The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indiginous to Palestine?

[Sixties Fan]

At one time the Jews were invaders of a pre existing culture. Be careful who you term invaders.

Absolute bull-hockey. There was no Jewish culture until the Jewish culture came into being. It came into being in that homeland as a natural development of the pre-existing culture. Every bit of archaeological evidence points to this. There is absolutely no evidence of an invasion. Nor is there evidence of Jewish culture pre-existing anywhere else in the world.

Palestine

Where does it say that the entire native population moved out and an entirely new population moved in? When did that happen?

NOBODY said that an "entire population" moved out.
Again, the Jewish people are a melting pot of most of the tribes which were around Canaan at the time.

Now, STOP changing what happened.

 

[Coyote]

At one time the Jews were invaders of a pre existing culture. Be careful who you term invaders.

Absolute bull-hockey. There was no Jewish culture until the Jewish culture came into being. It came into being in that homeland as a natural development of the pre-existing culture. Every bit of archaeological evidence points to this. There is absolutely no evidence of an invasion. Nor is there evidence of Jewish culture pre-existing anywhere else in the world.

Palestine

That page is incorrectly labelled as "Palestine".

But what is your point?


Edited to add: Also, notice how ISRAEL has been erased from that page?

Do you mean the map to the right? It seems to be a latter map with the words Judaea, Galilee and Samaria on it. Post the Kingdom of Israel, I would say.

I mean more generally. Why has it entered into common vocabulary to call the region "Palestine"?

Because Palestine is a long standing historic term for the region.

 

[Coyote]

At one time the Jews were invaders of a pre existing culture. Be careful who you term invaders.

Absolute bull-hockey. There was no Jewish culture until the Jewish culture came into being. It came into being in that homeland as a natural development of the pre-existing culture. Every bit of archaeological evidence points to this. There is absolutely no evidence of an invasion. Nor is there evidence of Jewish culture pre-existing anywhere else in the world.

Palestine

Where does it say that the entire native population moved out and an entirely new population moved in? When did that happen?

NOBODY said that an "entire population" moved out.
Again, the Jewish people are a melting pot of most of the tribes which were around Canaan at the time.

Now, STOP changing what happened.

As are the Palestinian people.

 

[Coyote]

Coyote

Please don't tell me you have fallen for the absolute bull-hockey that Arab Palestinians are really ancient Philistines.

No. Where exactly did I say that? I have always been pretty clear that the Palestinians are an amalgram of many ancient and modern peoples in that region.

 

[Coyote]

At one time the Jews were invaders of a pre existing culture. Be careful who you term invaders.

Absolute bull-hockey. There was no Jewish culture until the Jewish culture came into being. It came into being in that homeland as a natural development of the pre-existing culture. Every bit of archaeological evidence points to this. There is absolutely no evidence of an invasion. Nor is there evidence of Jewish culture pre-existing anywhere else in the world.

Palestine

That is a REGION called Palestine, where the Jewish Kingdoms flourished.

It was named after the Philistines and it denotes mainly the area of Gaza where the Philistines built their Empire.

It says so in the article:

Palestine in the ancient world was part of the region known as Canaan where the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah were located. The term `Palestine’ was originally a designation of an area of land in southern Canaan which the people known as the Philistines occupied a very small part of, the Canaanites, Canaanite-Phoenicians, and the Israelites, among others, having established themselves in the area much earlier. The Philistines are thought to have come to the area toward the end of the Bronze Age c. 1276 BCE and established themselves on the southern coastal plain of the Mediterranean Sea in an area afterwards known as Philistia.

Who was there before the Jewish kingdoms? As the article I linked to pointed out, they invaded an even earlier people.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Absolute bull-hockey. There was no Jewish culture until the Jewish culture came into being. It came into being in that homeland as a natural development of the pre-existing culture. Every bit of archaeological evidence points to this. There is absolutely no evidence of an invasion. Nor is there evidence of Jewish culture pre-existing anywhere else in the world.

Palestine

That page is incorrectly labelled as "Palestine".

But what is your point?


Edited to add: Also, notice how ISRAEL has been erased from that page?

Do you mean the map to the right? It seems to be a latter map with the words Judaea, Galilee and Samaria on it. Post the Kingdom of Israel, I would say.

I mean more generally. Why has it entered into common vocabulary to call the region "Palestine"?

Because Palestine is a long standing historic term for the region.

Since the 5th Century BCE, as the article states. But you would like to make it for at least 10 more centuries before.

And to think that the word Palestine did not exist before the Philistine Greeks arrived.
The name was given because they were total foreigners to the area and some indigenous people identified them that way. And the word stuck. Philistines = Invaders.

Now, where were the Arabs 10,000 years ago? Or 5,000 years ago? Or 3000 years ago?
How many of them can be found in Canaan?
Any mention of them by Alexander?
Any mention of Palestinians? Of course not.

But somehow, you will continue to insist that the Arabs who have been calling themselves Palestinians since 1964 CE, have been around for at least 3000 years, or more, but just simply did not call themselves Palestinians.

Somehow the Romans did not know that Palestine had a long standing history in the area.

The reason they change Judea's name to Syria Palestina was because the Jews had been once defeated by both the Philistines, and then by the Assyrians. Not because there were people called Palestinians, or people at the time of the Philistines, actually called the area Palestine.

And......to humiliate the heck out of the Jews

 

[Sixties Fan]

Coyote

Please don't tell me you have fallen for the absolute bull-hockey that Arab Palestinians are really ancient Philistines.

No. Where exactly did I say that? I have always been pretty clear that the Palestinians are an amalgram of many ancient and modern peoples in that region.

But that is NOT what they say.

So, why in the world do you keep insisting on YOUR version of who they are?

 

[Coyote]

Coyote

Please don't tell me you have fallen for the absolute bull-hockey that Arab Palestinians are really ancient Philistines.

No. Where exactly did I say that? I have always been pretty clear that the Palestinians are an amalgram of many ancient and modern peoples in that region.

But that is NOT what they say.

So, why in the world do you keep insisting on YOUR version of who they are?

Because I base “my” version on what historians and scientists say, not what YOU claim.

 

[Coyote]

Palestine

That page is incorrectly labelled as "Palestine".

But what is your point?


Edited to add: Also, notice how ISRAEL has been erased from that page?

Do you mean the map to the right? It seems to be a latter map with the words Judaea, Galilee and Samaria on it. Post the Kingdom of Israel, I would say.

I mean more generally. Why has it entered into common vocabulary to call the region "Palestine"?

Because Palestine is a long standing historic term for the region.

Since the 5th Century BCE, as the article states. But you would like to make it for at least 10 more centuries before.

And to think that the word Palestine did not exist before the Philistine Greeks arrived.
The name was given because they were total foreigners to the area and some indigenous people identified them that way. And the word stuck. Philistines = Invaders.

Now, where were the Arabs 10,000 years ago? Or 5,000 years ago? Or 3000 years ago?
How many of them can be found in Canaan?
Any mention of them by Alexander?
Any mention of Palestinians? Of course not.

But somehow, you will continue to insist that the Arabs who have been calling themselves Palestinians since 1964 CE, have been around for at least 3000 years, or more, but just simply did not call themselves Palestinians.

Somehow the Romans did not know that Palestine had a long standing history in the area.

The reason they change Judea's name to Syria Palestina was because the Jews had been once defeated by both the Philistines, and then by the Assyrians. Not because there were people called Palestinians, or people at the time of the Philistines, actually called the area Palestine.

And......to humiliate the heck out of the Jews

5th century BC. Over 2000 years. That is plenty long enough.

 

[Sixties Fan]

At one time the Jews were invaders of a pre existing culture. Be careful who you term invaders.

Absolute bull-hockey. There was no Jewish culture until the Jewish culture came into being. It came into being in that homeland as a natural development of the pre-existing culture. Every bit of archaeological evidence points to this. There is absolutely no evidence of an invasion. Nor is there evidence of Jewish culture pre-existing anywhere else in the world.

Palestine

That is a REGION called Palestine, where the Jewish Kingdoms flourished.

It was named after the Philistines and it denotes mainly the area of Gaza where the Philistines built their Empire.

It says so in the article:

Palestine in the ancient world was part of the region known as Canaan where the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah were located. The term `Palestine’ was originally a designation of an area of land in southern Canaan which the people known as the Philistines occupied a very small part of, the Canaanites, Canaanite-Phoenicians, and the Israelites, among others, having established themselves in the area much earlier. The Philistines are thought to have come to the area toward the end of the Bronze Age c. 1276 BCE and established themselves on the southern coastal plain of the Mediterranean Sea in an area afterwards known as Philistia.

Who was there before the Jewish kingdoms? As the article I linked to pointed out, they invaded an even earlier people.

You are following the Torah version of the Exodus and "invasion" by Aaron and those who left Egypt.

What if that did not happen?
What if indeed they were slaves in Egypt, but once Egypt began to crumble they managed to escape and returned to Canaan which was their original homeland?
What if they simply migrated and built communities as tribes are bound to do and and as it has been told, their (and other tribes) were conquered by the Philistines, as it did happen, until David happened to defeat Goliath, or whichever way the Philistines

At one time the Jews were invaders of a pre existing culture. Be careful who you term invaders.

Absolute bull-hockey. There was no Jewish culture until the Jewish culture came into being. It came into being in that homeland as a natural development of the pre-existing culture. Every bit of archaeological evidence points to this. There is absolutely no evidence of an invasion. Nor is there evidence of Jewish culture pre-existing anywhere else in the world.

Palestine

That is a REGION called Palestine, where the Jewish Kingdoms flourished.

It was named after the Philistines and it denotes mainly the area of Gaza where the Philistines built their Empire.

It says so in the article:

Palestine in the ancient world was part of the region known as Canaan where the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah were located. The term `Palestine’ was originally a designation of an area of land in southern Canaan which the people known as the Philistines occupied a very small part of, the Canaanites, Canaanite-Phoenicians, and the Israelites, among others, having established themselves in the area much earlier. The Philistines are thought to have come to the area toward the end of the Bronze Age c. 1276 BCE and established themselves on the southern coastal plain of the Mediterranean Sea in an area afterwards known as Philistia.

Who was there before the Jewish kingdoms? As the article I linked to pointed out, they invaded an even earlier people.

Coyote

Please don't tell me you have fallen for the absolute bull-hockey that Arab Palestinians are really ancient Philistines.

No. Where exactly did I say that? I have always been pretty clear that the Palestinians are an amalgram of many ancient and modern peoples in that region.

But that is NOT what they say.

So, why in the world do you keep insisting on YOUR version of who they are?

Because I base “my” version on what historians and scientists say, not what YOU claim.

I believe that I have pointed out that your historians and scientists are nothing but crooks, who would never have come up with those "findings" if it hadn't been that Israel came to be.

I.....do not claim. History and conclusive DNA, does.

 

[Sixties Fan]

That page is incorrectly labelled as "Palestine".

But what is your point?


Edited to add: Also, notice how ISRAEL has been erased from that page?

Do you mean the map to the right? It seems to be a latter map with the words Judaea, Galilee and Samaria on it. Post the Kingdom of Israel, I would say.

I mean more generally. Why has it entered into common vocabulary to call the region "Palestine"?

Because Palestine is a long standing historic term for the region.

Since the 5th Century BCE, as the article states. But you would like to make it for at least 10 more centuries before.

And to think that the word Palestine did not exist before the Philistine Greeks arrived.
The name was given because they were total foreigners to the area and some indigenous people identified them that way. And the word stuck. Philistines = Invaders.

Now, where were the Arabs 10,000 years ago? Or 5,000 years ago? Or 3000 years ago?
How many of them can be found in Canaan?
Any mention of them by Alexander?
Any mention of Palestinians? Of course not.

But somehow, you will continue to insist that the Arabs who have been calling themselves Palestinians since 1964 CE, have been around for at least 3000 years, or more, but just simply did not call themselves Palestinians.

Somehow the Romans did not know that Palestine had a long standing history in the area.

The reason they change Judea's name to Syria Palestina was because the Jews had been once defeated by both the Philistines, and then by the Assyrians. Not because there were people called Palestinians, or people at the time of the Philistines, actually called the area Palestine.

And......to humiliate the heck out of the Jews

5th century BC. Over 2000 years. That is plenty long enough.

But they, the "Palestinians" are claiming over 10,000 years.

And no Arab history in the region, not until the 7th century CE.

Plenty is not good enough, since the Arabs had nothing to do with those names, no history in the area, NOTHING.

 

[Coyote]

Do you mean the map to the right? It seems to be a latter map with the words Judaea, Galilee and Samaria on it. Post the Kingdom of Israel, I would say.

I mean more generally. Why has it entered into common vocabulary to call the region "Palestine"?

Because Palestine is a long standing historic term for the region.

Since the 5th Century BCE, as the article states. But you would like to make it for at least 10 more centuries before.

And to think that the word Palestine did not exist before the Philistine Greeks arrived.
The name was given because they were total foreigners to the area and some indigenous people identified them that way. And the word stuck. Philistines = Invaders.

Now, where were the Arabs 10,000 years ago? Or 5,000 years ago? Or 3000 years ago?
How many of them can be found in Canaan?
Any mention of them by Alexander?
Any mention of Palestinians? Of course not.

But somehow, you will continue to insist that the Arabs who have been calling themselves Palestinians since 1964 CE, have been around for at least 3000 years, or more, but just simply did not call themselves Palestinians.

Somehow the Romans did not know that Palestine had a long standing history in the area.

The reason they change Judea's name to Syria Palestina was because the Jews had been once defeated by both the Philistines, and then by the Assyrians. Not because there were people called Palestinians, or people at the time of the Philistines, actually called the area Palestine.

And......to humiliate the heck out of the Jews

5th century BC. Over 2000 years. That is plenty long enough.

But they, the "Palestinians" are claiming over 10,000 years.

And no Arab history in the region, not until the 7th century CE.

Plenty is not good enough, since the Arabs had nothing to do with those names, no history in the area, NOTHING.

The Palestinians aren’t just Arabs.

 

[Coyote]

At one time the Jews were invaders of a pre existing culture. Be careful who you term invaders.

Absolute bull-hockey. There was no Jewish culture until the Jewish culture came into being. It came into being in that homeland as a natural development of the pre-existing culture. Every bit of archaeological evidence points to this. There is absolutely no evidence of an invasion. Nor is there evidence of Jewish culture pre-existing anywhere else in the world.

Palestine

That is a REGION called Palestine, where the Jewish Kingdoms flourished.

It was named after the Philistines and it denotes mainly the area of Gaza where the Philistines built their Empire.

It says so in the article:

Palestine in the ancient world was part of the region known as Canaan where the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah were located. The term `Palestine’ was originally a designation of an area of land in southern Canaan which the people known as the Philistines occupied a very small part of, the Canaanites, Canaanite-Phoenicians, and the Israelites, among others, having established themselves in the area much earlier. The Philistines are thought to have come to the area toward the end of the Bronze Age c. 1276 BCE and established themselves on the southern coastal plain of the Mediterranean Sea in an area afterwards known as Philistia.

Who was there before the Jewish kingdoms? As the article I linked to pointed out, they invaded an even earlier people.

You are following the Torah version of the Exodus and "invasion" by Aaron and those who left Egypt.

What if that did not happen?
What if indeed they were slaves in Egypt, but once Egypt began to crumble they managed to escape and returned to Canaan which was their original homeland?
What if they simply migrated and built communities as tribes are bound to do and and as it has been told, their (and other tribes) were conquered by the Philistines, as it did happen, until David happened to defeat Goliath, or whichever way the Philistines

At one time the Jews were invaders of a pre existing culture. Be careful who you term invaders.

Absolute bull-hockey. There was no Jewish culture until the Jewish culture came into being. It came into being in that homeland as a natural development of the pre-existing culture. Every bit of archaeological evidence points to this. There is absolutely no evidence of an invasion. Nor is there evidence of Jewish culture pre-existing anywhere else in the world.

Palestine

That is a REGION called Palestine, where the Jewish Kingdoms flourished.

It was named after the Philistines and it denotes mainly the area of Gaza where the Philistines built their Empire.

It says so in the article:

Palestine in the ancient world was part of the region known as Canaan where the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah were located. The term `Palestine’ was originally a designation of an area of land in southern Canaan which the people known as the Philistines occupied a very small part of, the Canaanites, Canaanite-Phoenicians, and the Israelites, among others, having established themselves in the area much earlier. The Philistines are thought to have come to the area toward the end of the Bronze Age c. 1276 BCE and established themselves on the southern coastal plain of the Mediterranean Sea in an area afterwards known as Philistia.

Who was there before the Jewish kingdoms? As the article I linked to pointed out, they invaded an even earlier people.

Coyote

Please don't tell me you have fallen for the absolute bull-hockey that Arab Palestinians are really ancient Philistines.

No. Where exactly did I say that? I have always been pretty clear that the Palestinians are an amalgram of many ancient and modern peoples in that region.

But that is NOT what they say.

So, why in the world do you keep insisting on YOUR version of who they are?

Because I base “my” version on what historians and scientists say, not what YOU claim.

I believe that I have pointed out that your historians and scientists are nothing but crooks, who would never have come up with those "findings" if it hadn't been that Israel came to be.

I.....do not claim. History and conclusive DNA, does.

And what if they didn’t migrate but invaded? Interesting choices of words. Invaded for some...migrated for others. A bit of a bias showing?

So you suddenly find DNA acceptable? Really? Then I guess you will finally agree that the DNA shows Palestinians more closely related to Jews then to Arabs of the Arabian Peninsula.

 

[Sixties Fan]

I mean more generally. Why has it entered into common vocabulary to call the region "Palestine"?

Because Palestine is a long standing historic term for the region.

Since the 5th Century BCE, as the article states. But you would like to make it for at least 10 more centuries before.

And to think that the word Palestine did not exist before the Philistine Greeks arrived.
The name was given because they were total foreigners to the area and some indigenous people identified them that way. And the word stuck. Philistines = Invaders.

Now, where were the Arabs 10,000 years ago? Or 5,000 years ago? Or 3000 years ago?
How many of them can be found in Canaan?
Any mention of them by Alexander?
Any mention of Palestinians? Of course not.

But somehow, you will continue to insist that the Arabs who have been calling themselves Palestinians since 1964 CE, have been around for at least 3000 years, or more, but just simply did not call themselves Palestinians.

Somehow the Romans did not know that Palestine had a long standing history in the area.

The reason they change Judea's name to Syria Palestina was because the Jews had been once defeated by both the Philistines, and then by the Assyrians. Not because there were people called Palestinians, or people at the time of the Philistines, actually called the area Palestine.

And......to humiliate the heck out of the Jews

5th century BC. Over 2000 years. That is plenty long enough.

But they, the "Palestinians" are claiming over 10,000 years.

And no Arab history in the region, not until the 7th century CE.

Plenty is not good enough, since the Arabs had nothing to do with those names, no history in the area, NOTHING.

The Palestinians aren’t just Arabs.

The "Palestinians " are nothing but a people put together to put an end to Israel. Because if they had succeeded in destroying Israel in 1948 and killed or expelled all the Jews from the area, as the Hashemites did in TranJordan, as Gaza was emptied of Jews in 1920, and Judea and Samaria were emptied of Jews in 1948, as well.......we would not be having any of these discussions because the Arabs would not be calling themselves Palestinians, No Matter What, and would have added Israel to the rest of what they already had, and would have called themselves a Caliphate, and probably what they wanted to call themselves since WWI. Syrians.

So from Arabia, Egypt, Bosnia, Armenia, Yemen, Lebanon, Syria, so on and so forth. It does not matter.

They would not find themselves DEAD being called Palestinians had it not been for the fact that they did NOT destroy Israel, and never will.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Absolute bull-hockey. There was no Jewish culture until the Jewish culture came into being. It came into being in that homeland as a natural development of the pre-existing culture. Every bit of archaeological evidence points to this. There is absolutely no evidence of an invasion. Nor is there evidence of Jewish culture pre-existing anywhere else in the world.

Palestine

That is a REGION called Palestine, where the Jewish Kingdoms flourished.

It was named after the Philistines and it denotes mainly the area of Gaza where the Philistines built their Empire.

It says so in the article:

Palestine in the ancient world was part of the region known as Canaan where the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah were located. The term `Palestine’ was originally a designation of an area of land in southern Canaan which the people known as the Philistines occupied a very small part of, the Canaanites, Canaanite-Phoenicians, and the Israelites, among others, having established themselves in the area much earlier. The Philistines are thought to have come to the area toward the end of the Bronze Age c. 1276 BCE and established themselves on the southern coastal plain of the Mediterranean Sea in an area afterwards known as Philistia.

Who was there before the Jewish kingdoms? As the article I linked to pointed out, they invaded an even earlier people.

You are following the Torah version of the Exodus and "invasion" by Aaron and those who left Egypt.

What if that did not happen?
What if indeed they were slaves in Egypt, but once Egypt began to crumble they managed to escape and returned to Canaan which was their original homeland?
What if they simply migrated and built communities as tribes are bound to do and and as it has been told, their (and other tribes) were conquered by the Philistines, as it did happen, until David happened to defeat Goliath, or whichever way the Philistines

Absolute bull-hockey. There was no Jewish culture until the Jewish culture came into being. It came into being in that homeland as a natural development of the pre-existing culture. Every bit of archaeological evidence points to this. There is absolutely no evidence of an invasion. Nor is there evidence of Jewish culture pre-existing anywhere else in the world.

Palestine

That is a REGION called Palestine, where the Jewish Kingdoms flourished.

It was named after the Philistines and it denotes mainly the area of Gaza where the Philistines built their Empire.

It says so in the article:

Palestine in the ancient world was part of the region known as Canaan where the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah were located. The term `Palestine’ was originally a designation of an area of land in southern Canaan which the people known as the Philistines occupied a very small part of, the Canaanites, Canaanite-Phoenicians, and the Israelites, among others, having established themselves in the area much earlier. The Philistines are thought to have come to the area toward the end of the Bronze Age c. 1276 BCE and established themselves on the southern coastal plain of the Mediterranean Sea in an area afterwards known as Philistia.

Who was there before the Jewish kingdoms? As the article I linked to pointed out, they invaded an even earlier people.

Coyote

Please don't tell me you have fallen for the absolute bull-hockey that Arab Palestinians are really ancient Philistines.

No. Where exactly did I say that? I have always been pretty clear that the Palestinians are an amalgram of many ancient and modern peoples in that region.

But that is NOT what they say.

So, why in the world do you keep insisting on YOUR version of who they are?

Because I base “my” version on what historians and scientists say, not what YOU claim.

I believe that I have pointed out that your historians and scientists are nothing but crooks, who would never have come up with those "findings" if it hadn't been that Israel came to be.

I.....do not claim. History and conclusive DNA, does.

And what if they didn’t migrate but invaded? Interesting choices of words. Invaded for some...migrated for others. A bit of a bias showing?

So you suddenly find DNA acceptable? Really? Then I guess you will finally agree that the DNA shows Palestinians more closely related to Jews then to Arabs of the Arabian Peninsula.

That is the DNA test YOU want to believe in, not the ones the Palestinians will never put themselves through.

We are talking about over 3000 years ago. The Philistines, Egypt, Israel, etc.

You want to talk about invasion and migration for the Palestinians ?

in the 7th century CE the Kurdish Muslims invaded and defeated the Byzantine.
After that, the Arab Muslims invaded.
After that, whichever Muslims wanted to Migrate into any of the conquered areas, did so.

That goes for any part outside of Arabia, what is known now as the Middle East, North Africa, and Southern Spain.

One only has to look at the culture and language spoken in many of the modern countries to find out that everywhere the Muslim Kurds, and Moors invaded, the Arabs followed, migrated.

But not before Islam was founded.

No history of many Arabs in Canaan, no tribes, no nation, no history.

And if you have not noticed, Palestinians identify themselves as Arabs, not as Amorites, Canaanites, etc....

Here is a list of Canaanite Kings. For some reason, the Palestinians do NOT identify with any of them, or with any of the tribes which made up ancient Canaan:

And for some reason, most Palestinians will identify with a tribe which comes from Arabia, including Abbas, Arafat and all the Arab leaders and the tribes one finds in Gaza and in areas A and B, and even the Arabs living in Area C, or in Israel.
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Names of Canaanite kings or other figures mentioned in historiography or known through archaeology:

Confirmed archaeologically

• Niqmaddu I of Ugarit (Known from a seal used by Ugaritan Kings)
• Yaqarum I of Ugarit (Known from a seal used by Ugaritan Kings)
• Ammittamru I of Ugarit (Amarna letters)
• Niqmaddu II of Ugarit (Amarna letters) (1349–1315 BC)
• Arhalba of Ugarit (1315–1313 BC)
• Niqmepa of Ugarit (1313–1260 BC)
• Ammittamru II of Ugarit (1260–1235 BC)
• Ibiranu of Ugarit (1235–1220 BC)
• Ammurapi of Ugarit (1215–1185 BC)
• Aziru, ruler of Amurru (Amarna letters)
• Labaya, lord of Shechem (Amarna letters)
• Abdikheba, mayor of Jerusalem (Amarna letters)
• Šuwardata, mayor of Qiltu (Amarna letters)

Hebrew Bible and other historiography

• Canaan, son of Ham (Gen. 10:6)
• Sidon, firstborn son of Canaan (Gen. 10:15)
• Heth, son of Canaan (Gen. 10:15)
• Cronos (Ilus), founder of Byblos according to Sanchuniathon
• Mamre, an Amorite chieftain (Gen. 13:18)
• Makamaron, king of Canaan (Jubilees 46:6)
• Sihon, king of Amorites (Deut 1:4)
• Og, king of Bashan (Deut 1:4)
• Adonizedek, king of Jerusalem (Josh. 10:1)
• Debir, king of Eglon (Josh. 10:3)
• Jabin, name of two kings of Hazor (Josh. 11:1; Judges 5:6)

Rulers of Tyre

• Abibaal 990–978 BC
• Hiram I 978–944 BC
• Baal-Eser I (Balbazer I) 944–927 BC
• Abdastartus 927–918 BC
• Methusastartus 918–906 BC
• Astarymus 906–897 BC
• Phelles 897–896 BC
• Eshbaal I 896–863 BC
• Baal-Eser II (Balbazer II) 863–829 BC
• Mattan I 829–820 BC
• Pygmalion 820–774 BC
• Eshbaal II 750–739 BC
• Hiram II 739–730 BC
• Mattan II 730–729 BC
• Elulaios 729 694 BC
• Abd Melqart 694–680 BC
• Baal I 680–660 BC
• Tyre may have been under control of Assyria and/or Egypt for 70 years
• Eshbaal III 591–573 BC—Carthage became independent of Tyre in 574 BC
• Baal II 573–564 BC (under Babylonian overlords)
• Yakinbaal 564 BC
• Chelbes 564–563 BC
• Abbar 563–562 BC
• Mattan III and Ger Ashthari 562–556 BC
• Baal-Eser III 556–555 BC
• Mahar-Baal 555–551 BC
• Hiram III 551–532 BC
• Mattan III (under Persian Control)
• Boulomenus
• Abdemon c.420–411 BC

Canaan - Wikipedia

 

[P F Tinmore]

At one time the Jews were invaders of a pre existing culture. Be careful who you term invaders.

Absolute bull-hockey. There was no Jewish culture until the Jewish culture came into being. It came into being in that homeland as a natural development of the pre-existing culture. Every bit of archaeological evidence points to this. There is absolutely no evidence of an invasion. Nor is there evidence of Jewish culture pre-existing anywhere else in the world.

Palestine

Where does it say that the entire native population moved out and an entirely new population moved in? When did that happen?

NOBODY said that an "entire population" moved out.
Again, the Jewish people are a melting pot of most of the tribes which were around Canaan at the time.

Now, STOP changing what happened.

As are the Palestinian people.

My contention is that whenever a territory is conquered, the elites are removed and everyone else stays to be exploited. With this in mind, the same people have remained from the beginning of time. Surely there has been some mixing of populations during all of this turmoil, but the core group of Palestinians have been there forever.

 

[Coyote]

Palestine

That is a REGION called Palestine, where the Jewish Kingdoms flourished.

It was named after the Philistines and it denotes mainly the area of Gaza where the Philistines built their Empire.

It says so in the article:

Palestine in the ancient world was part of the region known as Canaan where the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah were located. The term `Palestine’ was originally a designation of an area of land in southern Canaan which the people known as the Philistines occupied a very small part of, the Canaanites, Canaanite-Phoenicians, and the Israelites, among others, having established themselves in the area much earlier. The Philistines are thought to have come to the area toward the end of the Bronze Age c. 1276 BCE and established themselves on the southern coastal plain of the Mediterranean Sea in an area afterwards known as Philistia.

Who was there before the Jewish kingdoms? As the article I linked to pointed out, they invaded an even earlier people.

You are following the Torah version of the Exodus and "invasion" by Aaron and those who left Egypt.

What if that did not happen?
What if indeed they were slaves in Egypt, but once Egypt began to crumble they managed to escape and returned to Canaan which was their original homeland?
What if they simply migrated and built communities as tribes are bound to do and and as it has been told, their (and other tribes) were conquered by the Philistines, as it did happen, until David happened to defeat Goliath, or whichever way the Philistines

Palestine

That is a REGION called Palestine, where the Jewish Kingdoms flourished.

It was named after the Philistines and it denotes mainly the area of Gaza where the Philistines built their Empire.

It says so in the article:

Palestine in the ancient world was part of the region known as Canaan where the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah were located. The term `Palestine’ was originally a designation of an area of land in southern Canaan which the people known as the Philistines occupied a very small part of, the Canaanites, Canaanite-Phoenicians, and the Israelites, among others, having established themselves in the area much earlier. The Philistines are thought to have come to the area toward the end of the Bronze Age c. 1276 BCE and established themselves on the southern coastal plain of the Mediterranean Sea in an area afterwards known as Philistia.

Who was there before the Jewish kingdoms? As the article I linked to pointed out, they invaded an even earlier people.

No. Where exactly did I say that? I have always been pretty clear that the Palestinians are an amalgram of many ancient and modern peoples in that region.

But that is NOT what they say.

So, why in the world do you keep insisting on YOUR version of who they are?

Because I base “my” version on what historians and scientists say, not what YOU claim.

I believe that I have pointed out that your historians and scientists are nothing but crooks, who would never have come up with those "findings" if it hadn't been that Israel came to be.

I.....do not claim. History and conclusive DNA, does.

And what if they didn’t migrate but invaded? Interesting choices of words. Invaded for some...migrated for others. A bit of a bias showing?

So you suddenly find DNA acceptable? Really? Then I guess you will finally agree that the DNA shows Palestinians more closely related to Jews then to Arabs of the Arabian Peninsula.

That is the DNA test YOU want to believe in, not the ones the Palestinians will never put themselves through.

We are talking about over 3000 years ago. The Philistines, Egypt, Israel, etc.

You want to talk about invasion and migration for the Palestinians ?

in the 7th century CE the Kurdish Muslims invaded and defeated the Byzantine.
After that, the Arab Muslims invaded.
After that, whichever Muslims wanted to Migrate into any of the conquered areas, did so.

That goes for any part outside of Arabia, what is known now as the Middle East, North Africa, and Southern Spain.

One only has to look at the culture and language spoken in many of the modern countries to find out that everywhere the Muslim Kurds, and Moors invaded, the Arabs followed, migrated.

But not before Islam was founded.

No history of many Arabs in Canaan, no tribes, no nation, no history.

And if you have not noticed, Palestinians identify themselves as Arabs, not as Amorites, Canaanites, etc....

Here is a list of Canaanite Kings. For some reason, the Palestinians do NOT identify with any of them, or with any of the tribes which made up ancient Canaan:

And for some reason, most Palestinians will identify with a tribe which comes from Arabia, including Abbas, Arafat and all the Arab leaders and the tribes one finds in Gaza and in areas A and B, and even the Arabs living in Area C, or in Israel.
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Names of Canaanite kings or other figures mentioned in historiography or known through archaeology:

Confirmed archaeologically

• Niqmaddu I of Ugarit (Known from a seal used by Ugaritan Kings)
• Yaqarum I of Ugarit (Known from a seal used by Ugaritan Kings)
• Ammittamru I of Ugarit (Amarna letters)
• Niqmaddu II of Ugarit (Amarna letters) (1349–1315 BC)
• Arhalba of Ugarit (1315–1313 BC)
• Niqmepa of Ugarit (1313–1260 BC)
• Ammittamru II of Ugarit (1260–1235 BC)
• Ibiranu of Ugarit (1235–1220 BC)
• Ammurapi of Ugarit (1215–1185 BC)
• Aziru, ruler of Amurru (Amarna letters)
• Labaya, lord of Shechem (Amarna letters)
• Abdikheba, mayor of Jerusalem (Amarna letters)
• Šuwardata, mayor of Qiltu (Amarna letters)

Hebrew Bible and other historiography

• Canaan, son of Ham (Gen. 10:6)
• Sidon, firstborn son of Canaan (Gen. 10:15)
• Heth, son of Canaan (Gen. 10:15)
• Cronos (Ilus), founder of Byblos according to Sanchuniathon
• Mamre, an Amorite chieftain (Gen. 13:18)
• Makamaron, king of Canaan (Jubilees 46:6)
• Sihon, king of Amorites (Deut 1:4)
• Og, king of Bashan (Deut 1:4)
• Adonizedek, king of Jerusalem (Josh. 10:1)
• Debir, king of Eglon (Josh. 10:3)
• Jabin, name of two kings of Hazor (Josh. 11:1; Judges 5:6)

Rulers of Tyre

• Abibaal 990–978 BC
• Hiram I 978–944 BC
• Baal-Eser I (Balbazer I) 944–927 BC
• Abdastartus 927–918 BC
• Methusastartus 918–906 BC
• Astarymus 906–897 BC
• Phelles 897–896 BC
• Eshbaal I 896–863 BC
• Baal-Eser II (Balbazer II) 863–829 BC
• Mattan I 829–820 BC
• Pygmalion 820–774 BC
• Eshbaal II 750–739 BC
• Hiram II 739–730 BC
• Mattan II 730–729 BC
• Elulaios 729 694 BC
• Abd Melqart 694–680 BC
• Baal I 680–660 BC
• Tyre may have been under control of Assyria and/or Egypt for 70 years
• Eshbaal III 591–573 BC—Carthage became independent of Tyre in 574 BC
• Baal II 573–564 BC (under Babylonian overlords)
• Yakinbaal 564 BC
• Chelbes 564–563 BC
• Abbar 563–562 BC
• Mattan III and Ger Ashthari 562–556 BC
• Baal-Eser III 556–555 BC
• Mahar-Baal 555–551 BC
• Hiram III 551–532 BC
• Mattan III (under Persian Control)
• Boulomenus
• Abdemon c.420–411 BC

Canaan - Wikipedia

The Palestinians have been subject to multiple DNA studies so I don’t know what you are talking about. Either you believe it or you don’t. You don’t get to pick and choose just the bits you agree with.

 

[Sixties Fan]

That is a REGION called Palestine, where the Jewish Kingdoms flourished.

It was named after the Philistines and it denotes mainly the area of Gaza where the Philistines built their Empire.

It says so in the article:

Palestine in the ancient world was part of the region known as Canaan where the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah were located. The term `Palestine’ was originally a designation of an area of land in southern Canaan which the people known as the Philistines occupied a very small part of, the Canaanites, Canaanite-Phoenicians, and the Israelites, among others, having established themselves in the area much earlier. The Philistines are thought to have come to the area toward the end of the Bronze Age c. 1276 BCE and established themselves on the southern coastal plain of the Mediterranean Sea in an area afterwards known as Philistia.

Who was there before the Jewish kingdoms? As the article I linked to pointed out, they invaded an even earlier people.

You are following the Torah version of the Exodus and "invasion" by Aaron and those who left Egypt.

What if that did not happen?
What if indeed they were slaves in Egypt, but once Egypt began to crumble they managed to escape and returned to Canaan which was their original homeland?
What if they simply migrated and built communities as tribes are bound to do and and as it has been told, their (and other tribes) were conquered by the Philistines, as it did happen, until David happened to defeat Goliath, or whichever way the Philistines

That is a REGION called Palestine, where the Jewish Kingdoms flourished.

It was named after the Philistines and it denotes mainly the area of Gaza where the Philistines built their Empire.

It says so in the article:

Palestine in the ancient world was part of the region known as Canaan where the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah were located. The term `Palestine’ was originally a designation of an area of land in southern Canaan which the people known as the Philistines occupied a very small part of, the Canaanites, Canaanite-Phoenicians, and the Israelites, among others, having established themselves in the area much earlier. The Philistines are thought to have come to the area toward the end of the Bronze Age c. 1276 BCE and established themselves on the southern coastal plain of the Mediterranean Sea in an area afterwards known as Philistia.

Who was there before the Jewish kingdoms? As the article I linked to pointed out, they invaded an even earlier people.

But that is NOT what they say.

So, why in the world do you keep insisting on YOUR version of who they are?

Because I base “my” version on what historians and scientists say, not what YOU claim.

I believe that I have pointed out that your historians and scientists are nothing but crooks, who would never have come up with those "findings" if it hadn't been that Israel came to be.

I.....do not claim. History and conclusive DNA, does.

And what if they didn’t migrate but invaded? Interesting choices of words. Invaded for some...migrated for others. A bit of a bias showing?

So you suddenly find DNA acceptable? Really? Then I guess you will finally agree that the DNA shows Palestinians more closely related to Jews then to Arabs of the Arabian Peninsula.

That is the DNA test YOU want to believe in, not the ones the Palestinians will never put themselves through.

We are talking about over 3000 years ago. The Philistines, Egypt, Israel, etc.

You want to talk about invasion and migration for the Palestinians ?

in the 7th century CE the Kurdish Muslims invaded and defeated the Byzantine.
After that, the Arab Muslims invaded.
After that, whichever Muslims wanted to Migrate into any of the conquered areas, did so.

That goes for any part outside of Arabia, what is known now as the Middle East, North Africa, and Southern Spain.

One only has to look at the culture and language spoken in many of the modern countries to find out that everywhere the Muslim Kurds, and Moors invaded, the Arabs followed, migrated.

But not before Islam was founded.

No history of many Arabs in Canaan, no tribes, no nation, no history.

And if you have not noticed, Palestinians identify themselves as Arabs, not as Amorites, Canaanites, etc....

Here is a list of Canaanite Kings. For some reason, the Palestinians do NOT identify with any of them, or with any of the tribes which made up ancient Canaan:

And for some reason, most Palestinians will identify with a tribe which comes from Arabia, including Abbas, Arafat and all the Arab leaders and the tribes one finds in Gaza and in areas A and B, and even the Arabs living in Area C, or in Israel.
------

Names of Canaanite kings or other figures mentioned in historiography or known through archaeology:

Confirmed archaeologically

• Niqmaddu I of Ugarit (Known from a seal used by Ugaritan Kings)
• Yaqarum I of Ugarit (Known from a seal used by Ugaritan Kings)
• Ammittamru I of Ugarit (Amarna letters)
• Niqmaddu II of Ugarit (Amarna letters) (1349–1315 BC)
• Arhalba of Ugarit (1315–1313 BC)
• Niqmepa of Ugarit (1313–1260 BC)
• Ammittamru II of Ugarit (1260–1235 BC)
• Ibiranu of Ugarit (1235–1220 BC)
• Ammurapi of Ugarit (1215–1185 BC)
• Aziru, ruler of Amurru (Amarna letters)
• Labaya, lord of Shechem (Amarna letters)
• Abdikheba, mayor of Jerusalem (Amarna letters)
• Šuwardata, mayor of Qiltu (Amarna letters)

Hebrew Bible and other historiography

• Canaan, son of Ham (Gen. 10:6)
• Sidon, firstborn son of Canaan (Gen. 10:15)
• Heth, son of Canaan (Gen. 10:15)
• Cronos (Ilus), founder of Byblos according to Sanchuniathon
• Mamre, an Amorite chieftain (Gen. 13:18)
• Makamaron, king of Canaan (Jubilees 46:6)
• Sihon, king of Amorites (Deut 1:4)
• Og, king of Bashan (Deut 1:4)
• Adonizedek, king of Jerusalem (Josh. 10:1)
• Debir, king of Eglon (Josh. 10:3)
• Jabin, name of two kings of Hazor (Josh. 11:1; Judges 5:6)

Rulers of Tyre

• Abibaal 990–978 BC
• Hiram I 978–944 BC
• Baal-Eser I (Balbazer I) 944–927 BC
• Abdastartus 927–918 BC
• Methusastartus 918–906 BC
• Astarymus 906–897 BC
• Phelles 897–896 BC
• Eshbaal I 896–863 BC
• Baal-Eser II (Balbazer II) 863–829 BC
• Mattan I 829–820 BC
• Pygmalion 820–774 BC
• Eshbaal II 750–739 BC
• Hiram II 739–730 BC
• Mattan II 730–729 BC
• Elulaios 729 694 BC
• Abd Melqart 694–680 BC
• Baal I 680–660 BC
• Tyre may have been under control of Assyria and/or Egypt for 70 years
• Eshbaal III 591–573 BC—Carthage became independent of Tyre in 574 BC
• Baal II 573–564 BC (under Babylonian overlords)
• Yakinbaal 564 BC
• Chelbes 564–563 BC
• Abbar 563–562 BC
• Mattan III and Ger Ashthari 562–556 BC
• Baal-Eser III 556–555 BC
• Mahar-Baal 555–551 BC
• Hiram III 551–532 BC
• Mattan III (under Persian Control)
• Boulomenus
• Abdemon c.420–411 BC

Canaan - Wikipedia

The Palestinians have been subject to multiple DNA studies so I don’t know what you are talking about. Either you believe it or you don’t. You don’t get to pick and choose just the bits you agree with.

But , that is exactly what you have been doing.

And since your knowledge of the issue is usually nil......and you won't even comment on how come the Palestinians cannot identify with any of the Canaanite tribes, but have been able to identify with the ones from Arabia .........

 

[Shusha]

Because Palestine is a long standing historic term for the region.

So is Israel.

 

[Coyote]

Who was there before the Jewish kingdoms? As the article I linked to pointed out, they invaded an even earlier people.

You are following the Torah version of the Exodus and "invasion" by Aaron and those who left Egypt.

What if that did not happen?
What if indeed they were slaves in Egypt, but once Egypt began to crumble they managed to escape and returned to Canaan which was their original homeland?
What if they simply migrated and built communities as tribes are bound to do and and as it has been told, their (and other tribes) were conquered by the Philistines, as it did happen, until David happened to defeat Goliath, or whichever way the Philistines

Who was there before the Jewish kingdoms? As the article I linked to pointed out, they invaded an even earlier people.

Because I base “my” version on what historians and scientists say, not what YOU claim.

I believe that I have pointed out that your historians and scientists are nothing but crooks, who would never have come up with those "findings" if it hadn't been that Israel came to be.

I.....do not claim. History and conclusive DNA, does.

And what if they didn’t migrate but invaded? Interesting choices of words. Invaded for some...migrated for others. A bit of a bias showing?

So you suddenly find DNA acceptable? Really? Then I guess you will finally agree that the DNA shows Palestinians more closely related to Jews then to Arabs of the Arabian Peninsula.

That is the DNA test YOU want to believe in, not the ones the Palestinians will never put themselves through.

We are talking about over 3000 years ago. The Philistines, Egypt, Israel, etc.

You want to talk about invasion and migration for the Palestinians ?

in the 7th century CE the Kurdish Muslims invaded and defeated the Byzantine.
After that, the Arab Muslims invaded.
After that, whichever Muslims wanted to Migrate into any of the conquered areas, did so.

That goes for any part outside of Arabia, what is known now as the Middle East, North Africa, and Southern Spain.

One only has to look at the culture and language spoken in many of the modern countries to find out that everywhere the Muslim Kurds, and Moors invaded, the Arabs followed, migrated.

But not before Islam was founded.

No history of many Arabs in Canaan, no tribes, no nation, no history.

And if you have not noticed, Palestinians identify themselves as Arabs, not as Amorites, Canaanites, etc....

Here is a list of Canaanite Kings. For some reason, the Palestinians do NOT identify with any of them, or with any of the tribes which made up ancient Canaan:

And for some reason, most Palestinians will identify with a tribe which comes from Arabia, including Abbas, Arafat and all the Arab leaders and the tribes one finds in Gaza and in areas A and B, and even the Arabs living in Area C, or in Israel.
------

Names of Canaanite kings or other figures mentioned in historiography or known through archaeology:

Confirmed archaeologically

• Niqmaddu I of Ugarit (Known from a seal used by Ugaritan Kings)
• Yaqarum I of Ugarit (Known from a seal used by Ugaritan Kings)
• Ammittamru I of Ugarit (Amarna letters)
• Niqmaddu II of Ugarit (Amarna letters) (1349–1315 BC)
• Arhalba of Ugarit (1315–1313 BC)
• Niqmepa of Ugarit (1313–1260 BC)
• Ammittamru II of Ugarit (1260–1235 BC)
• Ibiranu of Ugarit (1235–1220 BC)
• Ammurapi of Ugarit (1215–1185 BC)
• Aziru, ruler of Amurru (Amarna letters)
• Labaya, lord of Shechem (Amarna letters)
• Abdikheba, mayor of Jerusalem (Amarna letters)
• Šuwardata, mayor of Qiltu (Amarna letters)

Hebrew Bible and other historiography

• Canaan, son of Ham (Gen. 10:6)
• Sidon, firstborn son of Canaan (Gen. 10:15)
• Heth, son of Canaan (Gen. 10:15)
• Cronos (Ilus), founder of Byblos according to Sanchuniathon
• Mamre, an Amorite chieftain (Gen. 13:18)
• Makamaron, king of Canaan (Jubilees 46:6)
• Sihon, king of Amorites (Deut 1:4)
• Og, king of Bashan (Deut 1:4)
• Adonizedek, king of Jerusalem (Josh. 10:1)
• Debir, king of Eglon (Josh. 10:3)
• Jabin, name of two kings of Hazor (Josh. 11:1; Judges 5:6)

Rulers of Tyre

• Abibaal 990–978 BC
• Hiram I 978–944 BC
• Baal-Eser I (Balbazer I) 944–927 BC
• Abdastartus 927–918 BC
• Methusastartus 918–906 BC
• Astarymus 906–897 BC
• Phelles 897–896 BC
• Eshbaal I 896–863 BC
• Baal-Eser II (Balbazer II) 863–829 BC
• Mattan I 829–820 BC
• Pygmalion 820–774 BC
• Eshbaal II 750–739 BC
• Hiram II 739–730 BC
• Mattan II 730–729 BC
• Elulaios 729 694 BC
• Abd Melqart 694–680 BC
• Baal I 680–660 BC
• Tyre may have been under control of Assyria and/or Egypt for 70 years
• Eshbaal III 591–573 BC—Carthage became independent of Tyre in 574 BC
• Baal II 573–564 BC (under Babylonian overlords)
• Yakinbaal 564 BC
• Chelbes 564–563 BC
• Abbar 563–562 BC
• Mattan III and Ger Ashthari 562–556 BC
• Baal-Eser III 556–555 BC
• Mahar-Baal 555–551 BC
• Hiram III 551–532 BC
• Mattan III (under Persian Control)
• Boulomenus
• Abdemon c.420–411 BC

Canaan - Wikipedia

The Palestinians have been subject to multiple DNA studies so I don’t know what you are talking about. Either you believe it or you don’t. You don’t get to pick and choose just the bits you agree with.

But , that is exactly what you have been doing.

Exactly how? What DNA studies am I picking bits from?

And since your knowledge of the issue is usually nil......and you won't even comment on how come the Palestinians cannot identify with any of the Canaanite tribes, but have been able to identify with the ones from Arabia .........

Since I find your knowledge to be little more than pro-Israeli propaganda you will have to excuse me for not taking what you say seriously. What genetic studies support your claim?