The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indiginous to Palestine?

[Phoenall]

Really? Would you outline for me exactly when the law changed, and what instrument changed it?

Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention was adopted in 1949.

BTW, you have ignored the most important arguments in my post.

And what does that say when taken in context with the rest of the Geneva conventions ?



And your cherry picked article only deals with civilians, and does not deal with armed militia, soldiers or any other armed person.

 

[Phoenall]

The question that started the thread wasn't specifically political in nature.
How long do your ancestors have to live in an area to be concidered indigenous?

I think that the ancestors of Palestinians lived long enough in Palestine to be called indigenous population.

What to Zionists, most of them were not born in Palestine.

So they lived in the region for 22 years if you look at your history, the Jews have been there much longer giving them the greater claim. Your rules to abide by them............................

 

[Phoenall]

Lets just all read this so we can see what it actually says

UNR 194

Quote

Resolves that the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbours should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or in equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible; Instructs the Conciliation Commission to facilitate the repatriation, resettlement and economic and social rehabilitation of the refugees and the payment of compensation, and to maintain close relations with the Director of the United Nations Relief for Palestine Refugees and, through him, with the appropriate organs and agencies of the United Nations;

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This is actually one of my favorite resolutions.

First its non binding, but the Arab Muslims are constantly singing and dancing about this right of return nonsense so lets just assume it is binding for the sake of argument.

The area highlighted in blue clearly indicates that this resolution applies to those willing to "live in peace" with their neighbors. Something the Arab Muslims are clearly not willing to do. Ergo this resolution does not apply to ANY Arab Muslims until a termination can be made as to which ones are willing to live in peace and which aren't.

The first area in red clearly states "at the earliest practicable date". A beautifully ambiguous caveat that essentially means never. When will it ever be practicable to insert millions of hostile Arab Muslims into Israel ?

The second caveat outlined in red clearly states that compensation should be paid by the responsible parties. Another beautifully ambiguous requirement. So Who is responsible for the Arab Israeli war ? Maybe we should consider who declared war against who ? The Arab League openly declared war against the fledgling Israeli state and ignores all international appeals to end the violence to this day.

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The Secretary-General of the Arab League, Azzam Pasha, was less diplomatic and far more candid. With no patience for polite or veiled language, on the same day Israel declared its independence on May 14 1948, at a Cairo press conference reported the next day in The New York Times, Pasha repeated the Arabs' "intervention to restore law and order" revealing:

"This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades." The League of Arab States continued to oppose peace after Israel's 1948 War of Independence:

• In July 15 1948, the UN Security Council adopted Resolution 54 calling on Arab aggression to stop:

"Taking into consideration that the Provisional Government of Israel has indicated its acceptance in principle of a prolongation of the truce in Palestine; that the States members of the Arab League have rejected successive appeals of the United Nations Mediator, and of the Security Council in its resolution 53 (1948) of 7 July 1948, for the prolongation of the truce in Palestine; and that there has consequently developed a renewal of hostilities in Palestine."[10]

• In October 1949, the Arab League declared that negotiation with Israel by any Arab state would be in violation of Article 18 of the Arab League.[11]
• In April 1950, it called for severance of relations with any Arab state which engaged in relations or contacts with Israel and prohibited Member states from negotiating unilateral peace with Israel.[12]
• In March 1979, it suspended Egypt's membership in the League (retroactively) from the date of its signing a peace treaty with Israel.[13]

More recently, in the Beirut Declaration of March 27-28, 2002, adopted at the height of Palestinian suicide attacks in Israel, the Arab League declared:

"We, the kings, presidents, and emirs of the Arab states meeting in the Council of the Arab League Summit in Beirut, capital of Lebanon ... have conducted a thorough assessment of the developments and challenges ... relating to the Arab region and, more specifically, to the occupied Palestinian territory. With great pride, we followed the Palestinian people's intifada and valiant resistance. ... We address a greeting of pride and honour to the Palestinian people's steadfastness and valiant intifada against the Israeli occupation and its destructive war machine. We greet with honour and pride the valiant martyrs of the intifada."[14]

The Arab League, which has systematically opposed and blocked peace efforts for nearly 67 years, and is in a declared state-of-war with Israel, is now deemed by the U.S. States Department an organization that can contribute to peace in the Middle East.

This document uses extensive links via the Internet. If you experience a broken link, please note the 5 digit number (xxxxx) at the end of the URL and use it as a Keyword in the Search Box atwww.MEfacts.com.


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Which makes the Arab League 100% responsible for the entire refugee problem from beginning to end

In which case it is the Arab League who owe reparations to all concerned

BOOM

MEfacts is an Israeli propaganda site.

So you are now saying that the UN is a propaganda site, meaning that everything monte pastes is propaganda ?

 

[Phoenall]

The question that started the thread wasn't specifically political in nature.
How long do your ancestors have to live in an area to be concidered indigenous?

I think that the ancestors of Palestinians lived long enough in Palestine to be called indigenous population.

What to Zionists, most of them were not born in Palestine.

Define Zionist in your own terms, and see that they have one common trait. Not all Zionists are Jews, and not all Jews are Zionists. So your use of the term out of context and as a racial insult is illegal in the civilised world

 

[P F Tinmore]

Lets just all read this so we can see what it actually says

UNR 194

Quote

Resolves that the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbours should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or in equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible; Instructs the Conciliation Commission to facilitate the repatriation, resettlement and economic and social rehabilitation of the refugees and the payment of compensation, and to maintain close relations with the Director of the United Nations Relief for Palestine Refugees and, through him, with the appropriate organs and agencies of the United Nations;

End Qute

This is actually one of my favorite resolutions.

First its non binding, but the Arab Muslims are constantly singing and dancing about this right of return nonsense so lets just assume it is binding for the sake of argument.

The area highlighted in blue clearly indicates that this resolution applies to those willing to "live in peace" with their neighbors. Something the Arab Muslims are clearly not willing to do. Ergo this resolution does not apply to ANY Arab Muslims until a termination can be made as to which ones are willing to live in peace and which aren't.

The first area in red clearly states "at the earliest practicable date". A beautifully ambiguous caveat that essentially means never. When will it ever be practicable to insert millions of hostile Arab Muslims into Israel ?

The second caveat outlined in red clearly states that compensation should be paid by the responsible parties. Another beautifully ambiguous requirement. So Who is responsible for the Arab Israeli war ? Maybe we should consider who declared war against who ? The Arab League openly declared war against the fledgling Israeli state and ignores all international appeals to end the violence to this day.

Quote

The Secretary-General of the Arab League, Azzam Pasha, was less diplomatic and far more candid. With no patience for polite or veiled language, on the same day Israel declared its independence on May 14 1948, at a Cairo press conference reported the next day in The New York Times, Pasha repeated the Arabs' "intervention to restore law and order" revealing:

"This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades." The League of Arab States continued to oppose peace after Israel's 1948 War of Independence:

• In July 15 1948, the UN Security Council adopted Resolution 54 calling on Arab aggression to stop:

"Taking into consideration that the Provisional Government of Israel has indicated its acceptance in principle of a prolongation of the truce in Palestine; that the States members of the Arab League have rejected successive appeals of the United Nations Mediator, and of the Security Council in its resolution 53 (1948) of 7 July 1948, for the prolongation of the truce in Palestine; and that there has consequently developed a renewal of hostilities in Palestine."[10]

• In October 1949, the Arab League declared that negotiation with Israel by any Arab state would be in violation of Article 18 of the Arab League.[11]
• In April 1950, it called for severance of relations with any Arab state which engaged in relations or contacts with Israel and prohibited Member states from negotiating unilateral peace with Israel.[12]
• In March 1979, it suspended Egypt's membership in the League (retroactively) from the date of its signing a peace treaty with Israel.[13]

More recently, in the Beirut Declaration of March 27-28, 2002, adopted at the height of Palestinian suicide attacks in Israel, the Arab League declared:

"We, the kings, presidents, and emirs of the Arab states meeting in the Council of the Arab League Summit in Beirut, capital of Lebanon ... have conducted a thorough assessment of the developments and challenges ... relating to the Arab region and, more specifically, to the occupied Palestinian territory. With great pride, we followed the Palestinian people's intifada and valiant resistance. ... We address a greeting of pride and honour to the Palestinian people's steadfastness and valiant intifada against the Israeli occupation and its destructive war machine. We greet with honour and pride the valiant martyrs of the intifada."[14]

The Arab League, which has systematically opposed and blocked peace efforts for nearly 67 years, and is in a declared state-of-war with Israel, is now deemed by the U.S. States Department an organization that can contribute to peace in the Middle East.

This document uses extensive links via the Internet. If you experience a broken link, please note the 5 digit number (xxxxx) at the end of the URL and use it as a Keyword in the Search Box atwww.MEfacts.com.


End Quote

Which makes the Arab League 100% responsible for the entire refugee problem from beginning to end

In which case it is the Arab League who owe reparations to all concerned

BOOM

MEfacts is an Israeli propaganda site.

So you are now saying that the UN is a propaganda site, meaning that everything monte pastes is propaganda ?

No.

 

[Phoenall]

The question that started the thread wasn't specifically political in nature.
How long do your ancestors have to live in an area to be concidered indigenous?

I think that the ancestors of Palestinians lived long enough in Palestine to be called indigenous population.

What to Zionists, most of them were not born in Palestine.

You have it exactly backwards.

The vast majority of Arab Muslims in Israel colonized the area in the early to mid 20th century.

Whereas the vast majority of Israeli's are of Judaic origins and are simply returning to their ancestral homelands.

The vast majority of the Jews that invaded Palestine were Europeans. The Palestinians, Muslims and Christians and a tiny minority consisting of the native Arab Jews,are the indigenous people. Changing religion doesn't change the people. Nothing ancestral in Palestine for Europeans.

UNITED
NATIONS
A

• 
  General Assembly

A/364
3 September 1947
OFFICIAL RECORDS OF THE SECOND SESSION OF
THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY

(b)IMMIGRATION AND NATURAL INCREASE

15. These changes in the population have been brought about by two forces: natural increase and immigration. The great increase in the Jewish population is due in the main to immigration. From 1920 to 1946, the total number of recorded Jewish immigrants into Palestine was about 376,000, or an average of over 8,000 per year. The flow has not been regular, however, being fairly high in 1924 to 1926, falling in the next few years (there was a net emigration in 1927) and rising to even higher levels between 1933 and 1936 as a result of the Nazi persecution in Europe. Between the census year of 1931 and the year 1936, the proportion of Jews to the total population rose from 18 per cent to nearly 30 per cent.

16. The Arab population has increased almost entirely as a result of an excess of births over deaths. Indeed, the natural rate of increase of Moslem Arabs in Palestine is the highest in recorded statistics,1 a phenomenon explained by very high fertility rates coupled with a marked decline in death rates as a result of improved conditions of life and public health, The natural rate of increase of Jews is also relatively high, but is conditioned by a favorable age distribution of the population due to the high rate of immigration.

A/364 of 3 September 1947

Cherry picking one small point in history from an islamonazi sourced report shows that you are not looking at all the evidence. Shame on you for being an islamocatholic nazi

 

[Phoenall]

Lets just all read this so we can see what it actually says

UNR 194

Quote

Resolves that the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbours should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or in equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible; Instructs the Conciliation Commission to facilitate the repatriation, resettlement and economic and social rehabilitation of the refugees and the payment of compensation, and to maintain close relations with the Director of the United Nations Relief for Palestine Refugees and, through him, with the appropriate organs and agencies of the United Nations;

End Qute

This is actually one of my favorite resolutions.

First its non binding, but the Arab Muslims are constantly singing and dancing about this right of return nonsense so lets just assume it is binding for the sake of argument.

The area highlighted in blue clearly indicates that this resolution applies to those willing to "live in peace" with their neighbors. Something the Arab Muslims are clearly not willing to do. Ergo this resolution does not apply to ANY Arab Muslims until a termination can be made as to which ones are willing to live in peace and which aren't.

The first area in red clearly states "at the earliest practicable date". A beautifully ambiguous caveat that essentially means never. When will it ever be practicable to insert millions of hostile Arab Muslims into Israel ?

The second caveat outlined in red clearly states that compensation should be paid by the responsible parties. Another beautifully ambiguous requirement. So Who is responsible for the Arab Israeli war ? Maybe we should consider who declared war against who ? The Arab League openly declared war against the fledgling Israeli state and ignores all international appeals to end the violence to this day.

Quote

The Secretary-General of the Arab League, Azzam Pasha, was less diplomatic and far more candid. With no patience for polite or veiled language, on the same day Israel declared its independence on May 14 1948, at a Cairo press conference reported the next day in The New York Times, Pasha repeated the Arabs' "intervention to restore law and order" revealing:

"This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades." The League of Arab States continued to oppose peace after Israel's 1948 War of Independence:

• In July 15 1948, the UN Security Council adopted Resolution 54 calling on Arab aggression to stop:

"Taking into consideration that the Provisional Government of Israel has indicated its acceptance in principle of a prolongation of the truce in Palestine; that the States members of the Arab League have rejected successive appeals of the United Nations Mediator, and of the Security Council in its resolution 53 (1948) of 7 July 1948, for the prolongation of the truce in Palestine; and that there has consequently developed a renewal of hostilities in Palestine."[10]

• In October 1949, the Arab League declared that negotiation with Israel by any Arab state would be in violation of Article 18 of the Arab League.[11]
• In April 1950, it called for severance of relations with any Arab state which engaged in relations or contacts with Israel and prohibited Member states from negotiating unilateral peace with Israel.[12]
• In March 1979, it suspended Egypt's membership in the League (retroactively) from the date of its signing a peace treaty with Israel.[13]

More recently, in the Beirut Declaration of March 27-28, 2002, adopted at the height of Palestinian suicide attacks in Israel, the Arab League declared:

"We, the kings, presidents, and emirs of the Arab states meeting in the Council of the Arab League Summit in Beirut, capital of Lebanon ... have conducted a thorough assessment of the developments and challenges ... relating to the Arab region and, more specifically, to the occupied Palestinian territory. With great pride, we followed the Palestinian people's intifada and valiant resistance. ... We address a greeting of pride and honour to the Palestinian people's steadfastness and valiant intifada against the Israeli occupation and its destructive war machine. We greet with honour and pride the valiant martyrs of the intifada."[14]

The Arab League, which has systematically opposed and blocked peace efforts for nearly 67 years, and is in a declared state-of-war with Israel, is now deemed by the U.S. States Department an organization that can contribute to peace in the Middle East.

This document uses extensive links via the Internet. If you experience a broken link, please note the 5 digit number (xxxxx) at the end of the URL and use it as a Keyword in the Search Box atwww.MEfacts.com.


End Quote

Which makes the Arab League 100% responsible for the entire refugee problem from beginning to end

In which case it is the Arab League who owe reparations to all concerned

BOOM

MEfacts is an Israeli propaganda site.

So you are now saying that the UN is a propaganda site, meaning that everything monte pastes is propaganda ?

No.

You must be as this is a UN sourced document, and you have claimed it is an Israeli propaganda site. Or have you lost your marbles completely now

 

[Phoenall]

Just facts Boston, you just post propaganda. I never post Wiki links as you well know.

About 95% of the Zionist invaders came from Europe or North America.

For one day in the life of Israel, the rest of the time they came from other parts of the M.E.


Just as 95% of the Palestinians are immigrants with less than 2 years residency in Palestine which is why the UN had to create their own agency to look after them. They could not return home as they had deserted and lost face

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Jews have the right because international laws of 1917, 1923, 1924 and 1949 gave them that right, something you seem to deny exists because it would burst your bubble

Yes, and remember those international laws specifically state that they grant rights to the Jewish people based on their pre-existing claim as indigenous peoples whose place of origin is on those territories.

The Jews were to live in Palestine, with the Palestinians, as Palestinian citizens.

There was nothing about Israel, Jewish state, or exclusive rights.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Lets just all read this so we can see what it actually says

UNR 194

Quote

Resolves that the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbours should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or in equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible; Instructs the Conciliation Commission to facilitate the repatriation, resettlement and economic and social rehabilitation of the refugees and the payment of compensation, and to maintain close relations with the Director of the United Nations Relief for Palestine Refugees and, through him, with the appropriate organs and agencies of the United Nations;

End Qute

This is actually one of my favorite resolutions.

First its non binding, but the Arab Muslims are constantly singing and dancing about this right of return nonsense so lets just assume it is binding for the sake of argument.

The area highlighted in blue clearly indicates that this resolution applies to those willing to "live in peace" with their neighbors. Something the Arab Muslims are clearly not willing to do. Ergo this resolution does not apply to ANY Arab Muslims until a termination can be made as to which ones are willing to live in peace and which aren't.

The first area in red clearly states "at the earliest practicable date". A beautifully ambiguous caveat that essentially means never. When will it ever be practicable to insert millions of hostile Arab Muslims into Israel ?

The second caveat outlined in red clearly states that compensation should be paid by the responsible parties. Another beautifully ambiguous requirement. So Who is responsible for the Arab Israeli war ? Maybe we should consider who declared war against who ? The Arab League openly declared war against the fledgling Israeli state and ignores all international appeals to end the violence to this day.

Quote

The Secretary-General of the Arab League, Azzam Pasha, was less diplomatic and far more candid. With no patience for polite or veiled language, on the same day Israel declared its independence on May 14 1948, at a Cairo press conference reported the next day in The New York Times, Pasha repeated the Arabs' "intervention to restore law and order" revealing:

"This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades." The League of Arab States continued to oppose peace after Israel's 1948 War of Independence:

• In July 15 1948, the UN Security Council adopted Resolution 54 calling on Arab aggression to stop:

"Taking into consideration that the Provisional Government of Israel has indicated its acceptance in principle of a prolongation of the truce in Palestine; that the States members of the Arab League have rejected successive appeals of the United Nations Mediator, and of the Security Council in its resolution 53 (1948) of 7 July 1948, for the prolongation of the truce in Palestine; and that there has consequently developed a renewal of hostilities in Palestine."[10]

• In October 1949, the Arab League declared that negotiation with Israel by any Arab state would be in violation of Article 18 of the Arab League.[11]
• In April 1950, it called for severance of relations with any Arab state which engaged in relations or contacts with Israel and prohibited Member states from negotiating unilateral peace with Israel.[12]
• In March 1979, it suspended Egypt's membership in the League (retroactively) from the date of its signing a peace treaty with Israel.[13]

More recently, in the Beirut Declaration of March 27-28, 2002, adopted at the height of Palestinian suicide attacks in Israel, the Arab League declared:

"We, the kings, presidents, and emirs of the Arab states meeting in the Council of the Arab League Summit in Beirut, capital of Lebanon ... have conducted a thorough assessment of the developments and challenges ... relating to the Arab region and, more specifically, to the occupied Palestinian territory. With great pride, we followed the Palestinian people's intifada and valiant resistance. ... We address a greeting of pride and honour to the Palestinian people's steadfastness and valiant intifada against the Israeli occupation and its destructive war machine. We greet with honour and pride the valiant martyrs of the intifada."[14]

The Arab League, which has systematically opposed and blocked peace efforts for nearly 67 years, and is in a declared state-of-war with Israel, is now deemed by the U.S. States Department an organization that can contribute to peace in the Middle East.

This document uses extensive links via the Internet. If you experience a broken link, please note the 5 digit number (xxxxx) at the end of the URL and use it as a Keyword in the Search Box atwww.MEfacts.com.


End Quote

Which makes the Arab League 100% responsible for the entire refugee problem from beginning to end

In which case it is the Arab League who owe reparations to all concerned

BOOM

MEfacts is an Israeli propaganda site.

So you are now saying that the UN is a propaganda site, meaning that everything monte pastes is propaganda ?

No.

You must be as this is a UN sourced document, and you have claimed it is an Israeli propaganda site. Or have you lost your marbles completely now

MEfacts is an Israeli propaganda site. It is not the UN.

 

[Phoenall]

The Jews have the right because international laws of 1917, 1923, 1924 and 1949 gave them that right, something you seem to deny exists because it would burst your bubble

Yes, and remember those international laws specifically state that they grant rights to the Jewish people based on their pre-existing claim as indigenous peoples whose place of origin is on those territories.

The Jews were to live in Palestine, with the Palestinians, as Palestinian citizens.

There was nothing about Israel, Jewish state, or exclusive rights.

Jewish NATIONal home is mentioned many times, which is the Jewish state. Just as Jordan was not mentioned yet you still have the state of Jordan. Selective reading again because you don't want to see the truth.

 

[Phoenall]

Lets just all read this so we can see what it actually says

UNR 194

Quote

Resolves that the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbours should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or in equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible; Instructs the Conciliation Commission to facilitate the repatriation, resettlement and economic and social rehabilitation of the refugees and the payment of compensation, and to maintain close relations with the Director of the United Nations Relief for Palestine Refugees and, through him, with the appropriate organs and agencies of the United Nations;

End Qute

This is actually one of my favorite resolutions.

First its non binding, but the Arab Muslims are constantly singing and dancing about this right of return nonsense so lets just assume it is binding for the sake of argument.

The area highlighted in blue clearly indicates that this resolution applies to those willing to "live in peace" with their neighbors. Something the Arab Muslims are clearly not willing to do. Ergo this resolution does not apply to ANY Arab Muslims until a termination can be made as to which ones are willing to live in peace and which aren't.

The first area in red clearly states "at the earliest practicable date". A beautifully ambiguous caveat that essentially means never. When will it ever be practicable to insert millions of hostile Arab Muslims into Israel ?

The second caveat outlined in red clearly states that compensation should be paid by the responsible parties. Another beautifully ambiguous requirement. So Who is responsible for the Arab Israeli war ? Maybe we should consider who declared war against who ? The Arab League openly declared war against the fledgling Israeli state and ignores all international appeals to end the violence to this day.

Quote

The Secretary-General of the Arab League, Azzam Pasha, was less diplomatic and far more candid. With no patience for polite or veiled language, on the same day Israel declared its independence on May 14 1948, at a Cairo press conference reported the next day in The New York Times, Pasha repeated the Arabs' "intervention to restore law and order" revealing:

"This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades." The League of Arab States continued to oppose peace after Israel's 1948 War of Independence:

• In July 15 1948, the UN Security Council adopted Resolution 54 calling on Arab aggression to stop:

"Taking into consideration that the Provisional Government of Israel has indicated its acceptance in principle of a prolongation of the truce in Palestine; that the States members of the Arab League have rejected successive appeals of the United Nations Mediator, and of the Security Council in its resolution 53 (1948) of 7 July 1948, for the prolongation of the truce in Palestine; and that there has consequently developed a renewal of hostilities in Palestine."[10]

• In October 1949, the Arab League declared that negotiation with Israel by any Arab state would be in violation of Article 18 of the Arab League.[11]
• In April 1950, it called for severance of relations with any Arab state which engaged in relations or contacts with Israel and prohibited Member states from negotiating unilateral peace with Israel.[12]
• In March 1979, it suspended Egypt's membership in the League (retroactively) from the date of its signing a peace treaty with Israel.[13]

More recently, in the Beirut Declaration of March 27-28, 2002, adopted at the height of Palestinian suicide attacks in Israel, the Arab League declared:

"We, the kings, presidents, and emirs of the Arab states meeting in the Council of the Arab League Summit in Beirut, capital of Lebanon ... have conducted a thorough assessment of the developments and challenges ... relating to the Arab region and, more specifically, to the occupied Palestinian territory. With great pride, we followed the Palestinian people's intifada and valiant resistance. ... We address a greeting of pride and honour to the Palestinian people's steadfastness and valiant intifada against the Israeli occupation and its destructive war machine. We greet with honour and pride the valiant martyrs of the intifada."[14]

The Arab League, which has systematically opposed and blocked peace efforts for nearly 67 years, and is in a declared state-of-war with Israel, is now deemed by the U.S. States Department an organization that can contribute to peace in the Middle East.

This document uses extensive links via the Internet. If you experience a broken link, please note the 5 digit number (xxxxx) at the end of the URL and use it as a Keyword in the Search Box atwww.MEfacts.com.


End Quote

Which makes the Arab League 100% responsible for the entire refugee problem from beginning to end

In which case it is the Arab League who owe reparations to all concerned

BOOM

MEfacts is an Israeli propaganda site.

So you are now saying that the UN is a propaganda site, meaning that everything monte pastes is propaganda ?

No.

You must be as this is a UN sourced document, and you have claimed it is an Israeli propaganda site. Or have you lost your marbles completely now

MEfacts is an Israeli propaganda site. It is not the UN.

The source is the UN, and you have a problem in understanding this simple concept

If I make a statement then I am the source
If you repeat my statement I am still the source

In this case the statement was made by the UN and repeated by MEfacts, making the source the UN. So you are just stirring up more hatred for the Jews and inciting more violence.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Jews have the right because international laws of 1917, 1923, 1924 and 1949 gave them that right, something you seem to deny exists because it would burst your bubble

Yes, and remember those international laws specifically state that they grant rights to the Jewish people based on their pre-existing claim as indigenous peoples whose place of origin is on those territories.

The Jews were to live in Palestine, with the Palestinians, as Palestinian citizens.

There was nothing about Israel, Jewish state, or exclusive rights.

Jewish NATIONal home is mentioned many times, which is the Jewish state. Just as Jordan was not mentioned yet you still have the state of Jordan. Selective reading again because you don't want to see the truth.

That does not refute my post.

 

[Phoenall]

The Jews have the right because international laws of 1917, 1923, 1924 and 1949 gave them that right, something you seem to deny exists because it would burst your bubble

Yes, and remember those international laws specifically state that they grant rights to the Jewish people based on their pre-existing claim as indigenous peoples whose place of origin is on those territories.

The Jews were to live in Palestine, with the Palestinians, as Palestinian citizens.

There was nothing about Israel, Jewish state, or exclusive rights.

Jewish NATIONal home is mentioned many times, which is the Jewish state. Just as Jordan was not mentioned yet you still have the state of Jordan. Selective reading again because you don't want to see the truth.

That does not refute my post.

Yes it does, it is just that you don't want to see it that way. The LoN set aside the land for a Jewish state and in treaties called it the Jewish National home

 

[Shusha]

The Jews were to live in Palestine, with the Palestinians, as Palestinian citizens.

There was nothing about Israel, Jewish state, or exclusive rights.

Even if this is true (and its obviously not), as you continually point out -- the INTENT of the Mandate was to allow the inhabitants to develop their own governments and their own independence. That includes ALL the inhabitants. Even if the intent was for the Jewish people and the Palestinian people to co-govern a bi-national state, that's not the way it fell out. Each group wants its own self-determination. The two are essentially incompatible.

So what's the big deal about giving it to both of them?

 

[montelatici]

The big deal is that the British conspired with the Zionists to colonize Palestine at the expense of the native inhabitants. There was no way to transfer tens of thousands Europeans with the intent of establishing a state for said Europeans without harming the native inhabitants and impeding their right to self-determination. As the current situation demonstrates.

 

[Shusha]

The big deal is that the British conspired with the Zionists to colonize Palestine at the expense of the native inhabitants. There was no way to transfer tens of thousands Europeans with the intent of establishing a state for said Europeans without harming the native inhabitants and impeding their right to self-determination. As the current situation demonstrates.

But you are doing the same thing -- assuming that only ONE group of the two has a right to self-determination.

The sooner we get over that, the sooner we will end the conflict.

 

[montelatici]

Yes, only one group had the right to self-determination. The inhabitants of Palestine at the time of the signing of the Covenant of the League of Nations pursuant to Article 22. Not people living in Europe.

"ARTICLE 22.
To those colonies and territories which as a consequence of the late war have ceased to be under the sovereignty of the States which formerly governed them and which are inhabited by peoples not yet able to stand by themselves under the strenuous conditions of the modern world, there should be applied the principle that the well-being and development of such peoples form a sacred trust of civilisation and that securities for the performance of this trust should be embodied in this Covenant."

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Jews were to live in Palestine, with the Palestinians, as Palestinian citizens.

There was nothing about Israel, Jewish state, or exclusive rights.

Even if this is true (and its obviously not), as you continually point out -- the INTENT of the Mandate was to allow the inhabitants to develop their own governments and their own independence. That includes ALL the inhabitants. Even if the intent was for the Jewish people and the Palestinian people to co-govern a bi-national state, that's not the way it fell out. Each group wants its own self-determination. The two are essentially incompatible.

So what's the big deal about giving it to both of them?

Giving what to both of them?

 

[Shusha]

Yes, only one group had the right to self-determination. The inhabitants of Palestine at the time of the signing of the Covenant of the League of Nations pursuant to Article 22. Not people living in Europe.

"ARTICLE 22.
To those colonies and territories which as a consequence of the late war have ceased to be under the sovereignty of the States which formerly governed them and which are inhabited by peoples not yet able to stand by themselves under the strenuous conditions of the modern world, there should be applied the principle that the well-being and development of such peoples form a sacred trust of civilisation and that securities for the performance of this trust should be embodied in this Covenant."

I get it. But part of self-determination is the ability to control immigration. And part of the Mandate was to encourage immigration of the Jewish people back to their homeland. The fact is, whatever date in that time period you pick for deciding who the inhabitants were -- there are ALWAYS two groups. ALWAYS two people seeking self-determination on that particular territory.