The Right To Destroy Jewish History

[Toddsterpatriot]

The Jewish minority was very small.

Demographic history of Palestine (region) - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Not anymore.

 

[Sixties Fan]

The Jewish minority was very small.

Demographic history of Palestine (region) - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

No matter what the number, the Jewish people are on their own ancestral homeland and have every right to sovereignty over any, if not all of it. As all other Indigenous people around the world.

Learn to give a darn about the Jewish right to self determination ON their Ancient Homeland. The right they have like any other Indigenous Peoples around the world.

It is better than going somewhere else, taking over someone else's homeland and then calling it one's own ancient one, when it is not, nor has it ever been. Don't you agree?
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"The origin of being Indigenous is location and ties to the land," said Randall Akee, an associate professor of public policy and American Indian Studies at the University of California, Los Angeles.

So, the demand is simple: Give us the land back.

Their claims are rooted in the US government's dark history of removing indigenous people from their lands, whether through forced seizure or through treaties that promised them other lands or services.

(full article online)

Indigenous people across the US want their land back -- and the movement is gaining momentum

Ultimately, it's about getting Indigenous lands back in Indigenous hands.

www.cnn.com

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https://scholarlycommons.law.case.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=1631&context=jil

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New threats of globalization............................................................................................................................................. 16
Agriculture and food security...................................................................................................................................... 19Impoverishment of indigenous peoples .......................................................................................................................... 21 Living conditions of indigenous peoples in Australia, Canada New Zealand and the United States ............ 22 Poverty and land rights in Latin America................................................................................................................... 27 India: Poverty among the Scheduled Tribes ............................................................................................................. 29 On the status of and trends in the practice of traditional occupations ............................................................... 29 Arctic region, including Russia and Northern Europe............................................................................................. 32 Forest Peoples of Africa ............................................................................................................................................... 34 East and South East Asia: Rice culture in Ifugao, Philippines .............................................................................. 36 Pacific: Traditional fishing in Vanuatu.

(full article online)

https://www.un.org/esa/socdev/unpfii/documents/SOWIP/en/SOWIP_web.pdf

 

[surada]

No matter what the number, the Jewish people are on their own ancestral homeland and have every right to sovereignty over any, if not all of it. As all other Indigenous people around the world.

Learn to give a darn about the Jewish right to self determination ON their Ancient Homeland. The right they have like any other Indigenous Peoples around the world.

It is better than going somewhere else, taking over someone else's homeland and then calling it one's own ancient one, when it is not, nor has it ever been. Don't you agree?
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"The origin of being Indigenous is location and ties to the land," said Randall Akee, an associate professor of public policy and American Indian Studies at the University of California, Los Angeles.

So, the demand is simple: Give us the land back.

Their claims are rooted in the US government's dark history of removing indigenous people from their lands, whether through forced seizure or through treaties that promised them other lands or services.

(full article online)

Indigenous people across the US want their land back -- and the movement is gaining momentum

Ultimately, it's about getting Indigenous lands back in Indigenous hands.

www.cnn.com

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https://scholarlycommons.law.case.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=1631&context=jil

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New threats of globalization............................................................................................................................................. 16
Agriculture and food security...................................................................................................................................... 19Impoverishment of indigenous peoples .......................................................................................................................... 21 Living conditions of indigenous peoples in Australia, Canada New Zealand and the United States ............ 22 Poverty and land rights in Latin America................................................................................................................... 27 India: Poverty among the Scheduled Tribes ............................................................................................................. 29 On the status of and trends in the practice of traditional occupations ............................................................... 29 Arctic region, including Russia and Northern Europe............................................................................................. 32 Forest Peoples of Africa ............................................................................................................................................... 34 East and South East Asia: Rice culture in Ifugao, Philippines .............................................................................. 36 Pacific: Traditional fishing in Vanuatu.

(full article online)

https://www.un.org/esa/socdev/unpfii/documents/SOWIP/en/SOWIP_web.pdf

What we did to native Americans is shameful. That's why the international community doesn't allow that anymore. You can't colonize occupied territory. That's why we chased Saddam Hussein out of Kuwait.

Arabs have been there since the Akkadian empire.

 

[watchingfromafar]

Liar

Liar, liar, pants on fire
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[Sixties Fan]

What we did to native Americans is shameful. That's why the international community doesn't allow that anymore. You can't colonize occupied territory. That's why we chased Saddam Hussein out of Kuwait.

Arabs have been there since the Akkadian empire.

And Jews have been there since before the Akkadians, who were not Arabs.

Stop making a fool of yourself.

Start putting a stop to the vile education which is given to the population in Gaza and the PA which leads to too many of that population turning into murderers. It does not happen anywhere else on the planet.

Even Saudi Arabia is removing the vile lies about Jews from their book, and media.

When are you going to put any of your energy towards putting an end to teaching anyone to kill another people because they are not of the same religion as theirs?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What we did to native Americans is shameful. That's why the international community doesn't allow that anymore. You can't colonize occupied territory. That's why we chased Saddam Hussein out of Kuwait.

Arabs have been there since the Akkadian empire.

How long have muslims been there?

 

[Sixties Fan]

This is the transcript of an address he made at the House of Lords on March 28, 1994:

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Mayhew, says that the views of the noble Lord, Lord Haskel [that Israeli settlements do not violate Article 49 of the Geneva Conventions], are not widely shared. Listening to the noble Lord, Lord Mayhew, it is clear that his views are widely shared by those who have an aversion to the state of Israel. For many years he has demonstrated his views on that matter. I applaud what was said by the noble Lord, Lord Haskel. I thought his contribution important.

However, I am somewhat anxious about the way in which the debate is going. I understand that the Question before the House is: "whether the Jewish settlements in the Occupied Territories violate Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention". In anticipation of my noble friend Lord Gilmour giving the reasons why he was asking the Question, I obtained a copy of the Convention for the Protection of War Victims. I assume that my noble friend is referring to the last paragraph of Article 49. It states: The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies". That is the end of the article. It begins by dealing with individual or mass forcible transfers as well as the deportation of protected persons from occupied territories. It was put into the convention at the end of the war as a result of the dreadful activities of the Nazi administration, in particular the mass transfer of population in order to get rid of people regarded as being unacceptable; in name, the Jews. They were taken to be liquidated from one country to another and were moved from one place to another. That is why we have Article 49 in the convention.

I remind the House of Article 2. It states that, "the present convention shall apply to … armed conflict which may arise between two or more of the High Contracting Parties". The convention applies, to all cases of partial or total occupation of the territory of a High Contracting Party. I therefore ask the House to consider this question: which is the high contracting party whose territory is occupied? In other words, which state has sovereign title to the West Bank?

In 1967 Jordan was in occupation. It is generally accepted that after its annexation of the territories, Jordan had no sovereignty in international law. Its presence in Judaea and Samaria was only given de jure recognition by two countries out of the whole international community. Therefore, if one is dealing with points of law, as my noble friend's Question seeks, it seems clear that the West Bank, at present occupied by Israel, does not belong to any other state, and the convention therefore does not apply. The answer to the first and dominant part of my noble friend's Question is therefore no.

I shall raise another matter if I have time. The last legal sovereignty over the territories was that of the League of Nations mandate of 1922. It can be argued that its provisions still hold legal weight. The mandate stipulated that the area was to be part of the Jewish homeland, and that Jewish settlement there was to be encouraged.

I have referred the House to those two matters, namely, the effect of Article 2 and the mandate, to indicate how ridiculous it is even to contemplate that major national and ethnic issues can ever be solved by raising legal points.

That last paragraph seems to me that he is not so much saying that he is making a legal argument as saying that legal arguments are irrelevant since anyone can interpret them as they wish, and the only solution is political.

(full article online)

Defending Israel's claim to Judea and Samaria in the House of Lords, 1994

Blogging about Israel and the Arab world since, oh, forever.

elderofziyon.blogspot.com

 

[surada]

How long have muslims been there?

I don't remember the date for the treaty of Omar. But Abraham had seven sons by Hagar the Egyptian and Keturah the Arab long before Islam.

 

[Sixties Fan]

I don't remember the date for the treaty of Omar. But Abraham had seven sons by Hagar the Egyptian and Keturah the Arab long before Islam.

STOP !!!! Lying about Jewish history is not allowed.

You are on your way to protest the vile curriculum Palestinians are subjected to in their textbooks and media, right?

 

[surada]

And Jews have been there since before the Akkadians, who were not Arabs.

Stop making a fool of yourself.

Start putting a stop to the vile education which is given to the population in Gaza and the PA which leads to too many of that population turning into murderers. It does not happen anywhere else on the planet.

Even Saudi Arabia is removing the vile lies about Jews from their book, and media.

When are you going to put any of your energy towards putting an end to teaching anyone to kill another people because they are not of the same religion as theirs?

The Akkadians were Arabs from the Arabian peninsula. Lol. The Saudis don't have vile lies in their books. You sure think you're the center of the universe.

 

[Sixties Fan]

I created these in April but cannot find that I posted them, so here is a series of graphics showing that Zionism is an integral part of Judaism.

Jews have always been Zionist (posters)

Blogging about Israel and the Arab world since, oh, forever.

elderofziyon.blogspot.com

 

[Sixties Fan]

The Akkadians were Arabs from the Arabian peninsula. Lol. The Saudis don't have vile lies in their books. You sure think you're the center of the universe.

According to fools like yourself, YES.....We are the center of the Universe!!!!!!

But only to fools like yourself.

When was the last time you checked a Saudi textbook?
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According to the institute, Qur’an verses describing Jews being turned into monkeys were removed, as was the antisemitic myth that one of the goals of Zionism is a “global Jewish government.”

Saudi students are falsely taught that “Zionists” deliberately tried to burn down Al-Aqsa Mosque in 1969, a lie that was removed from Qatar's curriculum. A Qur'an verse comparing Jews to "book-carrying donkeys" also remains, while students are taught that women are to blame for male sexual harassment.

(full article online)

Antisemitism largely eliminated from textbooks in Saudi Arabia - report

Saudi Arabia has seen a trend of improvement in removing antisemitism from its curriculum in recent years.

www.jpost.com

 

[Thunderbird]

I was not going to start a new thread on the forums, but this one seems to be a must.

I know that there are many well meaning people on these threads who want to see an end to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, like Coyote and many others. And then, there are those who are very ill meaning and do nothing but bash Israel and Jews over everything.

I believe that any and all, need to be reminded that this is Jewish land. It has been Jewish land for over 3000 years, and never contested by any one of its invaders and conquerors until the "dreadful day" when the Jews assumed that they could legally regain sovereignty over it and the Balfour Declaration happened and the Mandate for Palestine was to give the Jews their ancient homeland back.

We all know what has happened since 1920.

But what many do not know and do not seem to be aware of is what the people who have been calling themselves Palestinians since 1964 have been doing to ancient places they should have been claiming as their own, for after all, do they not say that they have been on the land as the Ancient Palestinians for the past 5000, no - 6000, no - 10000 years?

Aren't these ancient places and artifacts in Jerusalem and in Judea and Samaria part of the Palestinian History? Then why are they destroying any and all of it?

This is what has been going on for decades. Why are the "Palestinians" destroying their alleged history?

Palestinians destroying ancient Herodian and Hashmonean antiquities - literally bulldozing Jewish history ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

We've discussed the The Temple Mount Sifting Project before:
The Temple Mount Sifting Project (formerly known as the Temple Mount Salvage Operation) is an Israeli archaeological project begun in 2005 dedicated to recovering archaeological artifacts from 400 truckloads of topsoil removed from the Temple Mount by the Waqf during the construction of the underground el-Marwani Mosque from 1996 to 1999.[1] The project is under the academic auspices of Bar Ilan University and until 2017 was funded by the Ir David Foundation and Israel Exploration Society.The destruction of so many tons of property from the Temple Mount was the biggest archaeological crime in history.

The project webpage is now warning of other large-scale destruction of Jewish history by Palestinians, ISIS-style.
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In full view of people passing on the highway 90, Palestinians are using bulldozers and other heavy equipment to destroy Second Temple-era Jewish settlements in order to build a new village.

This is all happening in Area B, under Palestinian administrative control.

Moreover, it looks like Palestinian antiquities thieves are working in the area at night to steal whatever ancient artifacts they can find to sell on the market.

The article notes that similar destruction has recently begun in the area of the Hasmonean palaces in Jericho.
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Give Area C and the former Jewish Quarter and the Temple Mount to the invading Arabs who are now calling themselves the ancient inhabitants of the land, who should be protecting their ancient history and making tourism out of it?

Which one of you would dare do so?

Does the UN have any say on the Arabs destroying other people's ancient places?
Where has UNESCO been all of this time? What is their position about the endless destruction of Jewish History? Have they not complained about ISIS destroying antiquity?

Oh, wait......they have been giving Palestinian Status to Jewish places like the Cave of the Patriarchs and Rachel's Tomb, and many other places.

I guess if the UN is in on it, then there is no hope for the Jewish people to ever get their ancient lands back, much less be allowed to freely visit those places, which is true when it comes to the Cave and the Tombs, etc, where Jews can only visit if they have a military escort.

Questions:

How can peace be achieved with the PA, the alleged partner for Peace, when it is the PA itself which allows such destruction to happen?

How can peace be achieved when destroying Israel is still in the Hamas and PLO, and Fatah charters and is taught on a daily basis to all Arabs who live in Gaza and areas A and B, and C and even in Israel?

What in the world is going to be done about the endless destruction and the want to destroy all which is Jewish on the Land of Israel, which does include all of Judea and Samaria which is the land of the Jewish People.
(I will not eve speculate what may already have been done to Jewish history in Jordan and Gaza )

DO the Arabs have the right to destroy any and all Jewish History they find and never have to answer to the rest of the world, much less to the Jewish People?

Jewish land?

Then give it back to the Palestinians. The European colonists ethnically cleansed the descendants of the Hebrews and stole that land.

Israeli Historian: Palestinians Are Biological Descendants of Bible’s Jews

Two new articles deal with political/genetic controversies over the origins of “the Jewish people” (of whom I consider myself a part for one tribal reason or another). Here is Israeli historian…

mondoweiss.net

Surprise: Ashkenazi Jews Are Genetically European

Ashkenazi Jewish can largely trace their maternal heritage to Europe, new research finds. That contradicts earlier studies suggesting that most Ashkenazi heritage traces to the Near East.

www.livescience.com

An Interview with Benny Morris

Survival of the Fittest?

www.counterpunch.org

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I don't remember the date for the treaty of Omar. But Abraham had seven sons by Hagar the Egyptian and Keturah the Arab long before Islam.

Hagar wasn't muslim.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Jewish land?

Then give it back to the Palestinians. The European colonists ethnically cleansed the descendants of the Hebrews and stole that land.

Israeli Historian: Palestinians Are Biological Descendants of Bible’s Jews

Two new articles deal with political/genetic controversies over the origins of “the Jewish people” (of whom I consider myself a part for one tribal reason or another). Here is Israeli historian…

mondoweiss.net

Surprise: Ashkenazi Jews Are Genetically European

Ashkenazi Jewish can largely trace their maternal heritage to Europe, new research finds. That contradicts earlier studies suggesting that most Ashkenazi heritage traces to the Near East.

www.livescience.com

An Interview with Benny Morris

Survival of the Fittest?

www.counterpunch.org

You destroyed Jewish History in one post. Fascinating.

You give back the land of the Indigenous people on whose land you live on first. Then the Jews will think about becoming suicidal and "giving" the land back to the colonizing Arabs who call themselves Palestinians.

 

[Sixties Fan]

 

[Sixties Fan]

For those of you who have been following me (@israel_shield) on Twitter, you know that I spend a good part of my time battling and destroying anti-Israel propaganda and lies and this Palestine issue is at the top of my list. I know an area called Palestine existed; the Romans coined that name when they occupied Israel from the Jews long before Islam ever existed.

NEVER WAS PALESTINE AN ARAB COUNTRY AND NEVER WAS IT OCCUPIED FROM PALESTINIAN ARABS

Modern day Palestine was a geographical area that included what is today Jordan and was governed by the British Mandate. Palestine was NEVER an Arab State, country or national home for a people who call themselves Palestinians. A Palestinian nation is a farce, a bluff and a blatant lie. There was no such thing as a Palestinian nation and all the Arabs who call themselves Palestinians are actually Arabs from surrounding countries. This is not just my opinion, this is what their own leaders say loud and clear!



Read Also – The REAL History Of Palestine ISRAEL

5 Palestinian Artifacts That Prove Palestine Never Existed

1. The Palestine Pound and Currency The Palestine Pound was the currency used by the British Mandate from 1927 – 1948. Arabs and especially Palestinians have absolutely nothing to do with this bill. Take a closer look at that bill.

1. The Palestine Currency Board was not Arab. In August 1948, new banknotes were issued by the Anglo Palestine Company which was owned by the Jewish Agency.

2. See the Hebrew writing there? E.Y. stands for Eretz Yisrael which in plain English means Land Of Israel!

3. Once again Hebrew writing on this bill proves this was NOT an Arab printed bill. Till today, Israeli currency has on it Hebrew, Arabic and English writing. These Palestinian BRITISH coins are sometimes used as well to try to prove the Palestine lie to be true. Once again, the coin was not minted by Arabs and what is written on the coin proves just how far Palestine was from being an Arab country.

(full article online)

https://www.jewishpress.com/blogs/israel-shield/5-palestinian-artifacts-from-before-israel-that-prove-palestine-never-existed/2014/09/30/

 

[Mindful]

In his address, the president emphasised the importance of remembering the Jewish lives lost during the Holocaust, before confusing the words “honour” and “horror”.

Biden makes ‘absolute clanger’ in Holocaust speech

The United States is led by a president in obvious decline as Joe Biden made an "absolute clanger" in Israel during a speech on the Holocaust, Sky News host Andrew Bolt says. Mr Biden spoke at an arrival ceremony in Tel Aviv on his first trip to the Middle East since taking office. In his...

www.skynews.com.au

 

[Sixties Fan]

In his address, the president emphasised the importance of remembering the Jewish lives lost during the Holocaust, before confusing the words “honour” and “horror”.

Biden makes ‘absolute clanger’ in Holocaust speech

The United States is led by a president in obvious decline as Joe Biden made an "absolute clanger" in Israel during a speech on the Holocaust, Sky News host Andrew Bolt says. Mr Biden spoke at an arrival ceremony in Tel Aviv on his first trip to the Middle East since taking office. In his...

www.skynews.com.au

He misread and quickly corrected it. Not a decline issue. Not the thread for this article, either. It belongs in "All News" or a new thread, which already got started in this forum. Please post in correct thread.

No Jewish History is being destroyed with what happened in this article.

 

[surada]

Jewish land?

Then give it back to the Palestinians. The European colonists ethnically cleansed the descendants of the Hebrews and stole that land.

Israeli Historian: Palestinians Are Biological Descendants of Bible’s Jews

Two new articles deal with political/genetic controversies over the origins of “the Jewish people” (of whom I consider myself a part for one tribal reason or another). Here is Israeli historian…

mondoweiss.net

Surprise: Ashkenazi Jews Are Genetically European

Ashkenazi Jewish can largely trace their maternal heritage to Europe, new research finds. That contradicts earlier studies suggesting that most Ashkenazi heritage traces to the Near East.

www.livescience.com

An Interview with Benny Morris

Survival of the Fittest?

www.counterpunch.org

Benny Morris .. I read his first book. The Jews didn't go back and punish the Germans. They just abused the Palestinians.