The Right To Bear Arms

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By Peter Weber

That's the opinion of Rupert Murdoch's conservative New York Post. And it's not as far-fetched as it may seem.

Well, let's read the text of the Second Amendment, says Jeffrey Sachs at The Huffington Post:

A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.​

It's astonishingly clear that "the Second Amendment is a relic of the founding era more than two centuries ago," and "its purpose is long past."

As Justice John Paul Stevens argues persuasively, the amendment should not block the ability of society to keep itself safe through gun control legislation. That was never its intent. This amendment was about militias in the 1790s, and the fear of the anti-federalists of a federal army. Since that issue is long moot, we need not be governed in our national life by doctrines on now-extinct militias from the 18th century.​

"Fair-minded readers have to acknowledge that the text is ambiguous," says Cass Sunstein at Bloomberg View. Justice Antonin Scalia, who wrote the majority opinion in Heller, was laying out his interpretation of a "genuinely difficult" legal question, and "I am not saying that the court was wrong." More to the point: Right or wrong, obsolete or relevant, the Second Amendment essentially means what five justices on the Supreme Court say it means. So "we should respect the fact that the individual right to have guns has been established," but even the pro-gun interpretation laid out by Scalia explicitly allows for banning the kinds of weapons the shooter used to murder 20 first-graders. The real problem is in the political arena, where "opponents of gun control, armed with both organization and money, have been invoking the Second Amendment far more recklessly," using "wild and unsupportable claims about the meaning of the Constitution" to shut down debate on what sort of regulations might save lives.

More: Is the Second Amendment obsolete? - The Week

If it is, then we need to ratify an amendment to make that clear.

 

[Concerned American]

I am also a gun lover, but the 2nd Amendment will be changed. It's just a matter of time...

Only if you let it, just like the republic itself. The bad thing is, I am afraid Americans have become lazy and complacent and are no more than sheep to the slaughter at this point.

 

[Lastamender]

The so-called right to bear arms seems to be getting drastically out of hand - even among cops who can't tell the difference between tasers and pistols.

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Police Claim Officer Who Shot And Killed Man In Traffic Stop Likely Meant To Shock Him Instead

An officer killed Daunte Wright, 20, outside Minneapolis on Sunday. Police say she likely thought she was using a stun gun rather than a firearm.

www.huffpost.com

You are more than welcome to call BLM or Anti-Fa to protect you.

 

[Lesh]

And, Justice Burger was in error. The 2nd Amendment maintains that private citizens may possess and carry arms so that they may become part of a regulated militia to defend their states, unless of course, the state becomes the oppressive/tyrannical government that our founding fathers warned us about; then the armed citizens can form militias to combat their oppressive/tyrannical/Leninist/Marxist state.

The Constitution says no such thing. It DOES say that the Well Regulated Militia can put DOWN such insurrections and indeed the militia was called out to put down both Shay's Rebellion and the Whiskey

 

[Lesh]

Of course the militia no longer exists so the whole thing is stupid and pointless

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

The so-called right to bear arms seems to be getting drastically out of hand - even among cops who can't tell the difference between tasers and pistols.

View attachment 479324

Police Claim Officer Who Shot And Killed Man In Traffic Stop Likely Meant To Shock Him Instead

An officer killed Daunte Wright, 20, outside Minneapolis on Sunday. Police say she likely thought she was using a stun gun rather than a firearm.

www.huffpost.com

Aren't the anti-gunners always on about making guns safe? Sounds to me like they just need to make tasers feel very different from firearms.

The woman who shot the black kid was a veteran officer. Also, tasers are supposed to be carried on the opposite less-dominate side from the pistol. How could she not know the difference?

You had to insert “black” into it? He was a kid. She made a mistake. Do people who have driven cars for 30 yrs not get into accidents? It was a tragic mistake but it wasn’t racism as much as you want to spin that narrative.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Of course the militia no longer exists so the whole thing is stupid and pointless

That is neither for you nor me to decide and the horse has left the barn. Over 100mil guns out there.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Has human nature changed?

Have people stopped doing evil things and threatening innocent people?

Have politicians learned to respect the sovereignty of the people and stop trying to micromanage their existence?

If not, then of course it isn't obsolete. You'd have to be an idiot to think that or completely ignorant of the purpose of the Second amendment which is to protect our right to self defense and prevent tyranny and oppression.

When the people fear the government, we have tyranny. When the government fears it's people, then we have freedom.

Your NaziCon rant doesn't address the OP. Do you belong to a militia? Why isn't the 2nd Amendment obsolete?

The Second isn’t obsolete because the basic character of government hasn’t changed since Hammurabi wrote his law code. The natural desire of any government is to control and the people who are drawn to government think that they know far better than those they govern.

 

[9thIDdoc]

A criminal resisted arrest and got shot. What's the problem?

 

[gipper]

The so-called right to bear arms seems to be getting drastically out of hand - even among cops who can't tell the difference between tasers and pistols.

View attachment 479324

Police Claim Officer Who Shot And Killed Man In Traffic Stop Likely Meant To Shock Him Instead

An officer killed Daunte Wright, 20, outside Minneapolis on Sunday. Police say she likely thought she was using a stun gun rather than a firearm.

www.huffpost.com

Imagine the Native American tribes, like the plains Indians particularly the Sioux, not having access to firearms.

 

[asaratis]

The so-called right to bear arms seems to be getting drastically out of hand - even among cops who can't tell the difference between tasers and pistols.

View attachment 479324

Police Claim Officer Who Shot And Killed Man In Traffic Stop Likely Meant To Shock Him Instead

An officer killed Daunte Wright, 20, outside Minneapolis on Sunday. Police say she likely thought she was using a stun gun rather than a firearm.

www.huffpost.com

Aren't the anti-gunners always on about making guns safe? Sounds to me like they just need to make tasers feel very different from firearms.

The woman who shot the black kid was a veteran officer. Also, tasers are supposed to be carried on the opposite less-dominate side from the pistol. How could she not know the difference?

First sensible post I've seen from you in years!

 

[AZrailwhale]

fyi; the Second Amendment allows you to have the other amendments.

For those totally ignorant of history

The right to vote secured by a free and open press allows you to have the other amendments

At no point in our history has our freedom,deliniated by the second amendment, been assured by private gun ownership. A free press protects our freedom every day

A free press can inform the citizens, but is of no use to stop an oppressive government. What it CAN do, is call out the armed militia.

The Press is also free to support the oppression, kind of like MSNBC

An oppressive government is more afraid of your vote than your gun

What is the saying? “Who votes isn’t important, who counts the votes is important.“

 

[JusticeHammer]

One more example of consequences when you don't follow orders and resist. I like how the press told the police chief not to call the rioters rioters. They are RIOTERS!!!!

 

[Lakhota]

How could a 26-year police veteran not know the difference between a taser and a pistol?

She must face criminal charges!

"I’ll Tase you! I’ll Tase you! Taser! Taser! Taser!" the officer is heard shouting on her bodycam footage released at a news conference. She draws her weapon after the man breaks free from police outside his car and gets back behind the wheel.

After firing a single shot from her handgun, the car speeds away, and the officer is heard saying, "Holy (expletive)! I shot him."

The Hennepin County Medical Examiner's office said in a statement that Wright died of a gunshot wound to the chest "and manner of death is homicide."

State records cited by The Tribune indicate Potter became a licensed police officer in Minnesota in 1995 at the age of 22.

Who is Kimberly Potter, the cop involved in the Daunte Wright deadly shooting?

The Minnesota cop who investigators say fired the shot in the death of a 20-year-old Black man during a traffic stop Sunday afternoon has been identified.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Oddball]

How could a 26-year police veteran not know the difference between a taser and a pistol?

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Who is Kimberly Potter, the cop involved in the Daunte Wright deadly shooting?

The Minnesota cop who investigators say fired the shot in the death of a 20-year-old Black man during a traffic stop Sunday afternoon has been identified.

www.foxnews.com

How could an ignorant sub-moron like you ask such a question?...Have you even held a real pistol?

 

[Oddball]

I'll score the answer to the previous question a big NO.

 

[Rigby5]

And, Justice Burger was in error. The 2nd Amendment maintains that private citizens may possess and carry arms so that they may become part of a regulated militia to defend their states, unless of course, the state becomes the oppressive/tyrannical government that our founding fathers warned us about; then the armed citizens can form militias to combat their oppressive/tyrannical/Leninist/Marxist state.

The Constitution says no such thing. It DOES say that the Well Regulated Militia can put DOWN such insurrections and indeed the militia was called out to put down both Shay's Rebellion and the Whiskey

But the Declaration of Independence most certainly DOES say that governments that are corrupt should be put down.
And since it seems obvious that all government slowly become more corrupt over time, it is foolish to let them ever get a monopoly.

 

[Rigby5]

Of course the militia no longer exists so the whole thing is stupid and pointless

Wrong.
The National Guard did not change the original purpose of the militia, which is to defend our own individual homes.
The police or anyone else can never do that, and it is a protected individual right.

 

[AZrailwhale]

How could a 26-year police veteran not know the difference between a taser and a pistol?

View attachment 479345

Who is Kimberly Potter, the cop involved in the Daunte Wright deadly shooting?

The Minnesota cop who investigators say fired the shot in the death of a 20-year-old Black man during a traffic stop Sunday afternoon has been identified.

www.foxnews.com

How could an ignorant sub-moron like you ask such a question?...Have you even held a real pistol?

She made a mistake. Mistakes happen. Unfortunately for both the officer and victim, this was a lethal mistake. The officer committed manslaughter and should receive a fair trial and bear the responsibility for her mistake.

 

[Rigby5]

A criminal resisted arrest and got shot. What's the problem?

The problem is police do not have the authority to murder, so then if it was deliberate, we would have to insist upon the police officer being convicted for the criminal act.