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The Jewish people had no original "home".
Sure. Jews just cropped up like daisies all over the world. Miraculous.
The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indiginous to Palestine?
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The Jewish people had no original "home".
Sure. Jews just cropped up like daisies all over the world. Miraculous.
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Well, they did not originate in what is called Israel today.
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You have GOT to be kidding me.
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RE: The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indiginous to Palestine?
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I must be misunderstanding the conversation here.
That entire landscape changed hands many, many times.
BUT! I believe that Solomon's Kindom (≈ 3000 years ago) Hebron was under his domain.
Of course, it is possible I could be wrong. But I don't believe anything prior to 1948 makes any difference in how we deal with the contemporary Middle East.
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I must be misunderstanding the conversation here.
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That entire landscape changed hands many, many times.
BUT! I believe that Solomon's Kindom (≈ 3000 years ago) Hebron was under his domain.
Of course, it is possible I could be wrong. But I don't believe anything prior to 1948 makes any difference in how we deal with the contemporary Middle East.
Most Respectfully,
R
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Here is a history of Hebron
The Ancient City of Hebron - TheTorah.com
This thread is about who is indigenous to the area.
Anti-Israel/Jewish groups, incited by the Arabs, want others to believe that there never was an Israel or a Jewish people living on the land so that they claim all of it as theirs and put an end to Israel.
THAT is why this is important in the today's history.
The rights of the Jewish Nation/People on their ancient homeland must be respected, like any other indigenous people on their homelands.
No other indigenous people is having their indigenous identity and rights questioned, anywhere in the world.
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Of course they did.
Jews originate from Yehuda bar Yaakov and Bat Shua the Canaanite,
while Arabs originate from a North - African maidservant.
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When a righteous convert marries a Jew and lives in the community, after 3-5 generations their descendants certainly become an indistinguishable part of the family.
No descendants of a convert can remain a part of the tribe but through intermarriage within the tribe and separation from the nations.
They become indistinguishable from the core of the family, and if the indigenous tribe accepts them there's no distinction.
Simple math and common sense.
And frankly You have no say in this whatsoever, our tribe - our rules.
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Shame you never explained this to me years ago Rylah but what I cannot understand is why European decended Jews, despise those from say Morrocco and other places,I have been to Israel-Palestine several times and have noted often, that the attitude and friendship between some Jews is much healthier with Palestinians and the respect for them...than with other Jews not from the European background...steve
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You've chosen the wrong person to answer this question.
In my family we have relatives who's parents immigrated from virtually every corner of the globe.
But in short every immigrant society has its socio-economic hardships, that cannot be summed up by merely such broad brushing statements.
If anything I think Israel has been one of the most inclusive societies in the history of the world, all in spite of the unique situation of a young state who's society was severely traumatized in the countries of the diaspora.
In fact it were the Jews who came from Europe who raised the issue of social-economic gap and attempted to solve it. And it were primarily Jews from the European diaspora who promoted all of the peace initiatives with Arabs, while Jews who immigrated from Muslim countries most openly and unapologetically express their distrust in such notions, for natural reasons. As well as it was a Jew from the European diaspora, Menachem Begin, who was the symbol of unity between the different diaspora communities who gathered in Israel:
I suggest You visit again, listen to the radio and check who're our most successful singers, look at the covers of the prayer books in several synagogues, visit some weddings and report back.
Opposite to common misconception - Israel is predominantly a middle eastern society with its own unique identity, neither European nor Arab, rather simply Israeli.
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You can fool some of the people some of the time but you cannot fool all the people all the time. The truth will get out even if you lock it in a steel safe and drop to to the bottom of the sea; it will float to the top for all to see-----
Promised Land
“Moses went up Mount Nebo to the top of Pisgah, looked over the promised land of Israel spread out before him, and died, at the age of one hundred and twenty, according to Talmudic legend on 7 Adar, his 120th birthday exactly.
Moab is the historical name for a mountainous strip of land in modern-day Jordan running along the eastern shore of the Dead Sea. In ancient times, it was home to the kingdom of the Moabites, a people often in conflict with their Israelite neighbors to the west.
The Moabites were a historical people, whose existence is attested to by numerous archeological findings, most notably the Mesha Stele, which describes the Moabite victory over an unnamed son of King Omri of Israel. Their capital was Dibon, located next to the modern Jordanian town of Dhiban.”
Moab - New World Encyclopedia
From there they moved to Egypt
(Gen 42:25 KJV) Then Joseph commanded to fill their sacks with corn, and to restore every man's money into his sack, and to give them provision for the way:
(Gen 45:20 KJV) Also regard not your stuff; for the good of all the land of Egypt is yours.
(Gen 45:21 KJV) And the children of Israel did so: and Joseph gave them wagons, according to the commandment of Pharaoh, and gave them provision for the way.
(Gen 47:1 KJV) Then Joseph came and told Pharaoh, and said, My father [ISRAEL] and my brethren, and their flocks, and their herds, and all that they have, are come out of the land of Canaan; and, behold, they are in the land of Goshen.
(Gen 47:3 KJV) And Pharaoh said unto his brethren, What is your occupation? And they said unto Pharaoh, Thy servants are shepherds, both we, and also our fathers.
Based on the above the “Promised Land” is not the land the Jews are occupying today. In biblical verse terms the Jews were nomads who were wanderers living off of the land grazing their sheep on the open plains.
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Your hatred for Jews makes you see whatever you wish to see, interpret things whichever way you wish to interpret them.
This hatred tells you that Jews do not have any rights, much less any rights to their ancestral homeland, which is the Land of Israel.
Continue to follow your poison. The only one being poisoned is yourself.
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An obvious, yet rarely considered example of indigenous people by any definition, is the Jewish People, whose history, traditions, and religious and national character have been and continue to be acknowledged by all, whether through the study of the Bible or of the history of civilization.
Like the North American “First Nations,” the early Chinese Han people, and other Asian tribes and peoples, the Jewish People for more than two millennia has consistently maintained the strongest claim to be the aboriginal people in its ancestral homeland despite the fact that as a result of exiles, repression, forced diasporas, Inquisition, and the Holocaust, Jews were but a small percentage of the inhabitants there.
The existence and roots of the Jewish People are widely documented, acknowledged, and recognized. This is evident both in the context of their historic location and settlement in their original tribal areas in the “Holy Land,” including the areas of Judea (origin of the term Jew) and Samaria, and also in the context of their presence in various Jewish dispersions and diasporas caused by periods of exile, persecution, and attempts to obliterate their character as a people (even up to present day).
Jewish peoplehood and its evident linkage to its ancestral homeland predates other religions and reaches back to antiquity.
(full article online)
Jews – The Indigenous People of Jerusalem and The Land of Israel | One Jerusalem
Like the North American “First Nations,” the early Chinese Han people, and other Asian tribes and peoples, the Jewish People for more than two millennia has consistently maintained the strongest claim to be the aboriginal people in its ancestral homeland despite the fact that as a result of exiles, repression, forced diasporas, Inquisition, and the Holocaust, Jews were but a small percentage of the inhabitants there.
The existence and roots of the Jewish People are widely documented, acknowledged, and recognized. This is evident both in the context of their historic location and settlement in their original tribal areas in the “Holy Land,” including the areas of Judea (origin of the term Jew) and Samaria, and also in the context of their presence in various Jewish dispersions and diasporas caused by periods of exile, persecution, and attempts to obliterate their character as a people (even up to present day).
Jewish peoplehood and its evident linkage to its ancestral homeland predates other religions and reaches back to antiquity.
(full article online)
Jews – The Indigenous People of Jerusalem and The Land of Israel | One Jerusalem
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Biblical-ly speaking, the "Bible" clearly states that the Jews were shepherds who did not have a "homeland" of their own.
Having said that I checked your own web link and this is what it said~~~~~~~~
– Arab and Palestinian leaders are attempting to establish a mythical, new narrative according to which the “Palestinian People” have existed as a distinct people indigenous to the area for thousands of years, predating the Jewish People.
The article acknowledges the existence of the Palestinian people and even states that the Palestinians predates the Jewish people.
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