The NRA is still in the fight for our Rights against Black Face wearing Governor....

[August West]

As more Americans owned and carried guns over the last 26 years our gun murder rate went down 49%, fact. Our gun crime rate went down 75%, fact. Our violent crime rate went down 72%, fact.

Horseshit.

Guns in the United States — Firearms, gun law and gun control

Gun homicides went from 9800 in 9257 in 1998 to 14,542 in 2017. That's a 50% INCREASE.

Moron....you have seen the PEW research.....from the 1990s to today, 26 years, as more americans own and carry guns, our gun murder rate went down 49%......our gun crime rate went down 75% and our violent crime rate went down 72%.

You don't know what you are talking about.....

Over the last 26 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Violent crime is down globally and it`s not because the nuts in this country that owned a dozen guns bought a dozen more.
Why violent crime is plummeting in the rich world

 

[2aguy]

And he is lying.....you know he is lying when he says the way they know is that there is no way for people in Mexico to buy them.....which is a joke considering criminals easily get guns even in Britain.......

Britain only has about 50 gun murders a year compared to our 14,500.

It's not that easy to get a gun.

Come on, guy, apply a little logic. If you can drive north and buy any fucking gun you want and then drive south and sell it at a profit, there's the path of least resistance.

Or do you think it's a co-incidence that fireworks are illegal in IL, but there are all these fireworks stores in Wisconsin and Indiana right on the border?

Moron....Britain had a low gun murder rate before they banned guns...

they banned guns....

Gun murder rate did not change other than to spike for 10 years before returning to same level...

That means, according to science, that gun ownership did not cause gun murder.....

 

[danielpalos]

But the big innocent a couple of weeks ago at the Washington Hilton where a group of tourists were beat, stomped and spat upon by a group of young thugs tells me that being armed in America's dangerous cities isn't just a good idea, its virtually mandatory if you want to avoid being a victim.

If guns prevented crime, we'd have the lowest crime rates in the industrial world, not the highest.

As more Americans owned and carried guns over the last 26 years our gun murder rate went down 49%, fact. Our gun crime rate went down 75%, fact. Our violent crime rate went down 72%, fact.

Your theory is that more guns = more gun crime....those facts show the opposite, more guns did not equal more gun crime....in science, when a theory produces the exact opposite outcome, that theory is known to be wrong....

You are wrong.

We have a Second Amendment and should have no security problems in our free States. Don't grab guns. Grab gun lovers and regulate them well!

 

[2aguy]

As more Americans owned and carried guns over the last 26 years our gun murder rate went down 49%, fact. Our gun crime rate went down 75%, fact. Our violent crime rate went down 72%, fact.

Horseshit.

Guns in the United States — Firearms, gun law and gun control

Gun homicides went from 9800 in 9257 in 1998 to 14,542 in 2017. That's a 50% INCREASE.

Moron....you have seen the PEW research.....from the 1990s to today, 26 years, as more americans own and carry guns, our gun murder rate went down 49%......our gun crime rate went down 75% and our violent crime rate went down 72%.

You don't know what you are talking about.....

Over the last 26 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Violent crime is down globally and it`s not because the nuts in this country that owned a dozen guns bought a dozen more.
Why violent crime is plummeting in the rich world

Bzzzzzz....wrong answer.

The anti-gun theory and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.

So your argument wasn't that crime goes up, crime goes down....your theory, your argument is More Guns (regardless of any other factors) = More Gun Crime

Whatever the crime rate does......as more Americans owned more guns the crime rate did not go up....so again...

The exact opposite of your theory happened....in science that means your theory is wrong.

 

[August West]

The increase in gun sales were to the people who already owned guns. Half of the estimated 265 million guns are owned by the nutty 3% who spent their welfare money on guns when a black man moved into the Whitehouse.
Survey: Half the Guns in America Are Owned by 3% of the Population

 

[danielpalos]

Only the unorganized militia whines about gun control.

 

[Polishprince]

As more Americans owned and carried guns over the last 26 years our gun murder rate went down 49%, fact. Our gun crime rate went down 75%, fact. Our violent crime rate went down 72%, fact.

Horseshit.

Guns in the United States — Firearms, gun law and gun control

Gun homicides went from 9800 in 9257 in 1998 to 14,542 in 2017. That's a 50% INCREASE.

Moron....you have seen the PEW research.....from the 1990s to today, 26 years, as more americans own and carry guns, our gun murder rate went down 49%......our gun crime rate went down 75% and our violent crime rate went down 72%.

You don't know what you are talking about.....

Over the last 26 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Violent crime is down globally and it`s not because the nuts in this country that owned a dozen guns bought a dozen more.
Why violent crime is plummeting in the rich world

Bzzzzzz....wrong answer.

The anti-gun theory and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.

So your argument wasn't that crime goes up, crime goes down....your theory, your argument is More Guns (regardless of any other factors) = More Gun Crime

Whatever the crime rate does......as more Americans owned more guns the crime rate did not go up....so again...

The exact opposite of your theory happened....in science that means your theory is wrong.

What libs fail to realize is that criminals really aren't looking for a fight.

If they think someone is armed, they will pass them up and look for an easier patsy to rob, rape or maim.

Very few police officers in uniform are robbed at gunpoint, its virtually unheard of. And Made Men with the La Cosa Nostra are very rarely stuck up. Criminal look for others, and even if the cop is leaving the bank after cashing his paycheck or the Mafia goon is leaving a card game with his money, the criminal will take a pass.

 

[JoeB131]

Criminals don't buy their weapons through legitimate markets. They buy their guns from independent merchants in the backrooms of bars or selling out of the trunk of their cars. People that do no criminal checks whatsoever.

Then how come every time we have a mass shooting incident, we almost always find out that the person was able to walk into a gun store and buy a gun legally?

 

[JoeB131]

What libs fail to realize is that criminals really aren't looking for a fight.

If they think someone is armed, they will pass them up and look for an easier patsy to rob, rape or maim.

Very few police officers in uniform are robbed at gunpoint, its virtually unheard of. And Made Men with the La Cosa Nostra are very rarely stuck up. Criminal look for others, and even if the cop is leaving the bank after cashing his paycheck or the Mafia goon is leaving a card game with his money, the criminal will take a pass.

Most gun murders are domestic violence, not hardened criminals...

 

[JoeB131]

Moron....Britain had a low gun murder rate before they banned guns...

they banned guns....

Gun murder rate did not change other than to spike for 10 years before returning to same level...

That means, according to science, that gun ownership did not cause gun murder.....

Britain had a low gun murder rate because even when guns were legal, very few people owned them. They didn't need them.

Meanwhile in the US you had the gun industry, when it realized people weren't into hunting anymore, started marketing guns to the nuttiest people in the country, telling them that Obama was going to take their guns, they'd better stock up.

So we went from 9800 gun murders in 1998 to 14500 in 2017

 

[Polishprince]

Criminals don't buy their weapons through legitimate markets. They buy their guns from independent merchants in the backrooms of bars or selling out of the trunk of their cars. People that do no criminal checks whatsoever.

Then how come every time we have a mass shooting incident, we almost always find out that the person was able to walk into a gun store and buy a gun legally?

That's really not true.

The gentleman who allegedly shot up the Sandy Hook school in Connecticut STOLE his weapons.

The guys who shot up Paris France a few years ago, same thing, they were not in possession of legal firearms.

Illegal firearms are no less dangerous than their legal counterparts.


I'm a senior citizen. If a young thug were to come up to me with bad intent, I need to have a weapon to equalize the situation. And the older I get, the more its necessary.

Do you really expect old people just to stay locked in their homes 24/7 like prisoners? Like they are in places like Chicago?

 

[Polishprince]

Moron....Britain had a low gun murder rate before they banned guns...

they banned guns....

Gun murder rate did not change other than to spike for 10 years before returning to same level...

That means, according to science, that gun ownership did not cause gun murder.....

Britain had a low gun murder rate because even when guns were legal, very few people owned them. They didn't need them.

Meanwhile in the US you had the gun industry, when it realized people weren't into hunting anymore, started marketing guns to the nuttiest people in the country, telling them that Obama was going to take their guns, they'd better stock up.

So we went from 9800 gun murders in 1998 to 14500 in 2017

America is nothing like Britain. We get most of our immigrants from places like Mexico and Congo.

And both of those places have sky high murder rates as well as draconian gun control.

 

[JoeB131]

That's really not true.

The gentleman who allegedly shot up the Sandy Hook school in Connecticut STOLE his weapons.

No, he took his weapons from his crazy mother, who took him to a gun range and showed him how to use them.

 

[danielpalos]

Moron....Britain had a low gun murder rate before they banned guns...

they banned guns....

Gun murder rate did not change other than to spike for 10 years before returning to same level...

That means, according to science, that gun ownership did not cause gun murder.....

Britain had a low gun murder rate because even when guns were legal, very few people owned them. They didn't need them.

Meanwhile in the US you had the gun industry, when it realized people weren't into hunting anymore, started marketing guns to the nuttiest people in the country, telling them that Obama was going to take their guns, they'd better stock up.

So we went from 9800 gun murders in 1998 to 14500 in 2017

America is nothing like Britain. We get most of our immigrants from places like Mexico and Congo.

And both of those places have sky high murder rates as well as draconian gun control.

Thanks to our useless and alleged, war on drugs.

 

[2aguy]

The increase in gun sales were to the people who already owned guns. Half of the estimated 265 million guns are owned by the nutty 3% who spent their welfare money on guns when a black man moved into the Whitehouse.
Survey: Half the Guns in America Are Owned by 3% of the Population

Bzzzz....wrong again. We have growth in gun ownership in minority and female demographics.

And again....Bzzzzz....wrong answer.

The theory and argument that you asshats make and cling to......

More Guns = More Gun Crime (regardless of ownership)

More people buy guns over the last 26 years.....

gun murder down 49%
gun crime down 75%
violent crime down 72%

Your theory.... More guns = more gun crime......the exact opposite happens.

In actual science...when a theory states one thing, and the exact opposite happens.....the theory is wrong. That is how science works.

 

[2aguy]

Criminals don't buy their weapons through legitimate markets. They buy their guns from independent merchants in the backrooms of bars or selling out of the trunk of their cars. People that do no criminal checks whatsoever.

Then how come every time we have a mass shooting incident, we almost always find out that the person was able to walk into a gun store and buy a gun legally?

Because....asshat......they did not commit any other crime before the mass shooting and hence, did not have a criminal background which would stop them from buying a gun.....

That would be all 12 of them in 2018..... out of millions of legal gun owners who don't commit any crime of any kind with their guns.

 

[2aguy]

What libs fail to realize is that criminals really aren't looking for a fight.

If they think someone is armed, they will pass them up and look for an easier patsy to rob, rape or maim.

Very few police officers in uniform are robbed at gunpoint, its virtually unheard of. And Made Men with the La Cosa Nostra are very rarely stuck up. Criminal look for others, and even if the cop is leaving the bank after cashing his paycheck or the Mafia goon is leaving a card game with his money, the criminal will take a pass.

Most gun murders are domestic violence, not hardened criminals...

Most domestic murders are criminals killing their baby mommas or family members.....and they can't legally own guns in the first place.

 

[Dick Foster]

Yawn, here's the problem, 2TinyGuy.

The NRA is based on scaring people like you into thinking they are coming for your guns, even though there hasn't been any serious attempts at common sense gun control since the 1990's.

Now that the market has been saturated, all the gun merchants have huge amounts of inventory they can't scare people into buying.

Ironically, these guys all lived large when Obama was in.... but now gun sales are down, contributions are down, and people are starting to look at the NRA for what it is, a scam.

There is no such thing as common sense gun control. Not according to the second amendment. That is unless you have no comprehension of the English language.

 

[2aguy]

Moron....Britain had a low gun murder rate before they banned guns...

they banned guns....

Gun murder rate did not change other than to spike for 10 years before returning to same level...

That means, according to science, that gun ownership did not cause gun murder.....

Britain had a low gun murder rate because even when guns were legal, very few people owned them. They didn't need them.

Meanwhile in the US you had the gun industry, when it realized people weren't into hunting anymore, started marketing guns to the nuttiest people in the country, telling them that Obama was going to take their guns, they'd better stock up.

So we went from 9800 gun murders in 1998 to 14500 in 2017

Bzzzzzz...wrong answer.

Again, your theory....

More Guns = More Gun Crime

Britain had access to guns before they banned them.....they had low gun crime, low gun murder.

They banned guns, the gun murder rate spiked for 10 years then returned to the same level...

Your Theory again....

More guns = More Gun Crime

Guns Banned creates no change? That means banning guns for law abiding gun owners had no effect on gun crime.

When your theory states one thing, and you implement your theory, and nothing changes....in science, that means your theory is wrong...

 

[2aguy]

Moron....Britain had a low gun murder rate before they banned guns...

they banned guns....

Gun murder rate did not change other than to spike for 10 years before returning to same level...

That means, according to science, that gun ownership did not cause gun murder.....

Britain had a low gun murder rate because even when guns were legal, very few people owned them. They didn't need them.

Meanwhile in the US you had the gun industry, when it realized people weren't into hunting anymore, started marketing guns to the nuttiest people in the country, telling them that Obama was going to take their guns, they'd better stock up.

So we went from 9800 gun murders in 1998 to 14500 in 2017

So we went from 9800 gun murders in 1998 to 14500 in 2017


Bzzzzzz.....wrong answer...

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8



gun murder rate 1997 -2000


1997..... 10,729 ( Population, 272.9 million)
1998..... 9,257
1999..... 8,480
2000..... 8,493
2001..... 8,719
2002... 9,369
2003.... 9,638
2004..... 9,385
2005.... 10,158
2006.... 10,225
2007 10,129
2008-- 9,528
2009-- 9,199
2010- 8,874
2011-- 8,653
2012-- 8,897
2013-- 8,454
2014-- 8,312
2015--9,616
2016--11,004
2017--10,982 (Population 325. 7 million)