The shit hits the fan...

[Bfgrn]

Irony...

Progressives in Iran take to the streets to protest oppression and the status quo...conservatives in Iran support the authoritarian regime and chant "death to America"...

Conservatives in America defend progressives right to protest in Iran...just not in America...then they're called lawless dissidents and UN American ...

Conservatism is based on latitude, longitude and date of birth.
Bfgrn

While progressives in the US try to destroy every ideal this country was founded upon. DO try and not leave out the facts.

Remember, those you call conservatives believe in the foundations that built this nation. The fact they don't want those foundations screwed with isn't wrong. And those foundations are based on rebellion against our King.

Progressives have no btrains, nor principles. They exist solely to defy and protest against the status quo, without rhyme nor reason.

So guess again.

The Iranians that want basic democracy aren't the US versions of democracy. If they were, they'd be fighting for the rights of perverts instead of the basic rights of human beings to not allow themselves to be ruled by morons.

"facts" Gunny?

FACT: the "ideal" our country was founded upon is one simple progressive principle; "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." ...FREEDOM...

What the very core of freedom means Gunny is that YOU don't get to define MY life, liberty and my pursuit of happiness...just YOURS...

Your form of "ideals" is collectivism, conformity and compliance to YOUR definitions of how I should live...and unquestioning support for YOUR king...

America was founded BY progressives that rejected the "Divine right of Kings"... yet YOU defend as "divine", the right of YOUR new King George - Bush to invade a sovereign country and you call his murder of innocent men, women and children "freedom"... and any citizen that protests or doesn't support the divine right of King George is a lawless dissidents and UN American...

Maybe a REAL conservative can explain it to you...but I DOUBT you can comprehend it...

"Equality, rightly understood as our founding fathers understood it, leads to liberty and to the emancipation of creative differences; wrongly understood, as it has been so tragically in our time, it leads first to conformity and then to despotism."
Barry Goldwater (R) – Late Senator & Father of the Conservative movement

Selfishness is not living as one wishes to live; it is asking others to live as one wishes to live.
Oscar Wilde

 

[William Joyce]

Wonder what role Israel and the U.S. have in fomenting the opposition? Our CIA has been behind a lot of aborted "revolutions" that just sent thousands to their deaths and didn't do a thing to crack the ruling power.

 

[Sunni Man]

Wonder what role Israel and the U.S. have in fomenting the opposition? Our CIA has been behind a lot of aborted "revolutions" that just sent thousands to their deaths and didn't do a thing to crack the ruling power.

There is NO doubt in my mind that Israel and the CIA are organizing and funding the leadership of the anti-government protests.

 

[DiveCon]

Wonder what role Israel and the U.S. have in fomenting the opposition? Our CIA has been behind a lot of aborted "revolutions" that just sent thousands to their deaths and didn't do a thing to crack the ruling power.

There is NO doubt in my mind that Israel and the CIA are organizing and funding the leadership of the anti-government protests.

the leader of the opposition was hand picked to run by the supreme leader

yeah, he's an American Pawn

 

[Harry Dresden]

Wonder what role Israel and the U.S. have in fomenting the opposition? Our CIA has been behind a lot of aborted "revolutions" that just sent thousands to their deaths and didn't do a thing to crack the ruling power.

There is NO doubt in my mind that Israel and the CIA are organizing and funding the leadership of the anti-government protests.

you havent answered my question Sunni....were in the middle east are you from?.....just curious...

 

[DiveCon]

Wonder what role Israel and the U.S. have in fomenting the opposition? Our CIA has been behind a lot of aborted "revolutions" that just sent thousands to their deaths and didn't do a thing to crack the ruling power.

There is NO doubt in my mind that Israel and the CIA are organizing and funding the leadership of the anti-government protests.

you havent answered my question Sunni....were in the middle east are you from?.....just curious...

Boston

 

[Sunni Man]

Wonder what role Israel and the U.S. have in fomenting the opposition? Our CIA has been behind a lot of aborted "revolutions" that just sent thousands to their deaths and didn't do a thing to crack the ruling power.

There is NO doubt in my mind that Israel and the CIA are organizing and funding the leadership of the anti-government protests.

you havent answered my question Sunni....were in the middle east are you from?.....just curious...

I am an American born and raised

 

[Harry Dresden]

There is NO doubt in my mind that Israel and the CIA are organizing and funding the leadership of the anti-government protests.

you havent answered my question Sunni....were in the middle east are you from?.....just curious...

Boston

thanx Sunni....

 

[Harry Dresden]

There is NO doubt in my mind that Israel and the CIA are organizing and funding the leadership of the anti-government protests.

you havent answered my question Sunni....were in the middle east are you from?.....just curious...

I am an American born and raised

ok dude thanx for answering....

 

[Bfgrn]

Irony...

Progressives in Iran take to the streets to protest oppression and the status quo...

This alone is probaly the silliest part of a rediculous post.

'Progressives..' who yell 'god is great' and will happily stone gays and women are your version of 'progressives.'

You still haven't learned that the left doesn't own protesting, they aern't protesting the 'status quo' in Iran, they are protesting a dictatorship many have had enough of.

And unlike protests here, it will get a lot of them dead.

As for tolerance of protestors in the USA, 'progressives' here called protestors sex act names to mock and belittle them, and you have the gall to try and rip on conservatives?

You are far worse then any con, both narrow minded and arrogant.

Xenophon (the Greek mercenary who was the first neocon)


You said: 'Progressives..' who yell 'god is great' and will happily stone gays and women are your version of 'progressives.'

No, those ' who yell 'god is great' and will happily stone gays and women are the conservatives who support the theocratic Islamic State, the Supreme Leader of Iran Ali Khamenei and his choice for president; conservative Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

I said: "Progressives in Iran take to the streets to protest oppression and the status quo..."

You said: "they aern't protesting the 'status quo' in Iran, they are protesting a dictatorship many have had enough of.

Oppression - the exercise of authority or power in a burdensome, cruel, or unjust manner.
synonym - dictatorship

Status quo - The existing condition or state of affairs.

 

[DiveCon]

Irony...

Progressives in Iran take to the streets to protest oppression and the status quo...

This alone is probaly the silliest part of a rediculous post.

'Progressives..' who yell 'god is great' and will happily stone gays and women are your version of 'progressives.'

You still haven't learned that the left doesn't own protesting, they aern't protesting the 'status quo' in Iran, they are protesting a dictatorship many have had enough of.

And unlike protests here, it will get a lot of them dead.

As for tolerance of protestors in the USA, 'progressives' here called protestors sex act names to mock and belittle them, and you have the gall to try and rip on conservatives?

You are far worse then any con, both narrow minded and arrogant.

Xenophon (the Greek mercenary who was the first neocon)


You said: 'Progressives..' who yell 'god is great' and will happily stone gays and women are your version of 'progressives.'

No, those ' who yell 'god is great' and will happily stone gays and women are the conservatives who support the theocratic Islamic State, the Supreme Leader of Iran Ali Khamenei and his choice for president; conservative Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

I said: "Progressives in Iran take to the streets to protest oppression and the status quo..."

You said: "they aern't protesting the 'status quo' in Iran, they are protesting a dictatorship many have had enough of.

Oppression - the exercise of authority or power in a burdensome, cruel, or unjust manner.
synonym - dictatorship

Status quo - The existing condition or state of affairs.

i guess you havent heard many of the protestors

 

[garyd]

It will of course come down to what percentage of the cops act more like the Red Army in russia as compared to the percentage that stays with the regime. History Sunni you douche is as repleat with successful uprisings as with failed ones going back hundreds of years and modern technology helps the oppressed as more than it does the oppressors.

Too bad the fourteenth century has come and gone eh Sunni.

By the way if you are Sunni, why in heavens name do you care what happens to a bunch of Shi'a thugs?

 

[DiveCon]

It will of course come down to what percentage of the cops act more like the Red Army in russia as compared to the percentage that stays with the regime. History Sunni you douche is as repleat with successful uprisings as with failed ones going back hundreds of years and modern technology helps the oppressed as more than it does the oppressors.

Too bad the fourteenth century has come and gone eh Sunni.

By the way if you are Sunni, why in heavens name do you care what happens to a bunch of Shi'a thugs?

there are reports of some police looking the other way and some begging the protesters to just go home because they don't want to beat anyone

 

[Annie]

It will of course come down to what percentage of the cops act more like the Red Army in russia as compared to the percentage that stays with the regime. History Sunni you douche is as repleat with successful uprisings as with failed ones going back hundreds of years and modern technology helps the oppressed as more than it does the oppressors.

Too bad the fourteenth century has come and gone eh sunni.

Yep, it will come down to police, army, militia and their reactions and whether or not they'll get 'tougher'. Some good news coming through this evening via Twitter, there's links at both:

Iran Updates (VIDEO): Live-Blogging The Uprising

7:33 PM ET -- Top clerical group Assembly of Experts supports Khamenei. (Update see Saturday 10:05 PM entry.) If accurate, this statement reported by the Tehran Times -- by the one council with the authority to unseat the Supreme Leader -- appears to deal a significant blow to the idea that the clerical establishment would help bring down Khamenei.

In a statement issued on Saturday the Assembly of Experts expressed its "strong support" for the Supreme Leader's statements on the presidential elections on Friday.

The 86-member assembly stated in the statement that it is hoped that the nation would realize the current condition and by sticking to the Leader's guidelines preserve their patience and manifest their unity.

The Qom Seminary Teachers Society also issued a statement on Saturday declaring strong support for the guidelines of the Supreme Leader.​

10:05 PM ET -- More on the Assembly of Experts statement. Earlier today, the Tehran Times posted an article claiming that the powerful clerical group, the Assembly of Experts, had on Saturday "expressed its 'strong support' for the Supreme Leader's statements on the presidential elections on Friday." It would have been a major blow to reformists' efforts to win the support of many senior clerics.

But as it turns out, it's not true. Reader Ali writes in:

I just wanted to point out that the letter of support written by assembly of experts in support of Khamenei's sermon is only signed by the deputy leader of the assembly, who is a former head of the judiciary and a staunch supporter of ahmadinejad, as well as a rival of Rafsanjani for the assembly's leadership election. He is the only one signing the letter and the government sponsored news media are reporting it as a letter from the full assembly.​

And reader Majid provides more details:

Once again thanks for the great job in reporting the events. Just a comment about your 7:33pm item about the Assembly of Experts. The statement is not by the Assembly of Experts, but by Mohammad Yazdi, the head of the "Dabirkhane" of the Assembly of Experts. His statement doesn't carry much weight and definitely not a blow to the freedom movement. After all, there are certainly many Khamene'i loyalists in the Assembly of Experts and such comments could be expected from these cowards.​

 

[garyd]

The real culprits in most of the beatings aren't the cops but the Basjilis, ignorant slugs who lap up the party line in an even more egregious fashion than even Bobo snorts up all the crap coming out of either end of Obama.

 

[Lycurgus]

There is NO doubt in my mind that Israel and the CIA are organizing and funding the leadership of the anti-government protests.

you havent answered my question Sunni....were in the middle east are you from?.....just curious...

I am an American born and raised

...........

 

[Xenophon]

Xenophon (the Greek mercenary who was the first neocon)

He was not a 'neocon' you imbecile.

'Neocons' are LIBERALS who became hard on foreign policy, Xenophon was a Spartan soldier.

Didn't you learn from the past not to post spurilous history around here?

No, those ' who yell 'god is great' and will happily stone gays and women are the conservatives who support the theocratic Islamic State, the Supreme Leader of Iran Ali Khamenei and his choice for president; conservative Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

Wrong again simpleton, BOTH men were selected by the 'supreme leader' to run, they are the same side of the same coin.

You said: "they aern't protesting the 'status quo' in Iran, they are protesting a dictatorship many have had enough of.[/COLOR]

Oppression - the exercise of authority or power in a burdensome, cruel, or unjust manner.
synonym - dictatorship

Which has nothing to do with 'status quo' mon simpleton.

 

[DiveCon]

Xenophon (the Greek mercenary who was the first neocon)

He was not a 'neocon' you imbecile.

'Neocons' are LIBERALS who became hard on foreign policy, Xenophon was a Spartan soldier.

Didn't you learn from the past not to post spurilous history around here?

No, those ' who yell 'god is great' and will happily stone gays and women are the conservatives who support the theocratic Islamic State, the Supreme Leader of Iran Ali Khamenei and his choice for president; conservative Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

Wrong again simpleton, BOTH men were selected by the 'supreme leader' to run, they are the same side of the same coin.

You said: "they aern't protesting the 'status quo' in Iran, they are protesting a dictatorship many have had enough of.[/color]

Oppression - the exercise of authority or power in a burdensome, cruel, or unjust manner.
synonym - dictatorship

Which has nothing to do with 'status quo' mon simpleton.

exactly, and the Mullahs attempt to fix the election could very well backfire on them
the Iranian people might just expect an actual free election

 

[garyd]

Apprently they did and aren't real happy.

 

[Bfgrn]

Xenophon (the Greek mercenary who was the first neocon)

He was not a 'neocon' you imbecile.

'Neocons' are LIBERALS who became hard on foreign policy, Xenophon was a Spartan soldier.

Didn't you learn from the past not to post spurilous history around here?

No, those ' who yell 'god is great' and will happily stone gays and women are the conservatives who support the theocratic Islamic State, the Supreme Leader of Iran Ali Khamenei and his choice for president; conservative Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

Wrong again simpleton, BOTH men were selected by the 'supreme leader' to run, they are the same side of the same coin.

You said: "they aern't protesting the 'status quo' in Iran, they are protesting a dictatorship many have had enough of.[/COLOR]

Oppression - the exercise of authority or power in a burdensome, cruel, or unjust manner.
synonym - dictatorship

Which has nothing to do with 'status quo' mon simpleton.

Xenophon, also known as Xenophon of Athens and Xenophon of Thebes, was a soldier, mercenary and a contemporary and admirer of Socrates. Xenophon was born into the ranks of the upper classes, thus granting him access to certain privileges of the aristocracy of ancient Attica.

Legacy
Xenophon's standing as a political philosopher has been defended in recent times by Leo Strauss, who devoted a considerable part of his philosophic analysis to the works of Xenophon, returning to the high judgment of Xenophon as a thinker expressed by Shaftesbury, Winckelmann, and Machiavelli.

Leo Strauss is the father of the NeoConservative movement, including many leaders of the Bush administration. Indeed, some of the main neocon players were students of Strauss at the University of Chicago, where he taught for many years. Strauss, born in Germany, was an admirer of Italian fascists, Nazi Philosophers and Machiavelli.

Alan Gilbert argues that Leo Strauss’s politics are very close to those of the recent generation of politically active Neocons. He traces the idea of a great anti-modern tyrant in the writings of Strauss, drawing on his discussion of Machiavelli, Xenophon, Plato, and his contemporary Alexandre Kojève. But the most interesting nuggets in Gilbert’s paper relate to Strauss’s direct engagement in the political world.

Gilbert looks at Strauss’s On Tyranny as a revealing source on this point:
Xenophon’s Socrates makes it clear that there is only one and sufficient title to rule: only knowledge and not force and fraud or election [note how Strauss rules out democracy here] or, we may add, inheritance makes a man a king or ruler. If this is the case ‘constitutional’ rule, rule derived from elections is not essentially more legitimate than tyrannical rule, rule derived from force or fraud. Tyrannical rule as well as ‘constitutional’ rule will be legitimate to the extent which the tyrant or the ‘constitutional’ rulers will listen to the counsels of him who ‘speaks well’ because he ‘thinks well.’ At any rate, the rule of a tyrant, who comes to power by force or fraud or having committed any number of crimes, is essentially more legitimate than the rule of elected magistrates who refuse to listen to such suggestions, i.e. than the rule of elected magistrates as such.

Ref.
wiki
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2009/06/hbc-90005094

Mir-Hossein Mousavi is an Iranian reformist politician, painter and architect who served as the fifth and last Prime Minister of the Islamic republic of Iran from 1981 to 1989. Mousavi is currently the president of the Iranian Academy of Arts and was a candidate for the 2009 presidential election.

Among his policies are creation of a free environment for the flow of information and corrections to the national budget. He wants to promote the creation of private, non-governmental TV networks and stop the operation of the "Moral Police". He has spoken about his opposition to massive changes in ministries compared to what he claims Ahmadinejad has done. Regarding the Iranian nuclear program, his plan includes reducing the cost by opposing radical approaches while maintaining what he sees as Iran's right.

He has also vowed to review laws that discriminate against women in Iran if he wins the upcoming election. He has stated that he would seek to disband the so called morality police force of Iran and make sure that women in Iran are treated equally, have the ability to attain financial empowerment and highest levels of decision making bodies.

Mousavi denied the claims that his candidacy is per request of Supreme Leader Khamenei, and asserted he had not sought Khamenei's approval beforehand.
wiki

Several hundred demonstrators – many wearing the trademark green colors of pro-reform candidate Mir Hossein Mousavi’s campaign – chanted "the government lied to the people" and gathered near the Interior Ministry as the final count from Friday's presidential election was announced.

It gave 62.6 percent of the vote to Ahmadinejad and 33.75 to Mousavi – a former prime minister who has become the hero of a youth-driven movement seeking greater liberties and a gentler face for Iran abroad.

With his wide network of young and middle-class backers, Mousavi could emerge as a leader for Iran's liberal ranks and bring internal pressure on Ahmadinejad and Iran's theocracy to adopt less confrontational policies toward the West.
AP

The status quo is Ahmadinejad...even a simpleton understand THAT...it is not an ideological term...

Status quo, literally "the state in which", is a Latin term meaning the current or existing state of affairs. To maintain the status quo is to keep the things the way they presently are.
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