The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indiginous to Palestine?

[Shusha]

“Indigenous communities, peoples and nations are those which, having a historical continuity with pre-invasion and pre-colonial societies that developed on their territories, consider themselves distinct from other sectors of the societies now prevailing on those territories, or parts of them.

As I said, the Israelite's and the Arabs fit that definition.

No, the Arabs do not. They are NOT pre-invasion and pre-colonial societies that developed on the territory. They ARE the invading and colonizing societies. Their culture did not develop there -- but was brought from elsewhere by invading and colonizing societies. Modern Palestinian Arabs are descendants of the invading and colonizing cultures who adopted the invading, colonizing culture. That makes them not indigenous.

And again, I re-iterate my point that it does not matter with respect to ending the conflict and self-determination for both peoples.

 

[Shusha]

The idea that an invading, colonizing culture BECOMES indigenous by consuming, eliminating and replacing the local culture with their own culture is vile and opposes the very concept of indigeneity.

 

[watchingfromafar]

The idea that an invading, colonizing culture BECOMES indigenous by consuming, eliminating and replacing the local culture with their own culture is vile and opposes the very concept of indigeneity.

Find me an "ancient" map showing the Israelite kingdom and I will shine your shoes for a month.

No wait, my bad, I can see "Israel", the man; paddling across the Red Sea and soon thereafter he will be da indigenous one,.,.,.,, NO WAIT, he's paddling in the wrong way, hes headed for Ethiopia!!!!!!

 

[Shusha]

The idea that an invading, colonizing culture BECOMES indigenous by consuming, eliminating and replacing the local culture with their own culture is vile and opposes the very concept of indigeneity.

Find me an "ancient" map showing the Israelite kingdom and I will shine your shoes for a month.

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No wait, my bad, I can see "Israel", the man; paddling across the Red Sea and soon thereafter he will be da indigenous one,.,.,.,, NO WAIT, he's paddling in the wrong way, hes headed for Ethiopia!!!!!!

Blah, blah, blah. You can't address my actual points so you retreat to your bizarre argument that "maps" are the determining factor with respect to defining indigenous peoples. Weak. Also boring.

 

[Shusha]

Going back to the definition of "indigenous", let's look at what the Arabs would have to demonstrate in order to be shown to be indigenous to the particular territory between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea.

They would have to demonstrate that their specific culture (language, religion, legal system, traditions, style of dress, rituals, celebrations, holidays, etc) ORIGINATED in that territory PRIOR to the invasion or colonization of other cultures.

They would have to demonstrate that their specific culture did NOT pre-exist elsewhere, but developed on that specific territory.

They would have to demonstrate that they are DISTINCT from other cultures in the region.

 

[watchingfromafar]

You can't address my actual points so you retreat to your bizarre argument that "maps" are the determining factor with respect to defining indigenous peoples. Weak. Also boring.

Oh poor baby mama can't find da map for you--?

 

[watchingfromafar]

They would have to demonstrate that their specific culture (language, religion, legal system, traditions, style of dress, rituals, celebrations, holidays, etc) ORIGINATED in that territory PRIOR to the invasion or colonization of other cultures.

Oh wise one, how many people (%%) prior to your fake invasion spoke Hebrew and Arabic-?

I await your answer.

 

[watchingfromafar]

Geography of Ancient Egypt

Someone needs to write a letter complaining that they left out Judia!!!!!!
(note: they must be anti-semites!!!)

 

[Shusha]

You can't address my actual points so you retreat to your bizarre argument that "maps" are the determining factor with respect to defining indigenous peoples. Weak. Also boring.

Oh poor baby mama can't find da map for you--?

Oh wow. So you are doubling down on the idea that no map = no people? Sad.

 

[Shusha]

They would have to demonstrate that their specific culture (language, religion, legal system, traditions, style of dress, rituals, celebrations, holidays, etc) ORIGINATED in that territory PRIOR to the invasion or colonization of other cultures.

Oh wise one, how many people (%%) prior to your fake invasion spoke Hebrew and Arabic-?

I await your answer.

100% of people whose culture originated in that place spoke the language of that place and practiced the culture of that place. 100%. Any losses because of the invading and colonizing cultures are losses BECAUSE of invasion and colonization. Consuming, eliminating, destroying and replacing a local, indigenous culture does not make the invading culture indigenous.

 

[watchingfromafar]

Shusha, please forgive me for my rude and crude posts.

I’m gone to other places

Wish you and yours a great day and beyond

 

[theliq]

Not if you use a proper definition of "indigenous".

Oh Wise One, post the "proper" definition of "indigenous".
Thanks in advance -

“Indigenous communities, peoples and nations are those which, having a historical continuity with pre-invasion and pre-colonial societies that developed on their territories, consider themselves distinct from other sectors of the societies now prevailing on those territories, or parts of them. They form at present non-dominant sectors of society and are determined to preserve, develop and transmit to future generations their ancestral territories, and their ethnic identity, as the basis of their continued existence as peoples, in accordance with their own cultural patterns, social institutions and legal system.

“This historical continuity may consist of the continuation, for an extended period reaching into the present of one or more of the following factors:

a) Occupation of ancestral lands, or at least of part of them;

b) Common ancestry with the original occupants of these lands;

c) Culture in general, or in specific manifestations (such as religion, living under a tribal system, membership of an indigenous community, dress, means of livelihood, lifestyle, etc.);

d) Language (whether used as the only language, as mother-tongue, as the habitual means of communication at home or in the family, or as the main, preferred, habitual, general or normal language);

e) Residence on certain parts of the country, or in certain regions of the world;

f) Other relevant factors.

“On an individual basis, an indigenous person is one who belongs to these indigenous populations through self-identification as indigenous (group consciousness) and is recognized and accepted by these populations as one of its members (acceptance by the group).

“This preserves for these communities the sovereign right and power to decide who belongs to them, without external interference"

Trouble with your summation is that the Israelites were not the original indigenous people at all but invaders to this land,which disqualifies your claim,moreover you fled this land(hence the term :Wandering Jew") You may have resided here but you will find your cousins the Semitic Palestinians have more right to this Land...Because most Jews today are converts to Judaism and can never be Semitic because unlike the Palestinians you have no direct lineage to Abraham and I'm sorry Schusa they are the truth and rights of the matter...I'm theliq,Ever Living,Ever Truthful,Ever Fair...steve S., you can wrap it any way you want,but you can never be Semitic...You can be a Zionists,but as much as this Terrorist Cult try to say they are Semitic,this is but another lie...ask the Ultra's they will tell you what you are

 

[theliq]

They would have to demonstrate that their specific culture (language, religion, legal system, traditions, style of dress, rituals, celebrations, holidays, etc) ORIGINATED in that territory PRIOR to the invasion or colonization of other cultures.

Oh wise one, how many people (%%) prior to your fake invasion spoke Hebrew and Arabic-?

I await your answer.

100% of people whose culture originated in that place spoke the language of that place and practiced the culture of that place. 100%. Any losses because of the invading and colonizing cultures are losses BECAUSE of invasion and colonization. Consuming, eliminating, destroying and replacing a local, indigenous culture does not make the invading culture indigenous.

You have agreed with me and totally contradicted your original prose st

 

[RoccoR]

RE: The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indiginous to Palestine?
※→ Shusha, et al,

The term "indigenous," (as in the"indigenous" population) does not have a true and universally accepted recognized definition. Nearly all regions of the world are in constant "transformation." And that is the term most people are actually suppose to use.

The idea that an invading, colonizing culture BECOMES indigenous by consuming, eliminating and replacing the local culture with their own culture is vile and opposes the very concept of indigeneity.

(COMMENT)

For instance: Here in the United States we think of the American Indian as the indigenous population. But is that really true? Or were the Anasazi, the more ancient Native Americans, the real indigenous population?

The White Explores thought the American Indians were the original Native Americans; and the Indigenous population.

The term indigenous population is a niece generalized term, but it is a rather foolish term to use when trying to make a claim.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Sixties Fan]

RE: The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indiginous to Palestine?
※→ Shusha, et al,

The term "indigenous," (as in the"indigenous" population) does not have a true and universally accepted recognized definition. Nearly all regions of the world are in constant "transformation." And that is the term most people are actually suppose to use.

The idea that an invading, colonizing culture BECOMES indigenous by consuming, eliminating and replacing the local culture with their own culture is vile and opposes the very concept of indigeneity.

(COMMENT)

For instance: Here in the United States we think of the American Indian as the indigenous population. But is that really true? Or were the Anasazi, the more ancient Native Americans, the real indigenous population?

The White Explores thought the American Indians were the original Native Americans; and the Indigenous population.

The term indigenous population is a niece generalized term, but it is a rather foolish term to use when trying to make a claim.

Most Respectfully,
R

When the Arabs make claim that they have been on the Land of Israel, Ancient Canaan, for at least 10,000 years, in order to make claim to the land over the Jewish people, the world Indigenous does have a meaning.

It does not mean that , because the Arabs created a religion where they are to despise the Jews as inferior to them, that they can make claim to the whole land as being indigenous to the land over the Jewish people who do have a history on it well documented even in Islam.

It has been very clear that the Arab's use of the word indigenous for themselves has been with the intention of taking away from the Jews any sovereignty they have legally earned in the past century .

The Arabs have been going as far as spreading the idea that there is no Jewish History on the land, only a Muslim one.

As long as the Muslims continue to deny any Jewish history or connection to their ancient homeland, the word indigenous must continue to define those who were there long before the Arab/Muslim invasion occurred.

They are doing this to the Jews, now, they could be doing it to another people, next.

 

[Shusha]

Trouble with your summation is that the Israelites were not the original indigenous people at all but invaders to this land

Really? They invaded from where? In what place did the unique and clearly definable Jewish culture arise?

 

[Shusha]

The term indigenous population is a niece generalized term, but it is a rather foolish term to use when trying to make a claim.

Not so. The term is easily understood and readily definable. It is easily applied all over the world to various groups and peoples and cultures. Only when it comes to Jews does it suddenly have no meaning or mean something else entirely.

 

[theliq]

Trouble with your summation is that the Israelites were not the original indigenous people at all but invaders to this land

Really? They invaded from where? In what place did the unique and clearly definable Jewish culture arise?

Read your history and you will elevate your understanding SIAM

 

[theliq]

RE: The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indiginous to Palestine?
※→ Shusha, et al,

The term "indigenous," (as in the"indigenous" population) does not have a true and universally accepted recognized definition. Nearly all regions of the world are in constant "transformation." And that is the term most people are actually suppose to use.

The idea that an invading, colonizing culture BECOMES indigenous by consuming, eliminating and replacing the local culture with their own culture is vile and opposes the very concept of indigeneity.

(COMMENT)

For instance: Here in the United States we think of the American Indian as the indigenous population. But is that really true? Or were the Anasazi, the more ancient Native Americans, the real indigenous population?

The White Explores thought the American Indians were the original Native Americans; and the Indigenous population.

The term indigenous population is a niece generalized term, but it is a rather foolish term to use when trying to make a claim.

Most Respectfully,
R

When the Arabs make claim that they have been on the Land of Israel, Ancient Canaan, for at least 10,000 years, in order to make claim to the land over the Jewish people, the world Indigenous does have a meaning.

It does not mean that , because the Arabs created a religion where they are to despise the Jews as inferior to them, that they can make claim to the whole land as being indigenous to the land over the Jewish people who do have a history on it well documented even in Islam.

It has been very clear that the Arab's use of the word indigenous for themselves has been with the intention of taking away from the Jews any sovereignty they have legally earned in the past century .

The Arabs have been going as far as spreading the idea that there is no Jewish History on the land, only a Muslim one.

As long as the Muslims continue to deny any Jewish history or connection to their ancient homeland, the word indigenous must continue to define those who were there long before the Arab/Muslim invasion occurred.

They are doing this to the Jews, now, they could be doing it to another people, next.

Sorry to correct you 60's but the Palestinians never despised the Jews at all,they lived in harmony on the whole...Up until the shambles of 1948 and it is the Zionists who did the Despising then & since,you people must not muddy the waters and speak the truth if that is possible,which would be desirable to move forward...SIAM

 

[Shusha]

Trouble with your summation is that the Israelites were not the original indigenous people at all but invaders to this land

Really? They invaded from where? In what place did the unique and clearly definable Jewish culture arise?

Read you history and you will elevate your understanding SIAM

Pretty sure I can run circles around you with respect to actual history.