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attend mass and partake of the EUCHARIST. -----in Hebrew the term is KIDDUSH----which refers to the sanctification of
the bread and wine
Ok, but the RCC does not have crackers, we have bread. You grew up in a different environment than I did. The UP of Mi is still and was very different than NY I'm sure. In your day it and Ca was the bread basket of the US, and in Mi we were mainly RC and Lutheran. All of our Priests and Nuns were very nice.
I did not grow up in NY I came to NY as an adult-----in fact a good part of my adult life was NOT spent in NY. In my childhood town-----the following recipe produces a CRACKER-----not "bread" My town was approximately 1/2 protestant and 1/2 catholic-----with a sprinkling of jews when I hit town at age four
COMMUNION WAFERS
2 c. whole wheat flour
1/2 tsp. salt
3/4 c. oil (6 tbsp.)
1/2 c. water
Sift flour with salt. Blend oil and cold water. Pour over flour and mix into soft ball. Knead a few minutes. Roll out very thin. Mark off with knife into 1 inch squares. Bake in moderate oven at 350 degrees until golden brown.
My maternal grandfather was a baker by trade-----bread includes a longer process----and YEAST
We do not chew it like a cracker and its white and round, like a host, the shape of the sun, not like Baptist churches where they pass crackers around. What NJ. Same thing.
the sun is called a "host"??? It is a very thin wafer like cracker and ----because of the AMYLASE in the saliva--the
wafer dissolves in the mouth. You remember AMYLASE all health care providers know AMYLASE
The shape, as Jesus is also the light of the world.
Jesus is the bread of Life, not the cracker of life.
Oh----I should have said WAFER------cracker has other connotations-------I was not aware of the poetic allusion to
Jesus as the "bread of life"-------I had been taught that the wafer-----MYSTERIOUSLY, in a kind of spiritual way turns into
the "body of Christ" A very solemn ceremony----I witnessed it but did not partake. In the very similar "KIDDUSH" ceremony-----the bread stays bread and---LUCKILY the wine
remains wine. ----I have been told that it is not nice to swallow the whole thing
Jesus is the bread of Life, not the cracker of life.
Oh----I should have said WAFER------cracker has other connotations-------I was not aware of the poetic allusion to
Jesus as the "bread of life"-------I had been taught that the wafer-----MYSTERIOUSLY, in a kind of spiritual way turns into
the "body of Christ" A very solemn ceremony----I witnessed it but did not partake. In the very similar "KIDDUSH" ceremony-----the bread stays bread and---LUCKILY the wine
remains wine. ----I have been told that it is not nice to swallow the whole thing
No its not nice to chew it, you put it to the roof of your mouth and it slides right down, sometimes it take maneuvering your tongue a bit to get it down, but you shall not chew it. I've heard the wine taste like wine, but never had it, when young we are not allowed, and since everyone drank out of the same cup, as an adult I would not drink. One does not need to drink the wine, as the Eucharist turns into the body and blood of Jesus, wholly , so partaking of the wine Is not necessary.
Jesus is the bread of Life, not the cracker of life.
Oh----I should have said WAFER------cracker has other connotations-------I was not aware of the poetic allusion to
Jesus as the "bread of life"-------I had been taught that the wafer-----MYSTERIOUSLY, in a kind of spiritual way turns into
the "body of Christ" A very solemn ceremony----I witnessed it but did not partake. In the very similar "KIDDUSH" ceremony-----the bread stays bread and---LUCKILY the wine
remains wine. ----I have been told that it is not nice to swallow the whole thing
No its not nice to chew it, you put it to the roof of your mouth and it slides right down, sometimes it take maneuvering your tongue a bit to get it down, but you shall not chew it. I've heard the wine taste like wine, but never had it, when young we are not allowed, and since everyone drank out of the same cup, as an adult I would not drink. One does not need to drink the wine, as the Eucharist turns into the body and blood of Jesus, wholly , so partaking of the wine Is not necessary.
if it were bread-----you would have to chew-----it's a cracker
Ok, but the RCC does not have crackers, we have bread. You grew up in a different environment than I did. The UP of Mi is still and was very different than NY I'm sure. In your day it and Ca was the bread basket of the US, and in Mi we were mainly RC and Lutheran. All of our Priests and Nuns were very nice.
I did not grow up in NY I came to NY as an adult-----in fact a good part of my adult life was NOT spent in NY. In my childhood town-----the following recipe produces a CRACKER-----not "bread" My town was approximately 1/2 protestant and 1/2 catholic-----with a sprinkling of jews when I hit town at age four
COMMUNION WAFERS
2 c. whole wheat flour
1/2 tsp. salt
3/4 c. oil (6 tbsp.)
1/2 c. water
Sift flour with salt. Blend oil and cold water. Pour over flour and mix into soft ball. Knead a few minutes. Roll out very thin. Mark off with knife into 1 inch squares. Bake in moderate oven at 350 degrees until golden brown.
My maternal grandfather was a baker by trade-----bread includes a longer process----and YEAST
We do not chew it like a cracker and its white and round, like a host, the shape of the sun, not like Baptist churches where they pass crackers around. What NJ. Same thing.
the sun is called a "host"??? It is a very thin wafer like cracker and ----because of the AMYLASE in the saliva--the
wafer dissolves in the mouth. You remember AMYLASE all health care providers know AMYLASE
The shape, as Jesus is also the light of the world.
oh-----I kinda thought that round flat patty was just the
convenient way to make them. A very interesting bit of
etymology-------the word PAT-----according to hubby, is a very ancient ---in the semitic world ---- word for bread -----kinda like something PATTED out and baked on a hot rock. -----
like a tortilla----OR chaPATtis------the indian flat bread.
Pita is the feminine diminutive for the word PAT
I did not grow up in NY I came to NY as an adult-----in fact a good part of my adult life was NOT spent in NY. In my childhood town-----the following recipe produces a CRACKER-----not "bread" My town was approximately 1/2 protestant and 1/2 catholic-----with a sprinkling of jews when I hit town at age four
COMMUNION WAFERS
2 c. whole wheat flour
1/2 tsp. salt
3/4 c. oil (6 tbsp.)
1/2 c. water
Sift flour with salt. Blend oil and cold water. Pour over flour and mix into soft ball. Knead a few minutes. Roll out very thin. Mark off with knife into 1 inch squares. Bake in moderate oven at 350 degrees until golden brown.
My maternal grandfather was a baker by trade-----bread includes a longer process----and YEAST
We do not chew it like a cracker and its white and round, like a host, the shape of the sun, not like Baptist churches where they pass crackers around. What NJ. Same thing.
the sun is called a "host"??? It is a very thin wafer like cracker and ----because of the AMYLASE in the saliva--the
wafer dissolves in the mouth. You remember AMYLASE all health care providers know AMYLASE
The shape, as Jesus is also the light of the world.
oh-----I kinda thought that round flat patty was just the
convenient way to make them. A very interesting bit of
etymology-------the word PAT-----according to hubby, is a very ancient ---in the semitic world ---- word for bread -----kinda like something PATTED out and baked on a hot rock. -----
like a tortilla----OR chaPATtis------the indian flat bread.
Pita is the feminine diminutive for the word PAT
No its symbolic. Interesting, I wonder if the name Pat didn't come from that. Now bread means money, because one needs money to buy bread, unless one goes to Mass daily.
We do not chew it like a cracker and its white and round, like a host, the shape of the sun, not like Baptist churches where they pass crackers around. What NJ. Same thing.
the sun is called a "host"??? It is a very thin wafer like cracker and ----because of the AMYLASE in the saliva--the
wafer dissolves in the mouth. You remember AMYLASE all health care providers know AMYLASE
The shape, as Jesus is also the light of the world.
oh-----I kinda thought that round flat patty was just the
convenient way to make them. A very interesting bit of
etymology-------the word PAT-----according to hubby, is a very ancient ---in the semitic world ---- word for bread -----kinda like something PATTED out and baked on a hot rock. -----
like a tortilla----OR chaPATtis------the indian flat bread.
Pita is the feminine diminutive for the word PAT
No its symbolic. Interesting, I wonder if the name Pat didn't come from that. Now bread means money, because one needs money to buy bread, unless one goes to Mass daily.
nope---this stuff goes back to the area where the semitic languages were born----what interests me is the word
CHAPATIS -------which according to Mr Google actually ORIGINATED in the Indus valley ---(?) Sanskrit
As for the wafer being SYMBOLIC----long ago in my readings I came upon (from a catholic source) a case of a PRIEST who was executed by the Inquisition for refusing to accept the idea that the wafer did not MAGICALLY turn into ----THE BODY OF CHRIST he was executed for heresy. According to Canon law-------YOU DONE JUST HERESIED
To heal a leper you don't reject them and refuse them help .Pope says Church should ask forgiveness from gays for past treatment
Look, the facts are not in dispute:
(a) The Bible, in several places, either states or implies that homosexual practices are seriously "sinful," or against God's laws. No need to document them here. No Pope can change Scripture.
(b) No one can be faulted for having an inclination to sin. Everyone is inclined to sin.
(c) There is no Biblical or moral (or even ethical) principle that legitimately claims that everyone has a "God-given" right to a desired form of sexual congress with any class of people. Single people have no moral right to copulate with anyone, regardless of gender. Married people have no moral right to copulate with anyone other than their spouse, no matter how much they "love" the person, or even if the spouse refuses to have sex. The fact that such copulation may be "harmless" does not really carry the moral argument.
(d) A person who is an "avowed" or "open" homosexual, or who is openly living in a homosexual relationship, is not only committing moral transgressions ("sins"), but is overtly proclaiming an intention to continue with that sinful behavior. It is this overt intention that makes it impossible for the RC Church to accept such people as members in good standing (specifically, able to receive Holy Communion), because even if past sins are told in confession, there is no intention to "sin no more," which is a prerequisite to obtaining absolution.
(e) Unlike other religions (e.g., the U.S. Episcopal Church), Catholics cannot vote to repeal longstanding moral principles based on Scripture. Thus, "practicing" homosexuals can NEVER be members-in-good-standing of the Catholic Church.
(f) There is nothing genetic that forces homosexuals to adopt the affectations that many of them do. It is entirely a form of "advertising" one's homosexuality. Thus, if a homosexual wants to go to Church, or even join a parish, based on a personal decision to ignore the Church's teachings on same-sex sodomy, there is nothing preventing him from doing so. In fact, he would be welcomed by the parish community, most of which is Leftist, and even if his sexual orientation were to become known to many individuals, it would make no difference.
(g) The rules for Lesbians are the same, but probably don't apply as broadly. For many lesbians, especially the ones over 50, sexual activity is sporadic or non-existent, and the fact that two women are living together is not particularly significant, morally speaking.
The Church don't need to apologize for nothing. If a Church official publicly states that homosexual sodomy is a "Mortal Sin" that is immoral and prevents the person from being truly a Roman Catholic...well, if the truth hurts you, that's your problem not the Church's problem. Anyone coming into a Church and acknowledging homosexual intentions, but manifesting a desire to remain celibate, will be welcomed with open arms. There are such people, but you don't read about them in People Magazine.
Sorry.
yeah----ok ----none of it is anything other than the
KIDDUSH----the sanctification prayer----recited over bread and wine by jews------INCESSANTLY
yeah----ok ----none of it is anything other than the
KIDDUSH----the sanctification prayer----recited over bread and wine by jews------INCESSANTLY
No its different, a Priest needs to bless it perfectly for it to change into the body and blood of Jesus. Only a Priest can do this.
yeah----ok ----none of it is anything other than the
KIDDUSH----the sanctification prayer----recited over bread and wine by jews------INCESSANTLY
No its different, a Priest needs to bless it perfectly for it to change into the body and blood of Jesus. Only a Priest can do this.
oh-----ok---magic
yeah----ok ----none of it is anything other than the
KIDDUSH----the sanctification prayer----recited over bread and wine by jews------INCESSANTLY
No its different, a Priest needs to bless it perfectly for it to change into the body and blood of Jesus. Only a Priest can do this.
oh-----ok---magic
Yes its magical alright .
