The Overlap between antisemitism and anti-Zionism

[ShahdagMountains]

A zionist will always identify themselves so it's very easy to tell apart a decent Jewish person from a zionist.

The illogical stream of words that spew from the mouth of a person incapable of logical thinking or having a constructive conversation.

 

[Lisa558]

Not even finished page one and here we are discussing the permissibility of harming Jews, as long as you can give them a dehumanizing label and accuse them of a blood libel. Unbelievable.

He’s proving my point, isn’t he?

 

[Augustine_]

Not even finished page one and here we are discussing the permissibility of harming Jews, as long as you can give them a dehumanizing label and accuse them of a blood libel. Unbelievable.

Whoa did you just imply that zionists enjoy when a child is slaughtered by the IDF? Damn.

 

[Lisa558]

The illogical stream of words that spew from the mouth of a person incapable of logical thinking or having a constructive conversation.

He gives himself away when he talks about “a decent Jew.”

 

[Shusha]

Whoa did you just imply that zionists enjoy when a child is slaughtered by the IDF? Damn.

Oh look. More blood libels.

 

[Lisa558]

Whoa did you just imply that zionists enjoy when a child is slaughtered by the IDF? Damn.

Now he’s proving another point - this time about double standards. It wasn’t the “Zionists” who were cheering and applauding as the coffins of two Jewish babies tortured to death by HAMAS, and even took their own children to enjoy the “celebration.”

Instead, he switches to a lie about “Zionists” enjoying when a child is slaughtered.

 

[Lisa558]

Oh look. More blood libels.

That leftist is doing an amazing job of demonstrating the overlap I described in my OP - the code for “Jews,” the double standards, and now blood libel.

 

[Augustine_]

He gives himself away when he talks about “a decent Jew.”

I should have said decent "person." Since a lot of the people cheering the slaughter of children along with zionists are not Jewish.

 

[Lisa558]

I should have said decent "person." Since a lot of the people cheering the slaughter of children along with zionists are not Jewish.

Except you defaulted to “Jew.” Too late now. Your attitude is obvious.

And the only people cheering the slaughter of a child are the Palestinians.

 

[Augustine_]

It wasn’t the “Zionists” who were cheering and applauding as the coffins of two Jewish babies tortured to death by HAMAS, and even took their own children to enjoy the “celebration.”

Look at you comparing zionists to Hamas. Is it because both share a love of slaughtering children?

 

[Lisa558]

Look at you comparing zionists to Hamas. Is it because both share a love of slaughtering children?

1) Keep going. You’re doing an excellent job of showing how hate for Israelis is related to hate for Jews.

2) And if you weren’t so driven by your hate, you’d see I did NOT compare them. I explained the stark difference.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

Whoa did you just imply that zionists enjoy when a child is slaughtered by the IDF? Damn.

 

[Lisa558]

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IKR?

 

[Augustine_]

Keep going. You’re doing an excellent job of showing how hate for Israelis is related to hate for Jews.

Actually you are the one trying to lump all Jewish people in with the animals that refer to themselves as zionists.

 

[Lisa558]

Actually you are the one trying to lump all Jewish people in with the animals that refer to themselves as zionists.

Now it’s “animals.”

The vast, VAST majority of Jews support Israel’s right to exist. So you are saying the majority of Jews are animals?

Again, you’re doing a great job demonstrating the overlap between lying about Israelis, double standards, and contempt for Jews.

 

[Shusha]

I should have said decent "person." Since a lot of the people cheering the slaughter of children along with zionists are not Jewish.

No one here is "cheering the slaughter of children". That was a claim YOU introduced into the conversation in order to accuse a subset of Jews (the not-decent ones) of evil. That is what a blood libel is - a false representation of Jews in order to paint them as evil and worthy of harm.

 

[shockedcanadian]

It’s not coming equally from each side. It is now primarily from the Left. That is why you see the liberal universities in blue cities- Berkeley, UCLA, Columbia, NYU, etc., etc., etc., - having big problems with antisemitism, and also why schools in my liberal county are now bastions of antisemitism.

In general, yes. You have to understand that some young kid doesn't understand the world or history, they are sponges, easily influences and misguided. This is why undercover police in Canada like to entrap and target teenagers, it's like taking candy from a baby.

 

[Shusha]

Actually you are the one trying to lump all Jewish people in with the animals that refer to themselves as zionists.

Great. Now we have decent, human Jews and not-decent, animal, child-slaughtering Jews. Can't wait to see what page 3 brings.

 

[Foxfyre]

At the top of this subforum is a moderator announcement that opposition to Israel’s actions and hatred of Jews are two separate issues. While that certainly can be the case when criticism of Israel is specific and not exemplified by double standards or blood libel, very often criticism of Israel is indeed a cover for antisemitism, and the overlap is sometimes subtle and sometimes blatant:

1) We have posters who insist that their utter contempt for Israel is unrelated to dislike for Jews, and then in the very same post (or one that follows) refer to Netanyahu as “a Jewish bully” or make reference to “the Jewish terrorists.” If their hate for Israel is unrelated to Jews, why then identify them by their Jewish religion?

2) Similarly, where we have had active pro-Palestinian anti-Israel groups on college campuses, we have had chants of “Death to Jews!,” bullying and assaulting Jews, and even establishment of “No Jew Zones.” Clearly, there is an overlap between being against Israel and being against Jews.

3) Perhaps more subtlely, there is a tendency to use the descriptor “Zionist” in a broad and hateful way - such as “the evil Zionists” - when a Zionist is simply someone who supports the right of Israel to exist. Most Jews do, and many Christians. The word has recently taken on a negative connotation and has become a way to spew venom about Jews without saying the word.

4) Finally, the double standards applied to Israel when truly barbaric countries are never even mentioned is also a sign that hostility toward Jews is driving the criticism. This was one of Sharansky’s Three D’s of antisemitism.

To summarize, criticism of specific Israeli action (“Netanyahu is being too aggressive”) is not antisemitic while broad brush contempt using code words or lies (“those evil Zionists control the world!” or “the Zionist terrorists are committing genocide”) is.

The issue is quite complex, and the two very often overlap. The attached explains it in more detail.

https://legislature.maine.gov/legis/bills/getTestimonyDoc.asp?id=10042446

"Anti-Zionism" sounds more defensible and politically correct than "I hate Jews" or "I want Israel obliterated." But it's pretty much all one and the same.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

Great. Now we have decent, human Jews and not-decent, animal, child-slaughtering Jews. Can't wait to see what page 3 brings.

Arguing with a dork like that is giving credence to ignorance.