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You say it's 'tilted'?
You won't admit your most egregious errors, let alone your more subtle ones. Science based!
Let me guess...you are stupid enough to believe the ozone scam.
again, who you going to believe... Scientists or some guy who listens to whatever shit the Koch Brothers have ladeled out to him on Hate Radio.
here's the real problem. We solved a problem through international agreement and government regulation. We found alternatives to CFC's and we barely noticed the difference.
You see, there used to be a time when Conservatives accepted science. Maybe they disagreed with liberals on Government vs. Free Market solutions, but they didn't pretend a problem didn't exist.
So Nixon created the EPA to stop pollution and Ronald Reagan, that Godless Commie Lover, signed the Montreal Protocol to reduce CFC's.
That was before the Koch-Suckers took over the GOP and got into the crazy of " Well, if Science limits the ability of rich people to make an obscene profit, we oppose it! Fuck Science!"
Hey, it is the guy with no informed opinion of his own again. Tell me, do you have any evidence whatsoever to support your claims regarding my radio listening habits? Didn't think so.
Again...I am perfectly willing to discuss the science...it is you who is locked in politics and is doing nothing but expressing political opinions? And again, the montreal protocols allowed Dupont to make obscene profits selling an expensive, less efficient refrigerant that they couldn't sell at all while freon was still on the market. The environmental movement was hijacked by Dupont for fun and profit and since you don't know the first thing about the ozone hole, you accept the scam as real, and instantly dislike anyone who points out to you the fact that you were scammed.
Hey, it is the guy with no informed opinion of his own again. Tell me, do you have any evidence whatsoever to support your claims regarding my radio listening habits? Didn't think so.
You mean other than the mindless talking points you blurt out?
Naw, man, I really don't think DuPont has enough money to buy off all the scientists all over the world who agreed this was a real problem. Most of us barely noticed Freon went off the market... and my family has worked in HVAC for 70 years.
And whenever someone talks about "vast conspiracies" then I just can't take them fucking seriously.
Guess you didn't read through the thread..
Guess history isn't your thing either...You think conspiracies don't exist? You don't think multiple tens of trillions of dollars could fuel one? You are more naive than I first thought.
Guess you didn't read through the thread..
No, I really don't waste time on denier talking points. But I will happily validate to the Koch Brothers that you gave it your bet shot.
Guess history isn't your thing either...You think conspiracies don't exist? You don't think multiple tens of trillions of dollars could fuel one? You are more naive than I first thought.
Oh, no. There are no "conspiracies', there are rich guys like the Koch brothers who figured out they can fund bullshit skeptics to keep government from acting for our survival. So pretending that that Ozone crisis wasn't a thing was part of that.
Guess you didn't read through the thread..
No, I really don't waste time on denier talking points. But I will happily validate to the Koch Brothers that you gave it your bet shot.
Oh, no. There are no "conspiracies', there are rich guys like the Koch brothers who figured out they can fund bullshit skeptics to keep government from acting for our survival. So pretending that that Ozone crisis wasn't a thing was part of that.
Guess you didn't read through the thread..
No, I really don't waste time on denier talking points. But I will happily validate to the Koch Brothers that you gave it your bet shot.
Guess history isn't your thing either...You think conspiracies don't exist? You don't think multiple tens of trillions of dollars could fuel one? You are more naive than I first thought.
Oh, no. There are no "conspiracies', there are rich guys like the Koch brothers who figured out they can fund bullshit skeptics to keep government from acting for our survival. So pretending that that Ozone crisis wasn't a thing was part of that.
I am always astounded at the folks that think that every single scientist on the planet has chosen to put their careers if not risk jail time in order to obtain research funding, none of which will go into their own pockets WHILE COMPLETELY IGNORING THE MOTIVATION THE FOSSIL FUEL INDUSTRY HAS TO COUNTER CONCERNS ABOUT AGW.
Use your brain just a bit hairball...If incoming UV from the sun is required to maintain the ozone in the upper atmosphere...and the half life of an ozone molecule in ideal conditions at room temperature is a day,
So speaks ignorance. Can't help you if you aren't willing to learn.
So you don't think that it is possible for a large corporation to buy politicians who then act in the interest of the corporation?
And that's why, contrary to your crazy claims, the ozone layer does not vanish every night. Good night, thanks for playing.
No, I'm just not too keen on being lied to by rich people. At least if they aren't paying me... I mean, I expect to be lied to when I'm at work by rich people... that's part of the job.
Politicians all over the world of all political stripes, and the scientists who study this thing, all of them? Um.. no. They could just as easily spend the money on process improvement to make their new coolant better and cheaper. Especially since DuPont ALREADY OWNED the trademark on Freon, which was replaced.
So what happened was that Scientists identified a problem.
to have cleared that up for you.
And yet, you are being led by people being funded by the richest and most powerful people in the world....
Alas, it isn't all of them...as evidenced by the scientific materials I have provided.
Freon which was cheap and you are selling it by the truckload...but you have a product which is expensive but you can't sell...what might a good marketing department suggest should happen to the cheap product which would then allow you to sell just as much of the new, more expensive product?
If you can't figure that one out, it is little wonder that you are just a dupe.
Actually, that isn't what happened at all. The scientists who "discovered" the ozone hole went there, in fact, simply to prove that it exists. The theory was that less sunlight at the pole during the winter would result in less ozone. Their theory was proven..they intended to then go to the north pole to observe the same thing. Politicians fabricated a crisis...the scientists who discovered the hole saw no problem...they were just identifying a natural phenomenon that had been there, unnoticed all the time.
You are a tool...a dupe...a useful idiot who is so uneducated that he believes that science is out of the reach of everyone but people who have scientist on a diploma. You couldn't be more wrong. The fact is that just as much science is done by "citizen scientists" as those educated in a particular discipline. Unfortunate that you think that way...it makes you and people like you a perfect target for the elites of the world who are perfectly willing to use you for fun and profit.
Yup, you'll always find a flat earther out there somewhere...
Guy, I've worked in manufacturing for decades... You can always find a way to make it better and cheaper...
Um, no, that's exactly what happened.
Ozone depletion and the ozone hole have generated worldwide concern over increased cancer risks and other negative effects.....
The ban came into effect in 1989. Ozone levels stabilized by the mid-1990s and began to recover in the 2000s.
Guess you aren't very good at it...making it worse and more expensive is more profitable...especially if you find a way to eliminate the cheaper, better product from the market.
.As I have pointed out, in so far as the production, and life span of an ozone molecule goes, even those promoting the crisis agree with me...
You are wrong in your model of ozone distribution.You won't admit your most egregious errors, let alone your more subtle ones. Science based!
And you apparently aren't able to discuss the topic at all. How unsurprising is that?
Now...use your brain for just a minute if you are able. If there is no production of O3 when there is no incoming UV and if the lifespan of an O3 molecule in the stratosphere, depending on altitude is somewhere between 1000 and 4200 seconds, How much O3 do you think is left in the atmosphere on the dark side of earth....say 20 minutes before the first UV of the day hits the atmosphere and O3 production begins again?
- Ozone forms as a result of incoming UV breaking O2 molecules into O atoms...some of which form O3 molecules
- The Life span of an O molecule at 20km is about 0.002 seconds and at 32 km, it is about 0.04 seconds...those O atoms become O2 again, or O3 in small fractions of a second.
- When there is no incoming UV, there is no ozone formation
- The life span of an O3 molecule at 20km is about 1000 seconds
- The life span of an O3 molecule at 32km is about 4200 seconds
- I repeat, when there is no incoming UV, there is no production of O3
Now...how does that relate to the "ozone holes" over the polar regions during their respective winters?