The South and the Civil War

[marvin martian]

War is hell……..William T Sherman

Running the war on “Gentleman’s Terms” led to an unending war that killed hundreds of thousands

Grant decided to bring the South to its knees
It worked

Sort of. DemoKKKrats still have their slaves, but they're Mexican now instead of black.

 

[gipper]

Lincoln was an abolitionist for years. See the Lincoln Douglass debates
As President, he was willing to put aside his personal beliefs to save the nation

No he was not. Stop lying. He never opposed slavery prior to being president. He did oppose expanding it westward.

He thought blacks inferior his entire life. He married a woman whose father was the largest slave holder in Kentucky. He even made money selling slaves.

 

[otto105]

Yes as I stated slavery was part of it, but not entirely. The South wanted the western territories to include slave states. Lincoln was against this.

However you erroneously claimed the slave owners thought Lincoln was going to take their slaves.

It’s was all about slavery.

Period

 

[otto105]

Yes as I stated slavery was part of it, but not entirely. The South wanted the western territories to include slave states. Lincoln was against this.

However you erroneously claimed the slave owners thought Lincoln was going to take their slaves.

That was going to be Leon musk’s great great grandfather.

 

[otto105]

Sort of. DemoKKKrats still have their slaves, but they're Mexican now instead of black.

Hilarious

Now drop and give us 50 Heil Shitlers!

 

[Zincwarrior]

Yes as I stated slavery was part of it, but not entirely. The South wanted the western territories to include slave states. Lincoln was against this.

However you erroneously claimed the slave owners thought Lincoln was going to take their slaves.

which means it was STILL about slavery.

 

[rightwinger]

No he was not. Stop lying. He never opposed slavery prior to being president. He did oppose expanding it westward.

He thought blacks inferior his entire life. He married a woman whose father was the largest slave holder in Kentucky. He even made money selling slaves.

They are the two principles that have stood face to face from the beginning of time, and will ever continue to struggle. The one is the common right of humanity and the other the divine right of kings. It is the same principle in whatever shape it develops itself. It is the same spirit that says, "You work and toil and earn bread, and I'll eat it." No matter in what shape it comes, whether from the mouth of a king who seeks to bestride the people of his own nation and live by the fruit of their labor, or from one race of men as an apology for enslaving another race, it is the same tyrannical principle.
-- October 15, 1858 Lincoln Douglas Debate at Alton, Illinois

 

[Quasar44]

I visited a few of my former classmate's last fall. 2 in Tennessee and 1 in Georgia. It was interesting to see and hear the reenactments and discussion of the Civil War battles. In addition, Civil War monuments were far more common in the South. It's as if the war just ended. Being from the Pacific Northwest folks here and the rest of the North rarely think about, but in the South it's still a really big deal.

Any idea why?

Huge part of their culture

What’s interesting is that the south has these erroneous opinions that Lincoln was this crazy radical
. Truth is Lincoln only wanted to end slavery in new states

 

[gipper]

They are the two principles that have stood face to face from the beginning of time, and will ever continue to struggle. The one is the common right of humanity and the other the divine right of kings. It is the same principle in whatever shape it develops itself. It is the same spirit that says, "You work and toil and earn bread, and I'll eat it." No matter in what shape it comes, whether from the mouth of a king who seeks to bestride the people of his own nation and live by the fruit of their labor, or from one race of men as an apology for enslaving another race, it is the same tyrannical principle.
-- October 15, 1858 Lincoln Douglas Debate at Alton, Illinois

Now cite his first inaugural speech. Then cite his statements about the differences between the races preventing them from ever living together.

 

[rightwinger]

Now cite his first inaugural speech. Then cite his statements about the differences between the races preventing them from ever living together.

By the time Lincoln was inaugurated, states were already seceding. Lincoln was willing to put aside his abolitionist tendencies to preserve the Union.

The south should have accepted his offer

 

[rightwinger]

Then cite his statements about the differences between the races preventing them from ever living together.

Given that Jim Crow lasted another 100 years, that was an accurate assessment

 

[AZrailwhale]

Shouldn't we hold Yankee factory owners and whaling ships converted to the more lucrative slave trade liable for hanging? Slavery existed in the North for 200 years. Sherman was a pyromaniac who thought he was "God's terrible swift sword" when he burned Atlanta He should have been indicted as a war criminal but he was lauded as a hero. . Democrats still make a profit off about 12 million illegal aliens who live in virtual slavery in the US today

Whalers were never converted to slavers. Slave ships had to be fast to carry a light, perishable cargo. Whaling ships were slow and fat designed to carry large amounts of cargo and spend a year or more at sea on each voyage.

 

[AZrailwhale]

By the time Lincoln was inaugurated, states were already seceding. Lincoln was willing to put aside his abolitionist tendencies to preserve the Union.

The south should have accepted his offer

The most ardent abolitionist was an unrepentant racist by today’s standards. You can only judge historical people by the standards of their time.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Dumb. Slaves were expensive. Owners wanted them healthy to be productive. Your thinking is typical of ignorant abolitionists of the time. Pushing hatred leading to a war that killed nearly a million Americans and destroyed half the country.

Slavery was an atrocity and can’t be justified, but so was Lincoln’s War.

Do you ever ask yourself why the entire western hemisphere terminated slavery without war, except the good old USA?

Brazil, who had exponentially more blacks than the US, ended slavery with the pen.

Slavery died out because it was economically inferior to free labor and mechanization. If the South hadn’t revolted, slavery would have died out on its own before it did in Brazil.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Because our south preferred to create a permanent slave state to ensure their peculiar institution would last forever

It wasn’t just slavery, a lot of the cause of the ACW was the fact that the Southern States had lost political control of the federal government. Almost every president prior to Lincoln was from a slave state and the slave states controlled both houses of Congress until European immigration tilted the census in favor of the free states.

 

[gipper]

Slavery died out because it was economically inferior to free labor and mechanization. If the South hadn’t revolted, slavery would have died out on its own before it did in Brazil.

No. Lincoln invaded. Had the dumb ********** (you and he have much in common), the war never happens and slavery ends peacefully.

Lincoln was a traitor, like you.

 

[rightwinger]

It wasn’t just slavery, a lot of the cause of the ACW was the fact that the Southern States had lost political control of the federal government. Almost every president prior to Lincoln was from a slave state and the slave states controlled both houses of Congress until European immigration tilted the census in favor of the free states.

That is why there was so much fighting over the expansion of slavery into new states
The south had been able to extend much more influence in slave related issues than their population warranted
So, yes

Secession was about slavery

 

[rightwinger]

No. Lincoln invaded. Had the dumb ********** (you and he have much in common), the war never happens and slavery ends peacefully.

Lincoln was a traitor, like you.

Lincoln saved the Union

 

[gipper]

Lincoln saved the Union

At what cost?

The constitution defines treason. It’s warring on fellow Americans. He was a traitor who should have been hung in 1861.

Lincoln started the descent into tyranny. Now we’re just about about there.

 

[gipper]

Lincoln saved the Union

And besides, why is it so important to you to save the union. It’s not a union when it’s kept together by FORCE.

Stop accepting statist propaganda.