Zone1 The Second Amendment for Thee, Not for Me — by Shari Dunn

[White 6]

It is interesting how awesome things tend to turn out when one is conscious of their surroundings and who they share them with.

Keeping both hands on the steering wheel while telling even a Texas State Trooper you have a loaded firearm in the vehicle, and asking him what he would like for you to do, will generally lead to him asking you to slowly get out of the vehicle while he retrieves it, unloads it, clears the breech, before putting the bullet back in the mag and asking you to open the trunk so he can put the mag in there, and then handing you the firearm back.

However, that isn't even necessary anymore since Texas now honors all CAC permits from other states.

Yep. Understandable. It would think it damned nice of him to retrieve my more expensive LE Personal Defense round from the ground, after ejecting it, lest it gets lost or stepped on. It definitely will not go back into the magazine, as when a weapon is loaded 15+1, the magazine is full. Not sure, the point of putting the magazine in trunk, though. The shoulder holster carries two spare 15 round Walther magazine, fully loaded at all times. Texas troopers are probably some fine people, on average.

 

[Stryder50]

You left out the part that the current leader of the repub party just said that only criminals carry guns in public.

He's a former Dem. and still retains some of that ignorance and bias.

 

[Stryder50]

The hypocrisy that comes out of any group of people who decide what they believe in, must be right, no matter what, is legendary.

Mirror gazing projection we see.

 

[Bitterhook]

Yep. Understandable. It would think it damned nice of him to retrieve my more expensive LE Personal Defense round from the ground, after ejecting it, lest it gets lost or stepped on.

The trooper I was dealing with had obviously done it more than once and caught the round before it made it past his waist and it would have ended up in the seat of the vehicle if he hadn't. Of course, I would have asked him to stop if he tried to put a round off the ground back in the mag and I should have known that might need clarification for folks not so familiar with firearms.

If I had another mag, he would have put that one in the trunk too, so there isn't a need to try and find anything wrong in the exchange we had.

Edit:
I am also not planning on an armed assault anytime soon and the only place I carry spare mags is the range. With 15 rounds, three center mass (considering they are not wearing body armor) being sufficient, and I am fairly sure I can put some safe distance between me and any active threat, because I usually hit what I am shooting at and have no desire to be a hero in a situation where law enforcement that may arrive might get the idea I am not a friendly, nor do I desire to endanger others shooting all over the place.

 

[MisterBeale]

You left out the part that the current leader of the repub party just said that only criminals carry guns in public.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Far more people shooting themselves in the leg or foot, than the brachial artery.

It’s because no one teaches or uses shoulder holsters as concealed platforms.

Far more use waist and pocket carry.

 

[Stryder50]

I have one, and like you, it was a Rh holster carried on the left, as cross draw. Have not worn it in years. Never like or owned any IWB holsters, side, pelvis or especially back.

IWB is my preferred, because I carry a compact, Kahr K9. Slim, single stack, with extended mag, 7 plus one chambered. On my right hip, tucked slightly behind and on the cheek. It's comfortable for me and drawing is similar to going for a wallet in back pocket. I usually carry at least one spare mag in a pocket.

I also usually carry a pepper spray so I have an option depending upon the threat.

I do have a shoulder rig for my Taurus .357 revolver. With a 6 1/4" barrel it's either that of side of leg holster. Includes a pouch for two speed loaders.

Thing about shoulder holster is that I hesitate to display, and often don't wear a jacket or larger shirt to cover a shoulder rig.

If I'm carrying something larger, full frame like a Glock then I prefer on the hip. But with some outer wear to go over.
I'd rather not display and open carry in most cases, just makes you the likely first target if things happen.

 

[Stryder50]

1857?

Yeah.
Some people fail to grasp things have changed in the past @ 170 years.

 

[MisterBeale]

Yeah.
Some people fail to grasp things have changed in the past @ 170 years.

IMO, they know, they just don't care.

 

[White 6]

The trooper I was dealing with had obviously done it more than once and caught the round before it made it past his waist and it would have ended up in the seat of the vehicle if he hadn't. Of course, I would have asked him to stop if he tried to put a round off the ground back in the mag and I should have known that might need clarification for folks not so familiar with firearms.

If I had another mag, he would have put that one in the trunk too, so there isn't a need to try and find anything wrong in the exchange we had.

Edit:
I am also not planning on an armed assault anytime soon and the only place I carry spare mags is the range. With 15 rounds, three center mass (considering they are not wearing body armor) being sufficient, and I am fairly sure I can put some safe distance between me and any active threat, because I usually hit what I am shooting at and have no desire to be a hero in a situation where law enforcement that may arrive might get the idea I am not a friendly, nor do I desire to endanger others shooting all over the place.

The reason I carry two, is actually the balance on the shoulder rig, I wear. I also, not planning an armed assault, anytime soon or any time in the future. If I were ever in a gun fight requiring more than 15+1, I would be trying like crazy to get me and mine the fk outta there. I am a pretty decent shot, practiced at multiple ranged distances to 50 meter. Last year (last time at outdoor range) I could still put 13 of 15 on paper at 50 meter, and at that distance, simply on 8 1/2x11 is good enough for me, though admittedly, all over the damn paper.

 

[Bitterhook]

If I'm carrying something larger, full frame like a Glock then I prefer on the hip. But with some outer wear to go over.
I'd rather not display and open carry in most cases, just makes you the likely first target if things happen.

I have other firearms more compact, but I usually carry a Ruger P-95, because it is a steady, double action platform, and I can beat someone to death with it if I run out of ammo.

I also open carry as much as conceal carry (which isn't very concealed), because I don't tend to visit places where gunfights are likely to occur. I mean you never know, but you can damn sure avoid greater possibilities. Living out in the "sticks" where damn near everyone is armed kind of helps too.

Being nice can also defuse situations where people might make the mistake of thinking you are unreasonably dangerous, getting all nervous and shit. Carrying a firearm, doesn't require you to be a badass, although situation awareness and thinking about other people can go further towards making them more comfortable with the idea you are carrying altogether.

 

[OODA_Loop]

The reason I carry two, is actually the balance on the shoulder rig, I wear.

Add weight to balance your rig. Further idiocy of the shoulder rig

 

[White 6]

It’s because no one teaches or uses shoulder holsters as concealed platforms.

Far more use waist and pocket carry.

Probably quite true. Just something, picked up in the military. Brother-in-law, (CW4) although not using in now civilian carry, picked up a preference for chest carry, for mostly same reasons, I picked up shoulder holster in my day. He still has it, but it only come out for back country hiking or if I can get him in a kayak. He was mostly in Hummers, but it was vehicle use and balance, for him. I can relate to that, as my military service pistol was the old trusty M1911 .45, like a 3lb brick hanging on your side. You hang one of those on your side for days or weeks, it wears on you.

 

[Stryder50]

I have other firearms more compact, but I usually carry a Ruger P-95, because it is a steady, double action platform, and I can beat someone to death with it if I run out of ammo.

I also open carry as much as conceal carry (which isn't very concealed), because I don't tend to visit places where gunfights are likely to occur. I mean you never know, but you can damn sure avoid greater possibilities. Living out in the "sticks" where damn near everyone is armed kind of helps too.

Being nice can also defuse situations where people might make the mistake of thinking you are unreasonably dangerous, getting all nervous and shit. Carrying a firearm, doesn't require you to be a badass, although situation awareness and thinking about other people can go further towards making them more comfortable with the idea you are carrying altogether.

Thing I notice is that shooting incidents tend to occur anywhere and anytime and don't always become gunfights, unless an armed citizen is there to intervene.

To each their own, but I prefer not to advertise I'm carrying, nor make it easier for someone to grab my weapon.

I also live in the sticks, but have fewer two-legged varmints to deal with. Also, I'm more inclined to carry open and then something larger like the .357.

 

[White 6]

IWB is my preferred, because I carry a compact, Kahr K9. Slim, single stack, with extended mag, 7 plus one chambered. On my right hip, tucked slightly behind and on the cheek. It's comfortable for me and drawing is similar to going for a wallet in back pocket. I usually carry at least one spare mag in a pocket.

I also usually carry a pepper spray so I have an option depending upon the threat.

I do have a shoulder rig for my Taurus .357 revolver. With a 6 1/4" barrel it's either that of side of leg holster. Includes a pouch for two speed loaders.

Thing about shoulder holster is that I hesitate to display, and often don't wear a jacket or larger shirt to cover a shoulder rig.

If I'm carrying something larger, full frame like a Glock then I prefer on the hip. But with some outer wear to go over.
I'd rather not display and open carry in most cases, just makes you the likely first target if things happen.

Makes sense. I really do not like wearing a top shirt or vest open, over a t-shirt in summer, but I do prefer weapon concealed, as a bad guy, has not right to know, as well as that first target thing you mention. And 2nd amendment or not, open carry makes the straights nervous or at least apprehensive, and no need for that, so concealed is better, all around.

 

[Bitterhook]

Probably quite true. Just something, picked up in the military. Brother-in-law, (CW4) although not using in now civilian carry, picked up a preference for chest carry, for mostly same reasons, I picked up shoulder holster in my day. He still has it, but it only come out for back country hiking or if I can get him in a kayak. He was mostly in Hummers, but it was vehicle use and balance, for him. I can relate to that, as my military service pistol was the old trusty M1911 .45, like a 3lb brick hanging on your side. You hang one of those on your side for days or weeks, it wears on you.

The shoulder holster .45 (or 9mm) in a military application, is usually due to the fact it is not your primary firearm. Also in a military application, you are usually not in a quick draw situation, and your firearm is already out when you are prepared to engage the enemy. That's when firepower (the 3 pound .45) can come in handier than speed.

 

[Bitterhook]

I also live in the sticks, but have fewer two-legged varmints to deal with. Also, I'm more inclined to carry open and then something larger like the .357.

Well, it is true that I have shot more wild hogs with the Ruger than people, but it was still self-defense in every case.

 

[White 6]

The shoulder holster .45 (or 9mm) in a military application, is usually due to the fact it is not your primary firearm. Also in a military application, you are usually not in a quick draw situation, and your firearm is already out when you are prepared to engage the enemy. That's when firepower (the 3 pound .45) can come in handier than speed.

For drivers, senior enlisted and Officers, it often is. I was both in periods of enlisted and officer service. Both hands tied up with a steering wheel or maps, note books and microphone, it is much handier than an m-16 in the back seat.

 

[Concerned American]

For drivers, senior enlisted and Officers, it often is. I was both in periods of enlisted and officer service. Both hands tied up with a steering wheel or maps, note books and microphone, it is much handier than an m-16 in the back seat.

Topic, six. Please observe it. I don't think your military history or holster choices fit the topic.

 

[Bitterhook]

For drivers, senior enlisted and Officers, it often is. I was both in periods of enlisted and officer service. Both hands tied up with a steering wheel or maps, note books and microphone, it is much handier than an m-16 in the back seat.

For Army pilots it isn't your primary, unless your longarm gets destroyed in the crash, and even if you are driving, stopping tends to work better than a rolling gunfight, and if you cannot stop because you don't want to get pinned down, then you better keep worrying about driving.

However, you eventually indicated there was a primary firearm in the back seat although it is usually between the seats or between the door and the seat (unless there is actually a carrier attached to the dash), and your handgun is still secondary.