The Official Zimmerman Trial Verdict Thread

[dilloduck]

There are a lot of things on the phone that the defense wants added that I can't see as being relevant, pics of trayvon flipping off the camera, his wearing gold caps, not relevant IMO. I can see texts about fighting being relevant. Smoking weed and arguing with a gf, not really relevant unless the prosecution try's to paint a picture of trayvon that those thing refute.

They want to paint the victim in a poor light, it's like what they do in rape cases. In this case it doesn't matter, he wasn't found with a gun or drugs on him, and he wasn't committing a crime.
Personally, I wonder why so many think that Zimmerman can use self defense, but not Martin. Someone following you could be considered a threat, and make one fear for their safety. So yeah, I never understood why some dont see that part of the situation. Is it because he is black? A teenager? Or not a legal gun owner?

ALLEGEDLY he did attack Zimmerman and it was probably self defense in his eyes. He just should used a gun.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

There are a lot of things on the phone that the defense wants added that I can't see as being relevant, pics of trayvon flipping off the camera, his wearing gold caps, not relevant IMO. I can see texts about fighting being relevant. Smoking weed and arguing with a gf, not really relevant unless the prosecution try's to paint a picture of trayvon that those thing refute.

They want to paint the victim in a poor light, it's like what they do in rape cases. In this case it doesn't matter, he wasn't found with a gun or drugs on him, and he wasn't committing a crime.
Personally, I wonder why so many think that Zimmerman can use self defense, but not Martin. Someone following you could be considered a threat, and make one fear for their safety. So yeah, I never understood why some dont see that part of the situation. Is it because he is black? A teenager? Or not a legal gun owner?

He had the time to go into his house. Instead he chose to return and attack a man for the simple act of walking down the street. He then threatened to use that mans own gun to kill him. Zimmerman has so testified. Witnesses place Tryvon on top pounding his head into the ground. Zimmerman's wounds confirm that Zimmerman and the witnesses were correct.

Why is it you ignore these facts? Inconvenient to your choir boy notion?> Zimmerman is credible Trayvon's position is not.

 

[Gracie]

If they plan on bringing in anything that zimmerman said, thought, did, read, watched earlier that day or even before that day...then martin's info should also be brought in.

 

[KissMy]

They want to paint the victim in a poor light, it's like what they do in rape cases. In this case it doesn't matter, he wasn't found with a gun or drugs on him, and he wasn't committing a crime.
Personally, I wonder why so many think that Zimmerman can use self defense, but not Martin. Someone following you could be considered a threat, and make one fear for their safety. So yeah, I never understood why some dont see that part of the situation. Is it because he is black? A teenager? Or not a legal gun owner?

You are a racist! Trayvon was not attacked or injured prior to being shot. He did not have a mark on his body other than the gunshot. Had no justifiable fear for his life.

 

[Luissa]

There are a lot of things on the phone that the defense wants added that I can't see as being relevant, pics of trayvon flipping off the camera, his wearing gold caps, not relevant IMO. I can see texts about fighting being relevant. Smoking weed and arguing with a gf, not really relevant unless the prosecution try's to paint a picture of trayvon that those thing refute.

They want to paint the victim in a poor light, it's like what they do in rape cases. In this case it doesn't matter, he wasn't found with a gun or drugs on him, and he wasn't committing a crime.
Personally, I wonder why so many think that Zimmerman can use self defense, but not Martin. Someone following you could be considered a threat, and make one fear for their safety. So yeah, I never understood why some dont see that part of the situation. Is it because he is black? A teenager? Or not a legal gun owner?

ALLEGEDLY he did attack Zimmerman and it was probably self defense in his eyes. He just should used a gun.

The law doesn't specify one has to use a gun, and he wasn't old enough to own one legally.
And if someone was follows me at night the way Zimmerman did I would feel threatened.

 

[Luissa]

They want to paint the victim in a poor light, it's like what they do in rape cases. In this case it doesn't matter, he wasn't found with a gun or drugs on him, and he wasn't committing a crime.
Personally, I wonder why so many think that Zimmerman can use self defense, but not Martin. Someone following you could be considered a threat, and make one fear for their safety. So yeah, I never understood why some dont see that part of the situation. Is it because he is black? A teenager? Or not a legal gun owner?

You are a racist! Trayvon was not attacked or injured prior to being shot. He did not have a mark on his body other than the gunshot. Had no justifiable fear for his life.

So you are saying if someone followed you at night you would not be fearful? Be truthful.

 

[AmyNation]

Can we stay on topic?


This is about texts and pics on trayvons phone and the defense asking they be admissible. Not about what marks trayvon did or didn't have on his body.

 

[Luissa]

There are a lot of things on the phone that the defense wants added that I can't see as being relevant, pics of trayvon flipping off the camera, his wearing gold caps, not relevant IMO. I can see texts about fighting being relevant. Smoking weed and arguing with a gf, not really relevant unless the prosecution try's to paint a picture of trayvon that those thing refute.

They want to paint the victim in a poor light, it's like what they do in rape cases. In this case it doesn't matter, he wasn't found with a gun or drugs on him, and he wasn't committing a crime.
Personally, I wonder why so many think that Zimmerman can use self defense, but not Martin. Someone following you could be considered a threat, and make one fear for their safety. So yeah, I never understood why some dont see that part of the situation. Is it because he is black? A teenager? Or not a legal gun owner?

He had the time to go into his house. Instead he chose to return and attack a man for the simple act of walking down the street. He then threatened to use that mans own gun to kill him. Zimmerman has so testified. Witnesses place Tryvon on top pounding his head into the ground. Zimmerman's wounds confirm that Zimmerman and the witnesses were correct.

Why is it you ignore these facts? Inconvenient to your choir boy notion?> Zimmerman is credible Trayvon's position is not.

Zimmerman was walking the streets? He has admitted to following him.
If someone was following you at night you wouldn't be fearful? And we only have Zimmerman word that he was attacked first. No witness who saw the attack can pin point who attacked whom first.
Plus Zimmerman followed Martin who had committed no crime. Martin would be justified in fearing for your life. And in Florida Law, one doesn't have to retreat if they fear they are in imminent danger. I would say someone following me would make me fear for my life, or that I might receive Bodily arm. But that just me, most honest people would agree with me.

 

[Ravi]

Zimmerman defense: Texts show Trayvon Martin 'hostile' day of shooting - CNN.com


Are they relevant? Should they be admissible?

I'm on the fence, I imagine setting up his state of mind that day could be relevant. However, I wonder if angry texts with a girlfriend hours before his death "set up a state of mind"? Especially with teenager boys, being angry one min. with one person and totally fine the next with someone else is pretty common.

Other items taken from Martin's phone included text-message discussions of drugs and pictures of a gun and marijuana plants.

What does this even mean? If talking about guns is a reason for someone to kill you then half the posters at USMB could be logically killed with impunity.

 

[Luissa]

Can we stay on topic?


This is about texts and pics on trayvons phone and the defense asking they be admissible. Not about what marks trayvon did or didn't have on his body.

I think the only texts that could be of Any importance are the ones from the time of the incident. Trayvon isn't on trial.

 

[Luissa]

They want to paint the victim in a poor light, it's like what they do in rape cases. In this case it doesn't matter, he wasn't found with a gun or drugs on him, and he wasn't committing a crime.
Personally, I wonder why so many think that Zimmerman can use self defense, but not Martin. Someone following you could be considered a threat, and make one fear for their safety. So yeah, I never understood why some dont see that part of the situation. Is it because he is black? A teenager? Or not a legal gun owner?

You are a racist! Trayvon was not attacked or injured prior to being shot. He did not have a mark on his body other than the gunshot. Had no justifiable fear for his life.

And who am I racist against?

 

[AmyNation]

I don't see how a picture of Trayvon holding a gun or talking about a gun matters. He didn't have a gun that night.

 

[Luissa]

I don't see how a picture of Trayvon holding a gun or talking about a gun matters. He didn't have a gun that night.

Exactly

 

[dilloduck]

I don't see how a picture of Trayvon holding a gun or talking about a gun matters. He didn't have a gun that night.

Exactly

Any impression that the defense can legally give the jurors matters. The jurors are the only things that matter UNLESS the judge wants to REALLY get carried away.

 

[FishfaceDeMarco]

They want to paint the victim in a poor light, it's like what they do in rape cases. In this case it doesn't matter, he wasn't found with a gun or drugs on him, and he wasn't committing a crime.
Personally, I wonder why so many think that Zimmerman can use self defense, but not Martin. Someone following you could be considered a threat, and make one fear for their safety. So yeah, I never understood why some dont see that part of the situation. Is it because he is black? A teenager? Or not a legal gun owner?

ALLEGEDLY he did attack Zimmerman and it was probably self defense in his eyes. He just should used a gun.

The law doesn't specify one has to use a gun, and he wasn't old enough to own one legally.
And if someone was follows me at night the way Zimmerman did I would feel threatened.

Then maybe he should used flight rather than fight reaction, and he could still be alive today.

 

[dilloduck]

Can we stay on topic?


This is about texts and pics on trayvons phone and the defense asking they be admissible. Not about what marks trayvon did or didn't have on his body.

I think the only texts that could be of Any importance are the ones from the time of the incident. Trayvon isn't on trial.

DOH--but Zimmerman is---It's his right to present a defense. Is it going to hurt Martin's feelings or something ?

 

[AmyNation]

I don't see how a picture of Trayvon holding a gun or talking about a gun matters. He didn't have a gun that night.

Exactly

Any impression that the defense can legally give the jurors matters. The jurors are the only things that matter UNLESS the judge wants to REALLY get carried away.

Well, that's what this is about. The defense is asking for the texts/pics and the prosecution is arguing they aren't relevant.

The judge hasn't ruled yet.

 

[dilloduck]

Exactly

Any impression that the defense can legally give the jurors matters. The jurors are the only things that matter UNLESS the judge wants to REALLY get carried away.

Well, that's what this is about. The defense is asking for the texts/pics and the prosecution is arguing they aren't relevant.

The judge hasn't ruled yet.

Due process takes its time---hell this could only be a legal feint to effect another ruling on a similar issue. We'll all have fun being judge and jury tho--Hope the case lasts a long time.

 

[Ravi]

I read a few articles about this and none of them said what the texts "the day he was killed" said.

Anyone?

 

[Luissa]

ALLEGEDLY he did attack Zimmerman and it was probably self defense in his eyes. He just should used a gun.

The law doesn't specify one has to use a gun, and he wasn't old enough to own one legally.
And if someone was follows me at night the way Zimmerman did I would feel threatened.

Then maybe he should used flight rather than fight reaction, and he could still be alive today.

And maybe Zummerman shouldn't have followed someone who wasn't committing a crime. You guys always seem to forget that.