The OLDER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate

[Phoenall]

You don't know what that means.

Meaning if I don't agree with you I must be stupid or ignorant. Not to worry, I've been on this board long enough to know exactly what your backwards arguments are. They are essentially rooted in the idea that the Jewish people don't have rights like other peoples. And they essentially ignore facts like Israel's existence.

There can never be a solution for people like you because your base ideology won't allow solutions involving compromise, respect and a little give and take.

Then he wonders why we see him as a muslim after he tried to hide his false veneer so well. You cant take the culture out of islamic migrants that makes them so aggressive and misogynist.

 

[Faun]

The idea that the explicit assignment of at least some territory to the Jewish people for a National Homeland in Palestine didn't actually happen is one of the more ridiculous anti-Israel arguments ever.

It is true that no land was given to the Jews. The Jews were to obtain Palestinian citizenship. As Palestinian citizens inside Palestine, they would have the right to live anywhere in Palestine. It is a different story for those who are not Palestinian citizens.

See article 7 of the Mandate for Palestine.

How could anyone back then obtain Palestinian citizenship when there was no country called Palestine?

 

[Phoenall]

I am sticking to the issue, the BDS movement has been an abject failure...

...which is why the Zionist camp has been spending $millions trying to combat it and the Zionist regime calls it a strategic threat...not quite "abject" and still ongoing so not a "failure" either.

I guess that's why Israelis are inundated with global business contracts.

You make a good point. Israel is dependent on international trade and aid. Unlike, say, Iran, Israel cannot produce its own energy or food. When the trade and investment from other countries flows, Israel does great because it's high tech industries produce real value added. On the other hand, if international trade is cut off, Israel cannot survive.

You seem to think that Israel is "inundated" with international business. This is a bit of an overstatement. The global slowdown isn't doing Israel any good and the internal economy has some real problems with low income families and rising costs of food and housing. In any event, Israel is not suffering from BDS because those sanctions, boycotts and disinvestments aren't happening. They are being talked about more and more and the Israeli response is is becoming increasingly shrill, a sure sign that, if applied, BDS would bring Israel to its knees.

That isn't going to happen because once the threat of BDS becomes imanent, Israel will do whatever is required to prevent BDS from going into effect. Israel's biggest trading partner is not the USA, it is the EU. BDS is not something that the US can block with a veto in the Security Council or anyplace else.

And you don't seem to understand that Israel can produce its own food, in fact it can produce a surplus of speciality foods that it can export. Then it has become the number one nation for tech products that the world cant do without, like R.I.S.C chips and their coding. So unless you want the likes of Apple or Intel to go to the wall keep the two way traffic flowing. As for the EU we already have a system in place that is de-fanging the BDS vermin, and they are not a threat anymore.

 

[Phoenall]

Israel has to import 80% of the grain it consumes. Israel is dependent on aid from abroad especially from the U.S. and World Jewry, without it Israel would go under.

Then why does it export so much of its produce ?

If Israel goes under it will be after the likes of the USA and EU have already went down the pan, which will be because the arab oil has ran out and the arabs have migrated in their millions.

 

[Phoenall]

Israel has to import 80% of the grain it consumes. Israel is dependent on aid from abroad especially from the U.S. and World Jewry, without it Israel would go under.

Key phrase..."World Jew"; overwhelmingly educated and successful.

"World Jewry" has a specific meaning that you may not be familiar with.

AND YOU MEANING IS THE ONE COINED BY THE ISLAMONAZI'S AND CATHOLICS IN THE 1930's

 

[Phoenall]

Challenger NEVER makes good points.
He is an 'anti-cough-zionist' and Not knowledgeable on the conflict...

LOL! You know they're running scared when they post this sort of drivel.

Have you not yet realised that we know when you are running scared as you resort to " Zionist this" and " hasbara that "

 

[Phoenall]

You make a good point. Israel is dependent on international trade and aid. Unlike, say, Iran, Israel cannot produce its own energy or food. When the trade and investment from other countries flows, Israel does great because it's high tech industries produce real value added. On the other hand, if international trade is cut off, Israel cannot survive.

Challenger NEVER makes good points.
He is an 'anti-cough-zionist' and Not knowledgeable on the conflict, and obviously neither are you.

Israel has HUGE Natural Gas deposits already in production, and will be exporting them by the end of this year.
The First signing customer is... the Palestinian Authority.
ALL the neighbors want some.
This is such OLD and Ongoing News, but apparently hasn't reached you.
Google
If you are not aware of this.. you know NOTHING and are not even in this discussion/section.

It is using also using that NG for DeSal projects and despite being in good part desert, will be a net exporter of Water.
Of course - The Inventor of Drip Irrigation - Israel - recycles 80% of it's water, 8x second place Spain.

Made in Israel: Water

It is Not dependent on Aid, tho it does help subsidize it's large Defense budget.
It has one of the best economies on the planet.
Good luck with a grain embargo. LOL.

You seem to think that Israel is "inundated" with international business. This is a bit of an overstatement. The global slowdown isn't doing Israel any good and the internal economy has some real problems with low income families and rising costs of food and housing. In any event, Israel is not suffering from BDS because those sanctions, boycotts and disinvestments aren't happening. They are being talked about more and more and the Israeli response is is becoming increasingly shrill, a sure sign that, if applied, BDS would bring Israel to its knees.

Global slowdown doesn't do anyone any good.
But Tech cos like Intel Flock to (and are expanding in) Israel for Jewish Brains.



Also
Made in Israel – Medicine
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To hear you tell it, Israel is producing water faster than when Moses whacked that rock in the desert. With all this wonderful water, why is it they are cutting off water to the Palestinian residents on the West Bank? This is the sort of crime against humanity that got the Germans such bad press in the 1930s.

How about a link then showing that they have cut off the water to the palestinians. Or is this the water that they are stealing and allowing to run into the desert. The official figures show that the Israeli's receive 11 litres of water per day per person, and recycle 95% of it. The Palestinians take 40 litres a day per person and recycle none of it.


If you are going to post blood libels at least give4 the source of your information so we know which sites you are going to

 

[Phoenall]

The idea that the explicit assignment of at least some territory to the Jewish people for a National Homeland in Palestine didn't actually happen is one of the more ridiculous anti-Israel arguments ever.

It is true that no land was given to the Jews. The Jews were to obtain Palestinian citizenship. As Palestinian citizens inside Palestine, they would have the right to live anywhere in Palestine. It is a different story for those who are not Palestinian citizens.

See article 7 of the Mandate for Palestine.

How could anyone back then obtain Palestinian citizenship when there was no country called Palestine?

Tinny really needs to learn to read as article 7 says



ART. 7.
The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.



Now where are the arab muslims mentioned ?

 

[Phoenall]

Do you understand what this says, or are you having problems

The tangled history of the conflict is fascinating. What is pretty certain as far into the future as the eye can see is that Israel is not going to go away. Equally obvious is that the four hundred million Arabs backing the Palestinians aren't going away either.

The situation has gotten into a mess such that the two contending parties, Israel and Palestine, can't or won't solve the problem between themselves. Nothing unusual there; in those periods of peace in the region, the peace has been imposed and enforced by a powerful outside party. Our problem now is that there are various candidate for such a role (USA, Iran, Arab League, Turkey, UN etc.) only one of whom seems likely to be able to get the job.

The UN is blocked by the USA because our client, Israel is hoping for a lot more land than the UN is likely to give Israel in any peace settlement. Israel still hopes to bully its way into Eretz Israel with American backing. That isn't going to happen, but until the US sends that message to Likud in clear language backed up by a no-veto threat, innocent women and kids are going to continue to be blown to pieces all over the City of Peace.

BULLSHIT and islamonazi BLOOD LIBELS

 

[Phoenall]

From:

Boycott Israel

What territory? When did Israel legally acquire any territory?

You asked this many times before.​

Indeed, and you have ducked it every time.

In 1920 when the LoN signed the treaty of Sevres. And you have been told this many times in answer to your question

 

[Phoenall]

I'm sorry you seem to be having so much trouble following the conversation

Its been well established within the mandate that the Judaic people were entitled to set up governance of a national Jewish homeland anywhere west of the Jordan and within the mandated area.

You have been shown the Jordan memorandum countless times

If you are having trouble comprehending it, thats fine, but the document is clear and there can be no doubt that international agreement grants Israel ALL the mandate territory west of the Jordan.

"...the Judaic people were entitled..."

Boy, is that a whopper!

You move into my neighborhood and think your "entitled" to my home, just because your great, great, great, great, great, grandmother lived there years ago?

No because your landlord has pulled the rug out from under your feet, kicked you of the land you are illegally squatting on and granted ownership to me. So I am giving you two choices, live in peace with me and you will benefit. Or resort to violence and you will end up running for the hills complaining about having your land stolen, when in reality it was never your land.

 

[Billo_Really]

No because your landlord has pulled the rug out from under your feet, kicked you of the land you are illegally squatting on and granted ownership to me. So I am giving you two choices, live in peace with me and you will benefit. Or resort to violence and you will end up running for the hills complaining about having your land stolen, when in reality it was never your land.

Kicked me "...of the land..."?

Yep, you're 15.

 

[Phoenall]

The idea that the explicit assignment of at least some territory to the Jewish people for a National Homeland in Palestine didn't actually happen is one of the more ridiculous anti-Israel arguments ever.

Oh, it happened. But it was done with the caveat that any Jewish homeland, could only be done without prejudicing any of the existing, indigenous, non-Jewish residents, in that area.

But that's not what happened. You migrated in (some illegally) with extreme prejudice.

Another idiot that tries to back date international laws to suit their POV. What is the cut off date for your back dating then, how about 1700 before you lot arrived in the USA. Do explain how you are an illegal immigrant when you have been invited to migrate by the land sovereign owner ?


By the way the proper words are

The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.


And this means the civil and religious rights as they stood in 1923, not 2015

 

[Phoenall]

The idea that the explicit assignment of at least some territory to the Jewish people for a National Homeland in Palestine didn't actually happen is one of the more ridiculous anti-Israel arguments ever.

It is true that no land was given to the Jews. The Jews were to obtain Palestinian citizenship. As Palestinian citizens inside Palestine, they would have the right to live anywhere in Palestine. It is a different story for those who are not Palestinian citizens.

See article 7 of the Mandate for Palestine.

Read the mandate of Palestine, and not the British mandate

 

[Billo_Really]

Another idiot that tries to back date international laws to suit their POV. What is the cut off date for your back dating then, how about 1700 before you lot arrived in the USA. Do explain how you are an illegal immigrant when you have been invited to migrate by the land sovereign owner ?


By the way the proper words are

The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.


And this means the civil and religious rights as they stood in 1923, not 2015

Tarzan does not know, where Tarzan go.

 

[Phoenall]

No because your landlord has pulled the rug out from under your feet, kicked you of the land you are illegally squatting on and granted ownership to me. So I am giving you two choices, live in peace with me and you will benefit. Or resort to violence and you will end up running for the hills complaining about having your land stolen, when in reality it was never your land.

Kicked me "...of the land..."?

Yep, you're 15.

Read your land deeds and see just what the sovereign owners of your land can do. And what rights you have as opposed to what rights you think you have.


So the LoN being the sovereign nation can give sovereignty of the land you live on to the Jews and you don't have a say in the matter. More so when you have no legal rights to the land then or now.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The idea that the explicit assignment of at least some territory to the Jewish people for a National Homeland in Palestine didn't actually happen is one of the more ridiculous anti-Israel arguments ever.

It is true that no land was given to the Jews. The Jews were to obtain Palestinian citizenship. As Palestinian citizens inside Palestine, they would have the right to live anywhere in Palestine. It is a different story for those who are not Palestinian citizens.

See article 7 of the Mandate for Palestine.

How could anyone back then obtain Palestinian citizenship when there was no country called Palestine?

Tinny really needs to learn to read as article 7 says



ART. 7.
The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.



Now where are the arab muslims mentioned ?

The Palestinians were already Palestinian citizens. Religion was irrelevant for the natives. It was only used for the colonists.

 

[P F Tinmore]

From:

Boycott Israel

What territory? When did Israel legally acquire any territory?

You asked this many times before.​

Indeed, and you have ducked it every time.

In 1920 when the LoN signed the treaty of Sevres. And you have been told this many times in answer to your question

The treaty of Sevres was never ratified.

 

[Phoenall]

Another idiot that tries to back date international laws to suit their POV. What is the cut off date for your back dating then, how about 1700 before you lot arrived in the USA. Do explain how you are an illegal immigrant when you have been invited to migrate by the land sovereign owner ?


By the way the proper words are

The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.


And this means the civil and religious rights as they stood in 1923, not 2015

Tarzan does not know, where Tarzan go.

So what laws are you trying to enforce here in your attacks on the Jews, and when did these laws come into being.

 

[P F Tinmore]

No because your landlord has pulled the rug out from under your feet, kicked you of the land you are illegally squatting on and granted ownership to me. So I am giving you two choices, live in peace with me and you will benefit. Or resort to violence and you will end up running for the hills complaining about having your land stolen, when in reality it was never your land.

Kicked me "...of the land..."?

Yep, you're 15.

Read your land deeds and see just what the sovereign owners of your land can do. And what rights you have as opposed to what rights you think you have.


So the LoN being the sovereign nation can give sovereignty of the land you live on to the Jews and you don't have a say in the matter. More so when you have no legal rights to the land then or now.

So the LoN being the sovereign nation, blah, blah, blah.​

Do you have a link for that?