The Socialist Plan

[bripat9643]

If it can be measured, then there has to be some unit used as a measuring s have to count u don'ttick.

You're admitting that it can't be measured.

The stick is what you should have been beaten with as a child so you weren't so goddamn dumb. Happiness is measured like most things, on a scale of 0 to 10, 100, 1,000, who the **** cares.

What are you units on the scale? How are they detected?

What you're demonstrating to the entire forum is that you don't have the slightest ******* clue how science works.

Science isn't counting preschool blocks, dumbass, except for people like you.

Science involves measuring things. If it can't be measured, it ain't science.

You have absolutely no understanding of science, none at all. Watching how ants works can be science, and you don't have to count them like they taught you in the highest grade you somehow managed to pass.

Sorry, tard, but entomologists make all sorts of measurements of insects.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

The stick is what you should have been beaten with as a child so you weren't so goddamn dumb. Happiness is measured like most things, on a scale of 0 to 10, 100, 1,000, who the **** cares.

What are you units on the scale? How are they detected?

What you're demonstrating to the entire forum is that you don't have the slightest ******* clue how science works.

Science isn't counting preschool blocks, dumbass, except for people like you.

Science involves measuring things. If it can't be measured, it ain't science.

You have absolutely no understanding of science, none at all. Watching how ants works can be science, and you don't have to count them like they taught you in the highest grade you somehow managed to pass.

Sorry, tard, but entomologists make all sorts of measurements of insects.

Yes, they do, but no such thing is required for it to be SCIENCE, dumbfuck.

 

[AVG-JOE]

If the American people want a program that is labeled socialist and they are willing to pay for it, is that OK?

Care to take a guess at what the projected tax rate would be for all that FREE stuff?

If people are willing to pay for it?

It doesn't matter who is willing. No society can tax itself into prosperity.
What kind of plan did you have in mind?

A society must INVEST itself in to prosperity, by investing in the health and education of it's citizenry as well as the travel and communications infrastructure they'll need to get to the stars.

This is a way that Monkeys can score a win in the game of biological evolution on a Timeline.

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Society does not invest. Government does not invest. Both of them spend money. Period.
Every boondoggle piece of shit program is sold as an "investment." Conveniently there is no return on that investment specified nor is it ever measured.

Did I mention one single program?

Are you familiar with the concept of a concept?

 

[AVG-JOE]

If people are willing to pay for it?

It doesn't matter who is willing. No society can tax itself into prosperity.
What kind of plan did you have in mind?

A society must INVEST itself in to prosperity, by investing in the health and education of it's citizenry as well as the travel and communications infrastructure they'll need to get to the stars.

This is a way that Monkeys can score a win in the game of biological evolution on a Timeline.

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Society does not invest. Government does not invest. Both of them spend money. Period.
Every boondoggle piece of shit program is sold as an "investment." Conveniently there is no return on that investment specified nor is it ever measured.

The government invests in a massive way. Your dogma is total BS.

Welfare isn't an investment.

Conceptualize the society that could be created if it were!

 

[PaintMyHouse]

"Science, any system of knowledge that is concerned with the physical world and its phenomena and that entails unbiased observations and systematic experimentation. In general, a science involves a pursuit of knowledge covering general truths or the operations of fundamental laws.

Science is treated in a number of articles. For the history of Western and Eastern science, see science, history of. For the conceptualization of science and its interrelationships with culture, see science, philosophy of. For the basic aspects of the scientific approach, see physical science, principles of. For the historical development of the different sciences and their scope, component disciplines, methods, and principal problems, see physical science; Earth sciences; biology; medicine, history of; engineering; social science."
science

 

[PaintMyHouse]

It doesn't matter who is willing. No society can tax itself into prosperity.
What kind of plan did you have in mind?

A society must INVEST itself in to prosperity, by investing in the health and education of it's citizenry as well as the travel and communications infrastructure they'll need to get to the stars.

This is a way that Monkeys can score a win in the game of biological evolution on a Timeline.

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Society does not invest. Government does not invest. Both of them spend money. Period.
Every boondoggle piece of shit program is sold as an "investment." Conveniently there is no return on that investment specified nor is it ever measured.

The government invests in a massive way. Your dogma is total BS.

Welfare isn't an investment.

Conceptualize the society that could be created if it were!

We had that, it sucked. That's why we created the programs we now have. We weren't just trying to be nice.

 

[regent]

. We should keep government out of our affairs. It's purely a destructive force. It has nothing positive to contribute to society.

BS, total, and you don't believe in society you little anarchist.

Society and government are two separate things. However, I realize you leftist tards can't keep the two separate in your mind.

I could never keep the two separate seems like "We the people..." says it all. So in what country would you be happier?

 

[AVG-JOE]

If taxes are ever collected fairly, and the average, upper-middle class obligation doesn't change, I'll bet that the national income would be surprising. Might even be enough in there to rebuild some infrastructure, ass-u-me-ing we can figure out a way to spend less on the military industrial complex that's been sucking down what comes in via the corrupt code currently in place.

If the American people want a socialist program and are willing to pay for it is that OK?

Apparently.

The Railroad is probably the oldest and largest example of government building something on behalf of the people.

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On behalf of the "people" ...sort of

Why the Republican Party Elected Lincoln


"From the time he entered politics in 1832, Abraham Lincoln aspired to such a position. That is why he became a Whig, the party of the moneyed elite. Lincoln was one of the most money- and power-hungry politicians in American history.


As soon as he entered the Illinois legislature he led his local delegation in a successful Whig Party effort to appropriate some $12 million in taxpayer subsidies for railroad and canal-building corporations. In his landmark book, Lincoln and the Railroads, first published in 1927 and reprinted in 1981 by Arno Press, John W. Starr, Jr. noted how one of Lincoln’s colleagues in the legislature said "He seemed to be a born politician. We followed his lead . . . " And they followed Lincoln down a road that would nearly bankrupt the state of Illinois. The $12 million was squandered: Almost no projects were completed with it; much of the money was stolen; and the taxpayers of Illinois were put deep into debt for years to come."


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I hear ya. It's like Ike and his interstate highways, though... what started off as a good tool for the military gets used by the general public and the economy grows productively.

The productive economic success generated by the railroad and the phenomenal economic boom that continues to blossom from investing The Peoples treasure in the interstate highway system is a compelling argument for government investment in both the internet and in access to it.

This argument that since government involved itself in one way or another is reason for 100% socialism is 100% nonsense.
NO one is asking or demanding government keep out. Government as a partner is fine. Government dominance is not.

Use your tools wisely, and don't be afraid of tools that are big and complicated!

Kudos, Grasshopper.

 

[AVG-JOE]

A society must INVEST itself in to prosperity, by investing in the health and education of it's citizenry as well as the travel and communications infrastructure they'll need to get to the stars.

This is a way that Monkeys can score a win in the game of biological evolution on a Timeline.

`​

Society does not invest. Government does not invest. Both of them spend money. Period.
Every boondoggle piece of shit program is sold as an "investment." Conveniently there is no return on that investment specified nor is it ever measured.

The government invests in a massive way. Your dogma is total BS.

Welfare isn't an investment.

Conceptualize the society that could be created if it were!

We had that, it sucked. That's why we created the programs we now have. We weren't just trying to be nice.

What if the concept of "welfare" included educating all of the welfare mom's and dad's currently in training and training them to do something else? Like not get pregnant at 17.

The "welfare" of a society's population is not just food and shelter, begrudgingly given, and for which the less fortunate should express more appreciation.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Society does not invest. Government does not invest. Both of them spend money. Period.
Every boondoggle piece of shit program is sold as an "investment." Conveniently there is no return on that investment specified nor is it ever measured.

The government invests in a massive way. Your dogma is total BS.

Welfare isn't an investment.

Conceptualize the society that could be created if it were!

We had that, it sucked. That's why we created the programs we now have. We weren't just trying to be nice.

What if the concept of "welfare" included educating all of the welfare mom's and dad's currently in training and training them to do something else? Like not get pregnant at 17.

The "welfare" of a society's population is not just food and shelter, begrudgingly given, and for which the less fortunate should express more appreciation.

I would train them up like no tomorrow, but you assholes won't pay up for that, or the birth control that is a great deal financially.

 

[AVG-JOE]

A society must INVEST itself in to prosperity, by investing in the health and education of it's citizenry as well as the travel and communications infrastructure they'll need to get to the stars.

This is a way that Monkeys can score a win in the game of biological evolution on a Timeline.

`​

Society does not invest. Government does not invest. Both of them spend money. Period.
Every boondoggle piece of shit program is sold as an "investment." Conveniently there is no return on that investment specified nor is it ever measured.

The government invests in a massive way. Your dogma is total BS.

Welfare isn't an investment.

Nope, but schools, roads, and bridges are. As are NASA and Hoover Dam types.

Government schools are black holes for money, brains and talent. They literally decrease the intelligence of this nation. The NEA is the single most destructive force this country faces.

Dude! It's a work in progress.

Are you really willing to toss The Constitution because you don't like some of the programs that have resulted from its implementation?

It seems a pity how you've quit on America.

 

[AVG-JOE]

The government invests in a massive way. Your dogma is total BS.

Welfare isn't an investment.

Conceptualize the society that could be created if it were!

We had that, it sucked. That's why we created the programs we now have. We weren't just trying to be nice.

What if the concept of "welfare" included educating all of the welfare mom's and dad's currently in training and training them to do something else? Like not get pregnant at 17.

The "welfare" of a society's population is not just food and shelter, begrudgingly given, and for which the less fortunate should express more appreciation.

I would train them up like no tomorrow, but you assholes won't pay up for that, or the birth control that is a great deal financially.

"You assholes won't pay for it.....?"

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With whom do you associate me, Bud?

 

[Indeependent]

All DarkFury is asking is where is this money coming from?
If you're a Liberal, at least have the balls to say, "By taxing the rich!".
If you're a Conservative, at least have the balls to say you'll leave the US if Sanders is elected.
Just be honest and try to answer the question.

Okay, by taxing the rich. There, are you happy?

That fellow in your avatar doesn't even understand how much he has or what he can do with it. Wasted wealth.

Bill Gates, who as of late 1998 has been, de facto, a member of Congress.

 

[Indeependent]

In the U.S., Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. Being old no longer means poverty and sickness, we save that now for the kids.

What your chart shows is that progress on reducing poverty stopped the minute Johnson's Great Society anti-poverty programs kicked in. In other words they are a colossal failure.

They show the exact opposite, of course.

Really? How much did the poverty rate improve between 1970 and today? Notice the sharp declines right before these programs became law.

Yep, we were having a nice little run there until the economy tanked. Without the war on poverty it would have been much worse for those at the bottom.

In other words, your graph proves precisely the opposite of what you claimed.

We've had recessions for 250 years. What makes the ones in the 70s any different?

In the 70s, Americans were rehired after a recession; we now airbus in hundreds of thousands of Indian H1-Bs a year to replace Americans.

 

[The Rabbi]

Care to take a guess at what the projected tax rate would be for all that FREE stuff?

If people are willing to pay for it?

It doesn't matter who is willing. No society can tax itself into prosperity.
What kind of plan did you have in mind?

A society must INVEST itself in to prosperity, by investing in the health and education of it's citizenry as well as the travel and communications infrastructure they'll need to get to the stars.

This is a way that Monkeys can score a win in the game of biological evolution on a Timeline.

`​

Society does not invest. Government does not invest. Both of them spend money. Period.
Every boondoggle piece of shit program is sold as an "investment." Conveniently there is no return on that investment specified nor is it ever measured.

Did I mention one single program?

Are you familiar with the concept of a concept?

Concepts are generally generalizations from specifics. If you cannot name a specific then you have no concept.
Actually you have no concept either way.

 

[The Rabbi]

It doesn't matter who is willing. No society can tax itself into prosperity.
What kind of plan did you have in mind?

A society must INVEST itself in to prosperity, by investing in the health and education of it's citizenry as well as the travel and communications infrastructure they'll need to get to the stars.

This is a way that Monkeys can score a win in the game of biological evolution on a Timeline.

`​

Society does not invest. Government does not invest. Both of them spend money. Period.
Every boondoggle piece of shit program is sold as an "investment." Conveniently there is no return on that investment specified nor is it ever measured.

The government invests in a massive way. Your dogma is total BS.

Welfare isn't an investment.

Conceptualize the society that could be created if it were!

Imagine if whores were actually entrepreneurs.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

A society must INVEST itself in to prosperity, by investing in the health and education of it's citizenry as well as the travel and communications infrastructure they'll need to get to the stars.

This is a way that Monkeys can score a win in the game of biological evolution on a Timeline.

`​

Society does not invest. Government does not invest. Both of them spend money. Period.
Every boondoggle piece of shit program is sold as an "investment." Conveniently there is no return on that investment specified nor is it ever measured.

The government invests in a massive way. Your dogma is total BS.

Welfare isn't an investment.

Conceptualize the society that could be created if it were!

Imagine if whores were actually entrepreneurs.

Many are...

 

[Hum Dinger]

Why is it that countries like Switzerland can afford all the social programs while maintaining a robust private sector economy, but wealthy Americans cannot? Despite the fact that the productivity of American workers is way higher than that of Swiss workers?

The fact is that Swiss business people have a deep sense of patriotism to Switzerland and the Swiss people. While American business people have no loyalty to the American people at all, and are patriotic only to the extent that patriotism is self-serving.

 

[Hum Dinger]

What are you units on the scale? How are they detected?

What you're demonstrating to the entire forum is that you don't have the slightest ******* clue how science works.

Science isn't counting preschool blocks, dumbass, except for people like you.

Science involves measuring things. If it can't be measured, it ain't science.

You have absolutely no understanding of science, none at all. Watching how ants works can be science, and you don't have to count them like they taught you in the highest grade you somehow managed to pass.

Sorry, tard, but entomologists make all sorts of measurements of insects.

Yes, they do, but no such thing is required for it to be SCIENCE, dumbfuck.

You have no idea of what is meant by 'The Scientific method'. It is the cornerstone of science and it is all about taking measurements.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Science isn't counting preschool blocks, dumbass, except for people like you.

Science involves measuring things. If it can't be measured, it ain't science.

You have absolutely no understanding of science, none at all. Watching how ants works can be science, and you don't have to count them like they taught you in the highest grade you somehow managed to pass.

Sorry, tard, but entomologists make all sorts of measurements of insects.

Yes, they do, but no such thing is required for it to be SCIENCE, dumbfuck.

You have no idea of what is meant by 'The Scientific method'. It is the cornerstone of science and it is all about taking measurements.

Measurement is only one part of science, dumbfuck. Introduction to the Scientific Method