The Socialist Plan

[BluesLegend]

Should there be enough jobs at a living wage available for the able bodied to work?

Not possible, the establishment has chosen ideology, regulations, and high taxes over jobs.

Capitalism, by definition, is not about everyone having a job. When unemployment is too low that is a bad thing for capitalists, it causes Wage Inflation.

Printing money is what causes inflation. Everyone having a good paying job is called "prosperity."

Wage Inflation, dumbass. And everyone having a good paying job is nothing like capitalism. Learn it.

Inflation is inflation. It's always caused by the Central bank expanding the money supply.

Aren't all you leftwing turds claiming that Obama put everyone who wanted a job to work?

Obama says the economy has shit daisies since he took over. I keep waiting for him to announce a tax cut we are doing so well. /sarcasm

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Should there be enough jobs at a living wage available for the able bodied to work?

Not possible, the establishment has chosen ideology, regulations, and high taxes over jobs.

Capitalism, by definition, is not about everyone having a job. When unemployment is too low that is a bad thing for capitalists, it causes Wage Inflation.

Printing money is what causes inflation. Everyone having a good paying job is called "prosperity."

Wage Inflation, dumbass. And everyone having a good paying job is nothing like capitalism. Learn it.

Inflation is inflation. It's always caused by the Central bank expanding the money supply.

Aren't all you leftwing turds claiming that Obama put everyone who wanted a job to work?

No, inflation is not inflation you total dumbfuck. Wage Inflation means rising wages and prices due to very low unemployment.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Not possible, the establishment has chosen ideology, regulations, and high taxes over jobs.

Capitalism, by definition, is not about everyone having a job. When unemployment is too low that is a bad thing for capitalists, it causes Wage Inflation.

Printing money is what causes inflation. Everyone having a good paying job is called "prosperity."

Wage Inflation, dumbass. And everyone having a good paying job is nothing like capitalism. Learn it.

Inflation is inflation. It's always caused by the Central bank expanding the money supply.

Aren't all you leftwing turds claiming that Obama put everyone who wanted a job to work?

Obama says the economy has shit daisies since he took over. I keep waiting for him to announce a tax cut we are doing so well. /sarcasm

Taxes should be raised. We still aren't paying our bills.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

In the U.S., Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. Being old no longer means poverty and sickness, we save that now for the kids.

Yeah, Greece did that too. They were Bernie before Bernie was Bernie.

Get a new meme, that one is both boring, and not a good example. Why Greece failed
5 Reasons Why Austerity Failed in Greece

Happiness can't be measured, so your claim is bullshit. Leftwing turds always resort to VooDoo to defend their idiotic theories.

The hell it can't be, shit for brains. We can measure just anything, including how ******* stupid you are.

 

[bripat9643]

How about socialistic programs as compared to an entire nation, have any programs been successful?

In the U.S., Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. Being old no longer means poverty and sickness, we save that now for the kids.

What your chart shows is that progress on reducing poverty stopped the minute Johnson's Great Society anti-poverty programs kicked in. In other words they are a colossal failure.

They show the exact opposite, of course.

Really? How much did the poverty rate improve between 1970 and today? Notice the sharp declines right before these programs became law.

 

[bripat9643]

In the U.S., Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. Being old no longer means poverty and sickness, we save that now for the kids.

Yeah, Greece did that too. They were Bernie before Bernie was Bernie.

Get a new meme, that one is both boring, and not a good example. Why Greece failed
5 Reasons Why Austerity Failed in Greece

Happiness can't be measured, so your claim is bullshit. Leftwing turds always resort to VooDoo to defend their idiotic theories.

The hell it can't be, shit for brains.

What are the units of happiness?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

In the U.S., Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. Being old no longer means poverty and sickness, we save that now for the kids.

Yeah, Greece did that too. They were Bernie before Bernie was Bernie.

Get a new meme, that one is both boring, and not a good example. Why Greece failed
5 Reasons Why Austerity Failed in Greece

Happiness can't be measured, so your claim is bullshit. Leftwing turds always resort to VooDoo to defend their idiotic theories.

The hell it can't be, shit for brains.

What are the units of happiness?

In the U.S., Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. Being old no longer means poverty and sickness, we save that now for the kids.

Yeah, Greece did that too. They were Bernie before Bernie was Bernie.

Get a new meme, that one is both boring, and not a good example. Why Greece failed
5 Reasons Why Austerity Failed in Greece

Happiness can't be measured, so your claim is bullshit. Leftwing turds always resort to VooDoo to defend their idiotic theories.

The hell it can't be, shit for brains.

What are the units of happiness?

This isn't preschool, dumbass. We don't have to count everything using blocks.

 

[bripat9643]

Yeah, Greece did that too. They were Bernie before Bernie was Bernie.

Get a new meme, that one is both boring, and not a good example. Why Greece failed
5 Reasons Why Austerity Failed in Greece

Happiness can't be measured, so your claim is bullshit. Leftwing turds always resort to VooDoo to defend their idiotic theories.

The hell it can't be, shit for brains.

What are the units of happiness?

Yeah, Greece did that too. They were Bernie before Bernie was Bernie.

Get a new meme, that one is both boring, and not a good example. Why Greece failed
5 Reasons Why Austerity Failed in Greece

Happiness can't be measured, so your claim is bullshit. Leftwing turds always resort to VooDoo to defend their idiotic theories.

The hell it can't be, shit for brains.

What are the units of happiness?

This isn't preschool, dumbass. We don't have to count everything using blocks.

If it can be measured, then there has to be some unit used as a measuring stick.

You're admitting that it can't be measured.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Get a new meme, that one is both boring, and not a good example. Why Greece failed
5 Reasons Why Austerity Failed in Greece

Happiness can't be measured, so your claim is bullshit. Leftwing turds always resort to VooDoo to defend their idiotic theories.

The hell it can't be, shit for brains.

What are the units of happiness?

Get a new meme, that one is both boring, and not a good example. Why Greece failed
5 Reasons Why Austerity Failed in Greece

Happiness can't be measured, so your claim is bullshit. Leftwing turds always resort to VooDoo to defend their idiotic theories.

The hell it can't be, shit for brains.

What are the units of happiness?

This isn't preschool, dumbass. We don't have to count everything using blocks.

If it can be measured, then there has to be some unit used as a measuring stick.

You're admitting that it can't be measured.

The stick is what you should have been beaten with as a child so you weren't so goddamn dumb. Happiness is measured like most things, on a scale of 0 to 10, 100, 1,000, who the **** cares.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

How about socialistic programs as compared to an entire nation, have any programs been successful?

In the U.S., Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. Being old no longer means poverty and sickness, we save that now for the kids.

What your chart shows is that progress on reducing poverty stopped the minute Johnson's Great Society anti-poverty programs kicked in. In other words they are a colossal failure.

They show the exact opposite, of course.

Really? How much did the poverty rate improve between 1970 and today? Notice the sharp declines right before these programs became law.

Yep, we were having a nice little run there until the economy tanked. Without the war on poverty it would have been much worse for those at the bottom.

 

[RandomVariable]

That IS Sanders platform RETARD. NOT what I am calling it what HE is calling it idiot. Do you DENY Sanders is a socialist? HE says He is.

He's a democratic socialist. The best position anyone can have in the 21st century.

Except those who has to pay for socialist generosity. Which is never the generous socialist, generous with someone else's money. Which - eventually - runs out.

Dogma. Socialism works just fine, all over the world. It's about human decency, hence why you don't like it.

Socialism has delivered 100% failure every single time. You cannot name a socialist country that has succeeded.

I can name dozens of them, starting with Sweden. Move past the dogma and accept that Capitalism, Mixed-Economies (weak socialism), and Socialism can all work. Had communism been implemented as Marx said, and humans were of a better nature, it could work as well.

That being said, of all the systems capitalism is best suited to the lower animal nature that is humanity. It's the first step of four, only three of which are currently possible.

My limited understanding of Marx's writings was that communism was an evolution of capitalism. The question was what does one do when they have everything they could ask for? This reminds me of the question, "How can one be poor if they have a color TV?" I have seen color TV's sitting beside the road for anyone who wants it yet I have yet to see a dinner for four sitting beside the road for anyone who wants it.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

My limited understanding of Marx's writings was that communism was an evolution of capitalism.

Capitalism, it builds what you need through exploitation, Socialism, it reduces the exploration and creates a more decent society, then Communism, the utopia (they can't be had here) if you make it that far and most won't.

Marx supported capitalism, which is why he mostly wrote about it, it's the first and necessary step.

 

[RandomVariable]

My limited understanding of Marx's writings was that communism was an evolution of capitalism.

Capitalism, it builds what you need through exploitation, Socialism, it reduces the exploration and creates a more decent society, then Communism, the utopia (they can't be had here) if you make it that far and most won't.

Marx supported capitalism, which is why he mostly wrote about it, it's the first and necessary step.

I would hardly view capitalism as inherently exploitive. I would not view humans as inherently exploitive either. Regulations for those who are are necessary however.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

My limited understanding of Marx's writings was that communism was an evolution of capitalism.

Capitalism, it builds what you need through exploitation, Socialism, it reduces the exploration and creates a more decent society, then Communism, the utopia (they can't be had here) if you make it that far and most won't.

Marx supported capitalism, which is why he mostly wrote about it, it's the first and necessary step.

I would hardly view capitalism as inherently exploitive. I would not view humans as inherently exploitive either. Regulations for those who are are necessary however.

Your Pollyanna views of capitalism and human nature are noted, and rejected. Humans, nearly without exception, will try and get away with any ******* thing they can. That is their nature.

 

[The Rabbi]

That IS Sanders platform RETARD. NOT what I am calling it what HE is calling it idiot. Do you DENY Sanders is a socialist? HE says He is.

He's a democratic socialist. The best position anyone can have in the 21st century.

Except those who has to pay for socialist generosity. Which is never the generous socialist, generous with someone else's money. Which - eventually - runs out.

Dogma. Socialism works just fine, all over the world. It's about human decency, hence why you don't like it.

Socialism has delivered 100% failure every single time. You cannot name a socialist country that has succeeded.

How about socialistic programs as compared to an entire nation, have any programs been successful?

Couldnt really name one.

 

[danielpalos]

the EBT card program; it works so well, the right wants to limit that success of socialism.

 

[The Rabbi]

the EBT card program; it works so well, the right wants to limit that success of socialism.

It was a total failure. Post evidence otherwise.

 

[DarkFury]

the EBT card program; it works so well, the right wants to limit that success of socialism.

So you admit socialists want people welfare dependent? Okay.

 

[thereisnospoon]

First off let me say I am skipping the word democrat for this argument mainly because it's NOT true. Bernie IS a socialist so ANY plan of his follows socialist policy. HIS leadership in the polls and in drawing crowds speaks to the death of the democratic party as THEY call themselves.

Now for the last two weeks socialists they have been telling you just how awful the Trump plan is with it cutting taxes to zero on first jobbers and cutting taxes to newly marrieds so if they are making 50k or less NO taxes. And cutting taxes to the folks that make those new jobs? NEVER in the socialist world.

So lets look at the socialist Sanders Plan shall we?

Okay the source is the Wall Street Journal a paper KNOW for its ability to read and forecast economy fluxes.

18 TRILLION more then DOUBLES existing debt. Where does this money come from? Well about 24% or there about now comes from money we BORROW from China. So if we don't have the money to run things now where is the money then?

It seems that part of the Sanders plan is MISSING. Its kind of important that a plan ANY plan has a fund source right?

FREE Medicare... Nice idea but if NOBODY pays Medicare where do doctors/nurses/hospitals and clinics get their money?

FREE Retirement..... If you don't invest in your OWN retirement who does? And id they DON'T pay into where is theirs? Where is the mystery money coming from?

FREE Infrastructure... roads/highways/electric and water delivered for free? That would be a trick worthy of Harry Houdini. Its just going to appear out of thin air.

FREE College... How are you going to pay the teachers let alone keep the lights on in the buildings? He's NOT saying and he needs to.

FREE Family Leave...Again nice idea but WHO is going to support that family for six months? Where is their rent or utilities bill money coming from? And the car payment/insurance and gas? Whose paying that?

FREE Pension Fund.... Now THIS gets a bit confusing. IF you have FREE retirement FREE education and FREE medical plus FREE Infrastructure what's the pension for?

FREE Jobs Program.... We HAVE a FREE Jobs program, its called the EMPLOYMENT office. So you have your FREE College education but you are still to stupid to scan the paper OR the net? got it.

The Sanders socialist economic plan leaves me with TWO questions.

1, Where is THAT money?

2, Where have I seen a "cradle to grave" plan before?

Thoughts?

Without going through 177 posts, I can guarantee there are posts mentioning the reinstatement of the 91% tax rate. Defunding the military. Increasing the gas tax to three dollars per gallon. Taxing investments TWICE at the cap gains rate and the personal income rate. Movement taxes. Taxing employer provided insurance as income. Raising all tax brackets to 25% or more. all kinds of stupidity.

 

[thereisnospoon]

What you call Sanders' 'socialist' agenda, point by point, is more popular with the American people than the average rightwing anti-socialist agenda.

Popular? Who the **** cares what is popular.
Yeah, you take a bunch of self entitled assholes and the mention of a pile of free shit sure as hell would be "popular"....
The sickening part of this is that there are people so irrational that they actually believe any of what Sanders proposes is remotely possible