The OLDER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate

[Fishlore]

There are four or five million Palestinians under Israeli occupation. The UN and the USA and just about every nation on the planet agree that they should have a country of their own. If the UN doesn't implement this "two-state solution" in some form or other, what is going to happen to those Palestinians? One answer, I suppose, would be a "final solution" of mass murder. Not likely. Incorporating them into Eretz Israel means keeping them without voting rights and only limited personal rights because if the Palestinians are given full citienship, Jews become a minority in Israel.

Bibi and his Likud coalition are inching their way to some sort of one-state solution with limited rights for those millions of Palestinians. How can anyone with any knowledge of the past forty years of conflict think that plan is going to work?

Some right wingers think Likud can tough it out because the IDF is unbeatable in combat, but there isn't going to be any combat. There is going to be SBD economic sanction and Israel will not be able to resist that pressure. The USA will never waver in its support of Israel but that doesn't mean that we will back anything and everything that the right wing Likud dreams up.

I hope that condescending sarcasm such as "Yep! Those sanctions have worked out real well...in your imagination." can be omitted in future posts.

People continuously post a failed policy as successful.
Why should I not mock this?

Aside from the issue of mocking the poster not the policy, you shouldn't mock BDS as a failed policy because it hasn't yet been tried and so has neither failed nor succeeded.

 

[Indeependent]

There are four or five million Palestinians under Israeli occupation. The UN and the USA and just about every nation on the planet agree that they should have a country of their own. If the UN doesn't implement this "two-state solution" in some form or other, what is going to happen to those Palestinians? One answer, I suppose, would be a "final solution" of mass murder. Not likely. Incorporating them into Eretz Israel means keeping them without voting rights and only limited personal rights because if the Palestinians are given full citienship, Jews become a minority in Israel.

Bibi and his Likud coalition are inching their way to some sort of one-state solution with limited rights for those millions of Palestinians. How can anyone with any knowledge of the past forty years of conflict think that plan is going to work?

Some right wingers think Likud can tough it out because the IDF is unbeatable in combat, but there isn't going to be any combat. There is going to be SBD economic sanction and Israel will not be able to resist that pressure. The USA will never waver in its support of Israel but that doesn't mean that we will back anything and everything that the right wing Likud dreams up.

I hope that condescending sarcasm such as "Yep! Those sanctions have worked out real well...in your imagination." can be omitted in future posts.

People continuously post a failed policy as successful.
Why should I not mock this?

Aside from the issue of mocking the poster not the policy, you shouldn't mock BDS as a failed policy because it hasn't yet been tried and so has neither failed nor succeeded.

It hasn't been tried?!
Whatever validity you had just got blown away.

 

[montelatici]

There are four or five million Palestinians under Israeli occupation. The UN and the USA and just about every nation on the planet agree that they should have a country of their own. If the UN doesn't implement this "two-state solution" in some form or other, what is going to happen to those Palestinians? One answer, I suppose, would be a "final solution" of mass murder. Not likely. Incorporating them into Eretz Israel means keeping them without voting rights and only limited personal rights because if the Palestinians are given full citienship, Jews become a minority in Israel.

Bibi and his Likud coalition are inching their way to some sort of one-state solution with limited rights for those millions of Palestinians. How can anyone with any knowledge of the past forty years of conflict think that plan is going to work?

Some right wingers think Likud can tough it out because the IDF is unbeatable in combat, but there isn't going to be any combat. There is going to be SBD economic sanction and Israel will not be able to resist that pressure. The USA will never waver in its support of Israel but that doesn't mean that we will back anything and everything that the right wing Likud dreams up.

I hope that condescending sarcasm such as "Yep! Those sanctions have worked out real well...in your imagination." can be omitted in future posts.

People continuously post a failed policy as successful.
Why should I not mock this?

Aside from the issue of mocking the poster not the policy, you shouldn't mock BDS as a failed policy because it hasn't yet been tried and so has neither failed nor succeeded.

It hasn't been tried?!
Whatever validity you had just got blown away.

In comparison with the equivalent movement against South Africa. BDS is way ahead.

In 1962, the first call for disinvestment with respect to South Africa was mocked by all Western nations. In 1964 the International Conference for Economic Sanctions Against South Africa. The conference was held to be illegal and unconstitutional by the British government. It wasn't until the mid-80s that the full brunt of the sanctions were brought to bear. It took over 20 years. BDS is about 10 years old.

 

[Shusha]

Then Boston is right. The way to solve the problem is to expel as many of the Arab Muslim Palestinians as possible. Those remaining will adopt the Jewish language, faith and culture and in a hundred years or so Israel will be 100% Jewish. And Arab Muslim Palestinians will be nothing but foreign colonists.

Is that what you call the Jewish caliphate?

It was sarcasm, Billo. Meant to illuminate the silliness of the argument that those who colonize and conquor become the indigenous culture after everyone adopts the colonizing culture. See? If the Jewish people do what the Arab Muslims did then the Jewish people, according to the Palestinians-are-indigenous argument, will in the future be the indigenous culture. See how that works? We can make the Jewish people the indigenous culture again through colonization and force.

Its always fun to turn the tables with the anti-Israel crowd. Ethnic cleansing, forced conversion, colonization is all fine and dandy when the Arab Muslims are doing it, but when you flip the card and suggest that the Jewish people do the same thing -- suddenly its immoral.

 

[montelatici]

Then Boston is right. The way to solve the problem is to expel as many of the Arab Muslim Palestinians as possible. Those remaining will adopt the Jewish language, faith and culture and in a hundred years or so Israel will be 100% Jewish. And Arab Muslim Palestinians will be nothing but foreign colonists.

Is that what you call the Jewish caliphate?

It was sarcasm, Billo. Meant to illuminate the silliness of the argument that those who colonize and conquor become the indigenous culture after everyone adopts the colonizing culture. See? If the Jewish people do what the Arab Muslims did then the Jewish people, according to the Palestinians-are-indigenous argument, will in the future be the indigenous culture. See how that works? We can make the Jewish people the indigenous culture again through colonization and force.

Its always fun to turn the tables with the anti-Israel crowd. Ethnic cleansing, forced conversion, colonization is all fine and dandy when the Arab Muslims are doing it, but when you flip the card and suggest that the Jewish people do the same thing -- suddenly its immoral.

What did the Muslim or Christian Palestinians do to the Jews that you are complaining about? The people of Palestine were all Christians when the Muslims invaded.

 

[Fishlore]

There are four or five million Palestinians under Israeli occupation. The UN and the USA and just about every nation on the planet agree that they should have a country of their own. If the UN doesn't implement this "two-state solution" in some form or other, what is going to happen to those Palestinians? One answer, I suppose, would be a "final solution" of mass murder. Not likely. Incorporating them into Eretz Israel means keeping them without voting rights and only limited personal rights because if the Palestinians are given full citienship, Jews become a minority in Israel.

Bibi and his Likud coalition are inching their way to some sort of one-state solution with limited rights for those millions of Palestinians. How can anyone with any knowledge of the past forty years of conflict think that plan is going to work?

Some right wingers think Likud can tough it out because the IDF is unbeatable in combat, but there isn't going to be any combat. There is going to be SBD economic sanction and Israel will not be able to resist that pressure. The USA will never waver in its support of Israel but that doesn't mean that we will back anything and everything that the right wing Likud dreams up.

I hope that condescending sarcasm such as "Yep! Those sanctions have worked out real well...in your imagination." can be omitted in future posts.

People continuously post a failed policy as successful.
Why should I not mock this?

Aside from the issue of mocking the poster not the policy, you shouldn't mock BDS as a failed policy because it hasn't yet been tried and so has neither failed nor succeeded.

It hasn't been tried?!
Whatever validity you had just got blown away.

I think you mean "credibility" not "validity." Hard to tell. BDS has not become the policy of any national government or supra-national organization. The various symbolic protests and calls for divestment have alarmed Likud but had not real effect yet. Sanctions can only be done by sovereign bodies. Significant boycott by international trading partners has yet to occur.

The day that BDS programs such as those imposed on Iran and North Korea are applied to Israel will, in all likelyhood, never come because once Israel gets the "no kidding" message from the USA, as in "we aren't going to veto the UN resolution," or the EU imposes a boycott on Israeli goods, the state of Israel will back down because Israel cannot survive without continuous outside financial support.

If you persist in attacking me personally I will have the unhappy choice of replying in kind or ignoring you. Please stick to the issue.

 

[Indeependent]

I hope that condescending sarcasm such as "Yep! Those sanctions have worked out real well...in your imagination." can be omitted in future posts.

People continuously post a failed policy as successful.
Why should I not mock this?

Aside from the issue of mocking the poster not the policy, you shouldn't mock BDS as a failed policy because it hasn't yet been tried and so has neither failed nor succeeded.

It hasn't been tried?!
Whatever validity you had just got blown away.

I think you mean "credibility" not "validity." Hard to tell. BDS has not become the policy of any national government or supra-national organization. The various symbolic protests and calls for divestment have alarmed Likud but had not real effect yet. Sanctions can only be done by sovereign bodies. Significant boycott by international trading partners has yet to occur.

The day that BDS programs such as those imposed on Iran and North Korea are applied to Israel will, in all likelyhood, never come because once Israel gets the "no kidding" message from the USA, as in "we aren't going to veto the UN resolution," or the EU imposes a boycott on Israeli goods, the state of Israel will back down because Israel cannot survive without continuous outside financial support.

If you persist in attacking me personally I will have the unhappy choice of replying in kind or ignoring you. Please stick to the issue.

I am sticking to the issue, the BDS movement has been an abject failure.
Lending it's "success" any credibility shows you didn't do your research before asserting it was a success.

 

[Challenger]

I am sticking to the issue, the BDS movement has been an abject failure...

...which is why the Zionist camp has been spending $millions trying to combat it and the Zionist regime calls it a strategic threat...not quite "abject" and still ongoing so not a "failure" either.

 

[Indeependent]

I am sticking to the issue, the BDS movement has been an abject failure...

...which is why the Zionist camp has been spending $millions trying to combat it and the Zionist regime calls it a strategic threat...not quite "abject" and still ongoing so not a "failure" either.

I guess that's why Israelis are inundated with global business contracts.

 

[Fishlore]

People continuously post a failed policy as successful.
Why should I not mock this?

Aside from the issue of mocking the poster not the policy, you shouldn't mock BDS as a failed policy because it hasn't yet been tried and so has neither failed nor succeeded.

It hasn't been tried?!
Whatever validity you had just got blown away.

I think you mean "credibility" not "validity." Hard to tell. BDS has not become the policy of any national government or supra-national organization. The various symbolic protests and calls for divestment have alarmed Likud but had not real effect yet. Sanctions can only be done by sovereign bodies. Significant boycott by international trading partners has yet to occur.

The day that BDS programs such as those imposed on Iran and North Korea are applied to Israel will, in all likelyhood, never come because once Israel gets the "no kidding" message from the USA, as in "we aren't going to veto the UN resolution," or the EU imposes a boycott on Israeli goods, the state of Israel will back down because Israel cannot survive without continuous outside financial support.

If you persist in attacking me personally I will have the unhappy choice of replying in kind or ignoring you. Please stick to the issue.

I am sticking to the issue, the BDS movement has been an abject failure.
Lending it's "success" any credibility shows you didn't do your research before asserting it was a success.

What I said in post #483 was "There is going to be SBD economic sanction and Israel will not be able to resist that pressure." You might want to not the future tense "going to be." The BDS movement has grown in support and continues to grow. It isn't a "failure" it is a "proposal."

There are are only two alternatives to BDS. One is to walk away and leave Likud with the fruits of its illegal aggression, including millions of stateless Palestinians, in violation of UN resolutions and US policy. The other is war. No one can predicte the future; however, SBD seems the most likely of the three.

 

[Challenger]

I am sticking to the issue, the BDS movement has been an abject failure...

...which is why the Zionist camp has been spending $millions trying to combat it and the Zionist regime calls it a strategic threat...not quite "abject" and still ongoing so not a "failure" either.

I guess that's why Israelis are inundated with global business contracts.

So was South Africa in it's day.

 

[Fishlore]

I am sticking to the issue, the BDS movement has been an abject failure...

...which is why the Zionist camp has been spending $millions trying to combat it and the Zionist regime calls it a strategic threat...not quite "abject" and still ongoing so not a "failure" either.

I guess that's why Israelis are inundated with global business contracts.

You make a good point. Israel is dependent on international trade and aid. Unlike, say, Iran, Israel cannot produce its own energy or food. When the trade and investment from other countries flows, Israel does great because it's high tech industries produce real value added. On the other hand, if international trade is cut off, Israel cannot survive.

You seem to think that Israel is "inundated" with international business. This is a bit of an overstatement. The global slowdown isn't doing Israel any good and the internal economy has some real problems with low income families and rising costs of food and housing. In any event, Israel is not suffering from BDS because those sanctions, boycotts and disinvestments aren't happening. They are being talked about more and more and the Israeli response is is becoming increasingly shrill, a sure sign that, if applied, BDS would bring Israel to its knees.

That isn't going to happen because once the threat of BDS becomes imanent, Israel will do whatever is required to prevent BDS from going into effect. Israel's biggest trading partner is not the USA, it is the EU. BDS is not something that the US can block with a veto in the Security Council or anyplace else.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

I am sticking to the issue, the BDS movement has been an abject failure...

...which is why the Zionist camp has been spending $millions trying to combat it and the Zionist regime calls it a strategic threat...not quite "abject" and still ongoing so not a "failure" either.

I guess that's why Israelis are inundated with global business contracts.

You make a good point. Israel is dependent on international trade and aid. Unlike, say, Iran, Israel cannot produce its own energy or food. When the trade and investment from other countries flows, Israel does great because it's high tech industries produce real value added. On the other hand, if international trade is cut off, Israel cannot survive.

You seem to think that Israel is "inundated" with international business. This is a bit of an overstatement. The global slowdown isn't doing Israel any good and the internal economy has some real problems with low income families and rising costs of food and housing. In any event, Israel is not suffering from BDS because those sanctions, boycotts and disinvestments aren't happening. They are being talked about more and more and the Israeli response is is becoming increasingly shrill, a sure sign that, if applied, BDS would bring Israel to its knees.

That isn't going to happen because once the threat of BDS becomes imanent, Israel will do whatever is required to prevent BDS from going into effect. Israel's biggest trading partner is not the USA, it is the EU. BDS is not something that the US can block with a veto in the Security Council or anyplace else.

I don't think Israel is dependent on anyone for food. There are many kibbutzim (farms) in Israel. Energy and some manufactured goods are somewhat of a concern. Remember that the BDS movement only applies to the territories (and ironically hurts Palestinian workers), and not to goods produced in Israel. Also, Israel is a leader in the high-tech industry, and gets alot of foreign aid from America. They will not go under anytime soon.

 

[montelatici]

Israel has to import 80% of the grain it consumes. Israel is dependent on aid from abroad especially from the U.S. and World Jewry, without it Israel would go under.

 

[Indeependent]

Israel has to import 80% of the grain it consumes. Israel is dependent on aid from abroad especially from the U.S. and World Jewry, without it Israel would go under.

Key phrase..."World Jew"; overwhelmingly educated and successful.

 

[montelatici]

Israel has to import 80% of the grain it consumes. Israel is dependent on aid from abroad especially from the U.S. and World Jewry, without it Israel would go under.

Key phrase..."World Jew"; overwhelmingly educated and successful.

"World Jewry" has a specific meaning that you may not be familiar with.

 

[Hollie]

Israel has to import 80% of the grain it consumes. Israel is dependent on aid from abroad especially from the U.S. and World Jewry, without it Israel would go under.

Just more of your pointless babbling.

Israel Economy Facts & Stats

 

[abu afak]

You make a good point. Israel is dependent on international trade and aid. Unlike, say, Iran, Israel cannot produce its own energy or food. When the trade and investment from other countries flows, Israel does great because it's high tech industries produce real value added. On the other hand, if international trade is cut off, Israel cannot survive.

Challenger NEVER makes good points.
He is an 'anti-cough-zionist' and Not knowledgeable on the conflict, and obviously neither are you.

Israel has HUGE Natural Gas deposits already in production, and will be exporting them by the end of this year.
The First signing customer is... the Palestinian Authority.
ALL the neighbors want some.
This is such OLD and Ongoing News, but apparently hasn't reached you.
Google
If you are not aware of this.. you know NOTHING and are not even in this discussion/section.

It is using also using that NG for DeSal projects and despite being in good part desert, will be a net exporter of Water.
Of course - The Inventor of Drip Irrigation - Israel - recycles 80% of it's water, 8x second place Spain.

Made in Israel: Water

It is Not dependent on Aid, tho it does help subsidize it's large Defense budget.
It has one of the best economies on the planet.
Good luck with a grain embargo. LOL.

You seem to think that Israel is "inundated" with international business. This is a bit of an overstatement. The global slowdown isn't doing Israel any good and the internal economy has some real problems with low income families and rising costs of food and housing. In any event, Israel is not suffering from BDS because those sanctions, boycotts and disinvestments aren't happening. They are being talked about more and more and the Israeli response is is becoming increasingly shrill, a sure sign that, if applied, BDS would bring Israel to its knees.

Global slowdown doesn't do anyone any good.
But Tech cos like Intel Flock to (and are expanding in) Israel for Jewish Brains.



Also
Made in Israel – Medicine
+

 

[Challenger]

Challenger NEVER makes good points.
He is an 'anti-cough-zionist' and Not knowledgeable on the conflict...

LOL! You know they're running scared when they post this sort of drivel.

 

[Fishlore]

You make a good point. Israel is dependent on international trade and aid. Unlike, say, Iran, Israel cannot produce its own energy or food. When the trade and investment from other countries flows, Israel does great because it's high tech industries produce real value added. On the other hand, if international trade is cut off, Israel cannot survive.

Challenger NEVER makes good points.
He is an 'anti-cough-zionist' and Not knowledgeable on the conflict, and obviously neither are you.

Israel has HUGE Natural Gas deposits already in production, and will be exporting them by the end of this year.
The First signing customer is... the Palestinian Authority.
ALL the neighbors want some.
This is such OLD and Ongoing News, but apparently hasn't reached you.
Google
If you are not aware of this.. you know NOTHING and are not even in this discussion/section.

It is using also using that NG for DeSal projects and despite being in good part desert, will be a net exporter of Water.
Of course - The Inventor of Drip Irrigation - Israel - recycles 80% of it's water, 8x second place Spain.

Made in Israel: Water

It is Not dependent on Aid, tho it does help subsidize it's large Defense budget.
It has one of the best economies on the planet.
Good luck with a grain embargo. LOL.

You seem to think that Israel is "inundated" with international business. This is a bit of an overstatement. The global slowdown isn't doing Israel any good and the internal economy has some real problems with low income families and rising costs of food and housing. In any event, Israel is not suffering from BDS because those sanctions, boycotts and disinvestments aren't happening. They are being talked about more and more and the Israeli response is is becoming increasingly shrill, a sure sign that, if applied, BDS would bring Israel to its knees.

Global slowdown doesn't do anyone any good.
But Tech cos like Intel Flock to (and are expanding in) Israel for Jewish Brains.



Also
Made in Israel – Medicine
+

To hear you tell it, Israel is producing water faster than when Moses whacked that rock in the desert. With all this wonderful water, why is it they are cutting off water to the Palestinian residents on the West Bank? This is the sort of crime against humanity that got the Germans such bad press in the 1930s.