The single reason for Liberating Iraq was WMDs.. what was single reason for ACA?

[Avatar4321]

Actually, there were many reasons for liberating Iraq. WMDs was just one of them. A more prominent one, but still just one.

There was also the Iraqi governments support for terrorism, for example

 

[dblack]

We GOP controlled Congress 1994 to 2006 and failed to produce health reform.

SCOTUS has ruled ACA constitutional.

We have to deal with that fact.

Yep. We need to remove all the sellouts who voted for it, repeal it, and pass an amendment that sets sane limits on the taxation power so they don't try this kind of shit again.

How are they sellouts?

They sold out our most basic consumer protection at the request of the health insurance industry. We've lost the right to say "no thanks" to what they're selling.

 

[rightwinger]

We GOP controlled Congress 1994 to 2006 and failed to produce health reform.

SCOTUS has ruled ACA constitutional.

We have to deal with that fact.

Yep. We need to remove all the sellouts who voted for it, repeal it, and pass an amendment that sets sane limits on the taxation power so they don't try this kind of shit again.

Thats the way the system works. You get the votes you can repeal. Until that time, it is the law of the land

GOP had eight years to pass the healthcare plan they wanted..they didn't even try.

 

[dblack]

We GOP controlled Congress 1994 to 2006 and failed to produce health reform.

SCOTUS has ruled ACA constitutional.

We have to deal with that fact.

Yep. We need to remove all the sellouts who voted for it, repeal it, and pass an amendment that sets sane limits on the taxation power so they don't try this kind of shit again.

Thats the way the system works. You get the votes you can repeal. Until that time, it is the law of the land

GOP had eight years to pass the healthcare plan they wanted..they didn't even try.

I don't give a rat's ass about the GOP. They suck as bad as the Democrats. This is bad law - and it's not the way the system is supposed to work. The Court is supposed to protect us from this kind of corporatist shit. They failed.

 

[rightwinger]

Yep. We need to remove all the sellouts who voted for it, repeal it, and pass an amendment that sets sane limits on the taxation power so they don't try this kind of shit again.

Thats the way the system works. You get the votes you can repeal. Until that time, it is the law of the land

GOP had eight years to pass the healthcare plan they wanted..they didn't even try.

I don't give a rat's ass about the GOP. They suck as bad as the Democrats. This is bad law - and it's not the way the system is supposed to work. The Court is supposed to protect us from this kind of corporatist shit. They failed.

Universal Healthcare

 

[Liability]

Thats the way the system works. You get the votes you can repeal. Until that time, it is the law of the land

GOP had eight years to pass the healthcare plan they wanted..they didn't even try.

I don't give a rat's ass about the GOP. They suck as bad as the Democrats. This is bad law - and it's not the way the system is supposed to work. The Court is supposed to protect us from this kind of corporatist shit. They failed.

Universal Healthcare

That's not an answer to the complaint that it is not the job of the limited-power and limited authority Federal government to do this.

It's just a ******* rather meaningless label for the package.

 

[dblack]

I don't give a rat's ass about the GOP. They suck as bad as the Democrats. This is bad law - and it's not the way the system is supposed to work. The Court is supposed to protect us from this kind of corporatist shit. They failed.

Universal Healthcare

That's not an answer to the complaint that it is not the job of the limited-power and limited authority Federal government to do this.

It's just a ******* rather meaningless label for the package.

To me, the argument equates to a kind of blackmail. They're essentially saying - "give us government health care or we're going to enslave you outright to the insurance industry".

 

[theHawk]

EVERYONE KNOWS there was ONLY ONE reason for liberating Iraq was WMDs.. RIGHT?
Since there were none found then the Liberation was not necessary.

Therefore we need ONE simple reason for Obamacare being passed?

What major reason did Obamacare PASS by ONLY 6 votes?

Those Congress members passed Obamacare primarily and for what major reason?

Please tell me what single major reason was Obamacare passed?

To destroy what is left of the free market health care system. To get as many people as possible into a government run health care system.

After that, getting the population to accept other progressive agendas becomes that much easier.

 

[BlindBoo]

EVERYONE KNOWS there was ONLY ONE reason for liberating Iraq was WMDs.. RIGHT?
Since there were none found then the Liberation was not necessary.

Therefore we need ONE simple reason for Obamacare being passed?

What major reason did Obamacare PASS by ONLY 6 votes?

Those Congress members passed Obamacare primarily and for what major reason?

Please tell me what single major reason was Obamacare passed?

Iraq has not been liberated. We instituted a regime change.

Everyone knew an overhaul of the US healthcare systems was necessary.

Let me provide you with some presidential quotes:

"Without adequate health care, no one can make full use of his or her talents and opportunities. It is thus just as important that economic, racial and social barriers not stand in the way of good health care as it is to eliminate those barriers to a good education and a good job.

Three years ago, I proposed a major health insurance program to the Congress, seeking to guarantee adequate financing of health care on a nationwide basis. That proposal generated widespread discussion and useful debate. But no legislation reached my desk.

Today the need is even more pressing because of the higher costs of medical care. Efforts to control medical costs under the New Economic Policy have been Inept with encouraging success, sharply reducing the rate of inflation for health care. Nevertheless, the overall cost of health care has still risen by more than 20 percent in the last two and one-half years, so that more and more Americans face staggering bills when they receive medical help today:"

"For the average family, it is clear that without adequate insurance, even normal care can 'be a financial burden while a catastrophic illness can mean catastrophic debt."

"Comprehensive health insurance is an idea whose time has come in America."

"There has long been a need to assure every American financial access to high quality health care. As medical costs go up, that need grows more pressing."

"Now, for the first time, we have not just the need but the will to get this job done. There is widespread support in the Congress and in the Nation for some form of comprehensive health insurance."

"Surely if we have the will, 1974 should also be the year that we find the way."

Of course it was President Nixon who said all that stuff.......

Nixon's Plan For Health Reform, In His Own Words - Kaiser Health News

 

[frazzledgear]

EVERYONE KNOWS there was ONLY ONE reason for liberating Iraq was WMDs.. RIGHT?
Since there were none found then the Liberation was not necessary.

Therefore we need ONE simple reason for Obamacare being passed?

What major reason did Obamacare PASS by ONLY 6 votes?

Those Congress members passed Obamacare primarily and for what major reason?

Please tell me what single major reason was Obamacare passed?

Actually that isn't true about Iraq and WMD. When Bush asked Congress for authority, he gave more than a dozen reasons for it. In fact liberals insisted he had so many reasons it really meant he had no reason. That passed for "logic" and critical thinking skills for them. The left only focused on WMD in hindsight because at the time everyone knew he had them because he had used them on is own people and when UN inspectors were kicked out they left a stockpile of WMD they had discovered but had not been able to destroy before leaving. BTW- Hussein later claimed those discovered, known, identified and tagged WMD stockpiles never existed either. He went back to his initial claim he never had WMD at any time and the left was more than THRILLED he did. The left bent over backwards to give a proven sociopathic mass murderer every benefit of the doubt over our own President because it suited their own political agend to do so. And that anti-American agenda ALWAYS comes first. NOT the best interests of the nation.

Democrats rammed Obamacare down our throats against our will because it is is a huge power play that more firmly entrenches the power of big, powerful government loving Democrats who have a burning lust to own and control us all. The bill was written by and for the benefit of Dmocrats, Democrat money laundering operations and Democrat supporting special interests. It is the mutual masturbation of Democrats and their money launderers with taxpayers left stuck with the tab. In NO way does it make health care more affordable and in fact the CBO said it makes it far more EXPENSIVE and UNAFFORDABLE!

 

[BlindBoo]

EVERYONE KNOWS there was ONLY ONE reason for liberating Iraq was WMDs.. RIGHT?
Since there were none found then the Liberation was not necessary.

Therefore we need ONE simple reason for Obamacare being passed?

What major reason did Obamacare PASS by ONLY 6 votes?

Those Congress members passed Obamacare primarily and for what major reason?

Please tell me what single major reason was Obamacare passed?

Actually that isn't true about Iraq and WMD. When Bush asked Congress for authority, he gave more than a dozen reasons for it. In fact liberals insisted he had so many reasons it really meant he had no reason. That passed for "logic" and critical thinking skills for them. The left only focused on WMD in hindsight because at the time everyone knew he had them because he had used them on is own people and when UN inspectors were kicked out they left a stockpile of WMD they had discovered but had not been able to destroy before leaving. BTW- Hussein later claimed those discovered, known, identified and tagged WMD stockpiles never existed either. He went back to his initial claim he never had WMD at any time and the left was more than THRILLED he did. The left bent over backwards to give a proven sociopathic mass murderer every benefit of the doubt over our own President because it suited their own political agend to do so. And that anti-American agenda ALWAYS comes first. NOT the best interests of the nation.

Democrats rammed Obamacare down our throats against our will because it is is a huge power play that more firmly entrenches the power of big, powerful government loving Democrats who have a burning lust to own and control us all. The bill was written by and for the benefit of Dmocrats, Democrat money laundering operations and Democrat supporting special interests. It is the mutual masturbation of Democrats and their money launderers with taxpayers left stuck with the tab. In NO way does it make health care more affordable and in fact the CBO said it makes it far more EXPENSIVE and UNAFFORDABLE!

If you read the joint resolutions military authorization clause it is clear that the two reasons spelled out for the president to decide on was 1, a threat coming from Iraq and 2, possible participation in 9-11. The only way Iraq was or could ever be a threat to the worlds remaining superpower was with a deliverable WMD. Nuclear, Chemical, or biological. Therefore it all boils down to the false claim that they knew where the WMD were (Bush administration officals )WMD. They didn't. They lied.

 

[dblack]

EVERYONE KNOWS there was ONLY ONE reason for liberating Iraq was WMDs.. RIGHT?
Since there were none found then the Liberation was not necessary.

Therefore we need ONE simple reason for Obamacare being passed?

What major reason did Obamacare PASS by ONLY 6 votes?

Those Congress members passed Obamacare primarily and for what major reason?

Please tell me what single major reason was Obamacare passed?

Iraq has not been liberated. We instituted a regime change.

Everyone knew an overhaul of the US healthcare systems was necessary.

Let me provide you with some presidential quotes:

"Without adequate health care, no one can make full use of his or her talents and opportunities. It is thus just as important that economic, racial and social barriers not stand in the way of good health care as it is to eliminate those barriers to a good education and a good job.

Three years ago, I proposed a major health insurance program to the Congress, seeking to guarantee adequate financing of health care on a nationwide basis. That proposal generated widespread discussion and useful debate. But no legislation reached my desk.

Today the need is even more pressing because of the higher costs of medical care. Efforts to control medical costs under the New Economic Policy have been Inept with encouraging success, sharply reducing the rate of inflation for health care. Nevertheless, the overall cost of health care has still risen by more than 20 percent in the last two and one-half years, so that more and more Americans face staggering bills when they receive medical help today:"

"For the average family, it is clear that without adequate insurance, even normal care can 'be a financial burden while a catastrophic illness can mean catastrophic debt."

"Comprehensive health insurance is an idea whose time has come in America."

"There has long been a need to assure every American financial access to high quality health care. As medical costs go up, that need grows more pressing."

"Now, for the first time, we have not just the need but the will to get this job done. There is widespread support in the Congress and in the Nation for some form of comprehensive health insurance."

"Surely if we have the will, 1974 should also be the year that we find the way."

Of course it was President Nixon who said all that stuff.......

Nixon's Plan For Health Reform, In His Own Words - Kaiser Health News

Yes.... Nixon is who we should look to for principled leadership.

 

[JakeStarkey]

WMDs was the only required factor for invasion. Bush was reported to have said that he would not have invaded Iraq. Even Romney understands that was the only reason for the invasion. If anyone says differently, then that person's belief is wrong.

Romney: Bush Wouldn't Have Invaded Iraq If He Knew There Were No WMD | Video Cafe

EVERYONE KNOWS there was ONLY ONE reason for liberating Iraq was WMDs.. RIGHT?
Since there were none found then the Liberation was not necessary.

Therefore we need ONE simple reason for Obamacare being passed?

What major reason did Obamacare PASS by ONLY 6 votes?

Those Congress members passed Obamacare primarily and for what major reason?

Please tell me what single major reason was Obamacare passed?

Actually that isn't true about Iraq and WMD. When Bush asked Congress for authority, he gave more than a dozen reasons for it. In fact liberals insisted he had so many reasons it really meant he had no reason. That passed for "logic" and critical thinking skills for them. The left only focused on WMD in hindsight because at the time everyone knew he had them because he had used them on is own people and when UN inspectors were kicked out they left a stockpile of WMD they had discovered but had not been able to destroy before leaving. BTW- Hussein later claimed those discovered, known, identified and tagged WMD stockpiles never existed either. He went back to his initial claim he never had WMD at any time and the left was more than THRILLED he did. The left bent over backwards to give a proven sociopathic mass murderer every benefit of the doubt over our own President because it suited their own political agend to do so. And that anti-American agenda ALWAYS comes first. NOT the best interests of the nation.

Democrats rammed Obamacare down our throats against our will because it is is a huge power play that more firmly entrenches the power of big, powerful government loving Democrats who have a burning lust to own and control us all. The bill was written by and for the benefit of Dmocrats, Democrat money laundering operations and Democrat supporting special interests. It is the mutual masturbation of Democrats and their money launderers with taxpayers left stuck with the tab. In NO way does it make health care more affordable and in fact the CBO said it makes it far more EXPENSIVE and UNAFFORDABLE!

 

[frazzledgear]

We GOP controlled Congress 1994 to 2006 and failed to produce health reform.

SCOTUS has ruled ACA constitutional.

We have to deal with that fact.

WTF! Just because a law is constitutional does NOT mean it is good or desirable law! Constitutional is NOT synonymous with GOOD LAW and it does not mean the people are forever fucked and forced to accept unwanted law! In fact Roberts specifically said that just because it is upheld as constitutional in NO way implies it is a good law or cant be changed or totally rescinded.

We have had thousands of constitutional laws over centuries that were later rescinded because WE THE PEOPLE always retain the right to decide what laws we CONSENT to be governed by and different generations desire different laws that NEVER obligate future generations to be forced to accept them as if writ in stone. Obamacare was rammed down our throats against our will and WE THE PEOPLE do NOT consent to leaving it as is. DEAL WITH IT.

 

[BlindBoo]

EVERYONE KNOWS there was ONLY ONE reason for liberating Iraq was WMDs.. RIGHT?
Since there were none found then the Liberation was not necessary.

Therefore we need ONE simple reason for Obamacare being passed?

What major reason did Obamacare PASS by ONLY 6 votes?

Those Congress members passed Obamacare primarily and for what major reason?

Please tell me what single major reason was Obamacare passed?

Iraq has not been liberated. We instituted a regime change.

Everyone knew an overhaul of the US healthcare systems was necessary.

Let me provide you with some presidential quotes:

"Without adequate health care, no one can make full use of his or her talents and opportunities. It is thus just as important that economic, racial and social barriers not stand in the way of good health care as it is to eliminate those barriers to a good education and a good job.

Three years ago, I proposed a major health insurance program to the Congress, seeking to guarantee adequate financing of health care on a nationwide basis. That proposal generated widespread discussion and useful debate. But no legislation reached my desk.

Today the need is even more pressing because of the higher costs of medical care. Efforts to control medical costs under the New Economic Policy have been Inept with encouraging success, sharply reducing the rate of inflation for health care. Nevertheless, the overall cost of health care has still risen by more than 20 percent in the last two and one-half years, so that more and more Americans face staggering bills when they receive medical help today:"

"For the average family, it is clear that without adequate insurance, even normal care can 'be a financial burden while a catastrophic illness can mean catastrophic debt."

"Comprehensive health insurance is an idea whose time has come in America."

"There has long been a need to assure every American financial access to high quality health care. As medical costs go up, that need grows more pressing."

"Now, for the first time, we have not just the need but the will to get this job done. There is widespread support in the Congress and in the Nation for some form of comprehensive health insurance."

"Surely if we have the will, 1974 should also be the year that we find the way."

Of course it was President Nixon who said all that stuff.......

Nixon's Plan For Health Reform, In His Own Words - Kaiser Health News

Yes.... Nixon is who we should look to for principled leadership.

Um well no. However, we can and should look at his reasons for wanting Universal Healthcare for all Americans nearly 40 years ago!

 

[rightwinger]

I don't give a rat's ass about the GOP. They suck as bad as the Democrats. This is bad law - and it's not the way the system is supposed to work. The Court is supposed to protect us from this kind of corporatist shit. They failed.

Universal Healthcare

That's not an answer to the complaint that it is not the job of the limited-power and limited authority Federal government to do this.

It's just a ******* rather meaningless label for the package.

Healthcare is beyond the scope of what employers should be expected to provide. Govt is best suited to provide the universal pooling of insured to keep costs down. Get rid of Employer provided benefits, make insurance companies obsolete.......Universal Healthcare

 

[rightwinger]

We GOP controlled Congress 1994 to 2006 and failed to produce health reform.

SCOTUS has ruled ACA constitutional.

We have to deal with that fact.

WTF! Just because a law is constitutional does NOT mean it is good or desirable law! Constitutional is NOT synonymous with GOOD LAW and it does not mean the people are forever fucked and forced to accept unwanted law! In fact Roberts specifically said that just because it is upheld as constitutional in NO way implies it is a good law or cant be changed or totally rescinded.

We have had thousands of constitutional laws over centuries that were later rescinded because WE THE PEOPLE always retain the right to decide what laws we CONSENT to be governed by and different generations desire different laws that NEVER obligate future generations to be forced to accept them as if writ in stone. Obamacare was rammed down our throats against our will and WE THE PEOPLE do NOT consent to leaving it as is. DEAL WITH IT.

Great idea......you don't like Obamacare, offer something better


Come on Republicans, you can do it. Give us something better. You are all talk and no action. Dont sell me this bullshit......Repeal first and then we will start working on something better.

I don't trust Republicans to provide a healthcare plan....they never have
Offer up a replacement for Obamacare or shut the hell up

 

[dblack]

Great idea......you don't like Obamacare, offer something better

Here's something better - nothing at all. Surely by now you understand that many of, not just conservative Republicans, think that this bill is a step in the WRONG direction. It's not that it doesn't go far enough, it's that it makes things worse.

So, yeah, I'd like to Republicans or Democrats come up with something better. I'd like to see them actually do something about the dysfunctional health care market (instead of mucking around reforming insurance). But if the best we can do is put a stop to PPACA, and replace it with nothing at all, that would be an improvement of sorts.

I don't see either party making that happen.

 

[BlindBoo]

Actually, there were many reasons for liberating Iraq. WMDs was just one of them. A more prominent one, but still just one.

There was also the Iraqi governments support for terrorism, for example

Saddam supported a couple of groups in Palestine and a group operating in Iran. Both of which are regional in nature and do not have a world wide reach. Like al Queda.

 

[LogikAndReazon]

EVERYONE KNOWS there was ONLY ONE reason for liberating Iraq was WMDs.. RIGHT?
Since there were none found then the Liberation was not necessary.

Therefore we need ONE simple reason for Obamacare being passed?

What major reason did Obamacare PASS by ONLY 6 votes?

Those Congress members passed Obamacare primarily and for what major reason?

Please tell me what single major reason was Obamacare passed?

CLARIFICATION for liberal imbeciles

Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq


Whereas in 1990 in response to Iraq's war of aggression against and illegal occupation of Kuwait, the United States forged a coalition of nations to liberate Kuwait and its people in order to defend the national security of the United States and enforce United Nations Security Council resolutions relating to Iraq;

Whereas after the liberation of Kuwait in 1991, Iraq entered into a United Nations sponsored cease-fire agreement pursuant to which Iraq unequivocally agreed, among other things, to eliminate its nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons programs and the means to deliver and develop them, and to end its support for international terrorism;

Whereas the efforts of international weapons inspectors, United States intelligence agencies, and Iraqi defectors led to the discovery that Iraq had large stockpiles of chemical weapons and a large scale biological weapons program, and that Iraq had an advanced nuclear weapons development program that was much closer to producing a nuclear weapon than intelligence reporting had previously indicated;

Whereas Iraq, in direct and flagrant violation of the cease-fire, attempted to thwart the efforts of weapons inspectors to identify and destroy Iraq's weapons of mass destruction stockpiles and development capabilities, which finally resulted in the withdrawal of inspectors from Iraq on October 31, 1998;

Whereas in 1998 Congress concluded that Iraq's continuing weapons of mass destruction programs threatened vital United States interests and international peace and security, declared Iraq to be in "material and unacceptable breach of its international obligations" and urged the President "to take appropriate action, in accordance with the Constitution and relevant laws of the United States, to bring Iraq into compliance with its international obligations" (Public Law 105-235);

Whereas Iraq both poses a continuing threat to the national security of the United States and international peace and security in the Persian Gulf region and remains in material and unacceptable breach of its international obligations by, among other things, continuing to possess and develop a significant chemical and biological weapons capability, actively seeking a nuclear weapons capability, and supporting and harboring terrorist organizations;

Whereas Iraq persists in violating resolutions of the United Nations Security Council by continuing to engage in brutal repression of its civilian population thereby threatening international peace and security in the region, by refusing to release, repatriate, or account for non-Iraqi citizens wrongfully detained by Iraq, including an American serviceman, and by failing to return property wrongfully seized by Iraq from Kuwait;

Whereas the current Iraqi regime has demonstrated its capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction against other nations and its own people;

CONTINUED

Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq