The Propaganda Trash that Forum Outcasts wanted you to swallow . Which many of you did.
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my grandma used to live where the superdome is now. perhaps i have a right to bulldoze the stadium and move back in?
informative and fact filled. by the same un resolution jerusalem is an "international city" and all have access to the mosques and the temple mount. we really need to get a neutral moderator and a suitable venue to sit these people down and talk.The above doesn't constitute a "right" according to International law - at all. And UN resolutions are NOT binding.
The primary charter of the UN is - "the right of self-determination of people" - that already live in a common to all, specific territory.
As such Taiwan is an inherent failure by the UN just as well (same timeline as Israel) - again thanks to the USA.
The only ones legible to invoke and vote onto "the right of self-determination" where those already living "legally" in the British mandated territory of Palestine.
Factually when Britain was given the Mandate in 1921 by the UN (respectively it's forerunner). This would apply to around 30-40,000 thousand Jews and around 1,500,000 Palestinians and Arabs. Logically the territory "intended" for Jews would only have encompassed less then 3% of British Mandated Palestine. Which at the time included Jordan. !!! Though there was never a vote given to any people - the British single-handedly gave Trans-Jordan to the allied Hashemite tribal clan in 1923, as being a partial independent territory and being recognized as fully independent in 1946.
However the Palestinians, were never asked nor even invited in 1921 to such talks. Only the European Jews were promised a homeland by the British, already in 1917 (Even before the latter was even nominated as the Mandate power), - and not by the UN.
Illegal immigrants have no voting rights in such a "self-determination" - and it was the British that had restricted the Jewish immigrant numbers from 1939 onward. Therefore in 1948 only around 300,000 Jews and around a million Palestinian-Arabs were legal to vote. and again the Palestinian-Arabs were not seen as a separate group - as such only existing Arab Nations and Egypt were invited to these talks. A flagrant violation towards the UN charter.
And it is known that the Arab States and Egypt "rejected" the UN Partition Plan of 1947 - and again UN resolutions are NOT binding.
Fact however was that around 800,000 Jews had populated the territory by 1948 - in opposition to around a million Palestinians. The Jews had thousands of battle proven veterans in their ranks - and the Palestinians had no military experience whatsoever and also no arms (British sanctions onto Palestinians) - leave aside some rifles owned foremost by Palestinian-Bedouins.
Ben Gurion and his Zionist followers were fully aware that UN Resolutions are not binding - and that the Palestinians, the Arabs and the Egyptians would reject "rightfully" the UN Partition Plan of 1947 that had "allocated" around 55% of the remaining British Mandate to the Jews - of which around 70% were illegal immigrants. Furthermore he was fully aware that these around 800,000 Jews had no other country to go to.
As such he decided to got to war, committing atrocities against Palestinians that would further the Zionist attempt to "encourage" them to flee, and declared an independent Israel based onto 70% of the former leftover British mandate. The rest should be known history.
In 1949 the UN recognized the State of Israel - again without adhering to the UN charter, simply ignoring the Palestinian right towards a Sovereign State, but sanctimonious, "acknowledging" the Palestinian right towards self-determination, whilst allowing Jordan to occupy the West-Bank. Israel then kicked off two wars in 1956 and 1967 to further their territory - since it was from day one the Zionist goal to occupy and gain the entire former left-over British mandate soley for themselves, plus some extras such as the Golan heights.
As such the Palestinians have "rightfully" expressed their 'RIGHT" towards an own sovereign country since 1948 - being ignored by everyone, a Mr. Arafat decided to form the PLO, and to use low scale guerrilla tactics against Israel. (even tried to topple the Hashemite). Realizing that the PLO would be no match against Israels military - groups such as Black September were founded to "export" terrorist activities beyond Palestine.
Israel always being fully aware of their military capabilities never wasted any thoughts towards finding an agreement with the Palestinians - but further developed it's illegal settlement policy - harassing and killing Palestinians in their tens of thousands. Whining and bitching everytime about the PLO having killed two Israelis at a busstop. But never gave a shit about thousands of European, Americans and others, murdered by Muslim fanatics due to their Zionist policy.
Only due to the rise and clear danger posed by Iran - especially after Iran having beaten off Iraqs attack (the latter supported by the USA and other EU countries) and Iraq's military demise, did a moderate Israeli - Yitzhak Rabin, seriously try to find a peaceful settlement with the PLO - before things materialized, he "logically" was assassinated by a radical Zionist Jew in 1995.
Rabin was murdered on November 4, 1995, by Yigal Amir, an extremist Jew, who was opposed to the Oslo Accords and the handing over of control of parts of the West Bank to the Palestinians as a part of a landmark peace agreement.
In the weeks before the assassination, Netanyahu, then head of the opposition, and other senior Likud members attended a right-wing political rally in Jerusalem where protesters branded Rabin a “traitor,” “murderer,” and “Nazi” for signing a peace agreement with the Palestinians earlier that year.
Labor party chief Merav Michaeli on Thursday accused opposition leader Benjamin Netanyahu of being complicit in the assassination of former prime minister Yitzhak Rabin.
Labor chief Michaeli: Rabin was assassinated with Netanyahu’s cooperation
Speaking ahead of anniversary of ex-PM's killing, minister singles out Likud leader and Ben Gvir for roles in incitement; Likud sources: She’s desperate to cross Knesset thresholdwww.timesofisrael.com
The then continued Zionist policy, eventually resulted into the demise of the PLO and the rise of a group called Hamas. Whilst Israels attack onto Lebanon in 1982 had already resulted into the founding of Hezbollah. The US screw-up resulted in Osama bin Laden, a new Taliban, ISIS and IS exporting their terrorism into the world. And what is all binding these Islamic nutcases is the common hatred expressed towards Israel (due to the Zionist policy) thus making ample misuse of the Palestinian issue - and also targeting those countries supporting that Zionist policy.
And today I find myself confronted with history morons - that "idiotically" and "ignorantly" blame Hamas for supposedly having casued Zionist policy. That these Hamas morons simply retaliated towards the death of approx. 30,000 Palestinians and stolen land since 1948, aka the Zionist policy - Using the same means - aka military force - just as Israel, completely evades these retards, who even attempt to justify the Zionist policy as a "God given right" and call for the killing of Muslims, and bath themselves in spun tales of Hamas having roasted babies, etc.
That a self-declared Nazi like you who publicly states his support towards ethnic cleansing and the dogma of a racial superiority - will come up with any crap to support your mental brethren the Zionists, and their related Forum Outcasts here on USMB, is understood.
i don't expect them to agree to solve this, but maybe they can stop killing for a little while.
he knows. he just thinks it is a good thing.
gipper
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If true, then he’s a psychopath.
luiza
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Remember over 90% have an IQ under 120 .
Most people regardless of IQ are gullible .
Biggest and best argument against Democracy , imho .
But with this junior Nutty Yahoo , who knows what abuse he suffered as a kid , was bullied at school , ridiculed at work etc
He sure is a wounded little chap, whatever the reasons .
gipper
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Anyone supporting the Gaza genocide is obviously low IQ.
I thought we as a civilization had gotten past this horrible behavior. How naive of me.
I'm reluctant to discuss other individuals but I have repeatedly cited Jewish sources(1), (2) that describe and condemn what they regard as Israel's blatant genocidal agenda.
In spite of this, apologists for Zionist generally evade salient questions, accuse others of "anti Semitism" (aka "The Trick" (3) and, unable to compose a coherent rebuttal, almost always resort to puerile insults and name calling.
It gets tiresome reading the same evasive and insulting scripts over and over.
Concerning the Gaza Genocide, there's now no doubt that Netanyahu and his henchmen are doing everything in their power to maximize Gaza's death toll not by targeted killings but by indiscriminate and redundant bombing intended to cause mass slaughter and gunning down civilians wherever they may be (4).
IDF is so trigger happy in Gaza that they even gunned down semi-nude hostages all waving white flags
As if Netanyahu's systematic extermination via modern munitions wasn't bad enough, Israel's Defense Minister gleefully announced that all food, water, fuel and electricity is to be completely cut off so that existence in Gaza makes life in Auschwitz look like a blissful life at a 5 star, luxury resort.
The final earmark of Netanyahu's genocidal agenda is the absence of either an End Game or Exit Strategy making it clear that he fully intends to systematically exterminate Gaza's residents until some American politicians with the courage and integrity to stand up to Zionist lobbies pulls the plug on Zionist genocide by enforcing the Symington - Glenn Amendment(5)
The fastest way to stop Zionist genocide is to stop funding it. (6)
Thanks,
(1). "A Textbook Case of Genocide"
A Textbook Case of Genocide
Israel has been explicit about what it’s carrying out in Gaza. Why isn’t the world listening?
jewishcurrents.org
"Israel has been explicit about what it’s carrying out in Gaza. Why isn’t the world listening?"
(2). "The Israel Massacre Forces"
https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-the-israel-massacre-forces-1.5962852
EXCERPT "The shooting on the Gaza border shows once again that the killing of Palestinians is accepted in Israel more lightly than the killing of mosquitoes"CONTINUED
(3) "The Trick"
Don’t be caught out by ‘the trick'
In August 2002 former Israeli Minister of Education Shulamit Aloni was interviewed on the radio and television program Democracy Now .
www.scoop.co.nz
And it’s very easy to blame people who criticize certain acts of the Israeli government as anti-Semitic, and to bring up the Holocaust, and the suffering of the Jewish people, and that is to justify everything we do to the Palestinians.”CONTINUED
Shulamit Aloni
(4). "'Fire at every person': Israeli soldiers reveal they were ordered to shoot to kill in Gaza combat zones – even if targets may have been civilians"
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/fire-at-every-person-you-see-israeli-soldiers-reveal-they-were-ordered-to-shoot-to-kill-in-gaza-even-10223427.html
EXCERPT "The Israeli military deliberately pounded civilian areas in the Gaza Strip with incessant fire of inaccurate ordinance during last year’s war against Hamas and was at best indifferent about casualties among the Palestinian population."CONTINUED
(5). "Lawsuit Claims Aid to Nuclear Israel Illegal Under Symington Glenn Amendments"
Lawsuit Claims Aid to Nuclear Israel Illegal Under Symington Glenn Amendments - Corporate Crime Reporter
EXCERPT "A lawsuit filed in federal court in Washington, D.C. claims that United States aid to Israel is illegal under a law passed in the 1970s that prohibits aid to nuclear powers that don’t sign the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty (NPT).
Such aid violates longstanding bans on foreign aid to non-signatories to the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty (NPT) with nuclear weapons programs, the lawsuit alleges."CONTINUED
(6). "The Costs to American Taxpayers of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: $3 Trillion"
https://www.wrmea.org/003-june/the-...israeli-palestinian-conflict-$3-trillion.html
By Thomas R. Stauffer
EXCERPT "Similarly, aid to Israel—and thus the regional total—also is understated, since much is outside of the foreign aid appropriation process or implicit in other programs. Support for Israel comes to $1.8 trillion, including special trade advantages, preferential contracts, or aid buried in other accounts. In addition to the financial outlay, U.S. aid to Israel costs some 275,000 American jobs each year."CONTINUED
Toddsterpatriot
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Murder?
Toddsterpatriot
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If you say so, Suzie.
Toddsterpatriot
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Anyone who claims it's a genocide is low IQ.
I thought we as a civilization had gotten past this horrible behavior.
Hamas isn't part of civilization.
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The absence of an "end game" is in no way an indication of a systematic extermination of Gaza's population. This is the clearest example of antisemitism, as an assumption of the most vile atrocity as some sort of default position, utterly lacking in evidence.
The "end game" for Gaza, definitively since 2005 (at the very latest), has been an independent State living in peace and economic prosperity alongside Israel. It is abundantly clear, as at October 7, if not before, that the people of Gaza (and probably Arab Palestine as well) are incapable (at the moment) of building a State and meeting the obligations and responsibilities which come with one.
Therefore, the "end game" is obvious and everyone knows what it is. The current government of Gaza is being dismantled. Gaza will need a new governing body. That governing body will not (immediately) come from the people of Gaza. That governing body could be Israel, with Israel re-occupying (for real) Gaza OR it could be another State OR it could be an international body such as the UN (ugh). There are advantages and disadvantages to each of these scenarios.
Regardless of who takes on this monumental task, they must accomplish four things in order for the people of Gaza to have peace and prosperity: 1. safeguard the security of Israel and her citizens. 2. de-radicalize the population of Gaza. 3. re-build. 4. create realistic trade agreements and partnerships.
Now let's turn this on its head and ask what is the END GAME is for Hamas, in particular, given their actions on October 7, and the END GAME for Arab Palestinians?
Kruska
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They definitely are - sad but true, just like you and your ilk are unfortunately a part of civilizations bottom-scrapes as well.
Kruska
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The "end game" is well known and has been numerously outlined by Netanyahu - regain Gaza, continue the illegal settlement policy in Gaza - that was put a stop to by the US administration in 2004/5, kill as many Palestinians as possible (without risking US support to be withdrawn) terrorize Palestinians in Gaza and the West-bank - so that they will hopefully leave the place, and the Zionists can finally annex it.
Grau is simply awaiting your confirmation. So let's see if you have the guts to admit towards your Zionist agenda.
Outlining and directing rightful critics towards the Zionist policy - has absolutely nothing to do with antisemitism.
And everyone, including Zionist scumbags, knows that. Your exploitation of the "Holocaust guilt&pity syndrome" has found it's end on the planet - foremost, thanks to Netanyahu's public proclamations and actions.
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Kruska
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"B I N G O"
even stupid people must consent to be governed. a democracy, however must have some checks on the dumb as well.
if our nomination process, impeachment, and the criminal justice and mental health systems fail we get these people . not "subhumans" or animals, but as you say, scrapings from the gene pool or whatever.
maybe requiting a diploma or some test should be required for voter registration, but maybe that voter registration could be required for a firearms permit?
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This should make you very happy and might help with your ED.
Toddsterpatriot
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Especially the attack on the USS Liberty. Right? You're a traitor.
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Toddsterpatriot
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Loser Arabs should try peace, instead of constantly getting their asses kicked.
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