The Science of Morality

[Thunderbird]

It would be less valid.

Creation is simply a reflection of the creator. For example, if you make a car it says a lot about your level of intelligence and what your values and needs are. As human beings, we are no different as love is what gives our lives meaning and purpose. As a result, the law that governs us is the law of love given to us by God. Deep down, we understand the Golden Rule, for example. That is why we will all be held to account regardless of being told about it.

Suppose God created us and then went on vacation. Sort of a deist God. Would His view ”Love they neighbor” be any less valid?

 

[Votto]

Hmmm
People migrate with the weather.
People living in big cities are happy.
"Freedom" and happiness have nothing to do with one another.

If you own your are bound to your property
Therefore if you own you have no freedom.
Yet, owning can bring happiness.

Perhaps you should think
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Before being you.

Telling me what will and won't make me happy?

Get bent.

 

[Votto]

Suppose God created us and then went on vacation. Sort of a deist God. Would His view ”Love they neighbor” be any less valid?

Again, that makes no sense. If man is a reflection of the Creator God, then there is no possible way God simply is indifferent to us because the law of love rules our hearts. We are not indifferent as a rule.

The Diest God is completely illogical.

But, for the sake of argument, if God is indifferent to us, he may as well be dead to us.

 

[Dadoalex]

If Christianity never existed you would be telling us “might makes right” is the fundamental self evident principle of morality.

WTF is wrong with you?
Christianity has been the excuse for millions upon millions of murders, for wars, for torture...

I am Buddhist.
Be good for goodness sake

 

[Dadoalex]

Telling me what will and won't make me happy?

Get bent.

The only thing that makes you happy is swallowing Capn Slurpee.

 

[Votto]

WTF is wrong with you?
Christianity has been the excuse for millions upon millions of murders, for wars, for torture...

I am Buddhist.
Be good for goodness sake

The politics of men is what murders people, and atheist Marxists are the biggest murderers by far than any religion or ideology last century. The religion of the Left is deadly, especially because it is still presented as "cool" to the younger generations who are not taught history, history that would show them that Marxists murdered hundreds of millions more than the Nazis, yet only Nazism is demonized? The Founders of BLM proudly proclaim themselves Marxists? Really? Do the retards even know Marx was an ardent racist?

Pure idiocy.

 

[Votto]

The only thing that makes you happy is swallowing Capn Slurpee.

You ride the short bus, we get it.

Just keep that helmet strapped on, its for your own safety.

 

[Thunderbird]

WTF is wrong with you?
Christianity has been the excuse for millions upon millions of murders, for wars, for torture...

I am Buddhist.
Be good for goodness sake

WTF is wrong with you?

Buddhists from Myanmar, Thailand, China, and Japan have killed millions. And atheists are even worse.

The Black Book of Communism — Harvard University Press

Already famous throughout Europe, this international bestseller plumbs recently opened archives in the former Soviet bloc to reveal the actual, practical accomplishments of Communism around the world: terror, torture, famine, mass deportations, and massacres. Astonishing in the sheer detail it...

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[Votto]

WTF is wrong with you?

Buddhists in Myanmar, Thailand, and Japan have killed millions. And atheists are even worse.

Leftists are bereft of knowledge and common sense.

That is why they tell themselves that people are deep down good, and then explain why the MAGA crowd and Zionism are the source of all evil in the universe and if they did not exist, we would have utopia.

The only question is, what made those people so bad?

They would probably say a free market made them bad, or freedom in general.

 

[Dadoalex]

The politics of men is what murders people, and atheist Marxists are the biggest murderers by far than any religion or ideology last century. The religion of the Left is deadly, especially because it is still presented as "cool" to the younger generations who are not taught history, history that would show them that Marxists murdered hundreds of millions more than the Nazis, yet only Nazism is demonized? The Founders of BLM proudly proclaim themselves Marxists? Really? Do the retards even know Marx was an ardent racist?

Pure idiocy.

Marx
Caused the crusades?
Was responsible for the Inquisitions?
Was at the front of the Spanish armies that committed genocide in South America?

That your understanding of economic and political systems is approximately equal to ZERO is clear. That you want to deny the evil that is monotheism is equally clear.

 

[Dadoalex]

You ride the short bus, we get it.

Just keep that helmet strapped on, its for your own safety.

I drive the short bus.
Welcome aboard Tardo.

 

[Dadoalex]

WTF is wrong with you?

Buddhists from Myanmar, Thailand, China, and Japan have killed millions. And atheists are even worse.

The Black Book of Communism — Harvard University Press

Already famous throughout Europe, this international bestseller plumbs recently opened archives in the former Soviet bloc to reveal the actual, practical accomplishments of Communism around the world: terror, torture, famine, mass deportations, and massacres. Astonishing in the sheer detail it...

www.hup.harvard.edu

First, you are a liar.
Second, your "source" doesn't mention Buddhists
Third, sell books on Amazon
Forth, you are still a liar

Show me a single started so Buddhism could spread.
Show me a group tortured and murdered for refusing to accept Buddhism.

Be stupid if you wish but when you're stupid I will point your stupidity out, STUIPID.

 

[Votto]

Marx
Caused the crusades?
Was responsible for the Inquisitions?
Was at the front of the Spanish armies that committed genocide in South America?

That your understanding of economic and political systems is approximately equal to ZERO is clear. That you want to deny the evil that is monotheism is equally clear.

The politics of man brings genocide and misery, no matter your ideology. Looking at the history of genocide, it appears to me to be more of the human state than a fluke occurrence here or there.

The issue is the sinful nature of man, which is what led to the demise of ancient Israel. The people demanded a king in 1 Samuel 8. God warned them of the abuses that would be inflicted upon them by a sinful man given power over them, but they refused to listen.

The fledgling nation only survived another 2 more kings before it broke apart, and later the Assyrians and Babylonians finished them off as the Hebrew nation one day found themselves in the ovens of Nazi Germany.

Thomas Pain during the Revolutionary war also used 1 Samuel 8 in his work, Common Sense, to say the exact same thing.

 

[Dadoalex]

The politics of man brings genocide and misery, no matter your ideology. Looking at the history of genocide, it appears to me to be more of the human state than a fluke occurrence here or there.

The issue is the sinful nature of man, which is what led to the demise of ancient Israel. The people demanded a king in 1 Samuel 8. God warned them of the abuses that would be inflicted upon them by a sinful man given power over them, but they refused to listen.

The fledgling nation only survived another 2 more kings before it broke apart, and later the Assyrians and Babylonians finished them off as the Hebrew nation one day found themselves in the ovens of Nazi Germany.

Thomas Pain during the Revolutionary war also used 1 Samuel 8 in his work, Common Sense, to say the exact same thing.

You said it was MARX.

Are you admitting you're wrong?
Or are you accusing the wrong Marx?

 

[Dadoalex]

The politics of man brings genocide and misery, no matter your ideology. Looking at the history of genocide, it appears to me to be more of the human state than a fluke occurrence here or there.

The issue is the sinful nature of man, which is what led to the demise of ancient Israel. The people demanded a king in 1 Samuel 8. God warned them of the abuses that would be inflicted upon them by a sinful man given power over them, but they refused to listen.

The fledgling nation only survived another 2 more kings before it broke apart, and later the Assyrians and Babylonians finished them off as the Hebrew nation one day found themselves in the ovens of Nazi Germany.

Thomas Pain during the Revolutionary war also used 1 Samuel 8 in his work, Common Sense, to say the exact same thing.

Wrong.

It is monotheism, and in fact any belief that demands "faith" in any god and requires actions to serve those gods that causes man to fall upon his fellows in murderous rage.

Politics is, quite simply, an extension of religion.

To blame Marx or Marxism for events that never followed Marxist beliefs by people who, like those seeking power through the church, believe only in their own power is ridiculously ignorant.

 

[Votto]

Wrong.

It is monotheism, and in fact any belief that demands "faith" in any god and requires actions to serve those gods that causes man to fall upon his fellows in murderous rage.

Politics is, quite simply, an extension of religion.

To blame Marx or Marxism for events that never followed Marxist beliefs by people who, like those seeking power through the church, believe only in their own power is ridiculously ignorant.

The only way to serve an all knowing and all-powerful God is through faith because only he has all the answers. Obviously, God does not demand it because you have none.

As for Marx, he would be appalled at the horrific history of Marxism. I really believe that, but the ideology appeals to murderous tyrants because just having a chance at working requires absolute control by the state. That is why they are all drawn to it like a moth to the light, Even Hitler called himself a socialist.

But at the end of the day, they don't give a damn about any ideology, just power, which is why they all break certain tenants of Marxism. But rubes like yourself insist that Marxism just needs to be done right to work, which it never will be as you support future Marxists.


Wash, rinse, repeat.

 

[Blues Man]

Many have employed science and reason and proved to their own satisfaction that certain “inferior” or “backward” humans should be eliminated: sterilized or killed.

Please read up on Karl Pearson and Francis Galton and Margaret Sanger and H.G. Wells not to mention the Nazis and the Communists.

“Maximizing the well being of all conscious beings“ how can that be proven by science? Isn’t science a description of reality rather than a declaration of morality?

Is Ought

In every system of morality, which I have hitherto met with, I have always remarked, that the author proceeds for some time in the ordinary way of reasoning, and establishes the being of a God, or makes observations concerning human affairs; when of a sudden I am surprised to find, that instead of the usual copulations of propositions, is, and is not, I meet with no proposition that is not connected with an ought, or an ought not. This change is imperceptible; but is, however, of the last consequence. For as this ought, or ought not, expresses some new relation or affirmation, it's necessary that it should be observed and explained; and at the same time that a reason should be given, for what seems altogether inconceivable, how this new relation can be a deduction from others, which are entirely different from it. But as authors do not commonly use this precaution, I shall presume to recommend it to the readers; and am persuaded, that this small attention would subvert all the vulgar systems of morality, and let us see, that the distinction of vice and virtue is not founded merely on the relations of objects, nor is perceived by reason. - David Hume

And please tell me precisely which animals are “conscious beings”. And when exactly does a child in her mother’s womb become conscious?

And what exactly is “well being”? Is it the absence of suffering? Is it achievement? Is it hedonism?

Also consider: 7 Christian men or movements who helped end slavery in America

How does killing someone increase the quality of their well being?

Christians burned people at the stake all in the name of your god. Do you condone that?

And that fact that some Christians worked against slavery is just proof that they didn't accept what the bible and their god said about slavery. IOW they chose a better path of morality than the god of the bible.

But then again just as many Christians used the bible to excuse their participation in the slave trade.

You don't think it can be agreed upon that some things are better for the well being of people than other things?

Can we agree that the repeated rape of a child is detrimental using the science of medicine, our knowledge of mental health and human development?

Can we agree that stoning people to death for not observing the Sabbath is the better course of action regardless what the bible says?

And again the fact that people don't kill people for not observing the Sabbath is a choice made outside of the divine moral decrees in the Bible shows that people have chosen what they believe is a better way than the one their god dictated to them.

So instead of cherry picking biblical morals why not just realize that we are more than capable of setting our own?

 

[Votto]

How does killing someone increase the quality of their well being?

Christians burned people at the stake all in the name of your god. Do you condone that?

And that fact that some Christians worked against slavery is just proof that they didn't accept what the bible and their god said about slavery. IOW they chose a better path of morality than the god of the bible.

But then again just as many Christians used the bible to excuse their participation in the slave trade.

You don't think it can be agreed upon that some things are better for the well being of people than other things?

Can we agree that the repeated rape of a child is detrimental using the science of medicine, our knowledge of mental health and human development?

Can we agree that stoning people to death for not observing the Sabbath is the better course of action regardless what the bible says?

And again the fact that people don't kill people for not observing the Sabbath is a choice made outside of the divine moral decrees in the Bible shows that people have chosen what they believe is a better way than the one their god dictated to them.

So instead of cherry picking biblical morals why not just realize that we are more than capable of setting our own?

The church did burn people at the stake, just like the religious leaders of the time of Jesus put him on a cross

At the end of the day, though, it was all because of human politics

 

[Blues Man]

Name a law that does not take a moral stand.

You can't.

You have to be 18 to vote. No morality just an age limit.
You have to be a US citizen to vote. No morality just a birth requirement
You have to be 16 to get a driver's license again just an age requirement
You have to pay sales tax no morals just a revenue stream
You have to be 35 to run for president no morality

 

[Blues Man]

The church did burn people at the stake, just like the religious leaders of the time of Jesus put him on a cross

At the end of the day, though, it was all because of human politics

No the burning of heretics was religious morality in action