The Official Zimmerman Trial Verdict Thread

[Luissa]

He is guaranteed due process by our constitution. Holy shit, Luissa ? Don't you get it ?

Did I say he didnt? Holy shit, don't you get an opinion?

You do--and then people get to respond to it. How can you offer an opinion when the facts haven't even been established ? I suspect you just defend the perceived victim no matter what the facts are.

Nope.
Like I said in my original post. All I have to know is Martin committed no crime and Zimmerman followed him. The incident would have never happened if he didnt follow him. He has said that he followed him and they have a 911 tape stating he followed him. He is not a cop and was told not to have his gun when working block watch.
He followed a minor with a gun, unprovoked with the minor committing no crime, plus the minor was not armed. That is all I need to know.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Zimmerman defense: Texts show Trayvon Martin 'hostile' day of shooting - CNN.com


Are they relevant? Should they be admissible?

I'm on the fence, I imagine setting up his state of mind that day could be relevant. However, I wonder if angry texts with a girlfriend hours before his death "set up a state of mind"? Especially with teenager boys, being angry one min. with one person and totally fine the next with someone else is pretty common.

You shouldn’t be.

They’re irrelevant and prejudicial.

Zimmerman’s on trial, not Martin; Martin is the victim, not Zimmerman.

 

[FishfaceDeMarco]

It is his actions that caused the incident to happen, not Martins

Are you saying if he'd run home, Zimmerman would have shot him in the back?

Are you saying it Zimmerman had not followed him it would have happened anyways?

Between the double-negative and the typo, I don't know what your question is.

 

[Ernie S.]

I think Martin's state of mind on the day of the shooting certainly IS relevant as Zimmerman's.

 

[Ernie S.]

I hope Zimmerman receives jail time, he deserves it.

Thank you, Judge Judy.

You don't think someone who followed a minor who had committed no crime with a gun playing wannabe cop deserves jail time?

You DO realize that Zimmerman was a neighborhood watch volunteer and saw someone who didn't live in the community, don't you? It was his purpose to be suspicious of anything out of place. We don't know how the confrontation went down, but we do have a witness who saw Martin on top of Zimmerman pounding his head into the pavement.

 

[Luissa]

Are you saying if he'd run home, Zimmerman would have shot him in the back?

Are you saying it Zimmerman had not followed him it would have happened anyways?

Between the double-negative and the typo, I don't know what your question is.

Double negative?
So I am guessing your answer is no, but don't want to admit it. Got it.

 

[Luissa]

And it's called autocorrect. If corrects to it a lot, but I usually can tell when someone doesn't want to answer question.. They bring up typos.

 

[Ernie S.]

Did I say he didnt? Holy shit, don't you get an opinion?

You do--and then people get to respond to it. How can you offer an opinion when the facts haven't even been established ? I suspect you just defend the perceived victim no matter what the facts are.

Nope.
Like I said in my original post. All I have to know is Martin committed no crime and Zimmerman followed him. The incident would have never happened if he didnt follow him. He has said that he followed him and they have a 911 tape stating he followed him. He is not a cop and was told not to have his gun when working block watch.
He followed a minor with a gun, unprovoked with the minor committing no crime, plus the minor was not armed. That is all I need to know.

Thankfully, YOU won't be on the jury.

 

[AmyNation]

Zimmerman defense: Texts show Trayvon Martin 'hostile' day of shooting - CNN.com


Are they relevant? Should they be admissible?

I'm on the fence, I imagine setting up his state of mind that day could be relevant. However, I wonder if angry texts with a girlfriend hours before his death "set up a state of mind"? Especially with teenager boys, being angry one min. with one person and totally fine the next with someone else is pretty common.

You shouldn’t be.

They’re irrelevant and prejudicial.

Zimmerman’s on trial, not Martin; Martin is the victim, not Zimmerman.

So you don't see the judge siding with the defense?

Can he order some of the texts admissible but exclude others?

 

[dilloduck]

Zimmerman defense: Texts show Trayvon Martin 'hostile' day of shooting - CNN.com


Are they relevant? Should they be admissible?

I'm on the fence, I imagine setting up his state of mind that day could be relevant. However, I wonder if angry texts with a girlfriend hours before his death "set up a state of mind"? Especially with teenager boys, being angry one min. with one person and totally fine the next with someone else is pretty common.

You shouldn’t be.

They’re irrelevant and prejudicial.

Zimmerman’s on trial, not Martin; Martin is the victim, not Zimmerman.

no one is putting Martin on trial. The events of the evening are.

 

[Luissa]

Are you saying if he'd run home, Zimmerman would have shot him in the back?

Are you saying it Zimmerman had not followed him it would have happened anyways?

Between the double-negative and the typo, I don't know what your question is.

I think you need to look up what a double negative is.

 

[Luissa]

Zimmerman defense: Texts show Trayvon Martin 'hostile' day of shooting - CNN.com


Are they relevant? Should they be admissible?

I'm on the fence, I imagine setting up his state of mind that day could be relevant. However, I wonder if angry texts with a girlfriend hours before his death "set up a state of mind"? Especially with teenager boys, being angry one min. with one person and totally fine the next with someone else is pretty common.

You shouldn’t be.

They’re irrelevant and prejudicial.

Zimmerman’s on trial, not Martin; Martin is the victim, not Zimmerman.

no one is putting Martin on trial. The events of the evening are.

And what are those? Buying skittles? Walking? Being followed by someone?
Being black?

 

[dilloduck]

You shouldn’t be.

They’re irrelevant and prejudicial.

Zimmerman’s on trial, not Martin; Martin is the victim, not Zimmerman.

no one is putting Martin on trial. The events of the evening are.

And what are those? Buying skittles? Walking? Being followed by someone?
Being black?

Bashing Zimmermans head against the sidewalk ? You can't pretend Martin is so innocent that he wasn't even there.

 

[Luissa]

no one is putting Martin on trial. The events of the evening are.

And what are those? Buying skittles? Walking? Being followed by someone?
Being black?

Bashing Zimmermans head against the sidewalk ? You can't pretend Martin is so innocent that he wasn't even there.

Under stand your ground Martin doesn't have to retreat if he feels he is in danger, and can use deadly force.
And the fight didnt happen until after Zimmerman followed him for no reason at night. Martin was fearful enough that he tried to lose Zimmerman, who was armed and following an underage child that didnt commit a crime.

 

[dilloduck]

And what are those? Buying skittles? Walking? Being followed by someone?
Being black?

Bashing Zimmermans head against the sidewalk ? You can't pretend Martin is so innocent that he wasn't even there.

Under stand your ground Martin doesn't have to retreat if he feels he is in danger, and can use deadly force.
And the fight didnt happen until after Zimmerman followed him for no reason at night. Martin was fearful enough that he tried to lose Zimmerman, who was armed and following an underage child that didnt commit a crime.

Tell it to the jury---Martin was so afraid of Zimmerman that he called----his girlfriend ?
and then decided to beat the shit out of him ? If you are standing your ground you better be prepared for the consequences.

 

[Luissa]

no one is putting Martin on trial. The events of the evening are.

And what are those? Buying skittles? Walking? Being followed by someone?
Being black?

Bashing Zimmermans head against the sidewalk ? You can't pretend Martin is so innocent that he wasn't even there.

Why can't any of you get the Martin had not commit a crime and did not do anything that warranted being followed by a man carrying a weapon. It's like you guys block that out.
So like I said, the texts from the time of the incident could be used in my opinion, but nothing else.

 

[Luissa]

Bashing Zimmermans head against the sidewalk ? You can't pretend Martin is so innocent that he wasn't even there.

Under stand your ground Martin doesn't have to retreat if he feels he is in danger, and can use deadly force.
And the fight didnt happen until after Zimmerman followed him for no reason at night. Martin was fearful enough that he tried to lose Zimmerman, who was armed and following an underage child that didnt commit a crime.

Tell it to the jury---Martin was so afraid of Zimmerman that he called----his girlfriend ?
and then decided to beat the shit out of him ? If you are standing your ground you better be prepared for the consequences.

But you don't think Zimmerman should have been prepared for the consequences after following someone while carrying a gun?

 

[dilloduck]

And what are those? Buying skittles? Walking? Being followed by someone?
Being black?

Bashing Zimmermans head against the sidewalk ? You can't pretend Martin is so innocent that he wasn't even there.

Why can't any of you get the Martin had not commit a crime and did not do anything that warranted being followed by a man carrying a weapon. It's like you guys block that out.
So like I said, the texts from the time of the incident could be used in my opinion, but nothing else.

No one has said he committed a crime. No one.

 

[Luissa]

Bashing Zimmermans head against the sidewalk ? You can't pretend Martin is so innocent that he wasn't even there.

Why can't any of you get the Martin had not commit a crime and did not do anything that warranted being followed by a man carrying a weapon. It's like you guys block that out.
So like I said, the texts from the time of the incident could be used in my opinion, but nothing else.

No one has said he committed a crime. No one.

That isn't how you are making it sound.

 

[SantaFeWay]

Zimmerman was not on "watch" that night. He was carrying his gun because he has a legal carry permit. No one is mentioning what a high crime area this housing complex was. There had been many burglaries and the modus operandi of some of the criminals had been to "case" the houses before they burglarized them. Zimmerman was aware of this and he saw something so he said something and called the police. The fact that Zimmerman was hypervigilant and Martin was hypersensitive played tragically in this whole event.

As for the texts, they are only relevant if the prosecution tries to bring state of mind evidence into court for Martin. IMO