CDZ The Party of Trump will be Gone some Day, what then?

[CrusaderFrank]

The Party of Trump will be Gone some Day, what then?

It may happen in 2020, or Jan of 2021 or even Jan 2025 but it's going to happen. What then? Let's face it, you can't call the Party of Trump the Republican Party. The Republican Party is pretty much silent these days. When Trump leaves, it's going to leave a huge vacuum. Let's face it, a person like Trump only comes along once in a hundred years or so. Don't look for a replacement from the Party of Trump. There isn't one. It's one man. And when his time runs out, the Party is gone. The same thing happened to the Patriot Party with Perot.

So we need to rebuild the Republican Party. Where do we start? Obviously, there are going to be a lot of casualties in the process of those Rs that became staunch members of the Party of Trump and dare to call themselves Republicans. Some will weather it and others won't. I predict that the GOP would be forced to bring up an old hand for 2020 if Trump is out of the Picture and even in 2024 and that would be Paul Ryan. But that would not be a winner either. While I think it would be a good choice, the Trumpers will be seething and light the place on fire rather than vote for Paul Ryan. So even if Trump does go to 2024, the Republican Party is dead.

That means, it must be rebuilt for the 2028 year. And even then, there may still be enough of the hate and venom left that even 2028 may be a bad year for the Republicans. And I don't mean the Party of Trump which dies Politically when Trump leaves office. Like I said before, the party of Trump is one man and only one man and another one like him is not going to be seen for another hundred years in America.

What we need to do is start to rebuild now as a 3rd Party as the Republican Party. Call it "The New Republican Party" adopting the old GOP planks and ideologies. One of the other posters posted what the GOP once stood for and I hope he reposts it again here.

This isn't about the Democrat Party. It's about rebuilding the Republican Party back to the days it once was the Grand Old Party. Let the Democrat Party do whatever the hell it wants to do. But we need to rebuild back to the days of Ike.

Let's hear some constructive inputs on this one. Sorry, it's not about the party of Trump or the Democrat Party. It's about the rebuilding of the GOP to the time it earned the name of GOP.

Once we relocate the democrat leadership to North Korea, it will only look like Republicans disappear

 

[Polishprince]

Well, it appears that one question has been answered. What will the remnants of the Party of Trump do when Trump leaves office? Will they work to rebuild the tattered and wounded Republican Party? No. It's pretty obvious. They are going to try and burn things to the ground. So be it.

So we don't pay any attention to them. We work to get the Republican Party back to the days it was a Grand Old Party without the aid of the John Birch Society that has hijacked it as of late. BTW, I saw the same bunch hijack the Tea Party as well and you see where the Tea Party is today.

It really depends on the political skills, proposals and attitudes of the New Moderate Republican Leader. If when President Trump leaves the political scene, there are no heirs, the Bush Family, and the Romneys, and John Kasich will take over and be able to make their proposals and earn their votes. If they don't bother, the "remnants of the Party of Trump" will consider other candidates or head back to their barstools in American hinterlands. But I suspect they will make a pitch, and we'll see what it looks like.

The key issue is going to be, what will Paul Ryan- the presumptive Moderate GOP candidate in 2024- say when Chelsea Clinton accuses Ryan's Trumpian supporters of being racist, nazi homophobes? If he doesn't stand up for his supporters, they won't be his supporters for long

 

[JoeB131]

It may happen in 2020, or Jan of 2021 or even Jan 2025 but it's going to happen. What then? Let's face it, you can't call the Party of Trump the Republican Party. The Republican Party is pretty much silent these days. When Trump leaves, it's going to leave a huge vacuum. Let's face it, a person like Trump only comes along once in a hundred years or so. Don't look for a replacement from the Party of Trump. There isn't one. It's one man. And when his time runs out, the Party is gone. The same thing happened to the Patriot Party with Perot.

So we need to rebuild the Republican Party. Where do we start? Obviously, there are going to be a lot of casualties in the process of those Rs that became staunch members of the Party of Trump and dare to call themselves Republicans. Some will weather it and others won't. I predict that the GOP would be forced to bring up an old hand for 2020 if Trump is out of the Picture and even in 2024 and that would be Paul Ryan. But that would not be a winner either. While I think it would be a good choice, the Trumpers will be seething and light the place on fire rather than vote for Paul Ryan. So even if Trump does go to 2024, the Republican Party is dead.

The Reform Party (Not the Patriot Party) didn't outlast Perot by much because he was bankrolling it.

The GOP was around long before Trump, and will be around long after he's gone.

The problem with your analysis is that you think Trump is the problem. He isn't. He's just a symptom. He isn't the disease, he's just the rash it broke out into.

The GOP has worked on the premise of getting working class whites to vote against their own economic interests since 1968, when Richard Nixon employed the Southern Strategy and was going to save us from all those Hippies. Every Republican since then has done a version of this. Reagan's "Welfare Queen", Bush's' "Willie Horton" ads. Get white people scared based on their racial, religious and sexual fears. The proceed to dismantle the middle class based on their fears.

Trump is just what happens when all you have left is the hate and no real alternatives.

 

[Polishprince]

It may happen in 2020, or Jan of 2021 or even Jan 2025 but it's going to happen. What then? Let's face it, you can't call the Party of Trump the Republican Party. The Republican Party is pretty much silent these days. When Trump leaves, it's going to leave a huge vacuum. Let's face it, a person like Trump only comes along once in a hundred years or so. Don't look for a replacement from the Party of Trump. There isn't one. It's one man. And when his time runs out, the Party is gone. The same thing happened to the Patriot Party with Perot.

So we need to rebuild the Republican Party. Where do we start? Obviously, there are going to be a lot of casualties in the process of those Rs that became staunch members of the Party of Trump and dare to call themselves Republicans. Some will weather it and others won't. I predict that the GOP would be forced to bring up an old hand for 2020 if Trump is out of the Picture and even in 2024 and that would be Paul Ryan. But that would not be a winner either. While I think it would be a good choice, the Trumpers will be seething and light the place on fire rather than vote for Paul Ryan. So even if Trump does go to 2024, the Republican Party is dead.

The Reform Party (Not the Patriot Party) didn't outlast Perot by much because he was bankrolling it.

The GOP was around long before Trump, and will be around long after he's gone.

The problem with your analysis is that you think Trump is the problem. He isn't. He's just a symptom. He isn't the disease, he's just the rash it broke out into.

The GOP has worked on the premise of getting working class whites to vote against their own economic interests since 1968, when Richard Nixon employed the Southern Strategy and was going to save us from all those Hippies. Every Republican since then has done a version of this. Reagan's "Welfare Queen", Bush's' "Willie Horton" ads. Get white people scared based on their racial, religious and sexual fears. The proceed to dismantle the middle class based on their fears.

Trump is just what happens when all you have left is the hate and no real alternatives.

It has nothing to do with Republican or Trump rhetoric or scare tactics.

The nation suffered through 8 years of Obamunism, the people saw what a failure that was. How health care degenerated, how American respect abroad collapsed, how taxes and joblessness soared.

 

[Olde Europe]

We work to get the Republican Party back to the days it was a Grand Old Party without the aid of the John Birch Society that has hijacked it as of late. BTW, I saw the same bunch hijack the Tea Party as well and you see where the Tea Party is today.

With all due respect, Daryl, the GOP's problem is not the Birch Society, it's the 40% of the electorate standing behind Trump exactly for his misogyny, vulgarity, and his racism. They are the ones keeping the GOP afloat, and they are the ones who are on a sugar high these years. What are you, working to set up an honorable party, going to do with them? They aren't suddenly going to find reason and decency, along with a media environment catering to same. How are you going to achieve that?

For if you don't, you would have to make significant inroads with minorities, suburban voters, and progressive urban dwellers, and that looks exceedingly unlikely. So, whence are the voters for that honorable party, valuing Americans of all strands of life, going to come?

 

[JoeB131]

It has nothing to do with Republican or Trump rhetoric or scare tactics.

The nation suffered through 8 years of Obamunism, the people saw what a failure that was. How health care degenerated, how American respect abroad collapsed, how taxes and joblessness soared.

Okay, funny thing. When Obama took office, the Stock Market was bottoming out and unemployment was at 10%.

When he left, it was less than 5% and the Stock Market tripled.

Oh, yeah, and 3 million more people voted for Hillary, so we know what the people wanted.

 

[Polishprince]

For if you don't, you would have to make significant inroads with minorities, suburban voters, and progressive urban dwellers, and that looks exceedingly unlikely. So, whence are the voters for that honorable party, valuing Americans of all strands of life, going to come?

I think the Moderate Republicans have a long term strategy. Build the party over time. Basically surrender the reins of state to the Democrats and serve as a loyal minority party, and 30 or 40 years down the road, the electorate might be willing to moderate the massive socialistic state that will be constructed- perhaps even introduce some modest free enterprise ideals.

 

[Oldstyle]

Can you tell us what the Democrat party has to offer America.....perhaps a comparison between the 2 and what one thinks will happen within the next 20 years or so, would be a benefit to all.

I don't think that either the party of Trump nor the Democratic Party should even enter into the discussion. It will just start or keep the eternal fight going. Let's face it, both existing parties really don't represent the majority anymore like the old GOP did in it's day. Ike represented America in a way that no President has even done since. And he laid the foundation even for the next two Democrat Presidents. And he even had a huge effect in some of what Reagan accomplished. Looking at the GOP during that time is the Gold Standard.

He asked you what the Party had to OFFER, Daryl...not what they purported to "represent"! It's telling that you don't really have a response to such an easy question.

 

[Oldstyle]

It has nothing to do with Republican or Trump rhetoric or scare tactics.

The nation suffered through 8 years of Obamunism, the people saw what a failure that was. How health care degenerated, how American respect abroad collapsed, how taxes and joblessness soared.

Okay, funny thing. When Obama took office, the Stock Market was bottoming out and unemployment was at 10%.

When he left, it was less than 5% and the Stock Market tripled.

Oh, yeah, and 3 million more people voted for Hillary, so we know what the people wanted.

Too bad Barry had little to do with either the Stock Market rebound or the creation of jobs, Joey! He's the guy that oversaw the worst recovery from a recession since The Great Depression. What the Obama Presidency shows is that the American economy is strong enough to make a come back even when there are people running the country that are clueless when it comes to economics!

 

[wamose]

When the party of Trump is gone, it won't be long until we're all speaking Chinese.

 

[Decus]

We work to get the Republican Party back to the days it was a Grand Old Party without the aid of the John Birch Society that has hijacked it as of late. BTW, I saw the same bunch hijack the Tea Party as well and you see where the Tea Party is today.

With all due respect, Daryl, the GOP's problem is not the Birch Society, it's the 40% of the electorate standing behind Trump exactly for his misogyny, vulgarity, and his racism. They are the ones keeping the GOP afloat, and they are the ones who are on a sugar high these years. What are you, working to set up an honorable party, going to do with them? They aren't suddenly going to find reason and decency, along with a media environment catering to same. How are you going to achieve that?

For if you don't, you would have to make significant inroads with minorities, suburban voters, and progressive urban dwellers, and that looks exceedingly unlikely. So, whence are the voters for that honorable party, valuing Americans of all strands of life, going to come?

I didn't vote for Trump but do support him and it has to do with his approach to China, (among other issues) who to this point has chosen to unilaterally claim territory in Tibet, on the border with India and more importantly, islands far from its coast in the China Sea. Incarcerating a million or more of its citizens, bullying neighboring countries, and exploiting Africa are further examples of unacceptable actions.

The fact that China has manipulated its currency to facilitate its growth as an exporter and flood the world with cheap and poor quality goods is further reason to push back against an increasingly dictatorial Chinese attitude.

I seriously doubt anyone voted for Trump in support of misogyny, vulgarity, and racism.

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[Polishprince]

When the party of Trump is gone, it won't be long until we're all speaking Chinese.

The surrender monkeys are anxious to get back in , I can't see the Biden Administration being as great as libs promise

 

[Ethos Logos Pathos]

...you can't call the Party of Trump the Republican Party...

I agree. But you certainly can call the Republican Party, finally woke, by the veracity of President Trump.

As in the rare way he has presented We The People with, the unadulterated realness, of how the Dems are focused on turning our sovereignty over exclusively to immigrants (White HISP White Arabs White Asians) and the LGBT citizenry.

And the veracity is by virtue of him doing so, indirectly, by presenting himself as a 'sacrificial igniter' for making the Dems explode their true colors and show us just how lowdown and dirty they govern this nation. The Dems never wanted us to (publicly) see how dirty they are.

So now, when Trump time is over in the WH then young people in the GOP will remain woke. That's what is so, so important about him giving his children those roles within the Admin ... they are featured on tv news networks casting lovely images. Helping young people see, that it's okay to love America as descendents of 'The Mayflower' or Emanc Procl and therefore have no desire to turn the nation over to immigrants nor ingrates they birthed here.

 

[JoeB131]

I didn't vote for Trump but do support him and it has to do with his approach to China, (among other issues) who to this point has chosen to unilaterally claim territory in Tibet, on the border with India and more importantly, islands far from its coast in the China Sea. Incarcerating a million or more of its citizens, bullying neighboring countries, and exploiting Africa are further examples of unacceptable actions.

Okay. None of that has anything to do with us. If the Chinese are willing to expend their resources in Africa or the South CHINA Sea, it's not our problem.

The problem is Trump is blaming China for losses of American Manufacturing jobs because white guys in corner offices like him decided it would be cheaper to do manufacuting there.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

It may happen in 2020, or Jan of 2021 or even Jan 2025 but it's going to happen. What then? Let's face it, you can't call the Party of Trump the Republican Party. The Republican Party is pretty much silent these days. When Trump leaves, it's going to leave a huge vacuum. Let's face it, a person like Trump only comes along once in a hundred years or so. Don't look for a replacement from the Party of Trump. There isn't one. It's one man. And when his time runs out, the Party is gone. The same thing happened to the Patriot Party with Perot.

So we need to rebuild the Republican Party. Where do we start? Obviously, there are going to be a lot of casualties in the process of those Rs that became staunch members of the Party of Trump and dare to call themselves Republicans. Some will weather it and others won't. I predict that the GOP would be forced to bring up an old hand for 2020 if Trump is out of the Picture and even in 2024 and that would be Paul Ryan. But that would not be a winner either. While I think it would be a good choice, the Trumpers will be seething and light the place on fire rather than vote for Paul Ryan. So even if Trump does go to 2024, the Republican Party is dead.

The Reform Party (Not the Patriot Party) didn't outlast Perot by much because he was bankrolling it.

The GOP was around long before Trump, and will be around long after he's gone.

The problem with your analysis is that you think Trump is the problem. He isn't. He's just a symptom. He isn't the disease, he's just the rash it broke out into.

The GOP has worked on the premise of getting working class whites to vote against their own economic interests since 1968, when Richard Nixon employed the Southern Strategy and was going to save us from all those Hippies. Every Republican since then has done a version of this. Reagan's "Welfare Queen", Bush's' "Willie Horton" ads. Get white people scared based on their racial, religious and sexual fears. The proceed to dismantle the middle class based on their fears.

Trump is just what happens when all you have left is the hate and no real alternatives.

Well said. And what do we do about it? Let's face it, the Party of Trump will do everything it can to burn everything to the ground if we allow it. What steps can we make to bring the great days of the GOP of the Eisenhower period back when the phrase, "I am a Republican and in good standings" actually meant something. That phrase goes back to the 19th century even.

 

[Polishprince]

It may happen in 2020, or Jan of 2021 or even Jan 2025 but it's going to happen. What then? Let's face it, you can't call the Party of Trump the Republican Party. The Republican Party is pretty much silent these days. When Trump leaves, it's going to leave a huge vacuum. Let's face it, a person like Trump only comes along once in a hundred years or so. Don't look for a replacement from the Party of Trump. There isn't one. It's one man. And when his time runs out, the Party is gone. The same thing happened to the Patriot Party with Perot.

So we need to rebuild the Republican Party. Where do we start? Obviously, there are going to be a lot of casualties in the process of those Rs that became staunch members of the Party of Trump and dare to call themselves Republicans. Some will weather it and others won't. I predict that the GOP would be forced to bring up an old hand for 2020 if Trump is out of the Picture and even in 2024 and that would be Paul Ryan. But that would not be a winner either. While I think it would be a good choice, the Trumpers will be seething and light the place on fire rather than vote for Paul Ryan. So even if Trump does go to 2024, the Republican Party is dead.

The Reform Party (Not the Patriot Party) didn't outlast Perot by much because he was bankrolling it.

The GOP was around long before Trump, and will be around long after he's gone.

The problem with your analysis is that you think Trump is the problem. He isn't. He's just a symptom. He isn't the disease, he's just the rash it broke out into.

The GOP has worked on the premise of getting working class whites to vote against their own economic interests since 1968, when Richard Nixon employed the Southern Strategy and was going to save us from all those Hippies. Every Republican since then has done a version of this. Reagan's "Welfare Queen", Bush's' "Willie Horton" ads. Get white people scared based on their racial, religious and sexual fears. The proceed to dismantle the middle class based on their fears.

Trump is just what happens when all you have left is the hate and no real alternatives.

Well said. And what do we do about it? Let's face it, the Party of Trump will do everything it can to burn everything to the ground if we allow it. What steps can we make to bring the great days of the GOP of the Eisenhower period back when the phrase, "I am a Republican and in good standings" actually meant something. That phrase goes back to the 19th century even.

I wonder what Ike would have said if Adlai had called him a "racist/sexist/homophone" and said that the general was Literally Hitler?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

It may happen in 2020, or Jan of 2021 or even Jan 2025 but it's going to happen. What then? Let's face it, you can't call the Party of Trump the Republican Party. The Republican Party is pretty much silent these days. When Trump leaves, it's going to leave a huge vacuum. Let's face it, a person like Trump only comes along once in a hundred years or so. Don't look for a replacement from the Party of Trump. There isn't one. It's one man. And when his time runs out, the Party is gone. The same thing happened to the Patriot Party with Perot.

So we need to rebuild the Republican Party. Where do we start? Obviously, there are going to be a lot of casualties in the process of those Rs that became staunch members of the Party of Trump and dare to call themselves Republicans. Some will weather it and others won't. I predict that the GOP would be forced to bring up an old hand for 2020 if Trump is out of the Picture and even in 2024 and that would be Paul Ryan. But that would not be a winner either. While I think it would be a good choice, the Trumpers will be seething and light the place on fire rather than vote for Paul Ryan. So even if Trump does go to 2024, the Republican Party is dead.

The Reform Party (Not the Patriot Party) didn't outlast Perot by much because he was bankrolling it.

The GOP was around long before Trump, and will be around long after he's gone.

The problem with your analysis is that you think Trump is the problem. He isn't. He's just a symptom. He isn't the disease, he's just the rash it broke out into.

The GOP has worked on the premise of getting working class whites to vote against their own economic interests since 1968, when Richard Nixon employed the Southern Strategy and was going to save us from all those Hippies. Every Republican since then has done a version of this. Reagan's "Welfare Queen", Bush's' "Willie Horton" ads. Get white people scared based on their racial, religious and sexual fears. The proceed to dismantle the middle class based on their fears.

Trump is just what happens when all you have left is the hate and no real alternatives.

Well said. And what do we do about it? Let's face it, the Party of Trump will do everything it can to burn everything to the ground if we allow it. What steps can we make to bring the great days of the GOP of the Eisenhower period back when the phrase, "I am a Republican and in good standings" actually meant something. That phrase goes back to the 19th century even.

I wonder what Ike would have said if Adlai had called him a "racist/sexist/homophone" and said that the general was Literally Hitler?

How about taking the hate and venom to another area in USMB where it belongs. You just want to burn everything to the ground when Trump leaves office because there will nothing else left for you.

I took a good look at the old Tea Party Doctrine and it was very, very good. But it changed when another group seized control. All of a sudden, (and it's still that way today) it reads like the doctrine from the John Birch Society. I see the same doctrine for the Party of Trump because the same people seized control. The Tea Party is desolate because that is all you people leave in your wake. I didn't mind the John Birch Society when their biggest community call was "Get us out of the UN". I thought the billboards were interesting.

William F Buckley wrote of the dangers of including the JBC into the Republican Party. He also counseled the then Republican Chair (H.R.Bush) about these dangers. Bush disregarded this. The GOP was trying to figure out a way to win after the shilacking they received by Bill Clinton twice. Here is a very good read on William F Buckley, Jr.

What William F. Buckley Would Think of Today’s GOP

 

[JoeB131]

Well said. And what do we do about it? Let's face it, the Party of Trump will do everything it can to burn everything to the ground if we allow it. What steps can we make to bring the great days of the GOP of the Eisenhower period back when the phrase, "I am a Republican and in good standings" actually meant something. That phrase goes back to the 19th century even.

again, that ship sailed when Tricky Dick employed the southern strategy...

I'm not sure the GOP can be or even should be saved. Demographics will put them in a permanent minority soon enough.

 

[Polishprince]

again, that ship sailed when Tricky Dick employed the southern strategy...

I'm not sure the GOP can be or even should be saved. Demographics will put them in a permanent minority soon enough.

Is it really that irredeemable and unforgivable that the Republican Party decided to compete for Southern votes after Jim Crow was buried? Or did those votes belong to the Democrats and the GOP should have never gone south of the Mason Dixon?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Well said. And what do we do about it? Let's face it, the Party of Trump will do everything it can to burn everything to the ground if we allow it. What steps can we make to bring the great days of the GOP of the Eisenhower period back when the phrase, "I am a Republican and in good standings" actually meant something. That phrase goes back to the 19th century even.

again, that ship sailed when Tricky Dick employed the southern strategy...

I'm not sure the GOP can be or even should be saved. Demographics will put them in a permanent minority soon enough.

There were still some really good Conservatives running things after Nixon left the stage. But there was another threat in the wings. William F Buckley saw it coming and tried to get it stopped. It almost cost him his mag Empire. He pointed out that the methods that the Birchers would use would destroy the party. What came out of it is, they went after him using those same tactics. They accused him of being a Communist, Socialist, Rapist, and even worse. Does any of this sound familiar? He lost some real high dollar advertisers for a short time until the advertisers figured out what was going on. He also lost a large number of subscribers to his Mag. Birchers are what's left over of the Senator McCarthy era. One would think that when his career ended that was the end of it? No, the John Birch Society was born. BTW, one of the founding members was, guess who, Fred Trump. Now, does the party of Trump make more sense now?

I hope that when Trump goes out of office, the Birchers return to the JBS party where this is accepted behavior.