The Post-Trump GOP
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Devils_Advocate
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Why dare and just do it!
Nothing but talk, talk, talk and in 2024 when a Republican win you will celebrate while idiots in California scream they are leaving!
So do it or shut the hell up!
Mac1958
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I keep bringing this up, but I'm convinced that the current Trumpist iteration of the party is essentially a macro-political version of talk radio. In 2016, he saw that 95% of the energy in party was in those people, not the more moderate Republicans, and he went after them with a vengeance. And he never stopped, it was his entire freaking presidency.What's next for the GOP?
A couple of very interesting pieces this morning. Interestingly, much of what they cover includes what we've been talking about here. The anti-Trump types like the Lincoln Project know damn well that he has a vice-like grip on the party, and will even have to consider running separate candidates, which we haven't really talked about here. The party is so afraid of Trump, in fact, that they're not even engaging in the traditional post-mortem for fear of angering him. Holy crap.
At the same time, they did do better than expected down ticket (or was it the Democrats doing worse than expected?), so that just muddies the waters even more. So what do the next few years look like for the GOP?
Never-Trump movement splinters as its villain heads for the exit
"Is there a market for an anti-Trump Republican Party now?” said one prominent member of the anti-Trump Lincoln Project. “I would say no.”www.politico.com
‘Everything’s great’: GOP ditches election post-mortems
Mitt Romney lost by 5 million votes in 2012 and sparked a 100-page RNC autopsy report. Donald Trump lost by 7 million and there isn’t a peep.
Oh, for Trumpsters: Ignore all this, he won, "by a lot", they cheated, he'll stay in office, MAGA.
I don't see how the current itteration of the Republican Party can continue to exist. They have no platform, no plan, they just want to whine about white grievance and do nothing. And they've have utterly abandoned the Constitution in an effort to retain while male dominance of the government and the nation's wealth, at any cost.
When you look at it, Trump didn't manage the affairs of the country at all - other than to cut taxes, and offend your allies. He cut all regulations regardless of their use or purpose causing the quality of both air and water to deteriorate, but it did nothing to improve job creation.
His fiscal policies accelerated the rise of the oligarchs and concentration of wealth at the top, at the expense of an ever shrinking middle class. 8 million people have fallen into poverty since the start of this pandemic, while Trump pushes the nation to get back to work, and tries to cut off aid to the unemployed.
The Republican Party had no platform or 2nd term plan going into the 2020 election, other than whatever Trump decides to do, we're with him. But the electorate, at large, is exhausted and burned out by the chaos in Washington, and by the dysfunction in Congress. Trump really had no plan for after the inauguration either so he just winged it throughout and accomplished very little other than to wreck everything he laid his hands on.
The principle job of government is crisis management, and Republicans are really poor at management of anything. That's why all of the cities are run by Democrats. Look at what passes for crisis management in the pandemic in red states.
Republicans used to have a lot of economic ideas, most of them parroting Milton Friedman and his Chigaco School of Economics free market plan, which eliminated all government regulation of the prices and labour and allowed the "libertarian market" to decide, on the premise that the net result would be an equitable distribution of capital.
Republicans are quick to point to Venzuela, and other South American hellholes as proof positive of the failures of "socialism", but the current economy inequity, poverty and second world nations status of South America is a direct result of Milton Friedman and his capitalism unchained policies. Prices rose, wages dropped, and when the crash came, millions were thrown into poverty, while the rich made out like bandits, using the crashes to further supress wages as desperate people will accept any amount of money rather than starve.
Right now Republicans are trying to cut off unemployment benefits, which Mitch McConnell says will "discourage workers" from taking jobs that pay less than the $2000 a month the government is paying. In Canada, my younger family and friends are complaining they aren't being "allowed" to work, because the $2000 per month isn't really enough to maintain their current lifestyles.
While Americans are trying to get back to "normal", the rest of the world is moving toward what "normal" will look like as we get control of the virus. The Republican Party is trying to end the Republic and establish authoritarian white male rule, to suppress the will of the people. I don't know how you can salvage the GOP from that, or even that you should.
I think the Lincoln Party Republicans need to start their own Party, but one which is working for the good of all of the people, as set out in the Constitution, rather than seeking to pervert the Constitution to the will of the elite. A party with an actual Platform, and programs other than cut taxes, spent money on the military, and put it all on the credit card, because that's not working. Nor is the supression of racial minorities.
As it turns out, talk radio doesn't translate. It does what it is modeled to do: Create and feed into anger and frustration for ratings.
And you're right, the anti-Trumpsters may need to go for short term pain for long term gain. They may have to just rip the scab off now and go their own way. And I very much wonder how many in the party only voted for Trump because of the (R), and would rather just go the more sane direction.
The Lincoln people may have to burn it down and look long term.
bripat9643
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Just to irritate you, moron.
Why dare and just do it!
Nothing but talk, talk, talk and in 2024 when a Republican win you will celebrate while idiots in California scream they are leaving!
So do it or shut the hell up!
Yeah, why don't you start a Civil War? What's the big deal?
Devils_Advocate
Diamond Member
Covid did hurt him because it allowed more people to vote, well it got more people to vote and it cost him big time.
Trump just like Hillary should own their own demise and had they been a true leader they would have risen above it all and won.
Sure Comey did harm Hillary and so did Russian trolls and hackers and Jill Stein and Bernie hurt her also but let be factual and Hillary just like Trump can and many times are their own worst enemies and their arrogance cost them...
Do I actually believe Biden won because he was so damn popular or that Trump cost himself this election with how he has acted over the year and people losing their jobs, family members and knowing 2021 could be much darker than this year?
As fools that still believe Trump was cheated, well they also believed Obama was born in Kenya, so you must know those idiots believe anything as long it fit in their reality which is a dark and twisted nightmare...
Devils_Advocate
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I keep bringing this up, but I'm convinced that the current Trumpist iteration of the party is essentially a macro-political version of talk radio. In 2016, he saw that 95% of the energy in party was in those people, not the more moderate Republicans, and he went after them with a vengeance. And he never stopped, it was his entire freaking presidency.What's next for the GOP?
A couple of very interesting pieces this morning. Interestingly, much of what they cover includes what we've been talking about here. The anti-Trump types like the Lincoln Project know damn well that he has a vice-like grip on the party, and will even have to consider running separate candidates, which we haven't really talked about here. The party is so afraid of Trump, in fact, that they're not even engaging in the traditional post-mortem for fear of angering him. Holy crap.
At the same time, they did do better than expected down ticket (or was it the Democrats doing worse than expected?), so that just muddies the waters even more. So what do the next few years look like for the GOP?
Never-Trump movement splinters as its villain heads for the exit
"Is there a market for an anti-Trump Republican Party now?” said one prominent member of the anti-Trump Lincoln Project. “I would say no.”‘Everything’s great’: GOP ditches election post-mortems
Mitt Romney lost by 5 million votes in 2012 and sparked a 100-page RNC autopsy report. Donald Trump lost by 7 million and there isn’t a peep.
Oh, for Trumpsters: Ignore all this, he won, "by a lot", they cheated, he'll stay in office, MAGA.
I don't see how the current itteration of the Republican Party can continue to exist. They have no platform, no plan, they just want to whine about white grievance and do nothing. And they've have utterly abandoned the Constitution in an effort to retain while male dominance of the government and the nation's wealth, at any cost.
When you look at it, Trump didn't manage the affairs of the country at all - other than to cut taxes, and offend your allies. He cut all regulations regardless of their use or purpose causing the quality of both air and water to deteriorate, but it did nothing to improve job creation.
His fiscal policies accelerated the rise of the oligarchs and concentration of wealth at the top, at the expense of an ever shrinking middle class. 8 million people have fallen into poverty since the start of this pandemic, while Trump pushes the nation to get back to work, and tries to cut off aid to the unemployed.
The Republican Party had no platform or 2nd term plan going into the 2020 election, other than whatever Trump decides to do, we're with him. But the electorate, at large, is exhausted and burned out by the chaos in Washington, and by the dysfunction in Congress. Trump really had no plan for after the inauguration either so he just winged it throughout and accomplished very little other than to wreck everything he laid his hands on.
The principle job of government is crisis management, and Republicans are really poor at management of anything. That's why all of the cities are run by Democrats. Look at what passes for crisis management in the pandemic in red states.
Republicans used to have a lot of economic ideas, most of them parroting Milton Friedman and his Chigaco School of Economics free market plan, which eliminated all government regulation of the prices and labour and allowed the "libertarian market" to decide, on the premise that the net result would be an equitable distribution of capital.
Republicans are quick to point to Venzuela, and other South American hellholes as proof positive of the failures of "socialism", but the current economy inequity, poverty and second world nations status of South America is a direct result of Milton Friedman and his capitalism unchained policies. Prices rose, wages dropped, and when the crash came, millions were thrown into poverty, while the rich made out like bandits, using the crashes to further supress wages as desperate people will accept any amount of money rather than starve.
Right now Republicans are trying to cut off unemployment benefits, which Mitch McConnell says will "discourage workers" from taking jobs that pay less than the $2000 a month the government is paying. In Canada, my younger family and friends are complaining they aren't being "allowed" to work, because the $2000 per month isn't really enough to maintain their current lifestyles.
While Americans are trying to get back to "normal", the rest of the world is moving toward what "normal" will look like as we get control of the virus. The Republican Party is trying to end the Republic and establish authoritarian white male rule, to suppress the will of the people. I don't know how you can salvage the GOP from that, or even that you should.
I think the Lincoln Party Republicans need to start their own Party, but one which is working for the good of all of the people, as set out in the Constitution, rather than seeking to pervert the Constitution to the will of the elite. A party with an actual Platform, and programs other than cut taxes, spent money on the military, and put it all on the credit card, because that's not working. Nor is the supression of racial minorities.
As it turns out, talk radio doesn't translate. It does what it is modeled to do: Create and feed into anger and frustration for ratings.
And you're right, the anti-Trumpsters may need to go for short term pain for long term gain. They may have to just rip the scab off now and go their own way. And I very much wonder how many in the party only voted for Trump because of the (R), and would rather just go the more sane direction.
The Lincoln people may have to burn it down and look long term.
Those like me which is those that supported the Lincoln Project believe the party need a purge and a reset.
The GOP need it next Reagan after Trump doing a poor version of Nixon!
bripat9643
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You can't count the never Trumpers on your fingers and toes. Listening to some leftwinger whine about "more moderate Republicans" is enough to make you want to vomit. You're the one who keeps denying that you're a moderate, aren't you? We'll just take that post as an admission that you're a winger.I keep bringing this up, but I'm convinced that the current Trumpist iteration of the party is essentially a macro-political version of talk radio. In 2016, he saw that 95% of the energy in party was in those people, not the more moderate Republicans, and he went after them with a vengeance. And he never stopped, it was his entire freaking presidency.What's next for the GOP?
A couple of very interesting pieces this morning. Interestingly, much of what they cover includes what we've been talking about here. The anti-Trump types like the Lincoln Project know damn well that he has a vice-like grip on the party, and will even have to consider running separate candidates, which we haven't really talked about here. The party is so afraid of Trump, in fact, that they're not even engaging in the traditional post-mortem for fear of angering him. Holy crap.
At the same time, they did do better than expected down ticket (or was it the Democrats doing worse than expected?), so that just muddies the waters even more. So what do the next few years look like for the GOP?
Never-Trump movement splinters as its villain heads for the exit
"Is there a market for an anti-Trump Republican Party now?” said one prominent member of the anti-Trump Lincoln Project. “I would say no.”‘Everything’s great’: GOP ditches election post-mortems
Mitt Romney lost by 5 million votes in 2012 and sparked a 100-page RNC autopsy report. Donald Trump lost by 7 million and there isn’t a peep.
Oh, for Trumpsters: Ignore all this, he won, "by a lot", they cheated, he'll stay in office, MAGA.
I don't see how the current itteration of the Republican Party can continue to exist. They have no platform, no plan, they just want to whine about white grievance and do nothing. And they've have utterly abandoned the Constitution in an effort to retain while male dominance of the government and the nation's wealth, at any cost.
When you look at it, Trump didn't manage the affairs of the country at all - other than to cut taxes, and offend your allies. He cut all regulations regardless of their use or purpose causing the quality of both air and water to deteriorate, but it did nothing to improve job creation.
His fiscal policies accelerated the rise of the oligarchs and concentration of wealth at the top, at the expense of an ever shrinking middle class. 8 million people have fallen into poverty since the start of this pandemic, while Trump pushes the nation to get back to work, and tries to cut off aid to the unemployed.
The Republican Party had no platform or 2nd term plan going into the 2020 election, other than whatever Trump decides to do, we're with him. But the electorate, at large, is exhausted and burned out by the chaos in Washington, and by the dysfunction in Congress. Trump really had no plan for after the inauguration either so he just winged it throughout and accomplished very little other than to wreck everything he laid his hands on.
The principle job of government is crisis management, and Republicans are really poor at management of anything. That's why all of the cities are run by Democrats. Look at what passes for crisis management in the pandemic in red states.
Republicans used to have a lot of economic ideas, most of them parroting Milton Friedman and his Chigaco School of Economics free market plan, which eliminated all government regulation of the prices and labour and allowed the "libertarian market" to decide, on the premise that the net result would be an equitable distribution of capital.
Republicans are quick to point to Venzuela, and other South American hellholes as proof positive of the failures of "socialism", but the current economy inequity, poverty and second world nations status of South America is a direct result of Milton Friedman and his capitalism unchained policies. Prices rose, wages dropped, and when the crash came, millions were thrown into poverty, while the rich made out like bandits, using the crashes to further supress wages as desperate people will accept any amount of money rather than starve.
Right now Republicans are trying to cut off unemployment benefits, which Mitch McConnell says will "discourage workers" from taking jobs that pay less than the $2000 a month the government is paying. In Canada, my younger family and friends are complaining they aren't being "allowed" to work, because the $2000 per month isn't really enough to maintain their current lifestyles.
While Americans are trying to get back to "normal", the rest of the world is moving toward what "normal" will look like as we get control of the virus. The Republican Party is trying to end the Republic and establish authoritarian white male rule, to suppress the will of the people. I don't know how you can salvage the GOP from that, or even that you should.
I think the Lincoln Party Republicans need to start their own Party, but one which is working for the good of all of the people, as set out in the Constitution, rather than seeking to pervert the Constitution to the will of the elite. A party with an actual Platform, and programs other than cut taxes, spent money on the military, and put it all on the credit card, because that's not working. Nor is the supression of racial minorities.
As it turns out, talk radio doesn't translate. It does what it is modeled to do: Create and feed into anger and frustration for ratings.
And you're right, the anti-Trumpsters may need to go for short term pain for long term gain. They may have to just rip the scab off now and go their own way. And I very much wonder how many in the party only voted for Trump because of the (R), and would rather just go the more sane direction.
The Lincoln people may have to burn it down and look long term.
Good riddance to the anti-Trumpers. You wingers are welcome to them.
Mac1958
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If Trump claims it, it's evidence enough for the flock.There is no evidence election was
the link i provided is the authoritative source: US election infrastructure committee and counsel.
You mean evidence that would be acceptable in a court of law?
No, you ain’t got any
Republican governors, Republican election officials, the Attorney General, Trump-appointed judges, the Supreme Court -- Trump knows more about the law than all of them put together.
Believe me.
Bootney Lee Farnsworth
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What if the the "flock" stayed up on election night and watched the numbers flip while counting had allegedly stopped for the night. That wouldn't be Trump telling us what we saw. That would be our only ******* eyes.
Keep up the attitude. Keep up the "mindless drone" ridicule. It grows our numbers.
Texas is GONE!!!.
It's only a matter of time.
Mac-7
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The never-trumpers are daydreamingWhat's next for the GOP?
A couple of very interesting pieces this morning. Interestingly, much of what they cover includes what we've been talking about here. The anti-Trump types like the Lincoln Project know damn well that he has a vice-like grip on the party, and will even have to consider running separate candidates, which we haven't really talked about here. The party is so afraid of Trump, in fact, that they're not even engaging in the traditional post-mortem for fear of angering him. Holy crap.
At the same time, they did do better than expected down ticket (or was it the Democrats doing worse than expected?), so that just muddies the waters even more. So what do the next few years look like for the GOP?
Never-Trump movement splinters as its villain heads for the exit
"Is there a market for an anti-Trump Republican Party now?” said one prominent member of the anti-Trump Lincoln Project. “I would say no.”‘Everything’s great’: GOP ditches election post-mortems
Mitt Romney lost by 5 million votes in 2012 and sparked a 100-page RNC autopsy report. Donald Trump lost by 7 million and there isn’t a peep.
Oh, for Trumpsters: Ignore all this, he won, "by a lot", they cheated, he'll stay in office, MAGA.
their name is mud in the republican and democrat party
all they can do is deny their guilt in helping to cheat trump voters and hope the anger subsides in time
But if so it will be a very long time in my opinion
Aldo Raine
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bendog
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Oh sure, Hillary's emails and foundation problems were her own making. And Trump's mishandling of covid was his own making. The difference is that Hillary supporters were rational enough to accept her failing.
bendog
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You trumapnzees are 0 for a million in court challenges of vote tabulations by Republican officials. You got nothing but your own delusions and desire for victim status.The never-trumpers are daydreamingWhat's next for the GOP?
A couple of very interesting pieces this morning. Interestingly, much of what they cover includes what we've been talking about here. The anti-Trump types like the Lincoln Project know damn well that he has a vice-like grip on the party, and will even have to consider running separate candidates, which we haven't really talked about here. The party is so afraid of Trump, in fact, that they're not even engaging in the traditional post-mortem for fear of angering him. Holy crap.
At the same time, they did do better than expected down ticket (or was it the Democrats doing worse than expected?), so that just muddies the waters even more. So what do the next few years look like for the GOP?
Never-Trump movement splinters as its villain heads for the exit
"Is there a market for an anti-Trump Republican Party now?” said one prominent member of the anti-Trump Lincoln Project. “I would say no.”‘Everything’s great’: GOP ditches election post-mortems
Mitt Romney lost by 5 million votes in 2012 and sparked a 100-page RNC autopsy report. Donald Trump lost by 7 million and there isn’t a peep.
Oh, for Trumpsters: Ignore all this, he won, "by a lot", they cheated, he'll stay in office, MAGA.
their name is mud in the republican and democrat party
all they can do is deny their guilt in helping to cheat trump voters and hope the anger subsides in time
But if so it will be a very long time in my opinion
bendog
Diamond Member
I don't think the Lincoln people have any votes in the gop.I keep bringing this up, but I'm convinced that the current Trumpist iteration of the party is essentially a macro-political version of talk radio. In 2016, he saw that 95% of the energy in party was in those people, not the more moderate Republicans, and he went after them with a vengeance. And he never stopped, it was his entire freaking presidency.What's next for the GOP?
A couple of very interesting pieces this morning. Interestingly, much of what they cover includes what we've been talking about here. The anti-Trump types like the Lincoln Project know damn well that he has a vice-like grip on the party, and will even have to consider running separate candidates, which we haven't really talked about here. The party is so afraid of Trump, in fact, that they're not even engaging in the traditional post-mortem for fear of angering him. Holy crap.
At the same time, they did do better than expected down ticket (or was it the Democrats doing worse than expected?), so that just muddies the waters even more. So what do the next few years look like for the GOP?
Never-Trump movement splinters as its villain heads for the exit
"Is there a market for an anti-Trump Republican Party now?” said one prominent member of the anti-Trump Lincoln Project. “I would say no.”‘Everything’s great’: GOP ditches election post-mortems
Mitt Romney lost by 5 million votes in 2012 and sparked a 100-page RNC autopsy report. Donald Trump lost by 7 million and there isn’t a peep.
Oh, for Trumpsters: Ignore all this, he won, "by a lot", they cheated, he'll stay in office, MAGA.
I don't see how the current itteration of the Republican Party can continue to exist. They have no platform, no plan, they just want to whine about white grievance and do nothing. And they've have utterly abandoned the Constitution in an effort to retain while male dominance of the government and the nation's wealth, at any cost.
When you look at it, Trump didn't manage the affairs of the country at all - other than to cut taxes, and offend your allies. He cut all regulations regardless of their use or purpose causing the quality of both air and water to deteriorate, but it did nothing to improve job creation.
His fiscal policies accelerated the rise of the oligarchs and concentration of wealth at the top, at the expense of an ever shrinking middle class. 8 million people have fallen into poverty since the start of this pandemic, while Trump pushes the nation to get back to work, and tries to cut off aid to the unemployed.
The Republican Party had no platform or 2nd term plan going into the 2020 election, other than whatever Trump decides to do, we're with him. But the electorate, at large, is exhausted and burned out by the chaos in Washington, and by the dysfunction in Congress. Trump really had no plan for after the inauguration either so he just winged it throughout and accomplished very little other than to wreck everything he laid his hands on.
The principle job of government is crisis management, and Republicans are really poor at management of anything. That's why all of the cities are run by Democrats. Look at what passes for crisis management in the pandemic in red states.
Republicans used to have a lot of economic ideas, most of them parroting Milton Friedman and his Chigaco School of Economics free market plan, which eliminated all government regulation of the prices and labour and allowed the "libertarian market" to decide, on the premise that the net result would be an equitable distribution of capital.
Republicans are quick to point to Venzuela, and other South American hellholes as proof positive of the failures of "socialism", but the current economy inequity, poverty and second world nations status of South America is a direct result of Milton Friedman and his capitalism unchained policies. Prices rose, wages dropped, and when the crash came, millions were thrown into poverty, while the rich made out like bandits, using the crashes to further supress wages as desperate people will accept any amount of money rather than starve.
Right now Republicans are trying to cut off unemployment benefits, which Mitch McConnell says will "discourage workers" from taking jobs that pay less than the $2000 a month the government is paying. In Canada, my younger family and friends are complaining they aren't being "allowed" to work, because the $2000 per month isn't really enough to maintain their current lifestyles.
While Americans are trying to get back to "normal", the rest of the world is moving toward what "normal" will look like as we get control of the virus. The Republican Party is trying to end the Republic and establish authoritarian white male rule, to suppress the will of the people. I don't know how you can salvage the GOP from that, or even that you should.
I think the Lincoln Party Republicans need to start their own Party, but one which is working for the good of all of the people, as set out in the Constitution, rather than seeking to pervert the Constitution to the will of the elite. A party with an actual Platform, and programs other than cut taxes, spent money on the military, and put it all on the credit card, because that's not working. Nor is the supression of racial minorities.
As it turns out, talk radio doesn't translate. It does what it is modeled to do: Create and feed into anger and frustration for ratings.
And you're right, the anti-Trumpsters may need to go for short term pain for long term gain. They may have to just rip the scab off now and go their own way. And I very much wonder how many in the party only voted for Trump because of the (R), and would rather just go the more sane direction.
The Lincoln people may have to burn it down and look long term.
Mac1958
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If that's true, this just keeps getting uglier.I don't think the Lincoln people have any votes in the gop.I keep bringing this up, but I'm convinced that the current Trumpist iteration of the party is essentially a macro-political version of talk radio. In 2016, he saw that 95% of the energy in party was in those people, not the more moderate Republicans, and he went after them with a vengeance. And he never stopped, it was his entire freaking presidency.What's next for the GOP?
A couple of very interesting pieces this morning. Interestingly, much of what they cover includes what we've been talking about here. The anti-Trump types like the Lincoln Project know damn well that he has a vice-like grip on the party, and will even have to consider running separate candidates, which we haven't really talked about here. The party is so afraid of Trump, in fact, that they're not even engaging in the traditional post-mortem for fear of angering him. Holy crap.
At the same time, they did do better than expected down ticket (or was it the Democrats doing worse than expected?), so that just muddies the waters even more. So what do the next few years look like for the GOP?
Never-Trump movement splinters as its villain heads for the exit
"Is there a market for an anti-Trump Republican Party now?” said one prominent member of the anti-Trump Lincoln Project. “I would say no.”‘Everything’s great’: GOP ditches election post-mortems
Mitt Romney lost by 5 million votes in 2012 and sparked a 100-page RNC autopsy report. Donald Trump lost by 7 million and there isn’t a peep.
Oh, for Trumpsters: Ignore all this, he won, "by a lot", they cheated, he'll stay in office, MAGA.
I don't see how the current itteration of the Republican Party can continue to exist. They have no platform, no plan, they just want to whine about white grievance and do nothing. And they've have utterly abandoned the Constitution in an effort to retain while male dominance of the government and the nation's wealth, at any cost.
When you look at it, Trump didn't manage the affairs of the country at all - other than to cut taxes, and offend your allies. He cut all regulations regardless of their use or purpose causing the quality of both air and water to deteriorate, but it did nothing to improve job creation.
His fiscal policies accelerated the rise of the oligarchs and concentration of wealth at the top, at the expense of an ever shrinking middle class. 8 million people have fallen into poverty since the start of this pandemic, while Trump pushes the nation to get back to work, and tries to cut off aid to the unemployed.
The Republican Party had no platform or 2nd term plan going into the 2020 election, other than whatever Trump decides to do, we're with him. But the electorate, at large, is exhausted and burned out by the chaos in Washington, and by the dysfunction in Congress. Trump really had no plan for after the inauguration either so he just winged it throughout and accomplished very little other than to wreck everything he laid his hands on.
The principle job of government is crisis management, and Republicans are really poor at management of anything. That's why all of the cities are run by Democrats. Look at what passes for crisis management in the pandemic in red states.
Republicans used to have a lot of economic ideas, most of them parroting Milton Friedman and his Chigaco School of Economics free market plan, which eliminated all government regulation of the prices and labour and allowed the "libertarian market" to decide, on the premise that the net result would be an equitable distribution of capital.
Republicans are quick to point to Venzuela, and other South American hellholes as proof positive of the failures of "socialism", but the current economy inequity, poverty and second world nations status of South America is a direct result of Milton Friedman and his capitalism unchained policies. Prices rose, wages dropped, and when the crash came, millions were thrown into poverty, while the rich made out like bandits, using the crashes to further supress wages as desperate people will accept any amount of money rather than starve.
Right now Republicans are trying to cut off unemployment benefits, which Mitch McConnell says will "discourage workers" from taking jobs that pay less than the $2000 a month the government is paying. In Canada, my younger family and friends are complaining they aren't being "allowed" to work, because the $2000 per month isn't really enough to maintain their current lifestyles.
While Americans are trying to get back to "normal", the rest of the world is moving toward what "normal" will look like as we get control of the virus. The Republican Party is trying to end the Republic and establish authoritarian white male rule, to suppress the will of the people. I don't know how you can salvage the GOP from that, or even that you should.
I think the Lincoln Party Republicans need to start their own Party, but one which is working for the good of all of the people, as set out in the Constitution, rather than seeking to pervert the Constitution to the will of the elite. A party with an actual Platform, and programs other than cut taxes, spent money on the military, and put it all on the credit card, because that's not working. Nor is the supression of racial minorities.
As it turns out, talk radio doesn't translate. It does what it is modeled to do: Create and feed into anger and frustration for ratings.
And you're right, the anti-Trumpsters may need to go for short term pain for long term gain. They may have to just rip the scab off now and go their own way. And I very much wonder how many in the party only voted for Trump because of the (R), and would rather just go the more sane direction.
The Lincoln people may have to burn it down and look long term.
Mac-7
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The votes were not stolen at republican polling places
the fraud took place in voting districts that had a democrat voting majority based on the last election
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bendog
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I dunno. I just think that the Never Trumpers like me left the gop years ago. That doesn't mean the issues of Trump are dead, or even losers politically. Biden's in for a rough shock if the borders are just opened up again. Trump's mistreatment of children in inexcusable, and he NEVER punished the US employers, but his workplace raids and flooding the immigration courts to make them deportation courts does appear to have helped lessen illegal immigration. Trump achieved full employment by upping deficits in an expansion … that is NOT helpful to the middle class, but I don't see anyone winning a nomination without a populist bent. Biden also wanted out of Afghan … but we are mostly out.If that's true, this just keeps getting uglier.I don't think the Lincoln people have any votes in the gop.I keep bringing this up, but I'm convinced that the current Trumpist iteration of the party is essentially a macro-political version of talk radio. In 2016, he saw that 95% of the energy in party was in those people, not the more moderate Republicans, and he went after them with a vengeance. And he never stopped, it was his entire freaking presidency.What's next for the GOP?
A couple of very interesting pieces this morning. Interestingly, much of what they cover includes what we've been talking about here. The anti-Trump types like the Lincoln Project know damn well that he has a vice-like grip on the party, and will even have to consider running separate candidates, which we haven't really talked about here. The party is so afraid of Trump, in fact, that they're not even engaging in the traditional post-mortem for fear of angering him. Holy crap.
At the same time, they did do better than expected down ticket (or was it the Democrats doing worse than expected?), so that just muddies the waters even more. So what do the next few years look like for the GOP?
Never-Trump movement splinters as its villain heads for the exit
"Is there a market for an anti-Trump Republican Party now?” said one prominent member of the anti-Trump Lincoln Project. “I would say no.”‘Everything’s great’: GOP ditches election post-mortems
Mitt Romney lost by 5 million votes in 2012 and sparked a 100-page RNC autopsy report. Donald Trump lost by 7 million and there isn’t a peep.
Oh, for Trumpsters: Ignore all this, he won, "by a lot", they cheated, he'll stay in office, MAGA.
I don't see how the current itteration of the Republican Party can continue to exist. They have no platform, no plan, they just want to whine about white grievance and do nothing. And they've have utterly abandoned the Constitution in an effort to retain while male dominance of the government and the nation's wealth, at any cost.
When you look at it, Trump didn't manage the affairs of the country at all - other than to cut taxes, and offend your allies. He cut all regulations regardless of their use or purpose causing the quality of both air and water to deteriorate, but it did nothing to improve job creation.
His fiscal policies accelerated the rise of the oligarchs and concentration of wealth at the top, at the expense of an ever shrinking middle class. 8 million people have fallen into poverty since the start of this pandemic, while Trump pushes the nation to get back to work, and tries to cut off aid to the unemployed.
The Republican Party had no platform or 2nd term plan going into the 2020 election, other than whatever Trump decides to do, we're with him. But the electorate, at large, is exhausted and burned out by the chaos in Washington, and by the dysfunction in Congress. Trump really had no plan for after the inauguration either so he just winged it throughout and accomplished very little other than to wreck everything he laid his hands on.
The principle job of government is crisis management, and Republicans are really poor at management of anything. That's why all of the cities are run by Democrats. Look at what passes for crisis management in the pandemic in red states.
Republicans used to have a lot of economic ideas, most of them parroting Milton Friedman and his Chigaco School of Economics free market plan, which eliminated all government regulation of the prices and labour and allowed the "libertarian market" to decide, on the premise that the net result would be an equitable distribution of capital.
Republicans are quick to point to Venzuela, and other South American hellholes as proof positive of the failures of "socialism", but the current economy inequity, poverty and second world nations status of South America is a direct result of Milton Friedman and his capitalism unchained policies. Prices rose, wages dropped, and when the crash came, millions were thrown into poverty, while the rich made out like bandits, using the crashes to further supress wages as desperate people will accept any amount of money rather than starve.
Right now Republicans are trying to cut off unemployment benefits, which Mitch McConnell says will "discourage workers" from taking jobs that pay less than the $2000 a month the government is paying. In Canada, my younger family and friends are complaining they aren't being "allowed" to work, because the $2000 per month isn't really enough to maintain their current lifestyles.
While Americans are trying to get back to "normal", the rest of the world is moving toward what "normal" will look like as we get control of the virus. The Republican Party is trying to end the Republic and establish authoritarian white male rule, to suppress the will of the people. I don't know how you can salvage the GOP from that, or even that you should.
I think the Lincoln Party Republicans need to start their own Party, but one which is working for the good of all of the people, as set out in the Constitution, rather than seeking to pervert the Constitution to the will of the elite. A party with an actual Platform, and programs other than cut taxes, spent money on the military, and put it all on the credit card, because that's not working. Nor is the supression of racial minorities.
As it turns out, talk radio doesn't translate. It does what it is modeled to do: Create and feed into anger and frustration for ratings.
And you're right, the anti-Trumpsters may need to go for short term pain for long term gain. They may have to just rip the scab off now and go their own way. And I very much wonder how many in the party only voted for Trump because of the (R), and would rather just go the more sane direction.
The Lincoln people may have to burn it down and look long term.
Trump is a loser and not because of cheating. HE's an asshole who fucked up on covid. But on the issues, the gop may be changed
bendog
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He is not in a reality based universe. LOL
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