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rosends
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I don't know if anything has. How can something change the personal perception of someone 75 years ago?
Not AFTER the binding.
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Among some, yes. Among others, white collar jobs are less found.
No, he was about 40.
A short documented history of how God's promises with conditions to the Jews were continually ignored in favor of a self-serving attitude.
God first made a series of promises to father Abraham. A promise of 3 primary concerns. 1. a promise of land. 2. a promise of becoming a great nation. 3. a promise to bless All Nations through Abraham's bloodline. (Gen. 12:1-3, 15:18)
The scriptures actually demonstrate that all 3 of these promises were historically fulfilled......in a display of God's nature in always fulfilling His Word. (Hebrews 6: 13-18)
1. The land promise: Fulfilled when God brought His people out of bondage and gave to them the land of Canaan during the days of Joshua. God remembered His promise to Abraham (Ex. 4:4-8) when He told Israel to enter and take possession of the land. The promise was fulfilled (Joshua 11:23) The Land Promise was completed in its totality. "Thus, the Lord gave to Israel all the land that He swore to give to their fathers (ancestors...Abraham's line)........" (Joshua 21:43-45)
2. The nation promise: Already fulfilled while Israel was captive in the land of Egypt. God had informed Jacob that the nation promise would be fulfilled while they were in Egypt (Gen. 46:3). Israel's population increased greatly while in Egypt (Ex. 1:7) Their numbers became like counting stars in the heavens....just as God had promised (Deut. 9:1-11).
3. The final promise of becoming a blessing to ALL NATIONS is still being fulfilled first by those loyal Jews.....first generation Christians: The promise came first to the loyal remanent of Jews who accepted Jesus Christ as the Messiah of Promise (Acts 3:24-26). From there.....after 10 years of Jewish exclusiveness the promise began to spread to the rest of the then known world (Gal. 3:8-9, 13-16, 26-29)
GOD ALSO PROMISED TO PUNISH A DISOBEDIENT ISRAEL IF THEY CONTINUED TO IGNORE HIS LAW. God promised to destroy Israel if it disobeyed (Lev. 26: 27-39). They would be driven from the Land of Promise (Deut. 4:25-28). They would cease to be a Nation. (Deut. 8:19-20)
God had mercy upon Israel and allowed a few (a remanent) to return after 70 years of banishment....but Israel would never be a complete/whole nation again (as history points out........Biblical Israel has not existed upon the face of the earth for well over 2000 years. (Jer. 25:8-13, Isa. 10:20-23)
The nation calling itself Israel is nothing like the Israel as described in the Word of God. You can call a weed a rose but that weed is still a weed. Modern Israel did not exist as a nation until the late 1940's.....and it was established not by God, but by a United Nation resolution (181). Israel has no God appointed King, No Royal Priesthood, No Tribal ID....etc., it is governed not by God but a man made government........just like all other nations on earth.
Do I respect Israel as a Nation? Of course......its the closest thing to a free society surrounded by nothing but despotism and theological tyranny that exists in that part of the world. But, Israel is not the Israel of the Holy Bible.
God first made a series of promises to father Abraham. A promise of 3 primary concerns. 1. a promise of land. 2. a promise of becoming a great nation. 3. a promise to bless All Nations through Abraham's bloodline. (Gen. 12:1-3, 15:18)
The scriptures actually demonstrate that all 3 of these promises were historically fulfilled......in a display of God's nature in always fulfilling His Word. (Hebrews 6: 13-18)
1. The land promise: Fulfilled when God brought His people out of bondage and gave to them the land of Canaan during the days of Joshua. God remembered His promise to Abraham (Ex. 4:4-8) when He told Israel to enter and take possession of the land. The promise was fulfilled (Joshua 11:23) The Land Promise was completed in its totality. "Thus, the Lord gave to Israel all the land that He swore to give to their fathers (ancestors...Abraham's line)........" (Joshua 21:43-45)
2. The nation promise: Already fulfilled while Israel was captive in the land of Egypt. God had informed Jacob that the nation promise would be fulfilled while they were in Egypt (Gen. 46:3). Israel's population increased greatly while in Egypt (Ex. 1:7) Their numbers became like counting stars in the heavens....just as God had promised (Deut. 9:1-11).
3. The final promise of becoming a blessing to ALL NATIONS is still being fulfilled first by those loyal Jews.....first generation Christians: The promise came first to the loyal remanent of Jews who accepted Jesus Christ as the Messiah of Promise (Acts 3:24-26). From there.....after 10 years of Jewish exclusiveness the promise began to spread to the rest of the then known world (Gal. 3:8-9, 13-16, 26-29)
GOD ALSO PROMISED TO PUNISH A DISOBEDIENT ISRAEL IF THEY CONTINUED TO IGNORE HIS LAW. God promised to destroy Israel if it disobeyed (Lev. 26: 27-39). They would be driven from the Land of Promise (Deut. 4:25-28). They would cease to be a Nation. (Deut. 8:19-20)
God had mercy upon Israel and allowed a few (a remanent) to return after 70 years of banishment....but Israel would never be a complete/whole nation again (as history points out........Biblical Israel has not existed upon the face of the earth for well over 2000 years. (Jer. 25:8-13, Isa. 10:20-23)
The nation calling itself Israel is nothing like the Israel as described in the Word of God. You can call a weed a rose but that weed is still a weed. Modern Israel did not exist as a nation until the late 1940's.....and it was established not by God, but by a United Nation resolution (181). Israel has no God appointed King, No Royal Priesthood, No Tribal ID....etc., it is governed not by God but a man made government........just like all other nations on earth.
Do I respect Israel as a Nation? Of course......its the closest thing to a free society surrounded by nothing but despotism and theological tyranny that exists in that part of the world. But, Israel is not the Israel of the Holy Bible.
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back to the heavens ...
their not being labourers (as some, jews have been happily) in itself is not their failure that is their attitude as the maga jews in this thread who at best condescend as those being beneath them and worship an apartheid religion anointing themselves as special.
No, because Sarah gave birth to Isaac when she was 90, and she lived to 127. Since she died shortly after the binding, that would make Isaac 37.
Stay on track. Your interpretation makes Israel and God look bad. My interpretation makes Israel and God look good. According to your interpretation Israel is founded on deception because the only way God could keep his promise was for Rebekah to deceive Isaac. According to my interpretation, Israel was never intended to be founded by deception because the point was to test whether or not Rebekah would trust God to keep his promise. The account was about trusting God. The account was not about deception.
But if you want to believe that God planned for Rebekah to deceive Isaac to keep the promise that God made to Abraham and Isaac, be my guest. I'll continue to believe that if Rebekah had trusted in God and passed God's test that God would have made it so Isaac changed his mind and gave Jacob God's blessing. Just like God found a way for Abraham to not kill Isaac.
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It's quiet simple, I'm not suggesting an interpretation, but rather pointing to the text.
Where does the text say God or Isaac disagree with Rebecca?
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