The Progs will DENY SCIENCE when it comes to record snowfalls, that havent happened like this over 100 years.

[westwall]

View attachment 410086

Just out of pure curiosity ... why do you think humans were absorbing 1,954.8 billion tons of CO2 at the time Christ was born? ...

Well there were more rain forest sequestering CO2

The overwhelmingly vast majority of CO2 is hed in the oceans.

Much was also released by burning of forest and with that forest cleared the reuptake process there is eliminated

Rainforest is important for many many things. Globull warming ain't one of them.

Well they are a major source of Carbon lockup and Oxygen production, the more of both the better

Why are you so interested in keeping CO2 locked away? You don't like life?

The rainforest sequester large amounts of CO2 and in the process convert sunlight to sugar and Oxygen that enable the food chain and allow you to breath. You have an issue with that?

You never should have skipped the first grade, as you missed a lot

Actually it's pretty clear that you are an idiot. The rainforest creates comparatively low O2 compared to the algae in the oceans.

Once again you demonstrate an infantile understanding of the earth sciences. Tell you what, graduate from middle school, then get yourself a high school diploma then go to college, and when you actually know something feel free to post again.

 

[esalla]

View attachment 410086

Just out of pure curiosity ... why do you think humans were absorbing 1,954.8 billion tons of CO2 at the time Christ was born? ...

Well there were more rain forest sequestering CO2

The overwhelmingly vast majority of CO2 is hed in the oceans.

Much was also released by burning of forest and with that forest cleared the reuptake process there is eliminated

Rainforest is important for many many things. Globull warming ain't one of them.

Well they are a major source of Carbon lockup and Oxygen production, the more of both the better

Why are you so interested in keeping CO2 locked away? You don't like life?

The rainforest sequester large amounts of CO2 and in the process convert sunlight to sugar and Oxygen that enable the food chain and allow you to breath. You have an issue with that?

You never should have skipped the first grade, as you missed a lot

Actually it's pretty clear that you are an idiot. The rainforest creates comparatively low O2 compared to the algae in the oceans.

Once again you demonstrate an infantile understanding of the earth sciences. Tell you what, graduate from middle school, then get yourself a high school diploma then go to college, and when you actually know something feel free to post again.

So you are advocating for rainforest depletion? Because rainforest are bad places with mosquitoes and their place in the Carbon cycle is irrelevant

We can stop there

You loot a Walmart yet today champ

 

[Muhammed]

Carbon emissions are pollution

Bullshit.

 

[esalla]

Carbon emissions are pollution

Bullshit.

Well if you disagree feel free to shut the garage door and cook some bacon on the grill.

 

[ReinyDays]

I am coming into this in middle and don't have time to read the previous context, but ending the Gulf Stream warming of Europe does not require a change in currents or axis spin of the planet.
All it takes is for cold fresh water melt-off from Greenland to force the heavier warmer salt water of the Gulf stream to subduct down beneath the surface, where it is much colder.
That would prevent Gulf Stream warming of Europe, dropping temperatures there by over 10 degrees F. That is one of many ways how global warming can cause local cooling.
Another is by energying polar storms enough to leave their normal latitudes, and get much further towards the equator than they normally are able to.
Global warming means much more energetic weather, which can many more extreme results.

Global warming means more snow because there is more evaporated water vapor in the air to condense from winter weather. It is going to snow if it is 25 degrees or -25 degrees.
Temperature alone does not decide it it is going to snow.
The main factor in the winter is whether or not there is enough water vapor in the air.
And global warming greatly increases water vapor in the air.

If you've come in the middle, you didn't miss anything ...

The fresh water coming off the Greenland ice sheet would form a thin sheen over the salt water ... this is true ... it does seem to be enough fresh water to cause but minimal restrictions of the current ... gravity demands equal density for equal elevation, so the fresh water spreads out over the ocean as far as it can spread ... put a little gasoline in a puddle and you'll see what I mean ... plus I think you have cause-and-effect wrong ... for the cause of Europe getting warmer, the Gulf Stream slows down ... less energy needs to be transported, the forces transporting the energy weakens ... Europe is warming faster than the equator ...

Again ... with Arctic Amplification ... there's less force driving "polar storms" towards the equator ... although there's good research that the lobes of the polar front are increasing in amplitude, we still have the problem here in North America of these lobes rarely pushing over the Gulf of Mexico, they tend to stop "cold" at the Gulf Coast ... sometimes though, infamously the day they tried to launch Space Shuttle Challenger ...

Global warming means much more energetic weather, which can many more extreme results.

This is a common misunderstanding ... global warming means more energy in the atmosphere ... however, weather is driven by power ... power and energy are related, but they are different things ... put two 1,000ºC chunks of iron together, plenty of energy, but no power ... a chunk at 0ºC and one at 500ºC, less energy, but energy will flow one to the other, we have power ...

As the poles warm twice as fast as the equator ... less energy will flow, thus less average power in the atmosphere reducing the probability of more powerful weather events ... yes, more energy, but less power ... weather will be calmer in a warmer future ... that's clear cut for droughts, although with floods there's other factors involved ... where the flooding balance winds up in our warmer future is difficult to estimate ... maybe more, maybe less ... I'd avoid building your home ten feet below sea level all the same ...

 

[Muhammed]

Carbon emissions are pollution

Bullshit.

Well if you disagree feel free to shut the garage door and cook some bacon on the grill.

 

[ReinyDays]

Carbon emissions are pollution

Bullshit.

The extra CO2 in our atmosphere bear the tattle-tale signs of recently burnt fossil fuels ... as a waste product of man's activities simply dumped into the environment ... it is pollution ... is it dangerous like Cesium-135, or harmless like Helium? ... either way, it's pollution ...

 

[esalla]

I am coming into this in middle and don't have time to read the previous context, but ending the Gulf Stream warming of Europe does not require a change in currents or axis spin of the planet.
All it takes is for cold fresh water melt-off from Greenland to force the heavier warmer salt water of the Gulf stream to subduct down beneath the surface, where it is much colder.
That would prevent Gulf Stream warming of Europe, dropping temperatures there by over 10 degrees F. That is one of many ways how global warming can cause local cooling.
Another is by energying polar storms enough to leave their normal latitudes, and get much further towards the equator than they normally are able to.
Global warming means much more energetic weather, which can many more extreme results.

Global warming means more snow because there is more evaporated water vapor in the air to condense from winter weather. It is going to snow if it is 25 degrees or -25 degrees.
Temperature alone does not decide it it is going to snow.
The main factor in the winter is whether or not there is enough water vapor in the air.
And global warming greatly increases water vapor in the air.

If you've come in the middle, you didn't miss anything ...

The fresh water coming off the Greenland ice sheet would form a thin sheen over the salt water ... this is true ... it does seem to be enough fresh water to cause but minimal restrictions of the current ... gravity demands equal density for equal elevation, so the fresh water spreads out over the ocean as far as it can spread ... put a little gasoline in a puddle and you'll see what I mean ... plus I think you have cause-and-effect wrong ... for the cause of Europe getting warmer, the Gulf Stream slows down ... less energy needs to be transported, the forces transporting the energy weakens ... Europe is warming faster than the equator ...

Again ... with Arctic Amplification ... there's less force driving "polar storms" towards the equator ... although there's good research that the lobes of the polar front are increasing in amplitude, we still have the problem here in North America of these lobes rarely pushing over the Gulf of Mexico, they tend to stop "cold" at the Gulf Coast ... sometimes though, infamously the day they tried to launch Space Shuttle Challenger ...

Global warming means much more energetic weather, which can many more extreme results.

This is a common misunderstanding ... global warming means more energy in the atmosphere ... however, weather is driven by power ... power and energy are related, but they are different things ... put two 1,000ºC chunks of iron together, plenty of energy, but no power ... a chunk at 0ºC and one at 500ºC, less energy, but energy will flow one to the other, we have power ...

As the poles warm twice as fast as the equator ... less energy will flow, thus less average power in the atmosphere reducing the probability of more powerful weather events ... yes, more energy, but less power ... weather will be calmer in a warmer future ... that's clear cut for droughts, although with floods there's other factors involved ... where the flooding balance winds up in our warmer future is difficult to estimate ... maybe more, maybe less ... I'd avoid building your home ten feet below sea level all the same ...

Freshwater only floats on saltwater in the absence of waves, current and up or down welling.

 

[esalla]

Carbon emissions are pollution

Bullshit.

Well if you disagree feel free to shut the garage door and cook some bacon on the grill.

Anything outside of a natural system is pollution. Too much water in a desert ecosystem would also be pollution. I assume you are aware that wearing a mask increases CO2 uptake by restricting emission, it then becomes a pollutant even though the body produced it

 

[ReinyDays]

Freshwater only floats on saltwater in the absence of waves, current and up or down welling.

Yeah ... I think this notion of blocking the Gulf Stream comes from glacial lake outburst events ... millions of cubic miles of fresh water entering the ocean over two or three days ... it might take a couple of months for the ocean currents to resume ... "it happened then, it `could` happen now, therefore it WILL happen"

 

[westwall]

Carbon emissions are pollution

Bullshit.

The extra CO2 in our atmosphere bear the tattle-tale signs of recently burnt fossil fuels ... as a waste product of man's activities simply dumped into the environment ... it is pollution ... is it dangerous like Cesium-135, or harmless like Helium? ... either way, it's pollution ...

No, it isn't pollution. Pollution is harmful to the environment no matter what. Without CO2 there is no life.

 

[Rigby5]

View attachment 410086

Just out of pure curiosity ... why do you think humans were absorbing 1,954.8 billion tons of CO2 at the time Christ was born? ...

Well there were more rain forest sequestering CO2

The overwhelmingly vast majority of CO2 is held in the oceans.

True, but so what?

{...
The oceans contain about 50 times more CO 2 than the atmosphere and 19 times more than the land biosphere. CO 2 moves between the atmosphere and the ocean by molecular diffusion when there is a difference between CO 2 gas pressure (pCO 2 ) between the atmosphere and oceans.
...}

It is only the CO2 in the atmosphere we care about, since that is what changes the frequency of sunlight and causes heat retention, (aka greenhouse effect).

 

[Rigby5]

The question is why are you arguing with the obvious?

Relationship between Earth’s Magnetic Field and Ocean Currents?

A paper in “New Journal of Physics” titled “Secular variation of the Earth’s magnetic field: induced by the ocean flow?” (available at ) suggests: Abstract. Secular variatio…

cyclesresearchinstitute.wordpress.com

NASA Scientific Visualization Studio | Ocean Tides and Magnetic Fields

Seawater is an electrical conductor, and therefore interacts with the magnetic field. As the tides cycle around the ocean basins, the ocean water essentially tries to pull the geomagnetic field lines along.Because the salty water is a good, but not great, conductor, the interaction is...

svs.gsfc.nasa.gov

Magnetic Field Effects On Ocean Currents

Transcript: The most widely disseminated possible consequence of Global Warming is a shift in the course of the Gulf Stream that triggers an Ice Age that sweeps suddenly across the Northern ...

www.dailykos.com

Are you one of those government drones that only believes what the zombie orders you to believe

Your first two citations are effectively the same, the first cites the second ... and your third citation is commercial ...

Of the scientific references, neither support your claim ocean currents will reverse with a reversing magnetic field ... indeed they both specfically state they're only looking at the scalar value associated with the magnetic field ... and in part how Neptune effects this ... something astrologers have been claiming for thousands of years ... interesting and does "suggest" some interaction ... but until they finish their calculations, we won't know how much ...

The wind in the primary driver of ocean current like the Gulf Stream ... I'm sure stronger magnetic fields provide a braking action on the currents, one of many frictional forces at play in these types of systems ... but with the magnitude of magnetism dropping, the friction it causes will also be reduced ... thus having less effect on currents ...

The Gulf Stream flows in the direction is does due to cyclonic motion ... reversing the flow would require the Earth to spin the other way on her axis ... CO2 in the atmosphere won't do that ... obviously ...

I am coming into this in middle and don't have time to read the previous context, but ending the Gulf Stream warming of Europe does not require a change in currents or axis spin of the planet.
All it takes is for cold fresh water melt-off from Greenland to force the heavier warmer salt water of the Gulf stream to subduct down beneath the surface, where it is much colder.
That would prevent Gulf Stream warming of Europe, dropping temperatures there by over 10 degrees F. That is one of many ways how global warming can cause local cooling.
Another is by energying polar storms enough to leave their normal latitudes, and get much further towards the equator than they normally are able to.
Global warming means much more energetic weather, which can many more extreme results.

The problem with that theory is warm water rises.

True, but being warm does not make the salty Gulf Stream lighter than the cold fresh water melt off from Greenland.
I have not done the calculations or observations, but that is what the experts tell me.

Atlantic meridional overturning circulation - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Study: Melting Greenland ice sheet is rapidly slowing the Gulf Stream

Study: Melting Greenland ice sheet is rapidly slowing the Gulf Stream

mashable.com

Emerging impact of Greenland meltwater on deepwater formation in the North Atlantic Ocean | Request PDF

Request PDF | Emerging impact of Greenland meltwater on deepwater formation in the North Atlantic Ocean | The Greenland ice sheet has experienced increasing mass loss since the 1990s. The enhanced freshwater flux due to both surface melt and outlet... | Find, read and cite all the research you...

www.researchgate.net

 

[Rigby5]

Global warming means more snow because there is more evaporated water vapor in the air to condense from winter weather. It is going to snow if it is 25 degrees or -25 degrees.
Temperature alone does not decide it it is going to snow.
The main factor in the winter is whether or not there is enough water vapor in the air.
And global warming greatly increases water vapor in the air.

And the problem with that theory is the residence time of water vapor in the atmosphere is 9 days.

Don't see how "residence time" has anything to do with how much rain or snow we get?
Obviously warmer temperatures will increase residence time, as it is cold that causes moisture to be stripped from the atmosphere.
If a planet gets into a race condition, where additional water vapor increases temperature, which then increases water vapor again, then you can end up like Venus, with no liquid water any more, and residence time being forever.

 

[westwall]

Global warming means more snow because there is more evaporated water vapor in the air to condense from winter weather. It is going to snow if it is 25 degrees or -25 degrees.
Temperature alone does not decide it it is going to snow.
The main factor in the winter is whether or not there is enough water vapor in the air.
And global warming greatly increases water vapor in the air.

And the problem with that theory is the residence time of water vapor in the atmosphere is 9 days.

Don't see how "residence time" has anything to do with how much rain or snow we get?
Obviously warmer temperatures will increase residence time, as it is cold that causes moisture to be stripped from the atmosphere.
If a planet gets into a race condition, where additional water vapor increases temperature, which then increases water vapor again, then you can end up like Venus, with no liquid water any more, and residence time being forever.

Simple. To get snow it has to be cold. The excess water vapor you are claiming to be responsible will have been gone for months before the snowstorms occur. Thus, your claim is refuted by simple fact.

 

[Rigby5]

Freshwater only floats on saltwater in the absence of waves, current and up or down welling.

Yeah ... I think this notion of blocking the Gulf Stream comes from glacial lake outburst events ... millions of cubic miles of fresh water entering the ocean over two or three days ... it might take a couple of months for the ocean currents to resume ... "it happened then, it `could` happen now, therefore it WILL happen"

No, there obviously is no way to "block" an ocean current, and no one suggested that it did.
What is known to be happening is that the Gulf Stream is being sunken beneath the surface.
If the Gulf Stream is subducted deeper under other currents, like the Labrador Current, then Europe will not get any Gulf Stream warming effects any more.
The Gulf Stream will continue towards Europe, but be deep under water instead of on the surface.

 

[Rigby5]

Carbon emissions are pollution

Bullshit.

The extra CO2 in our atmosphere bear the tattle-tale signs of recently burnt fossil fuels ... as a waste product of man's activities simply dumped into the environment ... it is pollution ... is it dangerous like Cesium-135, or harmless like Helium? ... either way, it's pollution ...

No, it isn't pollution. Pollution is harmful to the environment no matter what. Without CO2 there is no life.

Increasing CO2 in the atmosphere does not increase life.
They find that with more CO2, plants grow faster, but have less nutritional value as food.

 

[westwall]

The question is why are you arguing with the obvious?

Relationship between Earth’s Magnetic Field and Ocean Currents?

A paper in “New Journal of Physics” titled “Secular variation of the Earth’s magnetic field: induced by the ocean flow?” (available at ) suggests: Abstract. Secular variatio…

cyclesresearchinstitute.wordpress.com

NASA Scientific Visualization Studio | Ocean Tides and Magnetic Fields

Seawater is an electrical conductor, and therefore interacts with the magnetic field. As the tides cycle around the ocean basins, the ocean water essentially tries to pull the geomagnetic field lines along.Because the salty water is a good, but not great, conductor, the interaction is...

svs.gsfc.nasa.gov

Magnetic Field Effects On Ocean Currents

Transcript: The most widely disseminated possible consequence of Global Warming is a shift in the course of the Gulf Stream that triggers an Ice Age that sweeps suddenly across the Northern ...

www.dailykos.com

Are you one of those government drones that only believes what the zombie orders you to believe

Your first two citations are effectively the same, the first cites the second ... and your third citation is commercial ...

Of the scientific references, neither support your claim ocean currents will reverse with a reversing magnetic field ... indeed they both specfically state they're only looking at the scalar value associated with the magnetic field ... and in part how Neptune effects this ... something astrologers have been claiming for thousands of years ... interesting and does "suggest" some interaction ... but until they finish their calculations, we won't know how much ...

The wind in the primary driver of ocean current like the Gulf Stream ... I'm sure stronger magnetic fields provide a braking action on the currents, one of many frictional forces at play in these types of systems ... but with the magnitude of magnetism dropping, the friction it causes will also be reduced ... thus having less effect on currents ...

The Gulf Stream flows in the direction is does due to cyclonic motion ... reversing the flow would require the Earth to spin the other way on her axis ... CO2 in the atmosphere won't do that ... obviously ...

I am coming into this in middle and don't have time to read the previous context, but ending the Gulf Stream warming of Europe does not require a change in currents or axis spin of the planet.
All it takes is for cold fresh water melt-off from Greenland to force the heavier warmer salt water of the Gulf stream to subduct down beneath the surface, where it is much colder.
That would prevent Gulf Stream warming of Europe, dropping temperatures there by over 10 degrees F. That is one of many ways how global warming can cause local cooling.
Another is by energying polar storms enough to leave their normal latitudes, and get much further towards the equator than they normally are able to.
Global warming means much more energetic weather, which can many more extreme results.

The problem with that theory is warm water rises.

True, but being warm does not make the salty Gulf Stream lighter than the cold fresh water melt off from Greenland.
I have not done the calculations or observations, but that is what the experts tell me.

Atlantic meridional overturning circulation - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Study: Melting Greenland ice sheet is rapidly slowing the Gulf Stream

Study: Melting Greenland ice sheet is rapidly slowing the Gulf Stream

mashable.com

Emerging impact of Greenland meltwater on deepwater formation in the North Atlantic Ocean | Request PDF

Request PDF | Emerging impact of Greenland meltwater on deepwater formation in the North Atlantic Ocean | The Greenland ice sheet has experienced increasing mass loss since the 1990s. The enhanced freshwater flux due to both surface melt and outlet... | Find, read and cite all the research you...

www.researchgate.net

And the experts are telling you that warm water can somehow be magically transported to depth.....where it will somehow, magically, remain warm.

Please explain how that is possible given the physics that govern our universe.

 

[Rigby5]

Global warming means more snow because there is more evaporated water vapor in the air to condense from winter weather. It is going to snow if it is 25 degrees or -25 degrees.
Temperature alone does not decide it it is going to snow.
The main factor in the winter is whether or not there is enough water vapor in the air.
And global warming greatly increases water vapor in the air.

And the problem with that theory is the residence time of water vapor in the atmosphere is 9 days.

Don't see how "residence time" has anything to do with how much rain or snow we get?
Obviously warmer temperatures will increase residence time, as it is cold that causes moisture to be stripped from the atmosphere.
If a planet gets into a race condition, where additional water vapor increases temperature, which then increases water vapor again, then you can end up like Venus, with no liquid water any more, and residence time being forever.

Simple. To get snow it has to be cold. The excess water vapor you are claiming to be responsible will have been gone for months before the snowstorms occur. Thus, your claim is refuted by simple fact.

Not at all. At upper altitudes, the jets stream is moving at hundreds of miles an hour. Water vapor can move around quite quickly. Certainly fast enough to cause additional rain or snow from global warming. If what you said were true, then it would never rain or snow.

 

[Rigby5]

The question is why are you arguing with the obvious?

Relationship between Earth’s Magnetic Field and Ocean Currents?

A paper in “New Journal of Physics” titled “Secular variation of the Earth’s magnetic field: induced by the ocean flow?” (available at ) suggests: Abstract. Secular variatio…

cyclesresearchinstitute.wordpress.com

NASA Scientific Visualization Studio | Ocean Tides and Magnetic Fields

Seawater is an electrical conductor, and therefore interacts with the magnetic field. As the tides cycle around the ocean basins, the ocean water essentially tries to pull the geomagnetic field lines along.Because the salty water is a good, but not great, conductor, the interaction is...

svs.gsfc.nasa.gov

Magnetic Field Effects On Ocean Currents

Transcript: The most widely disseminated possible consequence of Global Warming is a shift in the course of the Gulf Stream that triggers an Ice Age that sweeps suddenly across the Northern ...

www.dailykos.com

Are you one of those government drones that only believes what the zombie orders you to believe

Your first two citations are effectively the same, the first cites the second ... and your third citation is commercial ...

Of the scientific references, neither support your claim ocean currents will reverse with a reversing magnetic field ... indeed they both specfically state they're only looking at the scalar value associated with the magnetic field ... and in part how Neptune effects this ... something astrologers have been claiming for thousands of years ... interesting and does "suggest" some interaction ... but until they finish their calculations, we won't know how much ...

The wind in the primary driver of ocean current like the Gulf Stream ... I'm sure stronger magnetic fields provide a braking action on the currents, one of many frictional forces at play in these types of systems ... but with the magnitude of magnetism dropping, the friction it causes will also be reduced ... thus having less effect on currents ...

The Gulf Stream flows in the direction is does due to cyclonic motion ... reversing the flow would require the Earth to spin the other way on her axis ... CO2 in the atmosphere won't do that ... obviously ...

I am coming into this in middle and don't have time to read the previous context, but ending the Gulf Stream warming of Europe does not require a change in currents or axis spin of the planet.
All it takes is for cold fresh water melt-off from Greenland to force the heavier warmer salt water of the Gulf stream to subduct down beneath the surface, where it is much colder.
That would prevent Gulf Stream warming of Europe, dropping temperatures there by over 10 degrees F. That is one of many ways how global warming can cause local cooling.
Another is by energying polar storms enough to leave their normal latitudes, and get much further towards the equator than they normally are able to.
Global warming means much more energetic weather, which can many more extreme results.

The problem with that theory is warm water rises.

True, but being warm does not make the salty Gulf Stream lighter than the cold fresh water melt off from Greenland.
I have not done the calculations or observations, but that is what the experts tell me.

Atlantic meridional overturning circulation - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Study: Melting Greenland ice sheet is rapidly slowing the Gulf Stream

Study: Melting Greenland ice sheet is rapidly slowing the Gulf Stream

mashable.com

Emerging impact of Greenland meltwater on deepwater formation in the North Atlantic Ocean | Request PDF

Request PDF | Emerging impact of Greenland meltwater on deepwater formation in the North Atlantic Ocean | The Greenland ice sheet has experienced increasing mass loss since the 1990s. The enhanced freshwater flux due to both surface melt and outlet... | Find, read and cite all the research you...

www.researchgate.net

And the experts are telling you that warm water can somehow be magically transported to depth.....where it will somehow, magically, remain warm.

Please explain how that is possible given the physics that govern our universe.

No, of course not. It is not transported to a deeper depth, but simply deflected.
The Labrador current now is salty and sinks below the warm Gulf Stream.
Get the Labrador to be fresh water instead of salty, and it will be light enough to push the heavier Gulf Stream underneath is.
And of course it is even colder at those depths, so the Gulf Stream will quickly be cooled off.
It will NOT remain warm.