The Socialist Plan

[The Rabbi]

If the American people want a program that is labeled socialist and they are willing to pay for it, is that OK?

Care to take a guess at what the projected tax rate would be for all that FREE stuff?

If people are willing to pay for it?

It doesn't matter who is willing. No society can tax itself into prosperity.
What kind of plan did you have in mind?

A society must INVEST itself in to prosperity, by investing in the health and education of it's citizenry as well as the travel and communications infrastructure they'll need to get to the stars.

This is a way that Monkeys can score a win in the game of biological evolution on a Timeline.

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Society does not invest. Government does not invest. Both of them spend money. Period.
Every boondoggle piece of shit program is sold as an "investment." Conveniently there is no return on that investment specified nor is it ever measured.

 

[DonaldFG]

All DarkFury is asking is where is this money coming from?
If you're a Liberal, at least have the balls to say, "By taxing the rich!".
If you're a Conservative, at least have the balls to say you'll leave the US if Sanders is elected.
Just be honest and try to answer the question.

Okay, by taxing the rich. There, are you happy?

That fellow in your avatar doesn't even understand how much he has or what he can do with it. Wasted wealth.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

If the American people want a program that is labeled socialist and they are willing to pay for it, is that OK?

Care to take a guess at what the projected tax rate would be for all that FREE stuff?

If people are willing to pay for it?

It doesn't matter who is willing. No society can tax itself into prosperity.
What kind of plan did you have in mind?

A society must INVEST itself in to prosperity, by investing in the health and education of it's citizenry as well as the travel and communications infrastructure they'll need to get to the stars.

This is a way that Monkeys can score a win in the game of biological evolution on a Timeline.

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Society does not invest. Government does not invest. Both of them spend money. Period.
Every boondoggle piece of shit program is sold as an "investment." Conveniently there is no return on that investment specified nor is it ever measured.

The government invests in a massive way. Your dogma is total BS.

 

[bripat9643]

Happiness can't be measured, so your claim is bullshit. Leftwing turds always resort to VooDoo to defend their idiotic theories.

The hell it can't be, shit for brains.

What are the units of happiness?

Happiness can't be measured, so your claim is bullshit. Leftwing turds always resort to VooDoo to defend their idiotic theories.

The hell it can't be, shit for brains.

What are the units of happiness?

This isn't preschool, dumbass. We don't have to count everything using blocks.

If it can be measured, then there has to be some unit used as a measuring stick.

You're admitting that it can't be measured.

The stick is what you should have been beaten with as a child so you weren't so goddamn dumb. Happiness is measured like most things, on a scale of 0 to 10, 100, 1,000, who the **** cares.

What are you units on the scale? How are they detected?

What you're demonstrating to the entire forum is that you don't have the slightest ******* clue how science works.

 

[bripat9643]

Care to take a guess at what the projected tax rate would be for all that FREE stuff?

If people are willing to pay for it?

It doesn't matter who is willing. No society can tax itself into prosperity.
What kind of plan did you have in mind?

A society must INVEST itself in to prosperity, by investing in the health and education of it's citizenry as well as the travel and communications infrastructure they'll need to get to the stars.

This is a way that Monkeys can score a win in the game of biological evolution on a Timeline.

`​

Society does not invest. Government does not invest. Both of them spend money. Period.
Every boondoggle piece of shit program is sold as an "investment." Conveniently there is no return on that investment specified nor is it ever measured.

The government invests in a massive way. Your dogma is total BS.

Welfare isn't an investment.

 

[bripat9643]

How about socialistic programs as compared to an entire nation, have any programs been successful?

In the U.S., Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. Being old no longer means poverty and sickness, we save that now for the kids.

What your chart shows is that progress on reducing poverty stopped the minute Johnson's Great Society anti-poverty programs kicked in. In other words they are a colossal failure.

They show the exact opposite, of course.

Really? How much did the poverty rate improve between 1970 and today? Notice the sharp declines right before these programs became law.

Yep, we were having a nice little run there until the economy tanked. Without the war on poverty it would have been much worse for those at the bottom.

In other words, your graph proves precisely the opposite of what you claimed.

We've had recessions for 250 years. What makes the ones in the 70s any different?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

If people are willing to pay for it?

It doesn't matter who is willing. No society can tax itself into prosperity.
What kind of plan did you have in mind?

A society must INVEST itself in to prosperity, by investing in the health and education of it's citizenry as well as the travel and communications infrastructure they'll need to get to the stars.

This is a way that Monkeys can score a win in the game of biological evolution on a Timeline.

`​

Society does not invest. Government does not invest. Both of them spend money. Period.
Every boondoggle piece of shit program is sold as an "investment." Conveniently there is no return on that investment specified nor is it ever measured.

The government invests in a massive way. Your dogma is total BS.

Welfare isn't an investment.

Nope, but schools, roads, and bridges are. As are NASA and Hoover Dam types.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

In the U.S., Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. Being old no longer means poverty and sickness, we save that now for the kids.

What your chart shows is that progress on reducing poverty stopped the minute Johnson's Great Society anti-poverty programs kicked in. In other words they are a colossal failure.

They show the exact opposite, of course.

Really? How much did the poverty rate improve between 1970 and today? Notice the sharp declines right before these programs became law.

Yep, we were having a nice little run there until the economy tanked. Without the war on poverty it would have been much worse for those at the bottom.

In other words, your graph proves precisely the opposite of what you claimed.

We've had recessions for 250 years. What makes the ones in the 70s any different?

The long recovery. Like the one we are still in now, and never quite will recover from. And my graph proves just the opposite of what you want it to.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

The hell it can't be, shit for brains.

What are the units of happiness?

The hell it can't be, shit for brains.

What are the units of happiness?

This isn't preschool, dumbass. We don't have to count everything using blocks.

If it can be measured, then there has to be some unit used as a measuring stick.

You're admitting that it can't be measured.

The stick is what you should have been beaten with as a child so you weren't so goddamn dumb. Happiness is measured like most things, on a scale of 0 to 10, 100, 1,000, who the **** cares.

What are you units on the scale? How are they detected?

What you're demonstrating to the entire forum is that you don't have the slightest ******* clue how science works.

Science isn't counting preschool blocks, dumbass, except for people like you.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Were the County Poor Houses socialism?

DO they exist now? No....Move on.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Care to take a guess at what the projected tax rate would be for all that FREE stuff?

If taxes are ever collected fairly, and the average, upper-middle class obligation doesn't change, I'll bet that the national income would be surprising. Might even be enough in there to rebuild some infrastructure, ass-u-me-ing we can figure out a way to spend less on the military industrial complex that's been sucking down what comes in via the corrupt code currently in place.

If the American people want a socialist program and are willing to pay for it is that OK?

Apparently.

The Railroad is probably the oldest and largest example of government building something on behalf of the people.

.

On behalf of the "people" ...sort of

Why the Republican Party Elected Lincoln


"From the time he entered politics in 1832, Abraham Lincoln aspired to such a position. That is why he became a Whig, the party of the moneyed elite. Lincoln was one of the most money- and power-hungry politicians in American history.


As soon as he entered the Illinois legislature he led his local delegation in a successful Whig Party effort to appropriate some $12 million in taxpayer subsidies for railroad and canal-building corporations. In his landmark book, Lincoln and the Railroads, first published in 1927 and reprinted in 1981 by Arno Press, John W. Starr, Jr. noted how one of Lincoln’s colleagues in the legislature said "He seemed to be a born politician. We followed his lead . . . " And they followed Lincoln down a road that would nearly bankrupt the state of Illinois. The $12 million was squandered: Almost no projects were completed with it; much of the money was stolen; and the taxpayers of Illinois were put deep into debt for years to come."


.

I hear ya. It's like Ike and his interstate highways, though... what started off as a good tool for the military gets used by the general public and the economy grows productively.

The productive economic success generated by the railroad and the phenomenal economic boom that continues to blossom from investing The Peoples treasure in the interstate highway system is a compelling argument for government investment in both the internet and in access to it.

This argument that since government involved itself in one way or another is reason for 100% socialism is 100% nonsense.
NO one is asking or demanding government keep out. Government as a partner is fine. Government dominance is not.

 

[bripat9643]

It doesn't matter who is willing. No society can tax itself into prosperity.
What kind of plan did you have in mind?

A society must INVEST itself in to prosperity, by investing in the health and education of it's citizenry as well as the travel and communications infrastructure they'll need to get to the stars.

This is a way that Monkeys can score a win in the game of biological evolution on a Timeline.

`​

Society does not invest. Government does not invest. Both of them spend money. Period.
Every boondoggle piece of shit program is sold as an "investment." Conveniently there is no return on that investment specified nor is it ever measured.

The government invests in a massive way. Your dogma is total BS.

Welfare isn't an investment.

Nope, but schools, roads, and bridges are. As are NASA and Hoover Dam types.

Government schools are black holes for money, brains and talent. They literally decrease the intelligence of this nation. The NEA is the single most destructive force this country faces.

 

[bripat9643]

What your chart shows is that progress on reducing poverty stopped the minute Johnson's Great Society anti-poverty programs kicked in. In other words they are a colossal failure.

They show the exact opposite, of course.

Really? How much did the poverty rate improve between 1970 and today? Notice the sharp declines right before these programs became law.

Yep, we were having a nice little run there until the economy tanked. Without the war on poverty it would have been much worse for those at the bottom.

In other words, your graph proves precisely the opposite of what you claimed.

We've had recessions for 250 years. What makes the ones in the 70s any different?

The long recovery. Like the one we are still in now, and never quite will recover from. And my graph proves just the opposite of what you want it to.

So we've been recovering for 45 years?

You really are getting desperate, aren't you?

 

[bripat9643]

What are the units of happiness?

What are the units of happiness?

This isn't preschool, dumbass. We don't have to count everything using blocks.

If it can be measured, then there has to be some unit used as a measuring stick.

You're admitting that it can't be measured.

The stick is what you should have been beaten with as a child so you weren't so goddamn dumb. Happiness is measured like most things, on a scale of 0 to 10, 100, 1,000, who the **** cares.

What are you units on the scale? How are they detected?

What you're demonstrating to the entire forum is that you don't have the slightest ******* clue how science works.

Science isn't counting preschool blocks, dumbass, except for people like you.

Science involves measuring things. If it can't be measured, it ain't science.

 

[bripat9643]

If taxes are ever collected fairly, and the average, upper-middle class obligation doesn't change, I'll bet that the national income would be surprising. Might even be enough in there to rebuild some infrastructure, ass-u-me-ing we can figure out a way to spend less on the military industrial complex that's been sucking down what comes in via the corrupt code currently in place.

If the American people want a socialist program and are willing to pay for it is that OK?

Apparently.

The Railroad is probably the oldest and largest example of government building something on behalf of the people.

.

On behalf of the "people" ...sort of

Why the Republican Party Elected Lincoln


"From the time he entered politics in 1832, Abraham Lincoln aspired to such a position. That is why he became a Whig, the party of the moneyed elite. Lincoln was one of the most money- and power-hungry politicians in American history.


As soon as he entered the Illinois legislature he led his local delegation in a successful Whig Party effort to appropriate some $12 million in taxpayer subsidies for railroad and canal-building corporations. In his landmark book, Lincoln and the Railroads, first published in 1927 and reprinted in 1981 by Arno Press, John W. Starr, Jr. noted how one of Lincoln’s colleagues in the legislature said "He seemed to be a born politician. We followed his lead . . . " And they followed Lincoln down a road that would nearly bankrupt the state of Illinois. The $12 million was squandered: Almost no projects were completed with it; much of the money was stolen; and the taxpayers of Illinois were put deep into debt for years to come."


.

I hear ya. It's like Ike and his interstate highways, though... what started off as a good tool for the military gets used by the general public and the economy grows productively.

The productive economic success generated by the railroad and the phenomenal economic boom that continues to blossom from investing The Peoples treasure in the interstate highway system is a compelling argument for government investment in both the internet and in access to it.

This argument that since government involved itself in one way or another is reason for 100% socialism is 100% nonsense.
NO one is asking or demanding government keep out. Government as a partner is fine. Government dominance is not.

Sorry, but I disagree. We should keep government out of our affairs. It's purely a destructive force. It has nothing positive to contribute to society.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

. We should keep government out of our affairs. It's purely a destructive force. It has nothing positive to contribute to society.

BS, total, and you don't believe in society you little anarchist.

 

[bripat9643]

. We should keep government out of our affairs. It's purely a destructive force. It has nothing positive to contribute to society.

BS, total, and you don't believe in society you little anarchist.

Society and government are two separate things. However, I realize you leftist tards can't keep the two separate in your mind.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

This isn't preschool, dumbass. We don't have to count everything using blocks.

If it can be measured, then there has to be some unit used as a measuring s have to count u don'ttick.

You're admitting that it can't be measured.

The stick is what you should have been beaten with as a child so you weren't so goddamn dumb. Happiness is measured like most things, on a scale of 0 to 10, 100, 1,000, who the **** cares.

What are you units on the scale? How are they detected?

What you're demonstrating to the entire forum is that you don't have the slightest ******* clue how science works.

Science isn't counting preschool blocks, dumbass, except for people like you.

Science involves measuring things. If it can't be measured, it ain't science.

You have absolutely no understanding of science, none at all. Watching how ants works can be science, and you don't have to count them like they taught you in the highest grade you somehow managed to pass.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

. We should keep government out of our affairs. It's purely a destructive force. It has nothing positive to contribute to society.

BS, total, and you don't believe in society you little anarchist.

Society and government are two separate things. However, I realize you leftist tards can keep the two separate in your mind.

They are separate, but intertwined and interdependent. You support anarchy so just drop it before those of us who live in the real world.

 

[bripat9643]

. We should keep government out of our affairs. It's purely a destructive force. It has nothing positive to contribute to society.

BS, total, and you don't believe in society you little anarchist.

Society and government are two separate things. However, I realize you leftist tards can keep the two separate in your mind.

They are separate, but intertwined and interdependent. You support anarchy so just drop it before those of us who live in the real world.

the more intertwined the become the more society suffers. Government is the monopoly on force. You don't benefit society be interjection force into human relations.