually, what I said was a falling stock market ... along with federal fund rate cuts and tax cuts is indicative of a looming recession. Leave it to an idiot like you to leave that out.

But the market is not falling...a continually falling market is indicative of a looming recession...but our market does not fit that description no matter how badly you want it to....and once again the rate cut made was not done with a recession in mind or it would have been larger...stop trying to pull a calamity out of thin air....TDS is strong in this one...

Idiot.

The market is down 1000 points since last month. Less than before -- that's the definition of falling.

Down one day and up the next is not a fall...its an adjustment....to signal a recession it would have to be in free fall...is our market in free fall?...well is it dummy?....

 

[Faun]

No, I didn't say 26K was bad ... I said it was down from 27K. You seem to be under the delusion that the market is going up when it's down from last month.

You insinuated that a drop from 27000 to 26000 is somehow indicative of a coming recession which is balderdash...

Actually, what I said was a falling stock market ... along with federal fund rate cuts and tax cuts is indicative of a looming recession. Leave it to an idiot like you to leave that out.

But the market is not falling...a continually falling market is indicative of a looming recession...but our market does not fit that description no matter how badly you want it to....and once again the rate cut made was not done with a recession in mind or it would have been larger...stop trying to pull a calamity out of thin air....TDS is strong in this one...

Idiot.

The market is down 1000 points since last month. Less than before -- that's the definition of falling.

Down one day and up the next is not a fall...its an adjustment....to signal a recession it would have to be in free fall...is our market in free fall?...well is it dummy?....

The market always goes up and down. Despite that, the Dow is still down 1000 points since last month.