The NRA is still in the fight for our Rights against Black Face wearing Governor....

[JoeB131]

The Supreme Court ruled on this already. It’s a right of the people.

Our “sick fetish”? Schools had rifle teams & kids used to bring their weapons to school to go hunting after/before class & no one batted an eye. We have lock down drills & active shooters now because of a break down in societal morals, not because of people exercising their rights.

Um, I'm 57 and I never remember being a school rifle team where kids were walking about armed.

 

[Polishprince]

The Supreme Court ruled on this already. It’s a right of the people.

Our “sick fetish”? Schools had rifle teams & kids used to bring their weapons to school to go hunting after/before class & no one batted an eye. We have lock down drills & active shooters now because of a break down in societal morals, not because of people exercising their rights.

Um, I'm 57 and I never remember being a school rifle team where kids were walking about armed.

Does it really matter , joe? I am few years older, and we weren't taught to shoot either.

But the big innocent a couple of weeks ago at the Washington Hilton where a group of tourists were beat, stomped and spat upon by a group of young thugs tells me that being armed in America's dangerous cities isn't just a good idea, its virtually mandatory if you want to avoid being a victim.

And that's where the libs tried to get Trump to go for the WH Correspondents Dinner? LOL, President Trump is no fool

 

[2aguy]

The Supreme Court ruled on this already. It’s a right of the people.

Our “sick fetish”? Schools had rifle teams & kids used to bring their weapons to school to go hunting after/before class & no one batted an eye. We have lock down drills & active shooters now because of a break down in societal morals, not because of people exercising their rights.

Um, I'm 57 and I never remember being a school rifle team where kids were walking about armed.

Does it really matter , joe? I am few years older, and we weren't taught to shoot either.

But the big innocent a couple of weeks ago at the Washington Hilton where a group of tourists were beat, stomped and spat upon by a group of young thugs tells me that being armed in America's dangerous cities isn't just a good idea, its virtually mandatory if you want to avoid being a victim.

And that's where the libs tried to get Trump to go for the WH Correspondents Dinner? LOL, President Trump is no fool

Avoid democrat controlled voting districts and you are as safe or safer than anywhere in Europe....more safe since you can actually carry a gun in most other places.

 

[JoeB131]

But the big innocent a couple of weeks ago at the Washington Hilton where a group of tourists were beat, stomped and spat upon by a group of young thugs tells me that being armed in America's dangerous cities isn't just a good idea, its virtually mandatory if you want to avoid being a victim.

If guns prevented crime, we'd have the lowest crime rates in the industrial world, not the highest.

 

[2aguy]

But the big innocent a couple of weeks ago at the Washington Hilton where a group of tourists were beat, stomped and spat upon by a group of young thugs tells me that being armed in America's dangerous cities isn't just a good idea, its virtually mandatory if you want to avoid being a victim.

If guns prevented crime, we'd have the lowest crime rates in the industrial world, not the highest.

As more Americans owned and carried guns over the last 26 years our gun murder rate went down 49%, fact. Our gun crime rate went down 75%, fact. Our violent crime rate went down 72%, fact.

Your theory is that more guns = more gun crime....those facts show the opposite, more guns did not equal more gun crime....in science, when a theory produces the exact opposite outcome, that theory is known to be wrong....

You are wrong.

 

[Polishprince]

But the big innocent a couple of weeks ago at the Washington Hilton where a group of tourists were beat, stomped and spat upon by a group of young thugs tells me that being armed in America's dangerous cities isn't just a good idea, its virtually mandatory if you want to avoid being a victim.

If guns prevented crime, we'd have the lowest crime rates in the industrial world, not the highest.

Actually, America's crime rates are much lower than many countries with much more draconian gun control we have- places like Mexico

 

[2aguy]

But the big innocent a couple of weeks ago at the Washington Hilton where a group of tourists were beat, stomped and spat upon by a group of young thugs tells me that being armed in America's dangerous cities isn't just a good idea, its virtually mandatory if you want to avoid being a victim.

If guns prevented crime, we'd have the lowest crime rates in the industrial world, not the highest.

Actually, America's crime rates are much lower than many countries with much more draconian gun control we have- places like Mexico

Yep......over 35,000 murders....not suicide mixed with murder......murder.....just last year....

They have absolute gun control. There is one gun store, it is controlled by the military and you need special permission to get access to it. Meanwhile, the drug cartels get their guns and military hardware from around the world including Russia, Europe and China...

Mexico’s Murder Rate Hit Record High in 2018

 

[Polishprince]

But the big innocent a couple of weeks ago at the Washington Hilton where a group of tourists were beat, stomped and spat upon by a group of young thugs tells me that being armed in America's dangerous cities isn't just a good idea, its virtually mandatory if you want to avoid being a victim.

If guns prevented crime, we'd have the lowest crime rates in the industrial world, not the highest.

Actually, America's crime rates are much lower than many countries with much more draconian gun control we have- places like Mexico

Yep......over 35,000 murders....not suicide mixed with murder......murder.....just last year....

They have absolute gun control. There is one gun store, it is controlled by the military and you need special permission to get access to it. Meanwhile, the drug cartels get their guns and military hardware from around the world including Russia, Europe and China...

Mexico’s Murder Rate Hit Record High in 2018

I think its also important to realize that Mexico is America's #1 source of immigrants and Spanish is the uncontested 2nd most popular language spoken in America. We have a lot more in common with Mexico than we do with the crowned heads of Europe, which have their own problems.

 

[danielpalos]

The NRA is still in the fight against gun grabbing democrats....including the Black Face wearing, racist democrat Governor.....

Reports of the Death of the NRA Have Evidently Been Greatly Exaggerated - The Truth About Guns

This is exactly why it’s so important for the NRA to clean its own house. As we’ve said dozens of times, the protection and expansion of responsible firearms ownership in this country is served by a healthy, well-run, effective National Rifle Association.

The NRA’s status in American politics has seemed in doubt amid multimillion-dollar shortfalls in the organization’s budget, an ongoing investigation into its tax-exempt status by New York’s attorney general and allegations that the group has been manipulated by Russian influence-peddlers. Earlier this year its president, Oliver North, was forced out of office in a leadership tussle with chief executive Wayne LaPierre.


But this week’s events in Richmond showed that the organization continues to wield significant influence at the grass-roots level. Its legions of members – the group does not release figures but said it has “hundreds of thousands” in Virginia – are reliable voters who show up even during off-year elections.

Backed by those foot soldiers, NRA officials enjoy access to top politicians. Virginia GOP leaders spent weeks before the special session in frequent communication with NRA experts, who provided guidance and research on how gun-control measures had fared in other states, according to several people familiar with the interactions.

While Democrats were stunned by the way the GOP leadership shut down the special legislative session, the NRA knew about the move ahead of some rank-and-file Republicans.

We have a Second Amendment and should have no security problems in our free States.

It is federal doctrine and federal policy. Only the right wing, never gets it.

 

[JoeB131]

As more Americans owned and carried guns over the last 26 years our gun murder rate went down 49%, fact. Our gun crime rate went down 75%, fact. Our violent crime rate went down 72%, fact.

Horseshit.

Guns in the United States — Firearms, gun law and gun control

Gun homicides went from 9800 in 9257 in 1998 to 14,542 in 2017. That's a 50% INCREASE.

 

[JoeB131]

Yep......over 35,000 murders....not suicide mixed with murder......murder.....just last year....

They have absolute gun control. There is one gun store, it is controlled by the military and you need special permission to get access to it. Meanwhile, the drug cartels get their guns and military hardware from around the world including Russia, Europe and China...

Actually, they get their guns from Gun stores in the US. And when they caught that POS Tamboroosi trying to smuggle guns into the country, we whined that the poor dear was a veteran and we should let him go.

 

[2aguy]

As more Americans owned and carried guns over the last 26 years our gun murder rate went down 49%, fact. Our gun crime rate went down 75%, fact. Our violent crime rate went down 72%, fact.

Horseshit.

Guns in the United States — Firearms, gun law and gun control

Gun homicides went from 9800 in 9257 in 1998 to 14,542 in 2017. That's a 50% INCREASE.

Moron....you have seen the PEW research.....from the 1990s to today, 26 years, as more americans own and carry guns, our gun murder rate went down 49%......our gun crime rate went down 75% and our violent crime rate went down 72%.

You don't know what you are talking about.....

Over the last 26 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[2aguy]

Yep......over 35,000 murders....not suicide mixed with murder......murder.....just last year....

They have absolute gun control. There is one gun store, it is controlled by the military and you need special permission to get access to it. Meanwhile, the drug cartels get their guns and military hardware from around the world including Russia, Europe and China...

Actually, they get their guns from Gun stores in the US. And when they caught that POS Tamboroosi trying to smuggle guns into the country, we whined that the poor dear was a veteran and we should let him go.

No, moron...the fully automatic rifles they get from the Mexican military who gets them from the U.S. government as well as AKs from China and Europe as well as the other actual military grade weapons they use.

 

[2aguy]

Yep......over 35,000 murders....not suicide mixed with murder......murder.....just last year....

They have absolute gun control. There is one gun store, it is controlled by the military and you need special permission to get access to it. Meanwhile, the drug cartels get their guns and military hardware from around the world including Russia, Europe and China...

Actually, they get their guns from Gun stores in the US. And when they caught that POS Tamboroosi trying to smuggle guns into the country, we whined that the poor dear was a veteran and we should let him go.

The cartels are also now making their own guns in their own factories...some of them right across our border...

EXCLUSIVE -- PHOTOS: Mexican Cartel Improves Weapons Manufacturing Capabilities

Intelligence reports indicate that one of Mexico’s most dangerous cartels continues to increase their capabilities by manufacturing weapons. The arms are built in clandestine factories with advanced technology and practices.
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To maintain their growing power, CJNG is building clandestine arms factories in Colima and Jalisco, specializing in assault rifles. The weapons are clones of the popular AR-15 rifles and AK-47s in .223cal, 7.62x39mm, and .308cal. The weapons can be identified by their lacking factory markings and serial numbers. Additionally, some of the arms are metallic in color since some factories do not apply the matte finish to protect from rust.

 

[JoeB131]

Moron....you have seen the PEW research.....

I see the bullshit you put on here, but the fact is, the murder rate has gotten worse since the 1990's, not better.

No, moron...the fully automatic rifles they get from the Mexican military who gets them from the U.S. government as well as AKs from China and Europe as well as the other actual military grade weapons they use.

Mexico's American Gun Problem

More than 33,000 people were murdered in Mexico last year, an all-time high. The police chief of Tijuana, Mexico’s most violent city, told KPBS “nearly all” of the more than 2,000 weapons seized in the city since 2016 were American-made: AK-47s, AR-15s, Glocks and more.

“We know those weapons come from the U.S. because in Mexico there’s no way for people to buy them,” Marco Antonio Sotomayor said in Spanish. “They buy them in places like Arizona, Nevada, because of the weak gun laws, and at gun shows. And they come through California and cross the border into Tijuana.”

 

[Polishprince]

Moron....you have seen the PEW research.....

I see the bullshit you put on here, but the fact is, the murder rate has gotten worse since the 1990's, not better.

No, moron...the fully automatic rifles they get from the Mexican military who gets them from the U.S. government as well as AKs from China and Europe as well as the other actual military grade weapons they use.

Mexico's American Gun Problem

More than 33,000 people were murdered in Mexico last year, an all-time high. The police chief of Tijuana, Mexico’s most violent city, told KPBS “nearly all” of the more than 2,000 weapons seized in the city since 2016 were American-made: AK-47s, AR-15s, Glocks and more.

“We know those weapons come from the U.S. because in Mexico there’s no way for people to buy them,” Marco Antonio Sotomayor said in Spanish. “They buy them in places like Arizona, Nevada, because of the weak gun laws, and at gun shows. And they come through California and cross the border into Tijuana.”

Maybe Mexico needs to build a wall on the border if they are concerned about people smuggling firearms?

Mexican customs can give body cavity searches to anyone entering their realm.

 

[JoeB131]

Maybe Mexico needs to build a wall on the border if they are concerned about people smuggling firearms?

Mexican customs can give body cavity searches to anyone entering their realm.

Just as dumb as us trying to build a wall to keep people out.

 

[2aguy]

Moron....you have seen the PEW research.....

I see the bullshit you put on here, but the fact is, the murder rate has gotten worse since the 1990's, not better.

No, moron...the fully automatic rifles they get from the Mexican military who gets them from the U.S. government as well as AKs from China and Europe as well as the other actual military grade weapons they use.

Mexico's American Gun Problem

More than 33,000 people were murdered in Mexico last year, an all-time high. The police chief of Tijuana, Mexico’s most violent city, told KPBS “nearly all” of the more than 2,000 weapons seized in the city since 2016 were American-made: AK-47s, AR-15s, Glocks and more.

“We know those weapons come from the U.S. because in Mexico there’s no way for people to buy them,” Marco Antonio Sotomayor said in Spanish. “They buy them in places like Arizona, Nevada, because of the weak gun laws, and at gun shows. And they come through California and cross the border into Tijuana.”

And he is lying.....you know he is lying when he says the way they know is that there is no way for people in Mexico to buy them.....which is a joke considering criminals easily get guns even in Britain.......

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...n-control-laws-a-model-for-the-united-states/


Whatever the exact percentage, it is incorrect to assert that purchases from American gun stores for the purposes of smuggling into Mexico are the prime source of American guns in Mexico. To the contrary, of the Mexican guns that are successfully traced to the U.S., the average firearms age is fifteen years, according to data compiled by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms & Explosives. The age of these guns is strong evidence that they were legal American guns that were stolen and then sold into the black market–and not guns which were bought at a gun store as part of a plan for them to be immediately transported to Mexico.

Mexico's Gun Supply and the 90 Percent Myth

Type 3: Guns Not Available for Civilian Purchase in Mexico or the U.S.
The third category of weapons encountered in Mexico is military-grade ordnance not generally available for sale in the United States or Mexico. This category includes hand grenades, 40 mm grenades, rocket-propelled grenades (RPGs), automatic assault rifles and main battle rifles and light machine guns.

This third type of weapon is fairly difficult and very expensive to obtain in the United States, especially in the large numbers in which the cartels are employing them. They are also dangerous to obtain in the United States due to heavy law enforcement scrutiny. Therefore, most of the military ordnance used by the Mexican cartels comes from other sources, such as the international arms market — increasingly from China via the same networks that furnish precursor chemicals for narcotics manufacturing — or from corrupt elements in the Mexican military or even deserters who take their weapons with them. Besides, items such as South Korean fragmentation grenades and RPG-7s, often used by the cartels, simply are not in the U.S. arsenal. This means that very few of the weapons in this category come from the United States.

In recent years the cartels, especially their enforcer groups such as Los Zetas, Gente Nueva and La Linea, have been increasingly using military weaponry instead of sporting arms. A close examination of the arms seized from the enforcer groups and their training camps clearly demonstrates this trend toward military ordnance, including many weapons not readily available in the United States. Some of these seizures have included M60 machine guns and hundreds of 40 mm grenades obtained from the military arsenals of countries like Guatemala.

But Guatemala is not the only source of such weapons. Latin America is awash in weapons that were shipped there over the past several decades to supply the various insurgencies and counterinsurgencies in the region. When these military-grade weapons are combined with the rampant corruption in the region, they quickly find their way into the black arms market. The Mexican cartels have supply-chain contacts that help move narcotics to Mexico from South America, and they are able to use this same network to obtain guns from the black market in South and Central America and then smuggle them into Mexico. While there are many weapons in this category that were manufactured in the United States, the overwhelming majority of the U.S.-manufactured weapons of this third type encountered in Mexico — like LAW rockets and M60 machine guns — come into Mexico from third countries and not directly from the United States.

 

[JoeB131]

And he is lying.....you know he is lying when he says the way they know is that there is no way for people in Mexico to buy them.....which is a joke considering criminals easily get guns even in Britain.......

Britain only has about 50 gun murders a year compared to our 14,500.

It's not that easy to get a gun.

Come on, guy, apply a little logic. If you can drive north and buy any fucking gun you want and then drive south and sell it at a profit, there's the path of least resistance.

Or do you think it's a co-incidence that fireworks are illegal in IL, but there are all these fireworks stores in Wisconsin and Indiana right on the border?

 

[Polishprince]

And he is lying.....you know he is lying when he says the way they know is that there is no way for people in Mexico to buy them.....which is a joke considering criminals easily get guns even in Britain.......

Britain only has about 50 gun murders a year compared to our 14,500.

It's not that easy to get a gun.

Come on, guy, apply a little logic. If you can drive north and buy any fucking gun you want and then drive south and sell it at a profit, there's the path of least resistance.

Or do you think it's a co-incidence that fireworks are illegal in IL, but there are all these fireworks stores in Wisconsin and Indiana right on the border?

Criminals don't buy their weapons through legitimate markets. They buy their guns from independent merchants in the backrooms of bars or selling out of the trunk of their cars. People that do no criminal checks whatsoever.