CDZ The Party of Trump will be Gone some Day, what then?

[Olde Europe]

Both parties started going to hell in a hand basket starting sometime in the early 60s.

Before, say, 1950, the Democratic party was the party of White, conservative resentment, in virtually uncontested control of the South.

That party is now the GOP, which morphed into the party of Trump not by accident of the man's appearance on the national scene, but because that was the trajectory they were traveling anyway.

There is plainly no market for the GOP of old, since that place is now occupied by the Democratic party, which leaves White resentment as the electoral tool to the GOP. For as long as there is a FPTP voting system, along with a thoroughly broken primary system, and an electoral system marred by outright, overt bribery by the plutocracy, that will not change. Were the GOP to regain their sanity, they would be direct competitors of the Democratic party on their turf, and the new party to emerge to cover the resentment market the GOP abandoned would be a new Party of Trump.

 

[Decus]

Eisenhower continued many of the programs from FDR's New Deal and even added a couple of new ones. No one can accuse Eisenhower of being a conservative.

Sadly Entitlement programs have proven to be largely ineffective and financially unsustainable.

 

[jc456]

the Trump name may last as long as bush's and clinton's. You got Jr. you got Eric, You have Ivanka. hmmmmm the Trump name may be here for a very long time. baddaboom!!!!

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Eisenhower continued many of the programs from FDR's New Deal and even added a couple of new ones. No one can accuse Eisenhower of being a conservative.

Sadly Entitlement programs have proven to be largely ineffective and financially unsustainable.

One thing both Truman and Eisenhower did was supported Businesses and labor. We went into an increase in prosperity that we have never seen before or hence. Truman had a War to fight so he could not work on the Budget but afterwards, Eisenhower worked on balancing the Budget and got the job done. He was well on the way after 1956 in reducing the national debt. What many think of being a conservative today wasn't what was a conservative back then. Eisenhower was the perfect example of a Fiscal Conservative. If you had to put a full label on him, it would have been a Progressive Fiscal Conservative during a time when Big Business was being told to go make money and stay out of Politics by the Republican Party. The complete changeover from the old Democratic Party of Big Corporate Business had yet to have completely been done.

What the Dems claim as their own (race relations) was done by the Republicans before 1960 and back. The Southern Democrats (who later became Republicans without changing a thing) hated Republicans because they were forced to allow Blacks (or Negras as they were called at the time) to be able to vote. Blacks were able to attend schools. The Federal Government started sending down Prosecutors and investigators to deal with the many lynchings and such. Federal Judges were appointed that weren't named Bubba Joe. In the West, The formation of the CSO was done and lead to many things like the United Farm Workers Association that worked to get unemployed Americans hired instead of low paid immigrants. The leader of all this was Cesar Chavez who was identified by McCarthy as a potential Communist and the FBI hounded. But they never found any concrete evidence. The Dems wanted all of this stopped but couldn't do it because of the power of the President.

Then there were the Public Works. The Interstate was started in earnest by direction from Eisenhower as were some really big public projects. It not only lead to things we take for granted today but created millions of jobs for out of work Citizens. Eisenhower's public works rivaled FDRs CCC and PWA projects and weren't just to make work. They were gateways to the future. Those projects still exist today and we depend on them. There is no way, as things are today, that the US could EVER take on those projects. Today, we have to hitch rides to the Space Station on the Russian Space Program. And don't forget, it was Eisenhower that actually lead to the moon landing. Yes, we all think it was Kennedy but he took credit for the Mercury and Gemini Program that was developed under Eisenhower.

The list goes on and on. How did he pay for all this and still balance the budget and start paying down the National Debt? He hired some pretty damned smart advisors and cabinet members. And even Nixon had a hand in it. Remember, Nixon, even after he left office was still on the payroll to many Government Officials as a Foreign Advisor. As the saying goes, "Only Nixon can go to China". Almost none of this made the news. It was done quietly without fanfare. Some would call it "Mediocrity". But sometimes a little Mediocrity works better than a lot of bragging and fanfare.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Let's look at something from 1956. The Unemployment rate was 4.1%. It was also figured differently. Here are the ones considered out of work.

Those that register at the Employment Office as Unemployed.

Those that are male and working part time jobs seeking full time jobs

Those that are males that are working for minimum wage or near minimum wage jobs seeking higher paying jobs

Single Mothers that met the above criteria were also considered Unemployed. For you Trolls, the exception was they didn't have to qualify being male.

Students were not considered Unemployed.

People that had filed for SS were not considered Unemployed.

I purchased a study done by AT$T in the year 2000 for sales. 3.9% was what the official rating was. But when I used the same criteria (not separating the Males from the Females) it came to a whopping 24.9% unemployment rate. With the official unemployment rate of 3.9%, do the math on this one. There is a very good reason that your money went farther than it does today. The bottom and middle made more compared to the cost of living than in 1956. Had the suppliers and distributors played the same game that they have done for the last 40 or 50 years, the Feds would have been all over them like "Stink on a Skunk". And it had been that way for almost 100 years before that.

We may get a 3.9% raise but watch the cost of living go up 4.1%. It's been doing that for decades. I suggest you read the Republican Plank for 1956 and see what it says there. And you will see why things were kept on an even playing field for large Corporations all the way down to farm laborers.

If you worked you made a living wage. If you started a business and were smart about it, you made a nice living. If you came up with a revolutionary idea, you got bloody rich. None of that is that true today. You are not guaranteed a living wage if you have a family. No matter how smart you run a business, if the Powers in Charge don't want you to succeed because you are in competition with their good buddy, you are going to fail. If you come with a brilliant idea or product, you aren't going to succeed maybe because companies like Microsoft will con you into a deal that will sooner or later break you in half.

Now, I am not saying that if you have a revolutionary idea or product you shouldn't try it. You should. But it's just so much harder today than it was in 1956. Much of today's business practices would have gotten Business Managers a nice long stay in the Hoosegow or heavily fined. There are still laws against such actions but they aren't enforced anymore.

I think they stopped enforcing them right after Nixon made such a debacle of trying to "Fix" things and the economy went south for the winter from it. He tried to accomplish what Eisenhower did with the Economy but he "Weren't No Eisenhower". And Congress pretty well ate him alive. One thing Eisenhower had was the support of both sides of the Congress. We haven't seen that cooperation rate since. And now look at it. Congress has little to do with law creation and more in common with a street brawl. When you start looking for a replacement, I suggest you stop looking for the "Born Leader" and look, instead, for the person that can bring it all together. And that ain't Trump, Warren, Bernie and most of the others. And start looking for congress people that also will bring it together which means fire MOST of them and start over. A little Mediocrity ain't so bad if cooperation goes along with it.

One of the reasons that the 1956 Republican Plank makes both sides hold their nose is that it's about halfway between the two. It's not over the top. But it appears to be for the fringe groups that are currently calling the shots and are the most vocal. Going back to something like that would actually satisfy both sides if the drunken brawl were to ever stop.

 

[Polishprince]

The Party of Trump will be Gone some Day, what then?

It may happen in 2020, or Jan of 2021 or even Jan 2025 but it's going to happen. What then? Let's face it, you can't call the Party of Trump the Republican Party. The Republican Party is pretty much silent these days. When Trump leaves, it's going to leave a huge vacuum. Let's face it, a person like Trump only comes along once in a hundred years or so. Don't look for a replacement from the Party of Trump. There isn't one. It's one man. And when his time runs out, the Party is gone. The same thing happened to the Patriot Party with Perot.

So we need to rebuild the Republican Party. Where do we start? Obviously, there are going to be a lot of casualties in the process of those Rs that became staunch members of the Party of Trump and dare to call themselves Republicans. Some will weather it and others won't. I predict that the GOP would be forced to bring up an old hand for 2020 if Trump is out of the Picture and even in 2024 and that would be Paul Ryan. But that would not be a winner either. While I think it would be a good choice, the Trumpers will be seething and light the place on fire rather than vote for Paul Ryan. So even if Trump does go to 2024, the Republican Party is dead.

That means, it must be rebuilt for the 2028 year. And even then, there may still be enough of the hate and venom left that even 2028 may be a bad year for the Republicans. And I don't mean the Party of Trump which dies Politically when Trump leaves office. Like I said before, the party of Trump is one man and only one man and another one like him is not going to be seen for another hundred years in America.

What we need to do is start to rebuild now as a 3rd Party as the Republican Party. Call it "The New Republican Party" adopting the old GOP planks and ideologies. One of the other posters posted what the GOP once stood for and I hope he reposts it again here.

This isn't about the Democrat Party. It's about rebuilding the Republican Party back to the days it once was the Grand Old Party. Let the Democrat Party do whatever the hell it wants to do. But we need to rebuild back to the days of Ike.

Let's hear some constructive inputs on this one. Sorry, it's not about the party of Trump or the Democrat Party. It's about the rebuilding of the GOP to the time it earned the name of GOP.

Why don't Paul Ryan or John Kasich run now as the "Real Republican" Party to oppose President Trump? Why wait?

Go out there and raise money, get on TV, explain how they will be able to vanquish the Democrat socialists a lot better than Donald J. Trump. They should be out there making their case, if they think they have one.

Maybe schedule rallies in some of the biggest stadiums in America, get major league talent to perform.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

The Party of Trump will be Gone some Day, what then?

It may happen in 2020, or Jan of 2021 or even Jan 2025 but it's going to happen. What then? Let's face it, you can't call the Party of Trump the Republican Party. The Republican Party is pretty much silent these days. When Trump leaves, it's going to leave a huge vacuum. Let's face it, a person like Trump only comes along once in a hundred years or so. Don't look for a replacement from the Party of Trump. There isn't one. It's one man. And when his time runs out, the Party is gone. The same thing happened to the Patriot Party with Perot.

So we need to rebuild the Republican Party. Where do we start? Obviously, there are going to be a lot of casualties in the process of those Rs that became staunch members of the Party of Trump and dare to call themselves Republicans. Some will weather it and others won't. I predict that the GOP would be forced to bring up an old hand for 2020 if Trump is out of the Picture and even in 2024 and that would be Paul Ryan. But that would not be a winner either. While I think it would be a good choice, the Trumpers will be seething and light the place on fire rather than vote for Paul Ryan. So even if Trump does go to 2024, the Republican Party is dead.

That means, it must be rebuilt for the 2028 year. And even then, there may still be enough of the hate and venom left that even 2028 may be a bad year for the Republicans. And I don't mean the Party of Trump which dies Politically when Trump leaves office. Like I said before, the party of Trump is one man and only one man and another one like him is not going to be seen for another hundred years in America.

What we need to do is start to rebuild now as a 3rd Party as the Republican Party. Call it "The New Republican Party" adopting the old GOP planks and ideologies. One of the other posters posted what the GOP once stood for and I hope he reposts it again here.

This isn't about the Democrat Party. It's about rebuilding the Republican Party back to the days it once was the Grand Old Party. Let the Democrat Party do whatever the hell it wants to do. But we need to rebuild back to the days of Ike.

Let's hear some constructive inputs on this one. Sorry, it's not about the party of Trump or the Democrat Party. It's about the rebuilding of the GOP to the time it earned the name of GOP.

Why don't Paul Ryan or John Kasich run now as the "Real Republican" Party to oppose President Trump? Why wait?

Go out there and raise money, get on TV, explain how they will be able to vanquish the Democrat socialists a lot better than Donald J. Trump. They should be out there making their case, if they think they have one.

Maybe schedule rallies in some of the biggest stadiums in America, get major league talent to perform.

Because they know that they don't stand a chance. In fact, if they do, neither does Trump. There has NEVER been a contested Party run where the incumbent has went on to win the election. This splits the party up in such a way the other side wins every time. Just not going to happen as long as Trump is sitting in the drivers seat.

 

[Polishprince]

The Party of Trump will be Gone some Day, what then?

It may happen in 2020, or Jan of 2021 or even Jan 2025 but it's going to happen. What then? Let's face it, you can't call the Party of Trump the Republican Party. The Republican Party is pretty much silent these days. When Trump leaves, it's going to leave a huge vacuum. Let's face it, a person like Trump only comes along once in a hundred years or so. Don't look for a replacement from the Party of Trump. There isn't one. It's one man. And when his time runs out, the Party is gone. The same thing happened to the Patriot Party with Perot.

So we need to rebuild the Republican Party. Where do we start? Obviously, there are going to be a lot of casualties in the process of those Rs that became staunch members of the Party of Trump and dare to call themselves Republicans. Some will weather it and others won't. I predict that the GOP would be forced to bring up an old hand for 2020 if Trump is out of the Picture and even in 2024 and that would be Paul Ryan. But that would not be a winner either. While I think it would be a good choice, the Trumpers will be seething and light the place on fire rather than vote for Paul Ryan. So even if Trump does go to 2024, the Republican Party is dead.

That means, it must be rebuilt for the 2028 year. And even then, there may still be enough of the hate and venom left that even 2028 may be a bad year for the Republicans. And I don't mean the Party of Trump which dies Politically when Trump leaves office. Like I said before, the party of Trump is one man and only one man and another one like him is not going to be seen for another hundred years in America.

What we need to do is start to rebuild now as a 3rd Party as the Republican Party. Call it "The New Republican Party" adopting the old GOP planks and ideologies. One of the other posters posted what the GOP once stood for and I hope he reposts it again here.

This isn't about the Democrat Party. It's about rebuilding the Republican Party back to the days it once was the Grand Old Party. Let the Democrat Party do whatever the hell it wants to do. But we need to rebuild back to the days of Ike.

Let's hear some constructive inputs on this one. Sorry, it's not about the party of Trump or the Democrat Party. It's about the rebuilding of the GOP to the time it earned the name of GOP.

Why don't Paul Ryan or John Kasich run now as the "Real Republican" Party to oppose President Trump? Why wait?

Go out there and raise money, get on TV, explain how they will be able to vanquish the Democrat socialists a lot better than Donald J. Trump. They should be out there making their case, if they think they have one.

Maybe schedule rallies in some of the biggest stadiums in America, get major league talent to perform.

Because they know that they don't stand a chance. In fact, if they do, neither does Trump. There has NEVER been a contested Party run where the incumbent has went on to win the election. This splits the party up in such a way the other side wins every time. Just not going to happen as long as Trump is sitting in the drivers seat.

That's just not true, as far as history. I don't know what would happen in the future.

But in the past, in 1948, the Democrat Party had 2 major schismatic opponents, Henry Wallace and Strom Thurmond, and Harry S. Truman still won the election.


More recently, in 1980, Republican John Anderson split from the GOP ticket led by Reagan, and Reagan was still able to schlong Carter convincingly.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

The Party of Trump will be Gone some Day, what then?

It may happen in 2020, or Jan of 2021 or even Jan 2025 but it's going to happen. What then? Let's face it, you can't call the Party of Trump the Republican Party. The Republican Party is pretty much silent these days. When Trump leaves, it's going to leave a huge vacuum. Let's face it, a person like Trump only comes along once in a hundred years or so. Don't look for a replacement from the Party of Trump. There isn't one. It's one man. And when his time runs out, the Party is gone. The same thing happened to the Patriot Party with Perot.

So we need to rebuild the Republican Party. Where do we start? Obviously, there are going to be a lot of casualties in the process of those Rs that became staunch members of the Party of Trump and dare to call themselves Republicans. Some will weather it and others won't. I predict that the GOP would be forced to bring up an old hand for 2020 if Trump is out of the Picture and even in 2024 and that would be Paul Ryan. But that would not be a winner either. While I think it would be a good choice, the Trumpers will be seething and light the place on fire rather than vote for Paul Ryan. So even if Trump does go to 2024, the Republican Party is dead.

That means, it must be rebuilt for the 2028 year. And even then, there may still be enough of the hate and venom left that even 2028 may be a bad year for the Republicans. And I don't mean the Party of Trump which dies Politically when Trump leaves office. Like I said before, the party of Trump is one man and only one man and another one like him is not going to be seen for another hundred years in America.

What we need to do is start to rebuild now as a 3rd Party as the Republican Party. Call it "The New Republican Party" adopting the old GOP planks and ideologies. One of the other posters posted what the GOP once stood for and I hope he reposts it again here.

This isn't about the Democrat Party. It's about rebuilding the Republican Party back to the days it once was the Grand Old Party. Let the Democrat Party do whatever the hell it wants to do. But we need to rebuild back to the days of Ike.

Let's hear some constructive inputs on this one. Sorry, it's not about the party of Trump or the Democrat Party. It's about the rebuilding of the GOP to the time it earned the name of GOP.

Why don't Paul Ryan or John Kasich run now as the "Real Republican" Party to oppose President Trump? Why wait?

Go out there and raise money, get on TV, explain how they will be able to vanquish the Democrat socialists a lot better than Donald J. Trump. They should be out there making their case, if they think they have one.

Maybe schedule rallies in some of the biggest stadiums in America, get major league talent to perform.

Because they know that they don't stand a chance. In fact, if they do, neither does Trump. There has NEVER been a contested Party run where the incumbent has went on to win the election. This splits the party up in such a way the other side wins every time. Just not going to happen as long as Trump is sitting in the drivers seat.

That's just not true, as far as history. I don't know what would happen in the future.

But in the past, in 1948, the Democrat Party had 2 major schismatic opponents, Henry Wallace and Strom Thurmond, and Harry S. Truman still won the election.


More recently, in 1980, Republican John Anderson split from the GOP ticket led by Reagan, and Reagan was still able to schlong Carter convincingly.

Neither time did they go third party. Let's say that Paul Ryan goes third Party, it would split the Republican Party right down the middle. That is what I meant to say. And I think you knew it.

 

[Polishprince]

The Party of Trump will be Gone some Day, what then?

It may happen in 2020, or Jan of 2021 or even Jan 2025 but it's going to happen. What then? Let's face it, you can't call the Party of Trump the Republican Party. The Republican Party is pretty much silent these days. When Trump leaves, it's going to leave a huge vacuum. Let's face it, a person like Trump only comes along once in a hundred years or so. Don't look for a replacement from the Party of Trump. There isn't one. It's one man. And when his time runs out, the Party is gone. The same thing happened to the Patriot Party with Perot.

So we need to rebuild the Republican Party. Where do we start? Obviously, there are going to be a lot of casualties in the process of those Rs that became staunch members of the Party of Trump and dare to call themselves Republicans. Some will weather it and others won't. I predict that the GOP would be forced to bring up an old hand for 2020 if Trump is out of the Picture and even in 2024 and that would be Paul Ryan. But that would not be a winner either. While I think it would be a good choice, the Trumpers will be seething and light the place on fire rather than vote for Paul Ryan. So even if Trump does go to 2024, the Republican Party is dead.

That means, it must be rebuilt for the 2028 year. And even then, there may still be enough of the hate and venom left that even 2028 may be a bad year for the Republicans. And I don't mean the Party of Trump which dies Politically when Trump leaves office. Like I said before, the party of Trump is one man and only one man and another one like him is not going to be seen for another hundred years in America.

What we need to do is start to rebuild now as a 3rd Party as the Republican Party. Call it "The New Republican Party" adopting the old GOP planks and ideologies. One of the other posters posted what the GOP once stood for and I hope he reposts it again here.

This isn't about the Democrat Party. It's about rebuilding the Republican Party back to the days it once was the Grand Old Party. Let the Democrat Party do whatever the hell it wants to do. But we need to rebuild back to the days of Ike.

Let's hear some constructive inputs on this one. Sorry, it's not about the party of Trump or the Democrat Party. It's about the rebuilding of the GOP to the time it earned the name of GOP.

Why don't Paul Ryan or John Kasich run now as the "Real Republican" Party to oppose President Trump? Why wait?

Go out there and raise money, get on TV, explain how they will be able to vanquish the Democrat socialists a lot better than Donald J. Trump. They should be out there making their case, if they think they have one.

Maybe schedule rallies in some of the biggest stadiums in America, get major league talent to perform.

Because they know that they don't stand a chance. In fact, if they do, neither does Trump. There has NEVER been a contested Party run where the incumbent has went on to win the election. This splits the party up in such a way the other side wins every time. Just not going to happen as long as Trump is sitting in the drivers seat.

That's just not true, as far as history. I don't know what would happen in the future.

But in the past, in 1948, the Democrat Party had 2 major schismatic opponents, Henry Wallace and Strom Thurmond, and Harry S. Truman still won the election.


More recently, in 1980, Republican John Anderson split from the GOP ticket led by Reagan, and Reagan was still able to schlong Carter convincingly.

Neither time did they go third party. Let's say that Paul Ryan goes third Party, it would split the Republican Party right down the middle. That is what I meant to say. And I think you knew it.

Actually, both times they went 3rd Party. Wallace and Thurmond, as well as Anderson, established their own political parties.

If Paul Ryan- example given- ran, as a 3rd party, it would help expand Trump's margins, by splitting the anti-trump vote.

 

[Gdjjr]

the old Republican and Democratic Party from the Eisenhower and Truman days.

Truman? Good lord! Ike warned us about the looming Military Industrial Complex (which now, thanks to BOTHE sides is so deeply entrenched in our economy it'll never go away)- about the only reputable thing he did- Ike also appointed Allen Dulles as the first civilian director of the CIA who gave us the threat of communism over taking the world (which wasn't happening) (Ike and Stalin were buddy's and Staling had no desire to fight the US and we were allies in ww2) and over saw the Iranian coup which has led us to where we are in the ME and he did the same thing in Guatemala- neither action was constitutional- so, yeah we need more like him- LOL- my word people have any of you ever read the constitution- it really isn't an esoteric exercise- it was written in simple English, as was The Declaration of Independence and was agreed to by men a lot smarter than any empty suit that's occupied the District of Criminals for more than one life time-

 

[2aguy]

The Party of Trump will be Gone some Day, what then?

It may happen in 2020, or Jan of 2021 or even Jan 2025 but it's going to happen. What then? Let's face it, you can't call the Party of Trump the Republican Party. The Republican Party is pretty much silent these days. When Trump leaves, it's going to leave a huge vacuum. Let's face it, a person like Trump only comes along once in a hundred years or so. Don't look for a replacement from the Party of Trump. There isn't one. It's one man. And when his time runs out, the Party is gone. The same thing happened to the Patriot Party with Perot.

So we need to rebuild the Republican Party. Where do we start? Obviously, there are going to be a lot of casualties in the process of those Rs that became staunch members of the Party of Trump and dare to call themselves Republicans. Some will weather it and others won't. I predict that the GOP would be forced to bring up an old hand for 2020 if Trump is out of the Picture and even in 2024 and that would be Paul Ryan. But that would not be a winner either. While I think it would be a good choice, the Trumpers will be seething and light the place on fire rather than vote for Paul Ryan. So even if Trump does go to 2024, the Republican Party is dead.

That means, it must be rebuilt for the 2028 year. And even then, there may still be enough of the hate and venom left that even 2028 may be a bad year for the Republicans. And I don't mean the Party of Trump which dies Politically when Trump leaves office. Like I said before, the party of Trump is one man and only one man and another one like him is not going to be seen for another hundred years in America.

What we need to do is start to rebuild now as a 3rd Party as the Republican Party. Call it "The New Republican Party" adopting the old GOP planks and ideologies. One of the other posters posted what the GOP once stood for and I hope he reposts it again here.

This isn't about the Democrat Party. It's about rebuilding the Republican Party back to the days it once was the Grand Old Party. Let the Democrat Party do whatever the hell it wants to do. But we need to rebuild back to the days of Ike.

Let's hear some constructive inputs on this one. Sorry, it's not about the party of Trump or the Democrat Party. It's about the rebuilding of the GOP to the time it earned the name of GOP.

It is quite simple......those who voted for Trump will vote for the next republican who will cut taxes, protect religious freedom, our right to bear arms, reduce government who actually loves this country and its people,

There...it is that simple....those voting for Trump voted for him, while the establishment republicans sat on their hands.....

The man or woman the democrats have to fear is Trump 2.0. The individual who has been shown how to defeat the leftists who control the press, hollywood, the education system......and has the fire of Trump, but will have learned from his mistakes...........that individual is the one democrats need to fear.....

 

[Daryl Hunt]

The Party of Trump will be Gone some Day, what then?

It may happen in 2020, or Jan of 2021 or even Jan 2025 but it's going to happen. What then? Let's face it, you can't call the Party of Trump the Republican Party. The Republican Party is pretty much silent these days. When Trump leaves, it's going to leave a huge vacuum. Let's face it, a person like Trump only comes along once in a hundred years or so. Don't look for a replacement from the Party of Trump. There isn't one. It's one man. And when his time runs out, the Party is gone. The same thing happened to the Patriot Party with Perot.

So we need to rebuild the Republican Party. Where do we start? Obviously, there are going to be a lot of casualties in the process of those Rs that became staunch members of the Party of Trump and dare to call themselves Republicans. Some will weather it and others won't. I predict that the GOP would be forced to bring up an old hand for 2020 if Trump is out of the Picture and even in 2024 and that would be Paul Ryan. But that would not be a winner either. While I think it would be a good choice, the Trumpers will be seething and light the place on fire rather than vote for Paul Ryan. So even if Trump does go to 2024, the Republican Party is dead.

That means, it must be rebuilt for the 2028 year. And even then, there may still be enough of the hate and venom left that even 2028 may be a bad year for the Republicans. And I don't mean the Party of Trump which dies Politically when Trump leaves office. Like I said before, the party of Trump is one man and only one man and another one like him is not going to be seen for another hundred years in America.

What we need to do is start to rebuild now as a 3rd Party as the Republican Party. Call it "The New Republican Party" adopting the old GOP planks and ideologies. One of the other posters posted what the GOP once stood for and I hope he reposts it again here.

This isn't about the Democrat Party. It's about rebuilding the Republican Party back to the days it once was the Grand Old Party. Let the Democrat Party do whatever the hell it wants to do. But we need to rebuild back to the days of Ike.

Let's hear some constructive inputs on this one. Sorry, it's not about the party of Trump or the Democrat Party. It's about the rebuilding of the GOP to the time it earned the name of GOP.

Why don't Paul Ryan or John Kasich run now as the "Real Republican" Party to oppose President Trump? Why wait?

Go out there and raise money, get on TV, explain how they will be able to vanquish the Democrat socialists a lot better than Donald J. Trump. They should be out there making their case, if they think they have one.

Maybe schedule rallies in some of the biggest stadiums in America, get major league talent to perform.

Because they know that they don't stand a chance. In fact, if they do, neither does Trump. There has NEVER been a contested Party run where the incumbent has went on to win the election. This splits the party up in such a way the other side wins every time. Just not going to happen as long as Trump is sitting in the drivers seat.

That's just not true, as far as history. I don't know what would happen in the future.

But in the past, in 1948, the Democrat Party had 2 major schismatic opponents, Henry Wallace and Strom Thurmond, and Harry S. Truman still won the election.


More recently, in 1980, Republican John Anderson split from the GOP ticket led by Reagan, and Reagan was still able to schlong Carter convincingly.

Neither time did they go third party. Let's say that Paul Ryan goes third Party, it would split the Republican Party right down the middle. That is what I meant to say. And I think you knew it.

Actually, both times they went 3rd Party. Wallace and Thurmond, as well as Anderson, established their own political parties.

If Paul Ryan- example given- ran, as a 3rd party, it would help expand Trump's margins, by splitting the anti-trump vote.

Wallace ran 3rd party in 1968 when there was no incumbent president. Johnson declined to run and Humphrey won the primary.

Thurmond was a Dixiecrat. He split the Democratic ticket. yes, by a whopping popular vote of 2.4%. But he pulled the 5 southern dixiecrat states just like Wallace did. Wow, run a complete Jim Crow Ticket always works, doesn't it. I doubt if either Thurmond nor Wallace really counts. They couldn't get elected as dog catchers except in the Dixiecrat states. The KKK vote really doesn't amount to a whole lot. Thurmond didn't end up with a single Electoral College Vote while Wallace did pull one state.

Anderson had a problem. He couldn't decide if he was a Republican or a Democrat so he ran as both. That worked at first but in the end, the two party system won out. He had as many famous Democrats endorsing him as he did the Rockefeller Republicans. He was a Liberal. In reality, he murdered Carters votes, not Reagans. He helped Reagan. Bad example for you.

Now, run someone like Paul Ryan who would be a serious contender without the baggage and has a solid message whether you agree with him or not. He would draw at least 14% of the Republican votes and a whole bunch of Indies. Who knows, he might even draw a few Dems as well. End result would be, if the Dems lost, the winner would be Paul Ryan. it's a little tough to win a Presidency with less than 22% of the popular votes. No matter how much you try and cheat on that one, it goes in either the loss category or the Felony category for the win.

 

[candycorn]

The Party of Trump will be Gone some Day, what then?

It may happen in 2020, or Jan of 2021 or even Jan 2025 but it's going to happen. What then? Let's face it, you can't call the Party of Trump the Republican Party. The Republican Party is pretty much silent these days. When Trump leaves, it's going to leave a huge vacuum. Let's face it, a person like Trump only comes along once in a hundred years or so. Don't look for a replacement from the Party of Trump. There isn't one. It's one man. And when his time runs out, the Party is gone. The same thing happened to the Patriot Party with Perot.

So we need to rebuild the Republican Party. Where do we start? Obviously, there are going to be a lot of casualties in the process of those Rs that became staunch members of the Party of Trump and dare to call themselves Republicans. Some will weather it and others won't. I predict that the GOP would be forced to bring up an old hand for 2020 if Trump is out of the Picture and even in 2024 and that would be Paul Ryan. But that would not be a winner either. While I think it would be a good choice, the Trumpers will be seething and light the place on fire rather than vote for Paul Ryan. So even if Trump does go to 2024, the Republican Party is dead.

That means, it must be rebuilt for the 2028 year. And even then, there may still be enough of the hate and venom left that even 2028 may be a bad year for the Republicans. And I don't mean the Party of Trump which dies Politically when Trump leaves office. Like I said before, the party of Trump is one man and only one man and another one like him is not going to be seen for another hundred years in America.

What we need to do is start to rebuild now as a 3rd Party as the Republican Party. Call it "The New Republican Party" adopting the old GOP planks and ideologies. One of the other posters posted what the GOP once stood for and I hope he reposts it again here.

This isn't about the Democrat Party. It's about rebuilding the Republican Party back to the days it once was the Grand Old Party. Let the Democrat Party do whatever the hell it wants to do. But we need to rebuild back to the days of Ike.

Let's hear some constructive inputs on this one. Sorry, it's not about the party of Trump or the Democrat Party. It's about the rebuilding of the GOP to the time it earned the name of GOP.

sooner or later they will run out of people to hate

 

[Polishprince]

Why don't Paul Ryan or John Kasich run now as the "Real Republican" Party to oppose President Trump? Why wait?

Go out there and raise money, get on TV, explain how they will be able to vanquish the Democrat socialists a lot better than Donald J. Trump. They should be out there making their case, if they think they have one.

Maybe schedule rallies in some of the biggest stadiums in America, get major league talent to perform.

Because they know that they don't stand a chance. In fact, if they do, neither does Trump. There has NEVER been a contested Party run where the incumbent has went on to win the election. This splits the party up in such a way the other side wins every time. Just not going to happen as long as Trump is sitting in the drivers seat.

That's just not true, as far as history. I don't know what would happen in the future.

But in the past, in 1948, the Democrat Party had 2 major schismatic opponents, Henry Wallace and Strom Thurmond, and Harry S. Truman still won the election.


More recently, in 1980, Republican John Anderson split from the GOP ticket led by Reagan, and Reagan was still able to schlong Carter convincingly.

Neither time did they go third party. Let's say that Paul Ryan goes third Party, it would split the Republican Party right down the middle. That is what I meant to say. And I think you knew it.

Actually, both times they went 3rd Party. Wallace and Thurmond, as well as Anderson, established their own political parties.

If Paul Ryan- example given- ran, as a 3rd party, it would help expand Trump's margins, by splitting the anti-trump vote.

Wallace ran 3rd party in 1968 when there was no incumbent president. Johnson declined to run and Humphrey won the primary.

Thurmond was a Dixiecrat. He split the Democratic ticket. yes, by a whopping popular vote of 2.4%. But he pulled the 5 southern dixiecrat states just like Wallace did. Wow, run a complete Jim Crow Ticket always works, doesn't it. I doubt if either Thurmond nor Wallace really counts. They couldn't get elected as dog catchers except in the Dixiecrat states. The KKK vote really doesn't amount to a whole lot. Thurmond didn't end up with a single Electoral College Vote while Wallace did pull one state.

Anderson had a problem. He couldn't decide if he was a Republican or a Democrat so he ran as both. That worked at first but in the end, the two party system won out. He had as many famous Democrats endorsing him as he did the Rockefeller Republicans. He was a Liberal. In reality, he murdered Carters votes, not Reagans. He helped Reagan. Bad example for you.

Now, run someone like Paul Ryan who would be a serious contender without the baggage and has a solid message whether you agree with him or not. He would draw at least 14% of the Republican votes and a whole bunch of Indies. Who knows, he might even draw a few Dems as well. End result would be, if the Dems lost, the winner would be Paul Ryan. it's a little tough to win a Presidency with less than 22% of the popular votes. No matter how much you try and cheat on that one, it goes in either the loss category or the Felony category for the win.

I was referring to Vice President Henry Wallace, not George C., who ran in 1948.

And John B. Anderson who ran in 1980 was clearly a Republican,serving 20 years as Rep. congressman.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Because they know that they don't stand a chance. In fact, if they do, neither does Trump. There has NEVER been a contested Party run where the incumbent has went on to win the election. This splits the party up in such a way the other side wins every time. Just not going to happen as long as Trump is sitting in the drivers seat.

That's just not true, as far as history. I don't know what would happen in the future.

But in the past, in 1948, the Democrat Party had 2 major schismatic opponents, Henry Wallace and Strom Thurmond, and Harry S. Truman still won the election.


More recently, in 1980, Republican John Anderson split from the GOP ticket led by Reagan, and Reagan was still able to schlong Carter convincingly.

Neither time did they go third party. Let's say that Paul Ryan goes third Party, it would split the Republican Party right down the middle. That is what I meant to say. And I think you knew it.

Actually, both times they went 3rd Party. Wallace and Thurmond, as well as Anderson, established their own political parties.

If Paul Ryan- example given- ran, as a 3rd party, it would help expand Trump's margins, by splitting the anti-trump vote.

Wallace ran 3rd party in 1968 when there was no incumbent president. Johnson declined to run and Humphrey won the primary.

Thurmond was a Dixiecrat. He split the Democratic ticket. yes, by a whopping popular vote of 2.4%. But he pulled the 5 southern dixiecrat states just like Wallace did. Wow, run a complete Jim Crow Ticket always works, doesn't it. I doubt if either Thurmond nor Wallace really counts. They couldn't get elected as dog catchers except in the Dixiecrat states. The KKK vote really doesn't amount to a whole lot. Thurmond didn't end up with a single Electoral College Vote while Wallace did pull one state.

Anderson had a problem. He couldn't decide if he was a Republican or a Democrat so he ran as both. That worked at first but in the end, the two party system won out. He had as many famous Democrats endorsing him as he did the Rockefeller Republicans. He was a Liberal. In reality, he murdered Carters votes, not Reagans. He helped Reagan. Bad example for you.

Now, run someone like Paul Ryan who would be a serious contender without the baggage and has a solid message whether you agree with him or not. He would draw at least 14% of the Republican votes and a whole bunch of Indies. Who knows, he might even draw a few Dems as well. End result would be, if the Dems lost, the winner would be Paul Ryan. it's a little tough to win a Presidency with less than 22% of the popular votes. No matter how much you try and cheat on that one, it goes in either the loss category or the Felony category for the win.

I was referring to Vice President Henry Wallace, not George C., who ran in 1948.

And John B. Anderson who ran in 1980 was clearly a Republican,serving 20 years as Rep. congressman.

Henry Wallace ran against Truman for VP in 1944 and lost. Then in 1948, Wallace was involved in the first of the nasty Communist Debacles. No, he wasn't a communist and neither were MOST of those that were accused of it but the accusation alone was enough to kill his presidential run.

Enough of this, "Hey, look over there". With Trump leaving office (no reason nor time given) that ends the Party of Trump, that leaves only the Democrat Party as the dominant party. Is that what you want to see? Or do you want to see the GOP cleaned up and presented in such a way that it can present itself to the Voter once again. Again, read the 1956 Republican Plank to see when the Republicans were loved by ALL America with the possible exception of the Dixiecrats and the KKK

 

[Polishprince]

That's just not true, as far as history. I don't know what would happen in the future.

But in the past, in 1948, the Democrat Party had 2 major schismatic opponents, Henry Wallace and Strom Thurmond, and Harry S. Truman still won the election.


More recently, in 1980, Republican John Anderson split from the GOP ticket led by Reagan, and Reagan was still able to schlong Carter convincingly.

Neither time did they go third party. Let's say that Paul Ryan goes third Party, it would split the Republican Party right down the middle. That is what I meant to say. And I think you knew it.

Actually, both times they went 3rd Party. Wallace and Thurmond, as well as Anderson, established their own political parties.

If Paul Ryan- example given- ran, as a 3rd party, it would help expand Trump's margins, by splitting the anti-trump vote.

Wallace ran 3rd party in 1968 when there was no incumbent president. Johnson declined to run and Humphrey won the primary.

Thurmond was a Dixiecrat. He split the Democratic ticket. yes, by a whopping popular vote of 2.4%. But he pulled the 5 southern dixiecrat states just like Wallace did. Wow, run a complete Jim Crow Ticket always works, doesn't it. I doubt if either Thurmond nor Wallace really counts. They couldn't get elected as dog catchers except in the Dixiecrat states. The KKK vote really doesn't amount to a whole lot. Thurmond didn't end up with a single Electoral College Vote while Wallace did pull one state.

Anderson had a problem. He couldn't decide if he was a Republican or a Democrat so he ran as both. That worked at first but in the end, the two party system won out. He had as many famous Democrats endorsing him as he did the Rockefeller Republicans. He was a Liberal. In reality, he murdered Carters votes, not Reagans. He helped Reagan. Bad example for you.

Now, run someone like Paul Ryan who would be a serious contender without the baggage and has a solid message whether you agree with him or not. He would draw at least 14% of the Republican votes and a whole bunch of Indies. Who knows, he might even draw a few Dems as well. End result would be, if the Dems lost, the winner would be Paul Ryan. it's a little tough to win a Presidency with less than 22% of the popular votes. No matter how much you try and cheat on that one, it goes in either the loss category or the Felony category for the win.

I was referring to Vice President Henry Wallace, not George C., who ran in 1948.

And John B. Anderson who ran in 1980 was clearly a Republican,serving 20 years as Rep. congressman.

Henry Wallace ran against Truman for VP in 1944 and lost. Then in 1948, Wallace was involved in the first of the nasty Communist Debacles. No, he wasn't a communist and neither were MOST of those that were accused of it but the accusation alone was enough to kill his presidential run.

Enough of this, "Hey, look over there". With Trump leaving office (no reason nor time given) that ends the Party of Trump, that leaves only the Democrat Party as the dominant party. Is that what you want to see? Or do you want to see the GOP cleaned up and presented in such a way that it can present itself to the Voter once again. Again, read the 1956 Republican Plank to see when the Republicans were loved by ALL America with the possible exception of the Dixiecrats and the KKK

If the Republican Party were to stand up with Hillary Clinton and agree that Trump's supporters are Deplorables and pledge to embrace the crazy collectivist dreams like the New Green Deal, they might as well just close up shop. You saw the way the GOP got schlonged in 2012 and 2008, that kind of platform is a losing one, a sure trip to palookaville. I can't see such an idea gaining much support or traction. The key in the post Trump area is to BUILD ON the base that Trump has given the GOP. Not to get rid of anyone,but instead to bring in Employed African Americans, Mexicans, Orientals and even non-radical Homosexuals onboard. Guys like Paul Ryan are rather pathetic losers. He already had his chances. Two big ones. Failure as VP candidate in 2012, and a complete and abject failure as Speaker of the House. Further, he has no appeal to the liberals even. I remember the 2012 campaign, Rep. Ryan was considered to be Literally Hitler he really didn't have anything to say about it. Yes, bringing in his small number of supporters can't hurt, but almost everyone realizes he doesn't have any clout.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Neither time did they go third party. Let's say that Paul Ryan goes third Party, it would split the Republican Party right down the middle. That is what I meant to say. And I think you knew it.

Actually, both times they went 3rd Party. Wallace and Thurmond, as well as Anderson, established their own political parties.

If Paul Ryan- example given- ran, as a 3rd party, it would help expand Trump's margins, by splitting the anti-trump vote.

Wallace ran 3rd party in 1968 when there was no incumbent president. Johnson declined to run and Humphrey won the primary.

Thurmond was a Dixiecrat. He split the Democratic ticket. yes, by a whopping popular vote of 2.4%. But he pulled the 5 southern dixiecrat states just like Wallace did. Wow, run a complete Jim Crow Ticket always works, doesn't it. I doubt if either Thurmond nor Wallace really counts. They couldn't get elected as dog catchers except in the Dixiecrat states. The KKK vote really doesn't amount to a whole lot. Thurmond didn't end up with a single Electoral College Vote while Wallace did pull one state.

Anderson had a problem. He couldn't decide if he was a Republican or a Democrat so he ran as both. That worked at first but in the end, the two party system won out. He had as many famous Democrats endorsing him as he did the Rockefeller Republicans. He was a Liberal. In reality, he murdered Carters votes, not Reagans. He helped Reagan. Bad example for you.

Now, run someone like Paul Ryan who would be a serious contender without the baggage and has a solid message whether you agree with him or not. He would draw at least 14% of the Republican votes and a whole bunch of Indies. Who knows, he might even draw a few Dems as well. End result would be, if the Dems lost, the winner would be Paul Ryan. it's a little tough to win a Presidency with less than 22% of the popular votes. No matter how much you try and cheat on that one, it goes in either the loss category or the Felony category for the win.

I was referring to Vice President Henry Wallace, not George C., who ran in 1948.

And John B. Anderson who ran in 1980 was clearly a Republican,serving 20 years as Rep. congressman.

Henry Wallace ran against Truman for VP in 1944 and lost. Then in 1948, Wallace was involved in the first of the nasty Communist Debacles. No, he wasn't a communist and neither were MOST of those that were accused of it but the accusation alone was enough to kill his presidential run.

Enough of this, "Hey, look over there". With Trump leaving office (no reason nor time given) that ends the Party of Trump, that leaves only the Democrat Party as the dominant party. Is that what you want to see? Or do you want to see the GOP cleaned up and presented in such a way that it can present itself to the Voter once again. Again, read the 1956 Republican Plank to see when the Republicans were loved by ALL America with the possible exception of the Dixiecrats and the KKK

If the Republican Party were to stand up with Hillary Clinton and agree that Trump's supporters are Deplorables and pledge to embrace the crazy collectivist dreams like the New Green Deal, they might as well just close up shop. You saw the way the GOP got schlonged in 2012 and 2008, that kind of platform is a losing one, a sure trip to palookaville. I can't see such an idea gaining much support or traction. The key in the post Trump area is to BUILD ON the base that Trump has given the GOP. Not to get rid of anyone,but instead to bring in Employed African Americans, Mexicans, Orientals and even non-radical Homosexuals onboard. Guys like Paul Ryan are rather pathetic losers. He already had his chances. Two big ones. Failure as VP candidate in 2012, and a complete and abject failure as Speaker of the House. Further, he has no appeal to the liberals even. I remember the 2012 campaign, Rep. Ryan was considered to be Literally Hitler he really didn't have anything to say about it. Yes, bringing in his small number of supporters can't hurt, but almost everyone realizes he doesn't have any clout.

All you want to do is perpetuate the hate. They are NOT going to build on the Party of Trump. There is only one Trump and when he leaves, the party goes with him. Get over that. And you aren't going to find anyone like him in the next 100 years. Some time in the future, the Party of Trump is gone. Get over that. The question is, what is the GOP going to do to build itself back up. Right now, the GOP doesn't exist. If it doesn't build itself back up in a way that the general population can accept, get ready for a whole long succession of Democratic Presidents. Can you put your hate and venom aside long enough to discuss that? it's not about the Democrats. It's about the Republicans. An the Party of Trump and Trump are not Republicans. Once you realize that then you are going to need to help rebuild the GOP. Otherwise, you end up with your own worst nightmares whether they are real or imagined.

 

[okfine]

Actually, both times they went 3rd Party. Wallace and Thurmond, as well as Anderson, established their own political parties.

If Paul Ryan- example given- ran, as a 3rd party, it would help expand Trump's margins, by splitting the anti-trump vote.

Wallace ran 3rd party in 1968 when there was no incumbent president. Johnson declined to run and Humphrey won the primary.

Thurmond was a Dixiecrat. He split the Democratic ticket. yes, by a whopping popular vote of 2.4%. But he pulled the 5 southern dixiecrat states just like Wallace did. Wow, run a complete Jim Crow Ticket always works, doesn't it. I doubt if either Thurmond nor Wallace really counts. They couldn't get elected as dog catchers except in the Dixiecrat states. The KKK vote really doesn't amount to a whole lot. Thurmond didn't end up with a single Electoral College Vote while Wallace did pull one state.

Anderson had a problem. He couldn't decide if he was a Republican or a Democrat so he ran as both. That worked at first but in the end, the two party system won out. He had as many famous Democrats endorsing him as he did the Rockefeller Republicans. He was a Liberal. In reality, he murdered Carters votes, not Reagans. He helped Reagan. Bad example for you.

Now, run someone like Paul Ryan who would be a serious contender without the baggage and has a solid message whether you agree with him or not. He would draw at least 14% of the Republican votes and a whole bunch of Indies. Who knows, he might even draw a few Dems as well. End result would be, if the Dems lost, the winner would be Paul Ryan. it's a little tough to win a Presidency with less than 22% of the popular votes. No matter how much you try and cheat on that one, it goes in either the loss category or the Felony category for the win.

I was referring to Vice President Henry Wallace, not George C., who ran in 1948.

And John B. Anderson who ran in 1980 was clearly a Republican,serving 20 years as Rep. congressman.

Henry Wallace ran against Truman for VP in 1944 and lost. Then in 1948, Wallace was involved in the first of the nasty Communist Debacles. No, he wasn't a communist and neither were MOST of those that were accused of it but the accusation alone was enough to kill his presidential run.

Enough of this, "Hey, look over there". With Trump leaving office (no reason nor time given) that ends the Party of Trump, that leaves only the Democrat Party as the dominant party. Is that what you want to see? Or do you want to see the GOP cleaned up and presented in such a way that it can present itself to the Voter once again. Again, read the 1956 Republican Plank to see when the Republicans were loved by ALL America with the possible exception of the Dixiecrats and the KKK

If the Republican Party were to stand up with Hillary Clinton and agree that Trump's supporters are Deplorables and pledge to embrace the crazy collectivist dreams like the New Green Deal, they might as well just close up shop. You saw the way the GOP got schlonged in 2012 and 2008, that kind of platform is a losing one, a sure trip to palookaville. I can't see such an idea gaining much support or traction. The key in the post Trump area is to BUILD ON the base that Trump has given the GOP. Not to get rid of anyone,but instead to bring in Employed African Americans, Mexicans, Orientals and even non-radical Homosexuals onboard. Guys like Paul Ryan are rather pathetic losers. He already had his chances. Two big ones. Failure as VP candidate in 2012, and a complete and abject failure as Speaker of the House. Further, he has no appeal to the liberals even. I remember the 2012 campaign, Rep. Ryan was considered to be Literally Hitler he really didn't have anything to say about it. Yes, bringing in his small number of supporters can't hurt, but almost everyone realizes he doesn't have any clout.

All you want to do is perpetuate the hate. They are NOT going to build on the Party of Trump. There is only one Trump and when he leaves, the party goes with him. Get over that. And you aren't going to find anyone like him in the next 100 years. Some time in the future, the Party of Trump is gone. Get over that. The question is, what is the GOP going to do to build itself back up. Right now, the GOP doesn't exist. If it doesn't build itself back up in a way that the general population can accept, get ready for a whole long succession of Democratic Presidents. Can you put your hate and venom aside long enough to discuss that? it's not about the Democrats. It's about the Republicans. An the Party of Trump and Trump are not Republicans. Once you realize that then you are going to need to help rebuild the GOP. Otherwise, you end up with your own worst nightmares whether they are real or imagined.

And the remnants of the tea party, too.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Wallace ran 3rd party in 1968 when there was no incumbent president. Johnson declined to run and Humphrey won the primary.

Thurmond was a Dixiecrat. He split the Democratic ticket. yes, by a whopping popular vote of 2.4%. But he pulled the 5 southern dixiecrat states just like Wallace did. Wow, run a complete Jim Crow Ticket always works, doesn't it. I doubt if either Thurmond nor Wallace really counts. They couldn't get elected as dog catchers except in the Dixiecrat states. The KKK vote really doesn't amount to a whole lot. Thurmond didn't end up with a single Electoral College Vote while Wallace did pull one state.

Anderson had a problem. He couldn't decide if he was a Republican or a Democrat so he ran as both. That worked at first but in the end, the two party system won out. He had as many famous Democrats endorsing him as he did the Rockefeller Republicans. He was a Liberal. In reality, he murdered Carters votes, not Reagans. He helped Reagan. Bad example for you.

Now, run someone like Paul Ryan who would be a serious contender without the baggage and has a solid message whether you agree with him or not. He would draw at least 14% of the Republican votes and a whole bunch of Indies. Who knows, he might even draw a few Dems as well. End result would be, if the Dems lost, the winner would be Paul Ryan. it's a little tough to win a Presidency with less than 22% of the popular votes. No matter how much you try and cheat on that one, it goes in either the loss category or the Felony category for the win.

I was referring to Vice President Henry Wallace, not George C., who ran in 1948.

And John B. Anderson who ran in 1980 was clearly a Republican,serving 20 years as Rep. congressman.

Henry Wallace ran against Truman for VP in 1944 and lost. Then in 1948, Wallace was involved in the first of the nasty Communist Debacles. No, he wasn't a communist and neither were MOST of those that were accused of it but the accusation alone was enough to kill his presidential run.

Enough of this, "Hey, look over there". With Trump leaving office (no reason nor time given) that ends the Party of Trump, that leaves only the Democrat Party as the dominant party. Is that what you want to see? Or do you want to see the GOP cleaned up and presented in such a way that it can present itself to the Voter once again. Again, read the 1956 Republican Plank to see when the Republicans were loved by ALL America with the possible exception of the Dixiecrats and the KKK

If the Republican Party were to stand up with Hillary Clinton and agree that Trump's supporters are Deplorables and pledge to embrace the crazy collectivist dreams like the New Green Deal, they might as well just close up shop. You saw the way the GOP got schlonged in 2012 and 2008, that kind of platform is a losing one, a sure trip to palookaville. I can't see such an idea gaining much support or traction. The key in the post Trump area is to BUILD ON the base that Trump has given the GOP. Not to get rid of anyone,but instead to bring in Employed African Americans, Mexicans, Orientals and even non-radical Homosexuals onboard. Guys like Paul Ryan are rather pathetic losers. He already had his chances. Two big ones. Failure as VP candidate in 2012, and a complete and abject failure as Speaker of the House. Further, he has no appeal to the liberals even. I remember the 2012 campaign, Rep. Ryan was considered to be Literally Hitler he really didn't have anything to say about it. Yes, bringing in his small number of supporters can't hurt, but almost everyone realizes he doesn't have any clout.

All you want to do is perpetuate the hate. They are NOT going to build on the Party of Trump. There is only one Trump and when he leaves, the party goes with him. Get over that. And you aren't going to find anyone like him in the next 100 years. Some time in the future, the Party of Trump is gone. Get over that. The question is, what is the GOP going to do to build itself back up. Right now, the GOP doesn't exist. If it doesn't build itself back up in a way that the general population can accept, get ready for a whole long succession of Democratic Presidents. Can you put your hate and venom aside long enough to discuss that? it's not about the Democrats. It's about the Republicans. An the Party of Trump and Trump are not Republicans. Once you realize that then you are going to need to help rebuild the GOP. Otherwise, you end up with your own worst nightmares whether they are real or imagined.

And the remnants of the tea party, too.

Here is a funny one. I am one of the original Tea Party members. But it got hijacked by the same bunch that hijacked the Republican Party. This is why we need to turn the clock back on the Republican Party back to the day when it really WAS for America, all America. Otherwise, get used to the Democrats running every piece of crap they can come up with and getting them elected for President. Haven't we had enough of that already?