The Right To Destroy Jewish History

[Billo_Really]

I was not going to start a new thread on the forums, but this one seems to be a must.

I know that there are many well meaning people on these threads who want to see an end to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, like Coyote and many others. And then, there are those who are very ill meaning and do nothing but bash Israel and Jews over everything.

I believe that any and all, need to be reminded that this is Jewish land. It has been Jewish land for over 3000 years, and never contested by any one of its invaders and conquerors until the "dreadful day" when the Jews assumed that they could legally regain sovereignty over it and the Balfour Declaration happened and the Mandate for Palestine was to give the Jews their ancient homeland back.

We all know what has happened since 1920.

But what many do not know and do not seem to be aware of is what the people who have been calling themselves Palestinians since 1964 have been doing to ancient places they should have been claiming as their own, for after all, do they not say that they have been on the land as the Ancient Palestinians for the past 5000, no - 6000, no - 10000 years?

Aren't these ancient places and artifacts in Jerusalem and in Judea and Samaria part of the Palestinian History? Then why are they destroying any and all of it?

This is what has been going on for decades. Why are the "Palestinians" destroying their alleged history?

Palestinians destroying ancient Herodian and Hashmonean antiquities - literally bulldozing Jewish history ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

We've discussed the The Temple Mount Sifting Project before:
The Temple Mount Sifting Project (formerly known as the Temple Mount Salvage Operation) is an Israeli archaeological project begun in 2005 dedicated to recovering archaeological artifacts from 400 truckloads of topsoil removed from the Temple Mount by the Waqf during the construction of the underground el-Marwani Mosque from 1996 to 1999.[1] The project is under the academic auspices of Bar Ilan University and until 2017 was funded by the Ir David Foundation and Israel Exploration Society.The destruction of so many tons of property from the Temple Mount was the biggest archaeological crime in history.

The project webpage is now warning of other large-scale destruction of Jewish history by Palestinians, ISIS-style.
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In full view of people passing on the highway 90, Palestinians are using bulldozers and other heavy equipment to destroy Second Temple-era Jewish settlements in order to build a new village.

This is all happening in Area B, under Palestinian administrative control.

Moreover, it looks like Palestinian antiquities thieves are working in the area at night to steal whatever ancient artifacts they can find to sell on the market.

The article notes that similar destruction has recently begun in the area of the Hasmonean palaces in Jericho.
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Give Area C and the former Jewish Quarter and the Temple Mount to the invading Arabs who are now calling themselves the ancient inhabitants of the land, who should be protecting their ancient history and making tourism out of it?

Which one of you would dare do so?

Does the UN have any say on the Arabs destroying other people's ancient places?
Where has UNESCO been all of this time? What is their position about the endless destruction of Jewish History? Have they not complained about ISIS destroying antiquity?

Oh, wait......they have been giving Palestinian Status to Jewish places like the Cave of the Patriarchs and Rachel's Tomb, and many other places.

I guess if the UN is in on it, then there is no hope for the Jewish people to ever get their ancient lands back, much less be allowed to freely visit those places, which is true when it comes to the Cave and the Tombs, etc, where Jews can only visit if they have a military escort.

Questions:

How can peace be achieved with the PA, the alleged partner for Peace, when it is the PA itself which allows such destruction to happen?

How can peace be achieved when destroying Israel is still in the Hamas and PLO, and Fatah charters and is taught on a daily basis to all Arabs who live in Gaza and areas A and B, and C and even in Israel?

What in the world is going to be done about the endless destruction and the want to destroy all which is Jewish on the Land of Israel, which does include all of Judea and Samaria which is the land of the Jewish People.
(I will not eve speculate what may already have been done to Jewish history in Jordan and Gaza )

DO the Arabs have the right to destroy any and all Jewish History they find and never have to answer to the rest of the world, much less to the Jewish People?

The Balfour Declaration gave Jews some of the land back with the following caviat, that they may have the land provided they did not compromise the inalienable rights of the existing non-Jewish population. Jewish terrorist groups like Irgun, were in breach of said Declaration.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Benny Morris .. I read his first book. The Jews didn't go back and punish the Germans. They just abused the Palestinians.

Will you please stop abusing History and the Jews with it !!!!

 

[surada]

Will you please stop abusing History and the Jews with it !!!!

You made your own history in Palestine.

 

[Sixties Fan]

You made your own history in Palestine.

Yes, for over 3000 years, as history has shown it.
It is the Jewish Homeland, oh fabler of Palestinian history.

 

[surada]

Yes, for over 3000 years, as history has shown it.
It is the Jewish Homeland, oh fabler of Palestinian history.

By the birth of Christ more Jews lived outside Palestine. Large Jewish communities in Alexandria, Damascus, Aleppo, Baghdad, Elephantine island, Persia and Rome... And all around the Mediterranean sea.

 

[Sixties Fan]

By the birth of Christ more Jews lived outside Palestine. Large Jewish communities in Alexandria, Damascus, Aleppo, Baghdad, Elephantine island, Persia and Rome... And all around the Mediterranean sea.

STOOOOOOP with your phony giving the land to a people who are not indigenous of the place.

Arabs migrated all over the world.
The English migrated all over the world.
The Spanish migrated all over the world.
The Greek migrated all over the world.


It does not give ONE of these people the right to call themselves INDIGENOUS to anywhere else but the place they originated from.

Jews originated from Ancient Canaan. It will always be their Homeland, you like it or not.
They created a Nation called Israel, which is reported and written about by EVERY people who invaded the area. And that includes the Muslim Arabs who invaded in the 7th century CE.


Your endless attempts to diminish and actually make the Jews POOF !, disappear from existence or to make their rights to their ancient homeland less important or non existent is an assault on EVERY Indigenous people on the planet who continue to have their homeland stolen by people who are about taking away their rights to their sovereignty and their lands, and their right to live on it.


NO MATTER what the number of Jews on the land since the destruction of the second temple, the land continue to belong to the JEWS.

Just ask the QURAN. It is written there. The land belongs to the Children of Israel .


Take a really WILD guess as to what people/nation the Quran was talking about.

 

[surada]

STOOOOOOP with your phony giving the land to a people who are not indigenous of the place.

Arabs migrated all over the world.
The English migrated all over the world.
The Spanish migrated all over the world.
The Greek migrated all over the world.


It does not give ONE of these people the right to call themselves INDIGENOUS to anywhere else but the place they originated from.

Jews originated from Ancient Canaan. It will always be their Homeland, you like it or not.
They created a Nation called Israel, which is reported and written about by EVERY people who invaded the area. And that includes the Muslim Arabs who invaded in the 7th century CE.


Your endless attempts to diminish and actually make the Jews POOF !, disappear from existence or to make their rights to their ancient homeland less important or non existent is an assault on EVERY Indigenous people on the planet who continue to have their homeland stolen by people who are about taking away their rights to their sovereignty and their lands, and their right to live on it.


NO MATTER what the number of Jews on the land since the destruction of the second temple, the land continue to belong to the JEWS.

Just ask the QURAN. It is written there. The land belongs to the Children of Israel .


Take a really WILD guess as to what people/nation the Quran was talking about.

Why did they stay away for 2000 years?

 

[Sixties Fan]

Why did they stay away for 2000 years?

You really do not see how sick you are. How, is it as someone with a Christian background, insists that Jews do not have the right to their ancient homeland.

One catch phrase after another, one nonsense after another.

Anything but respect for Jews and Judaism, and the RIGHT the Jews have like any other indigenous people to have sovereignty over their ancient homeland.

What Christian background makes you insist that Jews have no rights to their ancient homeland?

 

[Sixties Fan]

Part 1

Delegitimization​

1. Israel’s Jewish citizens are considered foreign colonialists: “We will think and discuss: I will compare the tragedy of the Indians, America’s original inhabitants, to the tragedy of the Palestinian people.” (Social Studies, 2020, Grade 8, Part 2, p. 34)
2. The country’s Jewish history is denied, including the existence of archaeological items proving that “the conqueror has built for himself an artificial entity that derives its identity and the legitimacy of its existence from tales, legends and fantasies and has tried in various ways and means to create live material evidence for these legends, or archaeological architectural proofs that would determine their truth and authenticity, but in vain.” (Arabic Language, 2020, Grade 10, p. 68)
3. Existence of Jewish holy places in the country is denied, including the Western Wall. “The Al-Buraq Wall has been named after Al-Buraq [the divine beast] that carried the Messenger [of God, i.e., Muhammad] during the Nocturnal Journey [from Mecca to Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem, according to Islamic belief] and the Ascension [to Heaven]. The Al-Buraq Wall is part of the western wall of Al-Aqsa Mosque. Al-Aqsa Mosque, including the wall, is Palestinian land and an exclusive right of the Muslims.” (Islamic Education, 2020, Grade 5, Part 1, p. 63)
4. Having been considered foreign settlers, Jews in the country are not counted as legitimate inhabitants, and the cities they built, including Tel Aviv, are absent from maps in the textbooks used in PA schools. One PA school map, titled “Map of Palestine,” does not show any Jewish city, except Eilat, which appears under its Arabic name, “Umm al-Rashrash.” (Social Studies, 2020, Grade 6, Part 1, p. 6)
5. Jews’ historical and religious ties to Jerusalem are ignored. According to PA textbooks, Jerusalem was built by the Palestinians’ Arab ancestors (i.e., the “Arabized” Canaanites and Jebusites): “Jerusalem is an Arab city built by our Arab ancestors thousands of years ago. Jerusalem is holy only to Muslims and Christians.” (National and Social Upbringing, 2020, Grade 3, Part 1, p. 29)
6. A short historical description of the city’s names features a huge gap of 1,000 years between the Jebusites and the Romans, that is, the Jewish historical period. The name “Jerusalem,” with its various forms used in hundreds of languages around the world, is completely absent: “The city of Jerusalem was known as ‘Jebus’ after the Arab Jebusites who built it 5,000 years ago. When the Romans occupied it they named it ‘Aelia.’ Later on it came to be known as ‘Al-Quds’ or ‘Bayt al-Maqdis’, after the Muslims had conquered it at the hands of Caliph Umar ibn al-Khattab in 637 CE.” (Geography and Modern and Contemporary History of Palestine, 2020, Grade 10, Part 1, p. 43)

A look at what Palestinian Authority schools teach about Jews, Israel

The three fundamentals are delegitimizing Israel's existence and the presence of Jews, demonizing Israel and Jews, and inciting against Israel and Jews.

www.jpost.com

 

[Sixties Fan]

Part 2

Demonization​

1. Jews, sometimes referred to as “Zionists,” are accused of harboring genocidal intentions toward the Palestinians: “The Zionists have established their entity upon terror, extermination and colonialism. We will explain that.” (Arab Language – Academic Path, 2020, Grade 10, Part 2, p. 28)
2. Jews are demonized as infidels and as the Devil’s aides, as shown in a verse taken from a poem: “Where are the horsemen [who will ride] to Al-Aqsa to liberate it from the grip of infidelity, from the Devil’s aides?” (Arabic Language, 2020, Grade 7, Part 1, p. 67)
3. The Jews are also demonized outside the context of the war, as enemies of Prophet Muhammad and Islam in its early years. They are given negative traits such as treachery and hostility, which makes them eternal enemies of Muslims today: “But the Jews [in Medina] did not respect the treaty [they had made with Muhammad] and resorted to all types of treachery, betrayal and aggression which forced the Muslims to fight them.” (Islamic Education, 2020, Grade 7, Part 1, p. 52)

“Our Palestinian history is replete with many names of martyrs who sacrificed their souls for the homeland, among whom is the martyr Dalal al-Mughrabi, who painted with her struggle a picture of challenge and bravery that has made her memory eternal within our hearts and minds. The text before us shows her struggle and journey.”
Arabic Language, 2020, Grade 5, Part 2, p. 51

A look at what Palestinian Authority schools teach about Jews, Israel

The three fundamentals are delegitimizing Israel's existence and the presence of Jews, demonizing Israel and Jews, and inciting against Israel and Jews.

www.jpost.com

 

[Billo_Really]

Sixties Fan, I am sure you are a good person, however, your claim that this is a Jewish-only area, is non-sense. Palestian-Jews and Palestinan-Arabs have inhabited that land since the Isrealites. And at best, Jews owned 30% of that land!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Sixties Fan, I am sure you are a good person, however, your claim that this is a Jewish-only area, is non-sense. Palestian-Jews and Palestinan-Arabs have inhabited that land since the Isrealites. And at best, Jews owned 30% of that land!

And at best, Jews owned 30% of that land!

That's a lot more than the Arabs owned.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Sixties Fan, I am sure you are a good person, however, your claim that this is a Jewish-only area, is non-sense. Palestian-Jews and Palestinan-Arabs have inhabited that land since the Isrealites. And at best, Jews owned 30% of that land!

Billo, It was never Palestine when the Israelites had their Monarchy there, 3000 years ago. It was Israel. And then, Judea. And there were definitely no big number of Arabs, much less Arab nations who called themselves Palestinians.

You are claiming that it is a Jewish only area. The reality is that IT IS the Ancient homeland of the Jews, and NOT of the Arabs, Palestinians or by any other name.

The Greek, Assyrians, Babylonians, Romans, Byzantine, Muslims, Crusaders, Ottoman, British, they all attest to the fact that it was the Ancient homeland of the Jewish People/Nation and that the Jews would have every right to regain sovereignty over that land if they could.

Just like any other indigenous people of any other place on the planet.

 

[surada]

You really do not see how sick you are. How, is it as someone with a Christian background, insists that Jews do not have the right to their ancient homeland.

One catch phrase after another, one nonsense after another.

Anything but respect for Jews and Judaism, and the RIGHT the Jews have like any other indigenous people to have sovereignty over their ancient homeland.

What Christian background makes you insist that Jews have no rights to their ancient homeland?

Jewish nationalism is real.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Jewish nationalism is real.

Jewish rights to their ancient homeland is real.

 

[Sixties Fan]

We are pleased to report that CTV News Ottawa has amended its online article about an incident that took place at St. Francis Xavier High School in Gloucester, a suburb of Ottawa, where students walked out of class in support of the Palestinian people.

As we noted in our original alert on May 20, the broadcaster allowed itself to be a platform for the dissemination of extreme anti-Israel disinformation, with students accusing Israel of carrying out a “genocide” of Palestinians.

The amended article now includes an editor’s note and additional context of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, including that the Jewish people claim that the land of Israel is its ancestral homeland and an acknowledgment of Israel’s security concerns.

On July 7, BellMedia’s Director of News & Information Programming, Peter Angione, wrote the following to HonestReporting Canada (emphasis added):

“After reviewing this story again, we accept your point that taken in isolation, this story lacked some additional context on the Israel-Palestine conflict.

That said, in an effort to address your concern, we have updated an initial version of the story to include the following information:

Palestinians who live in Gaza and the West Bank say they are suffering because of Israeli actions. Israel argues it’s only acting to protect itself and its citizens from Palestinian violence. The United Nations considers Israeli’s control over the West Bank an occupation. Israel claims the land based on historical and religious rights as the ancestral land of the Jewish people.”

We thank CTV News for amending the story and for adding more context surrounding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict to better inform its readers.

SUCCESS: CTV Amends Article to Acknowledge Israel's Security Concerns and that Israel is Jewish People's Ancestral Homeland

We are pleased to report that CTV News Ottawa has amended its online article about an incident that took place

honestreporting.ca

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Jewish nationalism is real.

Yup.
Kicking pan-Arabists in the ass for more than 70 years now.

 

[surada]

Jewish rights to their ancient homeland is real.

Demographics of Historic Palestine prior to 1948

www.cjpme.org

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Demographics of Historic Palestine prior to 1948

www.cjpme.org

What are their demographics now?

 

[Sixties Fan]

Demographics of Historic Palestine prior to 1948

www.cjpme.org

Let us see you play the demographics game with all the other Indigenous people in the world.

Go ahead !!!!