The OLDER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

OH, I see --- obviously I simply do not understand what racism is. I thought it was:

Cultural competence — loosely defined as the ability to understand, appreciate and interact with people from cultures or belief systems different from one's own — has been a key aspect of psychological thinking and practice for some 50 years.

It is racist to speculate on the Palestinian's incompetence.

(COMMENT)

What can I say.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

OH, I see --- obviously I simply do not understand what racism is. I thought it was:

Cultural competence — loosely defined as the ability to understand, appreciate and interact with people from cultures or belief systems different from one's own — has been a key aspect of psychological thinking and practice for some 50 years.

It is racist to speculate on the Palestinian's incompetence.

(COMMENT)

What can I say.

Most Respectfully,
R

I don't get your point.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I thought I would bring this post over here where it could be legitimately discussed.

The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indiginous to Palestine?

Here are some of the main points:

To start with, today's belief, expressed in the UN Charter and elsewhere, is that the government of a people must rest on the will of the people.

The universal principle isn't about how people decide, it is that the people, We, the People, get to decide for themselves.

more important the wishes of the millions of Arab Muslims already living in Palestine were simply ignored and overriden by armed force.​

The theory of "popular sovereignty" is the base for much of our international law. Look at the standard list of the inalienable rights of the people:

To self determination without external interference.
To independence and sovereignty.
To territorial integrity.​

These all apply to the people not states or governments.

The government of Israel was created in Palestine by foreigners in complete disregard of the will of the people and imposed on them by military force. The government of Israel violated all of the Palestinian's basic inalienable rights and continues to do so today.

 

[Shusha]

To start with, today's belief, expressed in the UN Charter and elsewhere, is that the government of a people must rest on the will of the people.The universal principle isn't about how people decide, it is that the people, We, the People, get to decide for themselves.

You keep talking like there is only one people. There two peoples. And BOTH peoples have rights.

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[P F Tinmore]

To start with, today's belief, expressed in the UN Charter and elsewhere, is that the government of a people must rest on the will of the people.The universal principle isn't about how people decide, it is that the people, We, the People, get to decide for themselves.

You keep talking like there is only one people. There two peoples. And BOTH peoples have rights.

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There is one people then there are the foreign colonists.

 

[Challenger]

To start with, today's belief, expressed in the UN Charter and elsewhere, is that the government of a people must rest on the will of the people.The universal principle isn't about how people decide, it is that the people, We, the People, get to decide for themselves.

You keep talking like there is only one people. There two peoples. And BOTH peoples have rights.

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There are native Palestinians, and there are European and African/Asian colonists, native rights trump colonist's rights, especially when those colonists were forced onto the native population against their will.

 

[Shusha]

There is one people then there are the foreign colonists.

The Jewish people have lived on that land for more than 3000 years.

Let's review the apparent anti-Israel argument:

1. Only those belonging to the majority have rights.

2. If a people has been successfully ethnically cleansed from their ancestral land they become foreigners and lose all rights to that land.

3. Colonization is a perfectly legitimate way of transferring ownership of the land -- as long as its Arab colonization and not Jewish return.

 

[P F Tinmore]

There is one people then there are the foreign colonists.

The Jewish people have lived on that land for more than 3000 years.

Let's review the apparent anti-Israel argument:

1. Only those belonging to the majority have rights.

2. If a people has been successfully ethnically cleansed from their ancestral land they become foreigners and lose all rights to that land.

3. Colonization is a perfectly legitimate way of transferring ownership of the land -- as long as its Arab colonization and not Jewish return.

I didn't say either of those.

Besides you are ducking the issues.

 

[Shusha]

You keep talking like there is only one people. There two peoples. And BOTH peoples have rights.

There is one people then there are the foreign colonists.

Then Boston is right. The way to solve the problem is to expel as many of the Arab Muslim Palestinians as possible. Those remaining will adopt the Jewish language, faith and culture and in a hundred years or so Israel will be 100% Jewish. And Arab Muslim Palestinians will be nothing but foreign colonists.

 

[Challenger]

The Jewish people have lived on that land for more than 3000 years.

A religious monotheistic cult that we now call Judaism may well have existed in the region in antiquity, that's not in dispute, but there is certainly no evidence that the native inhabitants of the region ever universally practiced it. In fact the available evidence contradicts that assertion. Judaism was only one of many cults in the area.

 

[Challenger]

Let's review the apparent anti-Israel argument:

1. Only those belonging to the majority have rights.

2. If a people has been successfully ethnically cleansed from their ancestral land they become foreigners and lose all rights to that land.

3. Colonization is a perfectly legitimate way of transferring ownership of the land -- as long as its Arab colonization and not Jewish return.

This is your interpretation of the anti-Zionist Paradise argument spun in a pro-Zionist way and based on false premises.

1. Everyone has rights, Human rights. However the rights of an indigenous population have greater weight than the rights of foreign colonists who have been foisted on them against their will.

2. There is no historical evidence of mass population displacement during the Arab conquest or the early Caliphate period, the local population simply converted to Islam over time, due in large part to avoid taxes.

3. See 2. above.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Let's review the apparent anti-Israel argument:

1. Only those belonging to the majority have rights.

2. If a people has been successfully ethnically cleansed from their ancestral land they become foreigners and lose all rights to that land.

3. Colonization is a perfectly legitimate way of transferring ownership of the land -- as long as its Arab colonization and not Jewish return.

This is your interpretation of the anti-Zionist Paradise argument spun in a pro-Zionist way and based on false premises.

1. Everyone has rights, Human rights. However the rights of an indigenous population have greater weight than the rights of foreign colonists who have been foisted on them against their will.

2. There is no historical evidence of mass population displacement during the Arab conquest or the early Caliphate period, the local population simply converted to Islam over time, due in large part to avoid taxes.

3. See 2. above.

Links? Especially to point number 2.

 

[montelatici]

Let's review the apparent anti-Israel argument:

1. Only those belonging to the majority have rights.

2. If a people has been successfully ethnically cleansed from their ancestral land they become foreigners and lose all rights to that land.

3. Colonization is a perfectly legitimate way of transferring ownership of the land -- as long as its Arab colonization and not Jewish return.

This is your interpretation of the anti-Zionist Paradise argument spun in a pro-Zionist way and based on false premises.

1. Everyone has rights, Human rights. However the rights of an indigenous population have greater weight than the rights of foreign colonists who have been foisted on them against their will.

2. There is no historical evidence of mass population displacement during the Arab conquest or the early Caliphate period, the local population simply converted to Islam over time, due in large part to avoid taxes.

3. See 2. above.

Links? Especially to point number 2.

"Abandoned by the Byzantine garrison, the position of Christians living in the Holy Land was to deteriorate over the years. Most of the Christian tribes adopted Islam without further ado. In fact, the arrival of the Muslims was half-heartedly welcomed by a significant portion of the population. Many of the inhabitants were perceived by the orthodox church as heretics. Due to their theological ignorance they were only vaguely aware that their new rulers represented another religious faith. Furthermore, by professing Islam, they were able to join in as equals in an intoxicating life of military glory and plunder."

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]ISLAMIC CONQUESTS - THE SIEGE OF JERUSALEM[/FONT]

 

[Fishlore]

Biblical and archeological arguments are interesting but the only other government that uses them as Israel does is ISIS. Both these groups claim possession of territory taken by force on the basis of theologial argument and appeals to tradition. The rest of the world isn't buying either one. Israel is going from a secular democracy to a brutal and reactionary theocracy. America is being led along by the nose but we are wising up and time is running out.

 

[Indeependent]

Biblical and archeological arguments are interesting but the only other government that uses them as Israel does is ISIS. Both these groups claim possession of territory taken by force on the basis of theologial argument and appeals to tradition. The rest of the world isn't buying either one. Israel is going from a secular democracy to a brutal and reactionary theocracy. America is being led along by the nose but we are wising up and time is running out.

Yes, you're absolutely correct.
Israel is going on a head chopping, machine gunning frenzy of the like not seen since you last posted anti-Israel bullshit.

 

[montelatici]

Israel uses F16s and artillery to murder civilians.

 

[Indeependent]

Israel uses F16s and artillery to murder civilians.

You're right!
Whatever you say!
Go for it!
Don't hold back.
The world is catching on!

 

[montelatici]

Israel uses F16s and artillery to murder civilians.

You're right!
Whatever you say!
Go for it!
Don't hold back.
The world is catching on!

You are right, even the U.S. puppet, Ban Ki-moon has caught on. LOL

 

[Indeependent]

Israel uses F16s and artillery to murder civilians.

You're right!
Whatever you say!
Go for it!
Don't hold back.
The world is catching on!

You are right, even the U.S. puppet, Ban Ki-moon has caught on. LOL

That's encouraging!
I think your postings are having the desired effect!

 

[montelatici]

I am sure they are. Facts generally do have the desired effect.