The Nordic model is widely regarded as a benchmark.

[Wyatt earp]

No thanks.

the EVILs of SOCIALISM......
bob is a conservative
he makes 75k a year
and he only pays 10k in taxes because he is married with 3 children and gets BIG TAX BREAKS!
bob LOVES football!
bob can afford season tickets for his family to their favorite team because bob gets BIG TAX BREAKS for his family.
so bob takes his family on socialist built roads to the stadium...
the brand new stadium....
built with TAX PAYERS DOLLARS!.....
the SOCIALIST stadium!
and even better....Bob didn't pay for the stadium at all because of his BIG TAX BREAKS!
So bob gets to drive on roads built with the taxes of other people to stadiums built with the taxes of other people to see his favorite team play because he has season tickets which he can afford because he gets BIG TAX BREAKS for being married with 3 kids....
Apparently, being conservative, bob HATES the idea of HIS taxes being used for OTHER people (even though he doesn't pay much) but he LIKES the idea of paying LOW taxes while OTHER PEOPLE pay MUCH MORE for HIS BENEFIT!....
is bob a hypocritical arsehole?

Steve is a gay liberal democrat.
He makes 75k a year.
but he isn't allowed to marry or have kids (bob won't let him).....
so Steve pays 30k in taxes and gets NO TAX BREAKS!
Steve doesn't like football...
so it doesn't bother him that he can't afford to buy season tickets for himself.
and he never thinks about the fact that HE is paying EXTRA TAXES while Bob is paying MUCH LESS!

and THAT explains the EVILS of SOCIALISM.
you are welcome
donations accepted.

What country do you live in?

Here in America a right wing supreme Court made gay marriage legal


.

 

[boedicca]

Liberal socialism is a socialist political philosophy that incorporates liberal principles. Liberal socialismdoes not have the goal of completely abolishing capitalism and replacing it with socialism, but it instead supports a mixed economy that includes both private property and social ownership in capital goods.

Oh Jeebus. Another one. Did your handlers instruct you to post this propaganda?

Facts:
- Nordic countries are highly homogenous, consisting of people whose cultures developed under incredibly harsh environmental and scarcity conditions.
- They developed highly cooperative tribal groups to survive.
- This cooperation predates anything resembling Liberal Socialism.
- They are capitalists, with some of the profits diverted to welfare programs.
- Norway is a special case given their profits from North Sea Oil.

To take these specialized cases as examples that Socialism is the way to go in bonkers. Applying "Liberal" to Socialism doesn't make it any less Authoritarian and anti-Human.

if you are against authoritarianism why do you support conservatives and evangelicals.?

Do you still beat your dog?

If you are truly interested in learning about the effects of Real Authoritarians, read up at this link:

DEATH BY GOVERNMENT: GENOCIDE AND MASS MURDER

trump endorsed roy moore.
roy moore believes HIS religion should be the source of law in the USA.
roy moore believe that gays and atheists have NO RIGHTS in CHRISTIAN USA!
in fact, he wants to criminalize them and have them rounded up......and (to save on tax dollars).......executed for the crime of being gay or atheist.....

would you call THAT authoritarian?

Here in America people have the right to believe whatever they want, even if others find it offensive. Moore was not in any way a Dictator for Life who executed or imprisoned gays and atheists. Opinions are not Harm.

So, you lose again.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Liberal socialism is a socialist political philosophy that incorporates liberal principles. Liberal socialismdoes not have the goal of completely abolishing capitalism and replacing it with socialism, but it instead supports a mixed economy that includes both private property and social ownership in capital goods.

Oh Jeebus. Another one. Did your handlers instruct you to post this propaganda?

Facts:
- Nordic countries are highly homogenous, consisting of people whose cultures developed under incredibly harsh environmental and scarcity conditions.
- They developed highly cooperative tribal groups to survive.
- This cooperation predates anything resembling Liberal Socialism.
- They are capitalists, with some of the profits diverted to welfare programs.
- Norway is a special case given their profits from North Sea Oil.

To take these specialized cases as examples that Socialism is the way to go in bonkers. Applying "Liberal" to Socialism doesn't make it any less Authoritarian and anti-Human.

if you are against authoritarianism why do you support conservatives and evangelicals.?

Do you still beat your dog?

If you are truly interested in learning about the effects of Real Authoritarians, read up at this link:

DEATH BY GOVERNMENT: GENOCIDE AND MASS MURDER

trump endorsed roy moore.
roy moore believes HIS religion should be the source of law in the USA.
roy moore believe that gays and atheists have NO RIGHTS in CHRISTIAN USA!
in fact, he wants to criminalize them and have them rounded up......and (to save on tax dollars).......executed for the crime of being gay or atheist.....

would you call THAT authoritarian?

How does Moore a private citizen today do that?


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[bripat9643]

Liberal socialism is a socialist political philosophy that incorporates liberal principles. Liberal socialismdoes not have the goal of completely abolishing capitalism and replacing it with socialism, but it instead supports a mixed economy that includes both private property and social ownership in capital goods.

Oh Jeebus. Another one. Did your handlers instruct you to post this propaganda?

Facts:
- Nordic countries are highly homogenous, consisting of people whose cultures developed under incredibly harsh environmental and scarcity conditions.
- They developed highly cooperative tribal groups to survive.
- This cooperation predates anything resembling Liberal Socialism.
- They are capitalists, with some of the profits diverted to welfare programs.
- Norway is a special case given their profits from North Sea Oil.

To take these specialized cases as examples that Socialism is the way to go in bonkers. Applying "Liberal" to Socialism doesn't make it any less Authoritarian and anti-Human.

if you are against authoritarianism why do you support conservatives and evangelicals.?

Do you still beat your dog?

If you are truly interested in learning about the effects of Real Authoritarians, read up at this link:

DEATH BY GOVERNMENT: GENOCIDE AND MASS MURDER

trump endorsed roy moore.
roy moore believes HIS religion should be the source of law in the USA.
roy moore believe that gays and atheists have NO RIGHTS in CHRISTIAN USA!
in fact, he wants to criminalize them and have them rounded up......and (to save on tax dollars).......executed for the crime of being gay or atheist.....

would you call THAT authoritarian?

Can you quote Roy Moore saying that? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

I didn't think so.

 

[dblack]

If you can't see that I posted the REAL WORLD then your brain is more defective than I realized and there is no hope for you.....sad....pathetic.....

are you unaware of the fact that workers with families get tax breaks?

are you incapable of understanding that a person with NO FAMILY pays MORE in taxes?

If you hate socialism then why do want tax breaks for families?

THAT IS SOCIALISM!

single people paying more while people with families pay less.....SOCIALISM!

It would seem to me that anyone who opposed all forms of socialism would NOT want tax breaks for....families....or..anything.....

Some of us don't - for exactly the reasons you raise here. The games our government plays with the tax code are wrong and need to be abolished

Have you enjoyed driving on the roads we all graciously paid to have built for you?

There's a radical difference between a clearly defined 'commons', and broad government control of the means of production. We have, with very high consensus and Constitutional backing, designated certain 'optional' social services to be provided by government - roads, schools, fire departments, etc... That's a far cry from putting government in charge of major industry.

So you can shelve that line of debate. The US is not a socialist nation. Admittedly, there have always been people who would like to change that, but I think it would be a terrible idea, for the reasons I noted earlier.

 

[beagle9]

No thanks.

the EVILs of SOCIALISM......
bob is a conservative
he makes 75k a year
and he only pays 10k in taxes because he is married with 3 children and gets BIG TAX BREAKS!
bob LOVES football!
bob can afford season tickets for his family to their favorite team because bob gets BIG TAX BREAKS for his family.
so bob takes his family on socialist built roads to the stadium...
the brand new stadium....
built with TAX PAYERS DOLLARS!.....
the SOCIALIST stadium!
and even better....Bob didn't pay for the stadium at all because of his BIG TAX BREAKS!
So bob gets to drive on roads built with the taxes of other people to stadiums built with the taxes of other people to see his favorite team play because he has season tickets which he can afford because he gets BIG TAX BREAKS for being married with 3 kids....
Apparently, being conservative, bob HATES the idea of HIS taxes being used for OTHER people (even though he doesn't pay much) but he LIKES the idea of paying LOW taxes while OTHER PEOPLE pay MUCH MORE for HIS BENEFIT!....
is bob a hypocritical arsehole?

Steve is a gay liberal democrat.
He makes 75k a year.
but he isn't allowed to marry or have kids (bob won't let him).....
so Steve pays 30k in taxes and gets NO TAX BREAKS!
Steve doesn't like football...
so it doesn't bother him that he can't afford to buy season tickets for himself.
and he never thinks about the fact that HE is paying EXTRA TAXES while Bob is paying MUCH LESS!

and THAT explains the EVILS of SOCIALISM.
you are welcome
donations accepted.

So sad.

You don't understand anything about the real world, do you Slick?

If you can't see that I posted the REAL WORLD then your brain is more defective than I realized and there is no hope for you.....sad....pathetic.....

are you unaware of the fact that workers with families get tax breaks?

are you incapable of understanding that a person with NO FAMILY pays MORE in taxes?

If you hate socialism then why do want tax breaks for families?

THAT IS SOCIALISM!

single people paying more while people with families pay less.....SOCIALISM!

It would seem to me that anyone who opposed all forms of socialism would NOT want tax breaks for....families....or..anything.....

Have you enjoyed driving on the roads we all graciously paid to have built for you?

Who is this we that paid for the roads that I drive on ???? As someone else said here, I paid those taxes also for the roads etc that I use, and so yes I expect the usage of the roads etc like anyone else. Where it all goes wrong is when the socialist government goes corrupt, and it begins funneling off my tax dollars for other socialist programs that causes the roads that I depend on to become unsafe, riddled with pot holes, and completely collapsing. Next when I want to voice my opinion about the socialism gone corrupt that has led to such a thing, well of course I am laughed at by the socialist powers in charge, as if to say to me "go sit down peasant", you are nobody to us.

Now in a system that has more American citizens empowered with wealth on whole within it, then it gives the system the checks and balances needed to challenge the systems when ever it is needed, and to actually get better results and outcomes most of the time.

A socialist or communist government is an absolute no for this country, and in reality it has gone way to far as it is.

 

[Thinker101]

No thanks.

the EVILs of SOCIALISM......
bob is a conservative
he makes 75k a year
and he only pays 10k in taxes because he is married with 3 children and gets BIG TAX BREAKS!
bob LOVES football!
bob can afford season tickets for his family to their favorite team because bob gets BIG TAX BREAKS for his family.
so bob takes his family on socialist built roads to the stadium...
the brand new stadium....
built with TAX PAYERS DOLLARS!.....
the SOCIALIST stadium!
and even better....Bob didn't pay for the stadium at all because of his BIG TAX BREAKS!
So bob gets to drive on roads built with the taxes of other people to stadiums built with the taxes of other people to see his favorite team play because he has season tickets which he can afford because he gets BIG TAX BREAKS for being married with 3 kids....
Apparently, being conservative, bob HATES the idea of HIS taxes being used for OTHER people (even though he doesn't pay much) but he LIKES the idea of paying LOW taxes while OTHER PEOPLE pay MUCH MORE for HIS BENEFIT!....
is bob a hypocritical arsehole?

Steve is a gay liberal democrat.
He makes 75k a year.
but he isn't allowed to marry or have kids (bob won't let him).....
so Steve pays 30k in taxes and gets NO TAX BREAKS!
Steve doesn't like football...
so it doesn't bother him that he can't afford to buy season tickets for himself.
and he never thinks about the fact that HE is paying EXTRA TAXES while Bob is paying MUCH LESS!

and THAT explains the EVILS of SOCIALISM.
you are welcome
donations accepted.

So sad.

You don't understand anything about the real world, do you Slick?

If you can't see that I posted the REAL WORLD then your brain is more defective than I realized and there is no hope for you.....sad....pathetic.....

are you unaware of the fact that workers with families get tax breaks?

are you incapable of understanding that a person with NO FAMILY pays MORE in taxes?

If you hate socialism then why do want tax breaks for families?

THAT IS SOCIALISM!

single people paying more while people with families pay less.....SOCIALISM!

It would seem to me that anyone who opposed all forms of socialism would NOT want tax breaks for....families....or..anything.....

Have you enjoyed driving on the roads we all graciously paid to have built for you?

Well if that's the case, then it's about time "we" maintain those fricken roads.

 

[beagle9]

No thanks.

the EVILs of SOCIALISM......
bob is a conservative
he makes 75k a year
and he only pays 10k in taxes because he is married with 3 children and gets BIG TAX BREAKS!
bob LOVES football!
bob can afford season tickets for his family to their favorite team because bob gets BIG TAX BREAKS for his family.
so bob takes his family on socialist built roads to the stadium...
the brand new stadium....
built with TAX PAYERS DOLLARS!.....
the SOCIALIST stadium!
and even better....Bob didn't pay for the stadium at all because of his BIG TAX BREAKS!
So bob gets to drive on roads built with the taxes of other people to stadiums built with the taxes of other people to see his favorite team play because he has season tickets which he can afford because he gets BIG TAX BREAKS for being married with 3 kids....
Apparently, being conservative, bob HATES the idea of HIS taxes being used for OTHER people (even though he doesn't pay much) but he LIKES the idea of paying LOW taxes while OTHER PEOPLE pay MUCH MORE for HIS BENEFIT!....
is bob a hypocritical arsehole?

Steve is a gay liberal democrat.
He makes 75k a year.
but he isn't allowed to marry or have kids (bob won't let him).....
so Steve pays 30k in taxes and gets NO TAX BREAKS!
Steve doesn't like football...
so it doesn't bother him that he can't afford to buy season tickets for himself.
and he never thinks about the fact that HE is paying EXTRA TAXES while Bob is paying MUCH LESS!

and THAT explains the EVILS of SOCIALISM.
you are welcome
donations accepted.

So sad.

You don't understand anything about the real world, do you Slick?

If you can't see that I posted the REAL WORLD then your brain is more defective than I realized and there is no hope for you.....sad....pathetic.....

are you unaware of the fact that workers with families get tax breaks?

are you incapable of understanding that a person with NO FAMILY pays MORE in taxes?

If you hate socialism then why do want tax breaks for families?

THAT IS SOCIALISM!

single people paying more while people with families pay less.....SOCIALISM!

It would seem to me that anyone who opposed all forms of socialism would NOT want tax breaks for....families....or..anything.....

Have you enjoyed driving on the roads we all graciously paid to have built for you?

Well if that's the case, then it's about time "we" maintain those fricken roads.

Yep, but you know just like with the socialist security run retirement system, that the funds are stolen, and then funneld in ways that support other leftist liberal causes that creates terminal dependency, and teriminal exploding birth rates within these baby making factories (government run apt. Complexes), that work to keep the Demon-crats in future voters and power for as long as they can keep running the scams and schemes on us.

 

[Brain357]

For the Nordic countries it’s a great deal. Better healthcare, free college, retirement...

Try to get a free refill of or free water in those countries...



Nope not buying your argument.



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You are more interested in a free refill than healthcare or education? That is funny.

Uhm because they are not free? A free refill is free, I can sit at McDonald's all day long getting free WiFi and free cokes can I do that there?


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You pay for it in your taxes. Healthcare is better and costs less than here. The Nordic model seems to work very well.

How is health care better then the best hospitals in the world here? I never heard of them living years longer then we do


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Too many people can't afford it.

 

[Brain357]

You are more interested in a free refill than healthcare or education? That is funny.

Uhm because they are not free? A free refill is free, I can sit at McDonald's all day long getting free WiFi and free cokes can I do that there?


.

You pay for it in your taxes. Healthcare is better and costs less than here. The Nordic model seems to work very well.

Their healthcare isn't better. The survival rate for cancer is much better here than in Europe.

They don't go broke when they get sick.

Neither do people here who have insurance.

Insurance doesn't pay what it used to.

 

[sakinago]

So a system based on free market economics works. What a surprise. If the Nordic countries are on the same level of economic freedom as the US, with higher tax rates and a lower standard of living...I think all the evidence we need is right there, right in front of our eyes. Why don’t we look to a country that’s scores top 3 in absolutely every single category one can think of for as long as we have measured such things for inspiration? That seems logical right? That country being Switzerland: economic freedom top 3, standard of living top 3, overall citizen happiness top 3, healthcare top 3, education top 3, safety, top 3, name a category, the Swiss are up there. They’re obviously doing something right. Why is it we want to lower our standard of living, when we have a clear cut example of what actually works, and has worked for a long ass time, and is actually what we’re partially based offf of?

Why is it Bernie can point to Nordic countries, who operate on free market economics, and then trash the free markets and propose policies that even the Nordic countries push away with a 10 foot pole because they’d cost triple the amount of money that’s actually circulating the globe within a decade. The Nordic countries are NOT democratic socialist countries. They have social progams larger is scale than our social programs, they are also just as economically free as we are, if not freeer. No where near what Bernie calls for.

What’s wrong with looking to the Swiss for inspiration, on what’s proven to work? They’ve been doing it for 500 years. Something is going right for them there.

Where do we find some Nazi gold to steal?

....right, because 500 million of rumored gold from 80 years ago explains why the Swiss have been in such good shape for like the past 300 years. They just handed it out to all their citizens and made a super duper pinkie promise not too tell anyone else. We know where that gold went, it went to Argentina. There’s whole cities over there where they all speak German, they look pristine German towns before WWII, have shrines to their nazi grandparents. It’s bizarre but they’re real, almost like someone enlarged a snow globe of Frankfurt Germany circa 1936, and dropped it right on the side of a secluded South American mountain range, and filled it with a bunch of third Reich remnants. There’s like 15 or 20 of these towns, yea that sort of thing doesn’t happen without a lot of “capital”.

Swiss Acknowledge Profiting From Nazi Gold

And what is it the Swiss do you would mimic?

So the Swiss bank, a neutral country with banking policies that everyone knows about, did what all banks do, and made money off of capital they’ve received. They only made 20 million from the nazi bullion, and they received 500 million to start out with. And again, you’re implying that the banks shared that 20 million in profits with their citizens and government? Well if that’s the case, it just proves my point that they’re doing something right over there. They were so efficient with that 20 million, that they used it to propel them to the top 3 in every category. That’s just incredible. For any other modern 1st world country, 20 million is a water molecule in a bucket. Might be enough to fund a few school districts...maybe enough to fund the tiniest department they have in government. But it sounds like if you give the Swiss 40, 50, maybe even 60 million, they could make heaven on earth with that money.

That's how much they have admitted to so for. I thought it was all in Argentina?

Again, what are they doing we should mimic? Think we should all become bankers?

No, that was never the claim, nor did the Swiss ever hide the fact they did banking with the Nazis, like they do with a bunch of countries around them, just like Germany and hundreds of other countries do today...your claim was the Swiss are successful because of all that “Nazi” gold that they only saw a 4% return on. The conspiracy theory is (theory held by people who don’t understand banking), is that the Swiss are hiding gold confiscated from the Jews. Right...because all the thousands of Nazis who ran to South America, stopped in Switzerland, handed that gold to them out of the kindness of their heart, left to a new continent with nothing, and just happened to pull money out of thin air and have entire cities built for them in South America...that totally follows. Along with the fact that Swiss banks give all that gold/profits from gold back to the people and government out of the kindness of their heart, and that explains why the Swiss are doing so well.

Our government and constitution drew much of their inspiration from the Swiss Republic. We’re basically a combination of the Swiss Republic, and Lenape Indians (I think, it’s one of the Indian tribes). And no, the Swiss aren’t all bankers, gotta love these strawman, reductionist arguments. The banking industry in Switzerland only makes up 5% of national GDP. Do a lot of countries like to bank with the Swiss, yes, because they’re a neutral country that your not going to have to worry about holding your assets hostage for whatever international political reasons (the same reason so many international and scientific bodies want to operate there). Do their banks operate like how movies portray them, as totally anonymous and taking funds from questionable sources left and right? NO, that’s a silly myth. Do they have bank account with shady characters, sure they do, but what bank doesn’t? If apparently clean money comes to you, you take it as a bank. We caught major US banks literally laundering money for drug cartels, something that the Swiss banks don’t do, yet people like to believe what they see in bond movies over reality.

What the Swiss offer is extremely small federal government, more localized control, about the freest markets you’ll see in a country (not city state like Hong Kong or Singapore), low government spending, even lower taxes, and social/legal code that basically says don’t hurt or steal from other people, other than that, have at it. What’s argued as a downside to the Swiss republic, is a mandatory military service of 2 years for 18 year old males. But if you live in a neutral country, that’ll never go to war unless invaded, that’s not at all a big deal. And they’re ready for any invasion, since you keep your fully automatic assault rifle after your mandatory service, and can walk down the street with it on your shoulder when grabbing a cup of coffee. So believe it or not, small government, with more localized control, low taxes, free markets, and an armed citizenry, just happens to make you the overall happiest country, highest standard of living, best education system, best healthcare system, safest country, low crime, with the most stable economy humanity has ever seen. So, are you still going to rely on old cheesy bond movies to get your education on the Swiss?

 

[BuckToothMoron]

A number of comparative studies of economic and social performance have ranked the Nordics high. A common finding of cross-country comparisons is that the Nordics succeed better than other countries in combining economic efficiency and growth with a peaceful labour market, a fair distribution of income and social cohesion. The model is pointed to as a source of inspiration for other people in their search for a better social and economic system. On the other hand, many observers around the world are amazed that “the bumble-bee can fly” – that the Nordic economies can prosper and grow in spite of the presumably weak economic incentives associated with high tax wedges, a generous social security system and an egalitarian distribution of income. Critics have been looking for inner contradictions in the model and they have questioned its sustainability. Some argue that the economic performance of the Nordic countries is simply a result of exceptional and temporary advantages, bound to disappear over time. This report deals with the Nordic model, the reasons why it has worked in the past, and the challenges it is being subjected to in the future. Present economic and social trends, including globalization and demographic change, pose significant challenges to the model as we know it. The model will remain viable and successful only if the challenges and the need for reform are understood – and if action is taken. THE NORDIC MODEL Embracing globalization and sharing risks Torben M. Andersen, Bengt Holmström, Seppo Honkapohja, Sixten Korkman, Hans Tson Söderström, Juhana Vartiainen



https://economics.mit.edu/files/5726

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I as a conservative and in favor of duplicating the Nordic model.....exactly. Let’s see, it looks like the first step in duplicating the model is to arrange ourselves into small groups of 5-10 million people. Wait....like our states. Then those small groups develop their own version of the Nordic models. See ya BOcare, Social Security, unemployment, department of education, etc. Those are all huge FEDRAL programs that are inefficient with so many people, just ask the Nordics.

 

[Brain357]

Where do we find some Nazi gold to steal?

....right, because 500 million of rumored gold from 80 years ago explains why the Swiss have been in such good shape for like the past 300 years. They just handed it out to all their citizens and made a super duper pinkie promise not too tell anyone else. We know where that gold went, it went to Argentina. There’s whole cities over there where they all speak German, they look pristine German towns before WWII, have shrines to their nazi grandparents. It’s bizarre but they’re real, almost like someone enlarged a snow globe of Frankfurt Germany circa 1936, and dropped it right on the side of a secluded South American mountain range, and filled it with a bunch of third Reich remnants. There’s like 15 or 20 of these towns, yea that sort of thing doesn’t happen without a lot of “capital”.

Swiss Acknowledge Profiting From Nazi Gold

And what is it the Swiss do you would mimic?

So the Swiss bank, a neutral country with banking policies that everyone knows about, did what all banks do, and made money off of capital they’ve received. They only made 20 million from the nazi bullion, and they received 500 million to start out with. And again, you’re implying that the banks shared that 20 million in profits with their citizens and government? Well if that’s the case, it just proves my point that they’re doing something right over there. They were so efficient with that 20 million, that they used it to propel them to the top 3 in every category. That’s just incredible. For any other modern 1st world country, 20 million is a water molecule in a bucket. Might be enough to fund a few school districts...maybe enough to fund the tiniest department they have in government. But it sounds like if you give the Swiss 40, 50, maybe even 60 million, they could make heaven on earth with that money.

That's how much they have admitted to so for. I thought it was all in Argentina?

Again, what are they doing we should mimic? Think we should all become bankers?

No, that was never the claim, nor did the Swiss ever hide the fact they did banking with the Nazis, like they do with a bunch of countries around them, just like Germany and hundreds of other countries do today...your claim was the Swiss are successful because of all that “Nazi” gold that they only saw a 4% return on. The conspiracy theory is (theory held by people who don’t understand banking), is that the Swiss are hiding gold confiscated from the Jews. Right...because all the thousands of Nazis who ran to South America, stopped in Switzerland, handed that gold to them out of the kindness of their heart, left to a new continent with nothing, and just happened to pull money out of thin air and have entire cities built for them in South America...that totally follows. Along with the fact that Swiss banks give all that gold/profits from gold back to the people and government out of the kindness of their heart, and that explains why the Swiss are doing so well.

Our government and constitution drew much of their inspiration from the Swiss Republic. We’re basically a combination of the Swiss Republic, and Lenape Indians (I think, it’s one of the Indian tribes). And no, the Swiss aren’t all bankers, gotta love these strawman, reductionist arguments. The banking industry in Switzerland only makes up 5% of national GDP. Do a lot of countries like to bank with the Swiss, yes, because they’re a neutral country that your not going to have to worry about holding your assets hostage for whatever international political reasons (the same reason so many international and scientific bodies want to operate there). Do their banks operate like how movies portray them, as totally anonymous and taking funds from questionable sources left and right? NO, that’s a silly myth. Do they have bank account with shady characters, sure they do, but what bank doesn’t? If apparently clean money comes to you, you take it as a bank. We caught major US banks literally laundering money for drug cartels, something that the Swiss banks don’t do, yet people like to believe what they see in bond movies over reality.

What the Swiss offer is extremely small federal government, more localized control, about the freest markets you’ll see in a country (not city state like Hong Kong or Singapore), low government spending, even lower taxes, and social/legal code that basically says don’t hurt or steal from other people, other than that, have at it. What’s argued as a downside to the Swiss republic, is a mandatory military service of 2 years for 18 year old males. But if you live in a neutral country, that’ll never go to war unless invaded, that’s not at all a big deal. And they’re ready for any invasion, since you keep your fully automatic assault rifle after your mandatory service, and can walk down the street with it on your shoulder when grabbing a cup of coffee. So believe it or not, small government, with more localized control, low taxes, free markets, and an armed citizenry, just happens to make you the overall happiest country, highest standard of living, best education system, best healthcare system, safest country, low crime, with the most stable economy humanity has ever seen. So, are you still going to rely on old cheesy bond movies to get your education on the Swiss?

They have stronger gun control than we do.

You have a link to back up what your saying for review?

 

[sakinago]

....right, because 500 million of rumored gold from 80 years ago explains why the Swiss have been in such good shape for like the past 300 years. They just handed it out to all their citizens and made a super duper pinkie promise not too tell anyone else. We know where that gold went, it went to Argentina. There’s whole cities over there where they all speak German, they look pristine German towns before WWII, have shrines to their nazi grandparents. It’s bizarre but they’re real, almost like someone enlarged a snow globe of Frankfurt Germany circa 1936, and dropped it right on the side of a secluded South American mountain range, and filled it with a bunch of third Reich remnants. There’s like 15 or 20 of these towns, yea that sort of thing doesn’t happen without a lot of “capital”.

Swiss Acknowledge Profiting From Nazi Gold

And what is it the Swiss do you would mimic?

So the Swiss bank, a neutral country with banking policies that everyone knows about, did what all banks do, and made money off of capital they’ve received. They only made 20 million from the nazi bullion, and they received 500 million to start out with. And again, you’re implying that the banks shared that 20 million in profits with their citizens and government? Well if that’s the case, it just proves my point that they’re doing something right over there. They were so efficient with that 20 million, that they used it to propel them to the top 3 in every category. That’s just incredible. For any other modern 1st world country, 20 million is a water molecule in a bucket. Might be enough to fund a few school districts...maybe enough to fund the tiniest department they have in government. But it sounds like if you give the Swiss 40, 50, maybe even 60 million, they could make heaven on earth with that money.

That's how much they have admitted to so for. I thought it was all in Argentina?

Again, what are they doing we should mimic? Think we should all become bankers?

No, that was never the claim, nor did the Swiss ever hide the fact they did banking with the Nazis, like they do with a bunch of countries around them, just like Germany and hundreds of other countries do today...your claim was the Swiss are successful because of all that “Nazi” gold that they only saw a 4% return on. The conspiracy theory is (theory held by people who don’t understand banking), is that the Swiss are hiding gold confiscated from the Jews. Right...because all the thousands of Nazis who ran to South America, stopped in Switzerland, handed that gold to them out of the kindness of their heart, left to a new continent with nothing, and just happened to pull money out of thin air and have entire cities built for them in South America...that totally follows. Along with the fact that Swiss banks give all that gold/profits from gold back to the people and government out of the kindness of their heart, and that explains why the Swiss are doing so well.

Our government and constitution drew much of their inspiration from the Swiss Republic. We’re basically a combination of the Swiss Republic, and Lenape Indians (I think, it’s one of the Indian tribes). And no, the Swiss aren’t all bankers, gotta love these strawman, reductionist arguments. The banking industry in Switzerland only makes up 5% of national GDP. Do a lot of countries like to bank with the Swiss, yes, because they’re a neutral country that your not going to have to worry about holding your assets hostage for whatever international political reasons (the same reason so many international and scientific bodies want to operate there). Do their banks operate like how movies portray them, as totally anonymous and taking funds from questionable sources left and right? NO, that’s a silly myth. Do they have bank account with shady characters, sure they do, but what bank doesn’t? If apparently clean money comes to you, you take it as a bank. We caught major US banks literally laundering money for drug cartels, something that the Swiss banks don’t do, yet people like to believe what they see in bond movies over reality.

What the Swiss offer is extremely small federal government, more localized control, about the freest markets you’ll see in a country (not city state like Hong Kong or Singapore), low government spending, even lower taxes, and social/legal code that basically says don’t hurt or steal from other people, other than that, have at it. What’s argued as a downside to the Swiss republic, is a mandatory military service of 2 years for 18 year old males. But if you live in a neutral country, that’ll never go to war unless invaded, that’s not at all a big deal. And they’re ready for any invasion, since you keep your fully automatic assault rifle after your mandatory service, and can walk down the street with it on your shoulder when grabbing a cup of coffee. So believe it or not, small government, with more localized control, low taxes, free markets, and an armed citizenry, just happens to make you the overall happiest country, highest standard of living, best education system, best healthcare system, safest country, low crime, with the most stable economy humanity has ever seen. So, are you still going to rely on old cheesy bond movies to get your education on the Swiss?

They have stronger gun control than we do.

You have a link to back up what your saying for review?

Right...because essientially GIVING all your men a fully automatic assault rifle is about as restrictive a gun law there is. In America all these “assault style” weapons (that are only semi automatic) are apparently the problem, but the Swiss prove otherwise. Do they have gun laws, yes, do they matter all that much if you got a sig 550 sitting in your umbrella holder that the government gave you? No.

And no, I don’t have to do shit. You’re high if you think I’m going to satisfy appeals to ignorance in this day and age with essientially all of human knowledge accessible in the palm of your hand, from the likes of someone who’d actually post on a public message board something as stupid as “the Swiss are only successful because they’re all bankers...and nazi gold.” Then, they don’t back those claims up in the slightest, and then have the gall to demand that I back my claims up. Again, you’re high, and I’m not wasting my time on people who can’t have intellectually honest conversations.

 

[beagle9]

Did the title of this thread change ? Wasn't the words socialist or socialism in the thread title ?

 

[Brain357]

Swiss Acknowledge Profiting From Nazi Gold

And what is it the Swiss do you would mimic?

So the Swiss bank, a neutral country with banking policies that everyone knows about, did what all banks do, and made money off of capital they’ve received. They only made 20 million from the nazi bullion, and they received 500 million to start out with. And again, you’re implying that the banks shared that 20 million in profits with their citizens and government? Well if that’s the case, it just proves my point that they’re doing something right over there. They were so efficient with that 20 million, that they used it to propel them to the top 3 in every category. That’s just incredible. For any other modern 1st world country, 20 million is a water molecule in a bucket. Might be enough to fund a few school districts...maybe enough to fund the tiniest department they have in government. But it sounds like if you give the Swiss 40, 50, maybe even 60 million, they could make heaven on earth with that money.

That's how much they have admitted to so for. I thought it was all in Argentina?

Again, what are they doing we should mimic? Think we should all become bankers?

No, that was never the claim, nor did the Swiss ever hide the fact they did banking with the Nazis, like they do with a bunch of countries around them, just like Germany and hundreds of other countries do today...your claim was the Swiss are successful because of all that “Nazi” gold that they only saw a 4% return on. The conspiracy theory is (theory held by people who don’t understand banking), is that the Swiss are hiding gold confiscated from the Jews. Right...because all the thousands of Nazis who ran to South America, stopped in Switzerland, handed that gold to them out of the kindness of their heart, left to a new continent with nothing, and just happened to pull money out of thin air and have entire cities built for them in South America...that totally follows. Along with the fact that Swiss banks give all that gold/profits from gold back to the people and government out of the kindness of their heart, and that explains why the Swiss are doing so well.

Our government and constitution drew much of their inspiration from the Swiss Republic. We’re basically a combination of the Swiss Republic, and Lenape Indians (I think, it’s one of the Indian tribes). And no, the Swiss aren’t all bankers, gotta love these strawman, reductionist arguments. The banking industry in Switzerland only makes up 5% of national GDP. Do a lot of countries like to bank with the Swiss, yes, because they’re a neutral country that your not going to have to worry about holding your assets hostage for whatever international political reasons (the same reason so many international and scientific bodies want to operate there). Do their banks operate like how movies portray them, as totally anonymous and taking funds from questionable sources left and right? NO, that’s a silly myth. Do they have bank account with shady characters, sure they do, but what bank doesn’t? If apparently clean money comes to you, you take it as a bank. We caught major US banks literally laundering money for drug cartels, something that the Swiss banks don’t do, yet people like to believe what they see in bond movies over reality.

What the Swiss offer is extremely small federal government, more localized control, about the freest markets you’ll see in a country (not city state like Hong Kong or Singapore), low government spending, even lower taxes, and social/legal code that basically says don’t hurt or steal from other people, other than that, have at it. What’s argued as a downside to the Swiss republic, is a mandatory military service of 2 years for 18 year old males. But if you live in a neutral country, that’ll never go to war unless invaded, that’s not at all a big deal. And they’re ready for any invasion, since you keep your fully automatic assault rifle after your mandatory service, and can walk down the street with it on your shoulder when grabbing a cup of coffee. So believe it or not, small government, with more localized control, low taxes, free markets, and an armed citizenry, just happens to make you the overall happiest country, highest standard of living, best education system, best healthcare system, safest country, low crime, with the most stable economy humanity has ever seen. So, are you still going to rely on old cheesy bond movies to get your education on the Swiss?

They have stronger gun control than we do.

You have a link to back up what your saying for review?

Right...because essientially GIVING all your men a fully automatic assault rifle is about as restrictive a gun law there is. In America all these “assault style” weapons (that are only semi automatic) are apparently the problem, but the Swiss prove otherwise. Do they have gun laws, yes, do they matter all that much if you got a sig 550 sitting in your umbrella holder that the government gave you? No.

And no, I don’t have to do shit. You’re high if you think I’m going to satisfy appeals to ignorance in this day and age with essientially all of human knowledge accessible in the palm of your hand, from the likes of someone who’d actually post on a public message board something as stupid as “the Swiss are only successful because they’re all bankers...and nazi gold.” Then, they don’t back those claims up in the slightest, and then have the gall to demand that I back my claims up. Again, you’re high, and I’m not wasting my time on people who can’t have intellectually honest conversations.

I don't want to get too far off topic, but just to prove again you don't know what you are talking about:
And differences with the US don’t end at cultural ones. In Switzerland, regulations have become much more stringent since the free-wheeling days before a Weapons Act was put into place in 1999. And they have steadily tightened over the past 15 years. Military guns, once given to members after their service and passed down for generations, can now only be acquired after service with a firearms acquisition license. Since 2007, army-issued ammunition cannot be kept at home. A gun under the bed for self-protection? Impossible in Switzerland.

Loaded guns, whether military or for sport, cannot be carried on the streets here without a special permit which is rarely issued. Because of conscription, the Swiss are highly trained in weapons handling and storage. As he drives away from the shooting range Sunday, Mr. Steffen says he would never want the right to transport his army rifle loaded. “No, no,” he says, “that is crazy. For us, guns are for sport, and protection of our country, only.”

Switzerland has lots of guns. But its gun culture takes different path from US.

You must not believe the swiss model if you won't provide any links of support. Not surprised.

 

[dblack]

Uhm because they are not free? A free refill is free, I can sit at McDonald's all day long getting free WiFi and free cokes can I do that there?


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You pay for it in your taxes. Healthcare is better and costs less than here. The Nordic model seems to work very well.

Their healthcare isn't better. The survival rate for cancer is much better here than in Europe.

They don't go broke when they get sick.

Neither do people here who have insurance.

Insurance doesn't pay what it used to.

You never wanna join a pyramid scheme late in the game.

 

[Brain357]

 

[dblack]

Where is the persuasive part?

 

[Brain357]

Where is the persuasive part?

The part where they actually get something for their tax dollars.