The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indiginous to Palestine?

[Sixties Fan]

An obvious, yet rarely considered example of indigenous people by any definition, is the Jewish People, whose history, traditions, and religious and national character have been and continue to be acknowledged

Biblical-ly speaking, the "Bible" clearly states that the Jews were shepherds who did not have a "homeland" of their own.
Having said that I checked your own web link and this is what it said~~~~~~~~

– Arab and Palestinian leaders are attempting to establish a mythical, new narrative according to which the “Palestinian People” have existed as a distinct people indigenous to the area for thousands of years, predating the Jewish People.

The article acknowledges the existence of the Palestinian people and even states that the Palestinians predates the Jewish people.

The Truth Will Set You Free -

Pay attention:

"ARE ATTEMPTING to establish a mythical NEW narrative....."

Read well, and understand well what you read.

The truth, as the article put it, is that the Jews are the Indigenous people of the Land, and the Arab Palestinians are invaders from the 7th century trying to wipe out any and ALL history of the Jews on their own ancient homeland and pass their "Palestinian" narrative as a very ancient one, instead of one invented in the year 1964 CE.

You like to understand ONLY what you like to understand, and nothing more.

 

[watchingfromafar]

Jewish peoplehood and its evident linkage to its ancestral homeland predates other religions and reaches back to antiquity.

The Jews had "no" homeland and yes, there was a land called "Palestina~~

Judea or Judæa
Judea - Wikipedia

Palestine is a geographic region in Western Asia usually considered to include Israel, the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, and in some definitions, some parts of western Jordan.
Palestine (region) - Wikipedia

The Jews of old were shepherds who were not leaders of a nation or a country, they were wanderers of the open lands

(Gen 42:25 KJV) Then Joseph commanded to fill their sacks with corn, and to restore every man's money into his sack, and to give them provision for the way:

(Gen 45:20 KJV) Also regard not your stuff; for the good of all the land of Egypt is yours.

(Gen 45:21 KJV) And the children of Israel did so: and Joseph gave them wagons, according to the commandment of Pharaoh, and gave them provision for the way.

(Gen 47:1 KJV) Then Joseph came and told Pharaoh, and said, My father [ISRAEL] and my brethren, and their flocks, and their herds, and all that they have, are come out of the land of Canaan; and, behold, they are in the land of Goshen.


(Gen 47:3 KJV) And Pharaoh said unto his brethren, What is your occupation? And they said unto Pharaoh, Thy servants are shepherds, both we, and also our fathers.

Thy servants are shepherds, both we, and also our fathers.​

End of the myth; let the truth be told -

 

[watchingfromafar]

You like to understand ONLY what you like to understand, and nothing more.

I was going to say that every same thing to you but you beat me to it so I will just flip the coin and head it your way instead.

Having said that Oh Wise One, You like to understand ONLY what you like to understand, and nothing more.
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[Sixties Fan]

You like to understand ONLY what you like to understand, and nothing more.

I was going to say that every same thing to you but you beat me to it so I will just flip the coin and head it your way instead.

Having said that Oh Wise One, You like to understand ONLY what you like to understand, and nothing more.
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And still.....my indigenous people of the land will continue to hang on to the 20% of our original Homeland regardless of what Jew haters like you like to spread.

We do understand that Jew haters like you like to keep Jews as dhimmis in order to do with them what you like. No more.

Flip the coin all you like, you are a nobody attempting to help steal our land and our freedom.

To you and others, the only good Jews are the ones who say "Yes, Sir, No, Sir" "Whatever you say, Sir" , keep us as second hand citizens and do with us whatever you think you should do.

Sorry, Jew hater.....NO MORE.

 

[watchingfromafar]

Sorry, Jew hater.....NO MORE.

I am Jewish myself and you my friend is not invited into my house.

Sorry, such is life -

 

[Sixties Fan]

Sorry, Jew hater.....NO MORE.

I am Jewish myself and you my friend is not invited into my house.

Sorry, such is life -

You were not born Jewish. Even a converted one.

You are a thief of land and of identity.

I do not care to know what else you go around stealing.

 

[Shusha]

The Jews had "no" homeland and yes, there was a land called "Palestina~~

You make no actual sense. You claim the Jews had no homeland and then post a wiki about Judea. Which was (and IS) the homeland for the Jewish people.

 

[watchingfromafar]

Which was (and IS) the homeland for the Jewish people.

Spin is which every way you want. The Jews abandoned wherever they came from and moved to Egypt and there they stayed until the day of Exodus.
Promised Land

“Moses went up Mount Nebo to the top of Pisgah, looked over the promised land of Israel spread out before him, and died, at the age of one hundred and twenty, according to Talmudic legend on 7 Adar, his 120th birthday exactly.

Moab is the historical name for a mountainous strip of land in modern-day Jordan running along the eastern shore of the Dead Sea. In ancient times, it was home to the kingdom of the Moabites, a people often in conflict with their Israelite neighbors to the west.

The Moabites were a historical people, whose existence is attested to by numerous archeological findings, most notably the Mesha Stele, which describes the Moabite victory over an unnamed son of King Omri of Israel. Their capital was Dibon, located next to the modern Jordanian town of Dhiban.”

Moab - New World Encyclopedia

You must first remember that it was a "promise", a promise that would be fulfilled "IF" they follow his commandments and not one day before.

Shusha, prove to me that they are now obeying the Lord's instructions and once done I will change my tune and embrace them.

But not until then -

 

[Shusha]

Shusha, prove to me that they are now obeying the Lord's instructions and once done I will change my tune and embrace them.

So your point is indigeniety is determined by who is following G-d's instructions, and only those following G-d's instructions are indigenous peoples? That's kinda wacky.

 

[Shusha]

Wait. Does that mean First Nations peoples of the Americas are not indigenous because they were/are pagan?

And wait, are the Japanese not indigenous to Japan because they don't follow the "right" G-d?

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

RE: The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indiginous to Palestine?
※→ theliq, et al,

I must be misunderstanding the conversation here.

Hebron - The Land of the Hebrews (Daled Amos) ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

Still being Silly Sixties...Your notourious Lies,Hebron was never the land of the Jews or todays CONVERTS TO JUDIASM...AKA the mongrel race AKA ZIONISTS

Lovely though Sixties to see you around...I trust you and yours are well...steven

(COMMENT)

That entire landscape changed hands many, many times.

BUT! I believe that Solomon's Kindom (≈ 3000 years ago) Hebron was under his domain.

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Of course, it is possible I could be wrong. But I don't believe anything prior to 1948 makes any difference in how we deal with the contemporary Middle East.

Most Respectfully,
R

Israel Is Our Shield, and It's Made Out of the Strongest Metal on Earth

The Balfour Declaration of 1917 was motivated by the need to have a decoy and blocking force against the inevitable 20th Century jihad. Whatever you are told by superficial pundits, the civilized world's real interest in Israel has everything to do with the perpetually recurring war between advanced civilization and Islamic savages. The enemies of the evolved races jealously want to destroy us and bring the world back to the Stone Age those creatures from No Man's Lands belong in.

 

[theliq]

The rights of the Jewish Nation/People on their ancient homeland must be respected, like any other indigenous people on their homelands.

You can fool some of the people some of the time but you cannot fool all the people all the time. The truth will get out even if you lock it in a steel safe and drop to to the bottom of the sea; it will float to the top for all to see-----

Promised Land

“Moses went up Mount Nebo to the top of Pisgah, looked over the promised land of Israel spread out before him, and died, at the age of one hundred and twenty, according to Talmudic legend on 7 Adar, his 120th birthday exactly.

Moab is the historical name for a mountainous strip of land in modern-day Jordan running along the eastern shore of the Dead Sea. In ancient times, it was home to the kingdom of the Moabites, a people often in conflict with their Israelite neighbors to the west.

The Moabites were a historical people, whose existence is attested to by numerous archeological findings, most notably the Mesha Stele, which describes the Moabite victory over an unnamed son of King Omri of Israel. Their capital was Dibon, located next to the modern Jordanian town of Dhiban.”

Moab - New World Encyclopedia

From there they moved to Egypt

(Gen 42:25 KJV) Then Joseph commanded to fill their sacks with corn, and to restore every man's money into his sack, and to give them provision for the way:

(Gen 45:20 KJV) Also regard not your stuff; for the good of all the land of Egypt is yours.

(Gen 45:21 KJV) And the children of Israel did so: and Joseph gave them wagons, according to the commandment of Pharaoh, and gave them provision for the way.

(Gen 47:1 KJV) Then Joseph came and told Pharaoh, and said, My father [ISRAEL] and my brethren, and their flocks, and their herds, and all that they have, are come out of the land of Canaan; and, behold, they are in the land of Goshen.

(Gen 47:3 KJV) And Pharaoh said unto his brethren, What is your occupation? And they said unto Pharaoh, Thy servants are shepherds, both we, and also our fathers.

Based on the above the “Promised Land” is not the land the Jews are occupying today. In biblical verse terms the Jews were nomads who were wanderers living off of the land grazing their sheep on the open plains.

The Truth Will Set you Free ~~~~~~~~~~~

Your hatred for Jews makes you see whatever you wish to see, interpret things whichever way you wish to interpret them.

This hatred tells you that Jews do not have any rights, much less any rights to their ancestral homeland, which is the Land of Israel.

Continue to follow your poison. The only one being poisoned is yourself.

NO,HE SPEAKS THE COMPLETE TRUTH...THERE IS NO POISON IN HIS RESPONSE...JUST ACTUAL FACT...

YOUR SUMMATION IS BASED ON THE USUAL DEFENSE STRATEGY OF THE FILTH OF ZIONIST TERRORISM,THE IDF ARE COWARDS AND MOST ARE MISFITS...THE REAL TERM FOR THESE CHILD DEATHS.... IS MURDER...

STOP CALLING OUT PEOPLE AS JEW HATERS,WHEN CLEARLY THE WRITER WAS NOT BEING HATEFUL AT ALL,JUST FACTUAL.

NOTE.HE MERELY STATED THE DISGUSTING APPAULLING TRUTH OF THE IDF/ZIONIST INSPIRED MURDERS and the Tribalism and Nomadism of the Israelites,who were interlopers and banal where ever they wandered.steve As "Watching" stated...The Truth WILL set you Free

 

[theliq]

RE: The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indiginous to Palestine?
※→ theliq, et al,

I must be misunderstanding the conversation here.

Hebron - The Land of the Hebrews (Daled Amos) ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

Still being Silly Sixties...Your notourious Lies,Hebron was never the land of the Jews or todays CONVERTS TO JUDIASM...AKA the mongrel race AKA ZIONISTS

Lovely though Sixties to see you around...I trust you and yours are well...steven

(COMMENT)

That entire landscape changed hands many, many times.

BUT! I believe that Solomon's Kindom (≈ 3000 years ago) Hebron was under his domain.

View attachment 221618 View attachment 221620
​

Of course, it is possible I could be wrong. But I don't believe anything prior to 1948 makes any difference in how we deal with the contemporary Middle East.

Most Respectfully,
R

Israel Is Our Shield, and It's Made Out of the Strongest Metal on Earth

The Balfour Declaration of 1917 was motivated by the need to have a decoy and blocking force against the inevitable 20th Century jihad. Whatever you are told by superficial pundits, the civilized world's real interest in Israel has everything to do with the perpetually recurring war between advanced civilization and Islamic savages. The enemies of the evolved races jealously want to destroy us and bring the world back to the Stone Age those creatures from No Man's Lands belong in.

I thought I couldn't see such a depraved or ridiculous statement than this...There is something completely abnormal about the writer and his RAVINGS of total lies and stupidity..better suited to the aslylam than on this site of possible normality.

I will stop here because I will be banned for life,suffice to say the Mods(all very nice people) have me Under Very Heavy Manners(to try to control my natural residivism of breaches of the rules??cricky I have only chalked up 70 odd infractions!!!!!!!!!(shocking really) but that is why I must moderate my normal or abnormal zealousness... Great being Australian,folk like the nice mods make allowances for us well me actually,poor theliq he's aussie...such under estimation because we are quite a smart group of folk...steve just sayin

 

[watchingfromafar]

So your point is indigeniety is determined by who is following G-d's instructions, and only those following G-d's instructions are indigenous peoples? That's kinda wacky.

No, you missed the point but it doesn't matter. Arabs and the Israelite's are "both" indigenous to the region.

 

[Shusha]

So your point is indigeniety is determined by who is following G-d's instructions, and only those following G-d's instructions are indigenous peoples? That's kinda wacky.

No, you missed the point but it doesn't matter. Arabs and the Israelite's are "both" indigenous to the region.

Not if you use a proper definition of "indigenous".

 

[watchingfromafar]

Not if you use a proper definition of "indigenous".

Oh Wise One, post the "proper" definition of "indigenous".
Thanks in advance -

 

[Shusha]

Not if you use a proper definition of "indigenous".

Oh Wise One, post the "proper" definition of "indigenous".
Thanks in advance -

“Indigenous communities, peoples and nations are those which, having a historical continuity with pre-invasion and pre-colonial societies that developed on their territories, consider themselves distinct from other sectors of the societies now prevailing on those territories, or parts of them. They form at present non-dominant sectors of society and are determined to preserve, develop and transmit to future generations their ancestral territories, and their ethnic identity, as the basis of their continued existence as peoples, in accordance with their own cultural patterns, social institutions and legal system.

“This historical continuity may consist of the continuation, for an extended period reaching into the present of one or more of the following factors:

a) Occupation of ancestral lands, or at least of part of them;

b) Common ancestry with the original occupants of these lands;

c) Culture in general, or in specific manifestations (such as religion, living under a tribal system, membership of an indigenous community, dress, means of livelihood, lifestyle, etc.);

d) Language (whether used as the only language, as mother-tongue, as the habitual means of communication at home or in the family, or as the main, preferred, habitual, general or normal language);

e) Residence on certain parts of the country, or in certain regions of the world;

f) Other relevant factors.

“On an individual basis, an indigenous person is one who belongs to these indigenous populations through self-identification as indigenous (group consciousness) and is recognized and accepted by these populations as one of its members (acceptance by the group).

“This preserves for these communities the sovereign right and power to decide who belongs to them, without external interference"

 

[watchingfromafar]

“Indigenous communities, peoples and nations are those which, having a historical continuity with pre-invasion and pre-colonial societies that developed on their territories, consider themselves distinct from other sectors of the societies now prevailing on those territories, or parts of them.

As I said, the Israelite's and the Arabs fit that definition.

 

[watchingfromafar]

Definition of indigenous

1: produced, growing, living, or occurring naturally in a particular region or environment indigenous plantsthe indigenous culture
Definition of INDIGENOUS

As I said, the Israelite's and the Arabs fit that definition.

 

[watchingfromafar]

According to the above poll-
Who are the indiginous people(s) of the Palestine region?

The majority vote: People of various religions, who's ancestors have lived there for hundreds of years