The Rittenhouse Verdict

[Vrenn]

They already have. They did that in seattle.

But this raises one important observation and one important question:

1.) If rioters arm themselves then that is their right as American citizens and I for one would not deny them that right.

2.) If they do then those who support the riots would be faced with an uncomfortable question: Do I support those who arm themselves so as to loot, burn, destroy and otherwise break the law with impunity or do I support the ones who arm themselves to prevent it?

You seem to have lost it once again. Protesting isn't only legal, it's a right. Rioting is not legal and stomps all over other's rights. Of a Protester is armed (depending on the laws) then he's not breaking any laws. If a Rioter is armed, that raises the illegality to a higher level.

 

[beagle9]

who got shot down in the street by an active shooter??

Exactly.... See how dangerous they can be with their word game's ?? People need to really get educated as to how these leftist evil ones roll.

Good catch, but I saw it also, now let's see him spin his way out of it.

Yes law enforcement needs re-informed alright or rather they need to get reeducated on this new evilness twisting of words and definition's that serves to undermine justice and the law in this country. This in which Joe attempted to pull is a shining example of it.

 

[beagle9]

You seem to have lost it once again. Protesting isn't only legal, it's a right. Rioting is not legal and stomps all over other's rights. Of a Protester is armed (depending on the laws) then he's not breaking any laws. If a Rioter is armed, that raises the illegality to a higher level.

You attempting to say that Kyle was a rioter ? ROTFLMBO.... Keep pulling those desperation straws.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

They just saw a man gunned down in the street by an active shooter. Trying to stop him wasn't unreasonable.

Like I told someone in another thread about Rittenhouse, these people did not know Rittenhouse was an active shooter, they just assumed he was. Also, they were not trained to take down an active shooter and as a result, they simply looked like an angry mob trying to beat the shit of him, just like the angry mob that had just tried to beat the shit out of him minutes before.

Right, because the cops never shoot people of color with their hands up.

Irrelevant. He had his hands up to surrender to the cops that were coming up the street.

I didn't even expect the cops to shoot him, I expected them to take him into custody, collect evidence and maybe slap him around a bit until he confessed. But again, White Privilege!!!

I’ll just bet the little bastard is Catholic too.

It's a matter of fact that they do. The cops come into these neighborhoods every day, hassle people, and then go home to their nice neighborhoods on the Southwest and Northwest sides. What we need are cops that are part of that community.

No one’s preventing these people from applying to the police academy.

As long as we keep policing the way we do, um, yeah. Not to worry, the cops are all over it if some second rate actor fakes a hate crime, though.

Doesn’t matter. If they’re not going to trust the cops then the cops are not going to trust them.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Keep up the good works on this knuckle head, because he is about as dumb as they come. Not sure how he got so dumb, but I doubt you will ever have to untie the other side of your brain that's tied behind your back in order to defeat him, because he's just that dumb. Maybe you'll show him some mercy by drinking some moonshine just to make it more fair. lol

I’m not sure if he’s actually this dumb or if he’s saying and doing anything and everything to score wokepoints.

Either way, there is a decidedly serious lack of critical thinking and logic in his approach.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Not one single "Protester" that has been armed riot in the last 20 years or more.

Wrong. Grosskreutz - the last guy he shot in the arm - was armed as was another rioter who actually fired his pistol in the air as Rittenhouse and Rosenbaum ran past him.

It is also a known fact that a guy arrived in the Seattle with AR-15s in the trunk of his car and started handing them out.

But using the Rittenhouser case as a test, they would have gotten off if something was thrown at them and they shot them dead.

Rosenbaum wasn’t shot for throwing the bag at Rittenhouse, he was shot when he tried to take Kyle’s gun from him.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

You seem to have lost it once again. Protesting isn't only legal, it's a right. Rioting is not legal and stomps all over other's rights. Of a Protester is armed (depending on the laws) then he's not breaking any laws. If a Rioter is armed, that raises the illegality to a higher level.

I didn’t say anything that contradicts what you’re saying here. I’m not sure what your point is.

 

[JoeB131]

You want the country to split creating no go zones, and communities made up of specific colors with their own colored police force, otherwise you want segregation again. Ok let's do it, you start it or fight for it, and we'll see just how far you get with this dumb bull crap. I bet their will be thousand's upon thousand's of multi-colored people who will not let the dregs of society dictate their positions or roles played in this society or COUNTRY, so get your dumb head out of the sand you dummy.

It's fun to watch you go into hysterics...

Having a white police force abuse people of color is a good idea to you? Really?

 

[JoeB131]

Like I told someone in another thread about Rittenhouse, these people did not know Rittenhouse was an active shooter, they just assumed he was. Also, they were not trained to take down an active shooter and as a result, they simply looked like an angry mob trying to beat the shit of him, just like the angry mob that had just tried to beat the shit out of him minutes before.

He was an active shooter, and they knew that because he just shot someone four times...

Irrelevant. He had his hands up to surrender to the cops that were coming up the street.

Again, these were the SAME police who shot Jacob Blake in the back seven times because he MIGHT have a knife. White Privilege.

No one’s preventing these people from applying to the police academy.

Why should they? Besides the fact a lot of these big city PD's are notoriously racist... a lot of them need to be scrapped and started again from scratch.

Doesn’t matter. If they’re not going to trust the cops then the cops are not going to trust them.

It's not the cop's job to trust them... it's their job to do investigations and catch bad guys.

83% of homicides in Chicago go unsolved, but man, we got Jussie Smollet.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

He was an active shooter, and they knew that because he just shot someone four times...

Who knew that? Link?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

He was an active shooter, and they knew that because he just shot someone four times...



Again, these were the SAME police who shot Jacob Blake in the back seven times because he MIGHT have a knife. White Privilege.



Why should they? Besides the fact a lot of these big city PD's are notoriously racist... a lot of them need to be scrapped and started again from scratch.




It's not the cop's job to trust them... it's their job to do investigations and catch bad guys.

83% of homicides in Chicago go unsolved, but man, we got Jussie Smollet.

Again, these were the SAME police who shot Jacob Blake in the back seven times because he MIGHT have a knife.

Blake admitted he had a knife. The cops saw it in his hand.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

He was an active shooter, and they knew that because he just shot someone four times...

An active shooter is out to kill as many people as possible. Rittenhouse shot one guy and in self defense.

Again, these were the SAME police who shot Jacob Blake in the back seven times because he MIGHT have a knife. White Privilege.

Irrelevant. You said he didn’t turn himself in until the next day but video clearly shows him trying to surrender to police right after the shootings.

Why should they? Besides the fact a lot of these big city PD's are notoriously racist... a lot of them need to be scrapped and started again from scratch.

Irrelevant. If they truly want to effect change in their neighborhoods then some can become police officers. You said yourself they need officers from that area.

You can’t have it both ways. If they’re going to just sit there and stew in their hatred of cops and white people then they have no one to blame but themselves for nothing being done.

It's not the cop's job to trust them... it's their job to do investigations and catch bad guys.

Which, by your own admission, they can’t do because the people don’t trust them.

83% of homicides in Chicago go unsolved, but man, we got Jussie Smollet.

That’s because the moron went straight to the police himself but didn’t have the sense to make his hoax not look like a hoax.

 

[JoeB131]

An active shooter is out to kill as many people as possible. Rittenhouse shot one guy and in self defense.

An active shooter is someone who goes out with a gun in public and shoots multiple people.

Rittenhouse qualifies.

Irrelevant. You said he didn’t turn himself in until the next day but video clearly shows him trying to surrender to police right after the shootings.

The video shows him walking past cops, who couldn't even be bothered to take him into custody.

They'd have shot him where he stood if he was black.

Irrelevant. If they truly want to effect change in their neighborhoods then some can become police officers. You said yourself they need officers from that area.

You can’t have it both ways. If they’re going to just sit there and stew in their hatred of cops and white people then they have no one to blame but themselves for nothing being done.

No point in becoming a cop if the institutions remain corrupt.

Which, by your own admission, they can’t do because the people don’t trust them.

Then you rebuild that trust.
Stop pulling people over for DWB's.
Hold rogue cops accountable and fire them.
I could go on with a list, but since you think the police's job is to keep a boot on the neck, it's kind of pointless.

That’s because the moron went straight to the police himself but didn’t have the sense to make his hoax not look like a hoax.

No one defends Smollet... the problem was the CPD's priorities. Do you think a regular citizen could make a report like that and have this kind of manpower devoted to it? And when it was found out to be an obvious hoax, the whole political establishment decided that we had to keep going after this guy for something that is barely a misdemeanor.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

An active shooter is someone who goes out with a gun in public and shoots multiple people.

Rittenhouse qualifies.

Did he qualify after he shot the child rapist?

 

[M14 Shooter]

Justice isn't so cut and dried and now you and others will have to live (or die) by that "Justice". Around here, the whole situation would have been avoided. No rioting, no burning, no nut with a gun running around. Had the nut with a gun wandered into a Protest (yes, Dorthy, we have one from time to time) he would have (At a minimum) been temporarily delayed by the cops until they were sure he put the damned thing away or didn't need locked up.

So..
You DO believe the state should punish people for laws they did not break.
Good to know.
What other western legal principles should we just ignore?

 

[M14 Shooter]

And OJ was innocent.

I accept your concession of the point.

 

[AZrailwhale]

The Republicans ( via trump ) radicalized the courts to lean towards the far right. Just look at the makeup of the supreme Court, it's totally out of balance. The Texas abortion law should have been shut down immediately by them, hopefully it still will be, we don't need any insane laws in this country. We are free Nation not a Nazi Nation.

For the first time in decades SCOTUS isn’t out of balance to the left.

 

[Dadoalex]

Try this topic again, keep it civil, and within the board rules, and guidelines, and it can remain upstairs.
The first one didn't go so well.

The Rittenhouse verdict is in and "Not Guilty" on all charges.

KENOSHA, Wis., Nov 19 (Reuters) - A jury acquitted teenager Kyle Rittenhouse on Friday of murder in the fatal shooting of two men during racial justice protests in a decision thatignited fierce debate about gun rights and the boundaries of self defense in the United States.

The jury found Rittenhouse, 18, not guilty on all charges: two counts of homicide, one count of attempted homicide for wounding a third man, and two counts of recklessly endangering safety in protests marred by arson, rioting and looting on Aug. 25, 2020 in Kenosha, Wisconsin.


Rittenhouse broke down sobbing after the verdict and collapsed to the floor before being helped back into his chair.

Amid a heavy law enforcement presence, several dozen protesters lined the steps outside the courthouse after the verdict was read, some carrying placards in support of Rittenhouse and others expressing disappointment.

Kyle Rittenhouse found not guilty of all charges in Wisconsin murder trial

A jury acquitted teenager Kyle Rittenhouse on Friday of murder in the fatal shooting of two men during racial justice protests in a decision that re-ignited fierce debate about gun rights and the boundaries of self defense in the United States.

www.reuters.com

Was anyone REALLY surprised by the verdict?
and
Was anyone REALLY surprised by the verdict in the Arbery case.

These verdicts are perfect examples of the lack of justice for people of color in this country.

If you were surprised at the Rittenhouse verdict you're not paying attention. He's white and went hunting Black people to kill.
The convicts in the Arbery case were white and went looking for a Black person to kill.
Both murderers were shown deference by LE and the courts.
IDENTICAL Defenses.
The difference?
Arbery's murder was on film, Rittenhouse's murders were not.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

An active shooter is someone who goes out with a gun in public and shoots multiple people.

Rittenhouse qualifies.

So if an active shooter shoots multiple people, why were they trying to subdue (beat the shit out of) him after shooting one person?

The video shows him walking past cops, who couldn't even be bothered to take him into custody.

With his hands in the air.

They'd have shot him where he stood if he was black.

Yeah, sure.

No point in becoming a cop if the institutions remain corrupt.

If they don’t trust the institution to uncorrupt itself, how do they expect it to happen?

Then you rebuild that trust.
Stop pulling people over for DWB's.

Stop driving around with busted taillights.

Hold rogue cops accountable and fire them.
I could go on with a list, but since you think the police's job is to keep a boot on the neck, it's kind of pointless.

Don’t be an idiot.

No one defends Smollet... the problem was the CPD's priorities. Do you think a regular citizen could make a report like that and have this kind of manpower devoted to it? And when it was found out to be an obvious hoax, the whole political establishment decided that we had to keep going after this guy for something that is barely a misdemeanor.

This is the sort of thing that gets innocent people unjustly accused and imprisoned. Smollet deserves everything he gets.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Was anyone REALLY surprised by the verdict?
and
Was anyone REALLY surprised by the verdict in the Arbery case.

These verdicts are perfect examples of the lack of justice for people of color in this country.

If you were surprised at the Rittenhouse verdict you're not paying attention. He's white and went hunting Black people to kill.
The convicts in the Arbery case were white and went looking for a Black person to kill.

Both murderers were shown deference by LE and the courts.
IDENTICAL Defenses.
The difference?
Arbery's murder was on film, Rittenhouse's murders were not.

You are a maroon. If Rittenhouse intended to kill black people, there were lent of them in the mob, including dropkick man. He only shot at people who actually attacked him. In the Aubry trial they shot a innocent man who made a dumb move by rushing a guy with a shotgun. Both juries came up with correct verdicts for the facts of the case. How in the hell can you say Rittenhouse’s shootings weren’t on video? Have you been a coma? They are not only on cell phone videos, but one from a FBI drone as well.