The SAVE America Act is dead

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Gerrymandering is actually damaging to our democracy, and Rs love that shit. Is this just more blatant hypocrisy? Doh -- I think it is!

I'm all for an independent commission of foreign mathematicians drawing the districts.

 

[Bitterhook]

Gerrymandering is actually damaging to our democracy, and Rs love that shit. Is this just more blatant hypocrisy? Doh -- I think it is!

And if you had referred to the Establishment and not just R's or D's, then you wouldn't be as much of a hypocrite and a political hack.

 

[Care4all]

Arizona v. ITCA

2013

Ruled that the National Voter Registration Act (federal law) trumped Arizona's requirement for documentary proof of citizenship for federal registration.

The Limits​

While Congress has vast power over the procedural aspects (the "how"), the Court has noted in cases like Arizona v. ITCA that the qualifications of voters (the "who") are largely left to the states, provided they do not violate constitutional amendments like the 15th (race), 19th (sex), or 26th (age).

 

[Care4all]

It's for your own safety, Care

Of course!!!!

 

[Bitterhook]

But this is exactly their end goal of what you are arguing for Bitter... just look at the wider view...please be careful for what you wish for....look further, for their end goal....and it is to digitize us....each with their own number as identity and some kind of biometrics as proof.

Oh, I get it and I understand.
Just saying that if things actually get that messed up, I won't mind going on with being a pioneer elsewhere.

There are still places in this world where you can control your destiny if you are willing to put forth the effort.
I know of a few, not that hard to get to, and some things require more vision and a little risk to get somewhere new but that is still worth getting to without sacrificing everything in the process.

Some people wait for all their opportunities to be delivered, and as you mentioned end up with what they asked for, while others explore trying to find them, and it is as simple as that.

 

[dblack]

I'm all for an independent commission of foreign mathematicians drawing the districts.

I'm leaning more toward multi-rep districts, generally state wide. Takes all the gaming out of it.

 

[Independent thinker]

Politics

Senate Leader Thune throws cold water on filibuster change in push for voter-ID bill​

Key Points

• Senate Majority Leader John Thune, R-S.D., on Tuesday said he supported the SAVE America Act, but that there is not enough support in the Senate to change the filibuster and clear a path for the controversial bill.
• The House is expected to vote this week on the legislation, which would require people to prove their citizenship to register to vote and show ID at the ballot box.
• GOP hardliners have called for a return to the “standing filibuster,” which requires Congress members to be physically present and talking on the Senate floor to delay legislation.

Yeah, like the Senate would do anything to save America.

They are all on the same team, and it isn’t team USA....Why isn't "Uniparty" a recognized political party affiliation yet?

They won't even act on a 85/15 issue.....Well, back to naming walking trails in national parks I guess.

There are some problems with the ACT as is. The way it is currently written needs tweaking. For the most part, it does greatly burden anyone who has changed their last names since birth, mostly affecting women who have married. I read up on it and in 44 states, even Real ID's aren't sufficient proof of citizenship as per the SAVE ACT.

Even though I have a Real ID I would still have to bring my birth certificate and re-register. Last year I couldn't find my birth certificate and had to send off for a new one to get my Real ID, which took close to six months to get but, as I said, the Real ID by itself does not satisfy the SAVE ACT for proof of citizenship, even though I had to provide proof of citizenship to get my Real ID.

 

[CowboyTed]

Instead of for the People, by the People, our country is FOR THE SWAMP, BY THE SWAMP.

Poll after poll shows that the American People WANT VOTER ID.
This POS Thune has to be FIRED.

The problem with Voter ID is that millions of people don't have a government ID.

The Brennan Center for Justice has said that the bill would "undermine Americans’ freedom to vote," noting: "Roughly half of Americans don’t even have a passport. Millions lack access to a paper copy of their birth certificate."

Are the government going to pay for millions of mainly poor people to get their Birth Certs and Government IDs for a right they have in the constitution... The US doesn't have mandatory ID laws, it is only in countries who want to control their citizens...

The constitution has stated that voting is a right and if you don't have or can't get Government ID, it doesn't mean you loose that right...

What problem are ye trying to solve... Non US Citizens voting... There has been only 77 cases in the last 24 years.

New database of US voter fraud finds no evidence that photo ID laws are needed

www.nbcnews.com

"A BPC analysis of The Heritage Foundation’s Election Fraud Cases database found only 77 instances of noncitizens voting between 1999 and 2023.<a href="Four Things to Know about Noncitizen Voting">2</a> A study conducted by the Brennan Center for Justice analyzing 23.5 million votes across 42 jurisdictions in the 2016 general election concluded that there were approximately 30 instances of noncitizens casting votes. Illegal voting, including by noncitizens, is routinely investigated and prosecuted by the appropriate authorities, and there is no evidence that noncitizen voting has ever been significant enough to impact an election’s outcome."

Four Things to Know about Noncitizen Voting

In recent years, heightened scrutiny has targeted the integrity of election processes, particularly regarding noncitizen participation in U.S. elections. We address here four frequently asked questions concerning noncitizens voting in American elections: Can noncitizens vote?How do election...

bipartisanpolicy.org

So you want to solve the 77 cases in 24 years by disenfranchising millions from voting... Which is the real threat to democracy?

And it doesn't stop there:

Student IDs banned as voter identification under bill headed for Indiana Senate floor

Students at Indiana public colleges and universities would no longer be able use their school IDs as proof of identification when they go to vote.

www.wfyi.org

Bans on student IDs for voting proposed in five states

State laws vary widely on whether college-issued IDs can be used at polling places. As some states change or modify the laws, voting rights advocates say the legislative maneuvers may impede student voting.

www.insidehighered.com

This isn't about voter security to an almost non existent problem, this is about voter suppression...

So the question shouldn't be 'Do you want Voter ID?. The question is do you want Mandatory Government Registration to obtain an ID so you can exercise your right in the constitution to vote...

Then you have to tell us what happens if the government refuses to issue an ID?

 

[dblack]

So the question shouldn't be 'Do you want Voter ID?. The question is do you want Mandatory Government Registration to obtain an ID so you can exercise your right in the constitution to vote...

Then you have to tell us what happens if the government refuses to issue an ID?

I think they're shooting for some kind of chip, or tattoo that will positively identify everyone at all times. It's the only way to realize their brave new world.

 

[pknopp]

There are some problems with the ACT as is. The way it is currently written needs tweaking. For the most part, it does greatly burden anyone who has changed their last names since birth, mostly affecting women who have married. I read up on it and in 44 states, even Real ID's aren't sufficient proof of citizenship as per the SAVE ACT.

Even though I have a Real ID I would still have to bring my birth certificate and re-register. Last year I couldn't find my birth certificate and had to send off for a new one to get my Real ID, which took close to six months to get but, as I said, the Real ID by itself does no satisfy the SAVE ACT for proof of citizenship, even though I had to provide proof of citizenship to get my Real ID.

If anyone already registered has to do anything additional I am against it.

I proved I was a citizen when I registered. I provide the identification supplied when I registered.

Those believe the word of cry baby poor losers say that isn't good enough.

 

[sparky]

It's all a grand illusion.

Murkowski is right. This is a state's rights issue.

Until Congress passes a law saying it isn't, and the Elections Clause in the US Constitution specifically states they can.

The problem is some states, including my own, have decided to turn a blind eye to any election fraud as long as it suits their interest.

in my bluer than blue state the D's amended the voter ID bill to make just asking for ID harassment , ergo punishable crime

~S~

 

[Care4all]

I'm leaning more toward multi-rep districts, generally state wide. Takes all the gaming out of it.

How would that work?

 

[dblack]

How would that work?

How to stop the gerrymandering wars and give every voter a voice - FairVote

A gerrymandering war has erupted across the nation, with Republicans and Democrats threatening to redraw congressional maps in their favor.

fairvote.org

 

[Bitterhook]

in my bluer than blue state the D's amended the voter ID bill to make just asking for ID harassment , ergo punishable crime

~S~

Well Sparky, I wish I could help you, but I don't live in your state.

If I am correct, you are retired firefighter, will your pension travel?
There could be more concerns like family, land, maybe you just really like it there, or whatever.

 

[Bitterhook]

How would that work?

Petition your Representatives in Congress to write a law designating how districts are determined, and would get rid of the state's right to gerrymander.

The US Constitution allows that.

 

[Independent thinker]

If anyone already registered has to do anything additional I am against it.

I proved I was a citizen when I registered. I provide the identification supplied when I registered.

Those believe the word of cry baby poor losers say that isn't good enough.

I'm not sure that is true. When I first registered (many, many moons ago), I don't remember bringing anything more than my ID and maybe some kind of proof of where I lived, such as a utility bill, and probably checking a box claiming I was a citizen. I don't remember having to prove I was a citizen when I registered. I don't mind having to re-register but they should accept my Real ID because in getting my Real ID I had to prove I was a citizen so that should be acceptable. One solution would be to not allow anyone to get a Real ID unless they are a citizen.

 

[Rawley]

I'm increasingly leaning that way too.
These goddam RINOs stand in the way of all that's good. And, ironically, they'll get destroyed because they didn't have the guts to curtail vote cheating.

I don't understand why he would not even bring the bill the floor for a vote. Let's get everyone opposed to Voter ID on the record. Would be huge campaign tool for the midterms.

 

[Rawley]

Gerrymandering is actually damaging to our democracy, and Rs love that shit. Is this just more blatant hypocrisy? Doh -- I think it is!

Gerrymandering has been part of the system for 200 years

 

[Rawley]

I proved I was a citizen when I registered. I provide the identification supplied when I registered.

You said that before. What State was this?

 

[pknopp]

I'm not sure that is true. When I first registered (many, many moons ago), I don't remember bringing anything more than my ID and maybe some kind of proof of where I lived, such as a utility bill, and probably checking a box claiming I was a citizen. I don't remember having to prove I was a citizen when I registered. I don't mind having to re-register but they should accept my Real ID because in getting my Real ID I had to prove I was a citizen so that should be acceptable. One solution would be to not allow anyone to get a Real ID unless they are a citizen.

I provided my birth certificate and likely my D.L.

Here is the thing......states could provided a photo ID voters registration card today. They don't. Why is that?

When I go to vote they could ask me to look up and smile and make me a photo registration card. They don't. Why is that?